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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On April 04 2012 14:54 Snarfs wrote: Cephiro, do you actually know something here? You use that word a lot. I know that syllogism is Evil. I am as certain as I can be that prplhz is Evil also. (But I cannot back this up to a modconfirmed extent yet.) | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 04 2012 14:15 Tobon wrote: If someone gets to the Item Box, are we informed publicly, or does only that toy get told? Uh I actually misread this a bit sorry. You won't know the item picked up unless it's a Refresher Orb, but you will know that the Item is picked up. You won't know who picked it up though. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
There is still a chance you're both green and risk is red. | ||
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Tobon
United States372 Posts
On April 04 2012 14:57 Cephiro wrote: I know that syllogism is Evil. I am as certain as I can be that prplhz is Evil also. (But I cannot back this up to a modconfirmed extent yet.) Are you claiming to have some alignment revealing power, then? And if so, how could you possibly have more powers that involve moving into the fire and then saving yourself and then also getting a scum kill? | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On April 04 2012 14:55 prplhz wrote: Cephiro, yes, you are tunneling. I don't really care if you're tunneling town (me) or scum (syllogism), it's still annoying for town and I'm not really worried about scum using a power to get you killed. 1. If you read my filter, you can see I am "tunneling" on cascades and Mattchew as well. I am sorry, I must have misunderstood what tunnelling means, all this time I've been thinking it is senseless accusing of one certain person only. Care to clarify this for me? 2. If you are town, why would you NOT CARE if someone is tunneling in your opinion, as it can be harmful for town? If you think I am town, why are you not worried about scum using a power to kill me? | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
I stand by my word though, I know syllogism is scum. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 04 2012 15:00 wherebugsgo wrote: syllo is not mod confirmed red because risk nuke has not flipped. There is still a chance you're both green and risk is red. risk.nuke being red is just pretty crazy, we saw the red light beacon and he is claiming a role from the first game. Unless scum were provided safe claims he could have been counter claimed in an instant and I don't think that scum would risk that. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Day 2 PoPs - Day 2 + Show Spoiler + Mr.Wiggles Bluelightz risk.nuke Dirkzor Mattchew Snarfs Pull Bluelightz Cephiro Tobon wherebugsgo Pull Bluelightz layabout syllogism Mr.Zentor prplhz Pull Bluelightz Acrofales Bill Murray cascades Nemesis 17 Toys alive, 5 Bad Toys remain. Day 2 ends on Friday April 6th @ 12:00 AM ET 04:00 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
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Tobon
United States372 Posts
##Pull Bluelightz | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
I'm sure others will weigh in on the plan so that if/when we go through with it we get a good idea which side everyone's on. | ||
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Tobon
United States372 Posts
On April 04 2012 15:27 Cephiro wrote: So, you up for initiating the plan to push me towards the incineration zone while waiting for others to arrive? Still not seeing the advantage of you doing this over just pushing scum, especially since you want to go to row 24, which requires lots more pushes. I'll sleep on it. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I'd like to use time to get more reads, rather than idly talk about things we've already been talking about. risk.nuke, layabout, Wiggles, Mattchew, and Bill Murray: I want you to do the bulk of the talking. Go. Tell us what you would like to do right now and who you would like to kill. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
Just don't roll your thumbs around for too long is all I ask. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18216 Posts
Gonna read the rest of the thread now. I understand it's dark (and full of terrors). I can obviously get behind the bluelightz pulling. I have to get to work, but when I get there I'll read the thread more carefully and decide what to do (probably pull bluelightz). | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18216 Posts
If he's scum and we send him up there he gets: 1. An item 2. To activate whatever dastardly ability he has that requires him to be in the incineration zone (if I let my imagination run wild I can think of quite a few rather nasty ones, such as increase the size of the incineration zone). Because it's dark, we won't even know what he's doing until it's too late. If he's town and we send him up there we get: 1. An item 2. To fulfill his masterplan of which we do not even know the rewards. Cephiro said that it helps town and probably gets Syllo killed. While I like the town rewards and could probably get behind a Syllo kill, the rewards for scum are unknown, but probably better. Given the, lets say 40% chance that Cephiro is scum, the risk is just way too high. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18216 Posts
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
I say push/pull those we find scummy and lets deal with it the direct way. I don't think the fact that BL used his ability makes him confirmed scum. It just means he plays differently then you would. I would never have used it but I can also see a town BL use it. I'll wait with my PoP's so far but I'll help with the BL pulling later if needed. I would like people to push Syllo. The fact that scum killed Palmar/Sbrubbles (or one of them) and not syllo is disturbing. Palmar had done shit all so killing him over Syllo makes no sense. I'm assuming Sbrubbles was a town hit becase the only reason I see scum killing Sbrubbles is if Syllo is indeed town. Risk's claim was/i believable even when poorly executed by him. People I also want to look at today are Zentor and Mattchew. Zentor have made 1 post after his comeback and that post sucked. I'll sum it it: - Recap of day 1 - Why? We all read it? - Don't waste PoP's today - We said that yesterday and people (you included) still did that. - Ceph, Sbrubbles and syllo = Atleast 1 scum, most likely Syllo. - So you agree with town? - Tobon looks suspicious. - You said you would make a case? Waiting... - Another lame excuse for not being able to post yesterday. - I hate people who excuse their absence. Mattchew is just a oneliner machine who follows whatever crazy plan anyone cooks up to appear to be helping town. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18216 Posts
I think Bluelightz is almost certainly scum, but I am far more interested in getting the whole Syllo/Cephiro/risk.nuke mess sorted out. Can we wait with the bluelightz pulls until we've figured out a plan for that? I'm still waiting for Cephiro to come up with a better explanation of why his plan benefits town (and as I explain below I am now actually very suspicious of him). Instead of his plan, I propose both Cephiro and Syllo get pulled off the bottom just to be sure. A 1:1 trade is generally good for town and the only chance it's not a 1:1 trade is if risk.nuke was lying, in which case he gets lynched tomorrow. I have gone over Syllo and Cephiro's filter with a comb. Lets start with Cephiro: I find his assertions of why his plan is townie increasingly scummy the more I look at them. He has a LOT of filler asserting that he's town and we should listen to him. Do I need to refer to the OP of jubjub mafia about why this is completely pointless posting? You can't prove your town by asserting it and the increased repetition is just making me suspicious: who are you trying to convince with this? You get in a bitch fight with Syllo, which serves NOBODY. We are all almost certain that one, or both of you are scum and you two squabbling over it is completely useless and just clogs up the thread. On to his reason for not revealing any details of the plan: On April 04 2012 14:24 Cephiro wrote: If I provide my full role and plan, then it is very likely to backfire. However, if we have enough townies to co-ordinate to do it swiftly, then I will do that if that's an absolute must. It's for the best of town if I do not, and I would claim right after. Okay, nobody wants the details of HOW it works, just WHAT it does and why that benefits more than just pushing Syllo (or actually, both of you) off the cliff. Your reluctance to say anything other than "it benefits town and will get Syllo dead" is not making me like your plan at all. Next, I don't understand how he is not afraid of the nullify thingy that got Palmar stuck up there and his explanation of why not seems extremely dubious: On April 04 2012 13:41 Cephiro wrote: Also, what do you others think about the nullify abillity? I have my reasons to believe it is very limited, at most 2-shot, most likely oneshot. If anyone can tell something about queue positions, you should come forth with the information as well, as I cannot see town getting hurt more than having a benefit of it. Pray tell us your "reasons to believe", oh enlightened one! Is it because it's a scum ability and this is a scumslip? He also seems in an incredible rush to get this to happen before people have time to think it through. In fact, the one redeeming quality is that, if he's scum, I would've expected other mafia to get this bandwagon going, but that's too much wifom for me. On to Syllo: yesterday I thought Sbrubbles was more likely to be scum than Syllo, but things have changed. Taken without what seems to be a serious scumslip by Cephiro, I would almost certainly label Syllo scum now that Sbrubbles flipped town. If we ignore, as he asks us to, his timing on the D1 PoPs, he has contributed a grand total of nothing to this thread. Some speculation on BM's roleclaim is the grand total of his scumhunting. Everything else is filler: he shows presence without actually doing anything useful. He has a somewhat useful dialogue with WBG, but it is only about why he isn't scum, no real contribution at all. Additionally, the same accusation of a giant bitchfight with Cephiro can be leveled at him: useless filler to pad his filter. My opinion: we pull both of them off the cliff to ensure no mistakes. A 1:1 trade is good for town and, given their postings, we might even have two mafia here. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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