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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
On March 16 2010 10:31 sidesprang wrote: from the nights events its very likely that both incognito and BC are pro-town, as they were the first who voted for him. So that is good news town. . maybe they are both mafia and decided to kill their own inactive member to gain credibility | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On March 16 2010 10:16 Versatile wrote: zona- do the math. if BC (plus town) doesn't find a mafia member by day 4, worse case scenario, where the medics don't prevent any hits and we lynch a town member every day, we're 11 v 5. that's 6 successful mafia hits in 3 nights, and 3 towny lynches. now imagine BC is mafia. a DT who hasn't found a red for 3 days, that's not completely impossible, right? that's 11 vs 7 votes, and since when has the town ever voted to together as one? Just because we hold off on BC for now doesn't mean we can't search for other mafia. If we as a town can't identify any mafia other than possibly BC, we're screwed anyways. Also, 3 DT checks have a 43% chance of failing to find even one red if town lynches wrong and medics don't prevent any hits, and BC should be doing better than just random checks. Actually, I might as well post my thoughts on possibly revealing information even if our claimed mayor DT only finds greens and blues. The power of a private town circle is to discuss with each other their thoughts without being worried about mafia interference, as well as reduce the pool of players they need to consider when looking for mafia, increasing their likelihood of being correct. They can also vote together, which helps reduce the risk of isolated town votes being overwhelmed by mafia ones. The risk of revealing the circle is to have it broken and its advantages lost. The mafia will kill two town members every night (lucky medics and bus drivers notwithstanding), but would rather kill confirmed town members rather than nonconfirmed because confirmed town members help the town narrow down suspects and drive the discussion. So this is the argument against revealing the town circle. However, if BC supposedly is able to assemble a town circle while not being able to find mafia, the town should definitely become supremely suspicious (when he can't find mafia). Then perhaps the advantages of the BC-centric town circle revealing itself partially or completely (NOT THEIR ROLES, just the fact that BC has checked and confirmed them) may outweigh the disadvantages. The loss of the town circle advantages are significant, but it's even more significant to deal with the suspicion around the mayor, especially if he turns out to be a mafia, and thus could never bring himself to sacrifice one of their own to boost his credibility. Note that I'm not entirely convinced that the above plan is the way to go, but I do want to throw it out there. I do want to note that if BC really was an authentic DT mayor - the mafia would definitely want to try to get him lynched. It's incredibly difficult for them to kill him at night and will take some time before they can kill him through that route. | ||
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Versatile
United States396 Posts
that's bullshit. guess what? the mafia already knows who is town and who is mafia. this is not new information to them, but it is to us, the town. if you are a DT, and you found a green person, let us know so we don't, among other things, LYNCH THEM BY ACCIDENT. mafia's weakness: numbers. our weakness: information. so keeping things a secret is not useful to the town. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
Also, check these pms. "(Their Response  Original Message:Hmm ok, but why did you pm me this instead of posting in thread? We need more thread discussion ----------------------------------------- (FROM ME Original Message:i agree with you that they're not active, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're mafia. Neither does the fact that they're better players. the list is randomized. i feel like malongo is mafia, though. take into consideration i have usually been wrong in the past. i just feel like he has been acting relatively scummy this game." after this person told me to post in the thread, i did that post on 24 to bring heat on people who were acting scummy. malongo was my candidate to lynch. why would i lynch someone on my own team? I wouldn't. i'm obviously not red. that being said, there is no reason why i'm not involved in any town circles | ||
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Versatile
United States396 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
i think versatile is completely right on revealing who BC checked. even if you found a blue, just say in the thread he is green | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On March 16 2010 10:31 Versatile wrote: ummm, no @ BM. i agree with whoever said malongo being red was luck. he wasn't even playing. as for our next lynch target: town, if you don't recognize that someone between BC, L and incog is mafia, i will once again have to refer to the collective as a bunch of dingbats. clearly, something is not adding up. at least one of them is mafia. and if we lynch one of them, we're guaranteed a red popping up. my suggestion would be BC. and if incog threatens to pardon, we should kill incog first. Are you serious? BC and incog are the two of the last people I would suspect to be mafia. they both suspected Malongo, and even got a lot of people to vote for him. I would suspect those who voted for abenson after BC changed his vote to Malongo. That means they were trying to make sure Abenson gets lynched so Malongo could be saved. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
On March 16 2010 10:40 Bill Murray wrote: I've been saying malongo for days............ we get it good job finding out malongo even though it was kind of lucky | ||
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Versatile
United States396 Posts
On March 16 2010 10:39 l10f wrote: Are you serious? BC and incog are the two of the last people I would suspect to be mafia. they both suspected Malongo, and even got a lot of people to vote for him. I would suspect those who voted for abenson after BC changed his vote to Malongo. That means they were trying to make sure Abenson gets lynched so Malongo could be saved. lmao. is this your first time playing? or are you that slow? way to paint yourself. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
Original Message: i just felt like malongo on that page was doing that chainsaw.. like if you attack L i'll attack you is how i felt about that.. it was like a pre-chainsaw warning. i felt like it was a scumtell, but i wanted to discuss it with an established veteran. i'm gonna go catch up on the thread right now. " | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On March 16 2010 10:34 Versatile wrote: also BC. wth is this trash about, "oh i found a townie, but i'm not releasing their name"? that's bullshit. guess what? the mafia already knows who is town and who is mafia. this is not new information to them, but it is to us, the town. if you are a DT, and you found a green person, let us know so we don't, among other things, LYNCH THEM BY ACCIDENT. mafia's weakness: numbers. our weakness: information. so keeping things a secret is not useful to the town. -_-...I don't think BC would vote for someone he RC'd green. Do you? It'd be pretty obvious, and I can almost guarantee he would come to that persons defense. So let's not worry about him posting his RC, yet. I'd imagine the person he checked could step forth without BC anyway. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Versatile
United States396 Posts
On March 16 2010 10:45 ~OpZ~ wrote: -_-...I don't think BC would vote for someone he RC'd green. Do you? It'd be pretty obvious, and I can almost guarantee he would come to that persons defense. So let's not worry about him posting his RC, yet. I'd imagine the person he checked could step forth without BC anyway. oh really? so, let's say i don't trust BC. or even if i do, let's say i want to vote for someone different than who he voted for and i happen to vote for someone he "checked" and is towny; what's going to happen then? is he going to quote me and say, "oh...i wouldn't do that if i were youuuuuuuuuuuuuu!". and at that point, shouldn't he have come out and just told us any darn way? | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
On March 16 2010 10:50 Bill Murray wrote: OK keep the roleclaims coming people. wtf people? i hope you really aren't role claiming to him | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On March 16 2010 10:34 Versatile wrote: also BC. wth is this trash about, "oh i found a townie, but i'm not releasing their name"? that's bullshit. guess what? the mafia already knows who is town and who is mafia. this is not new information to them, but it is to us, the town. if you are a DT, and you found a green person, let us know so we don't, among other things, LYNCH THEM BY ACCIDENT. mafia's weakness: numbers. our weakness: information. so keeping things a secret is not useful to the town. The moment you go to lynch them I WILL TELL YOU SO. At the moment all I've cleared sadly for you are blues. I am not telling you who they are, and I have already confirmed I am in contact with a driver. You at the moment don't need to know more than that. You don't need to know who I am talking to at the moment either. This debate happened pages ago. It seems very interesting that the same people are pushing to get information on who I have cleared. If this was three days from now, when I have a larger list of people and takes time for the mafia to kill them all, possibly not a bad idea. Early on however means they can kill them faster than I can check. If they are green or blue is irrelevant. Soon as their name is down, mafia knows they are cleared. The fact you keep pushing this same idea is baffling. I get that you want me to prove my role, I do get it. By releasing a list of names for mafia to off however is insanely stupid. Your actions while challenging me are great. I do encourage the town to do so till I am proven, however, you constantly pushing for my death + publically giving all the information I have more implies that your not playing with the towns best interests at heart. Get off your high horse and stop demanding shit. DT info is fed via mouths, or in the case they get elected and proven (yes you can claim I'm not proven yet), they give what they can safely to town, and can give the rest to trusted confirms. | ||
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