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On January 23 2014 21:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 21:43 Tchado wrote:On January 23 2014 21:41 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow. not a fucking chance Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL. Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place.
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On January 23 2014 21:50 liberate71 wrote: Hang on - the GSL win is worth $65k now??
Yes it is, GOM decided to dump most of the money redistributed from seasonal finals right into the NR1 spot.
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On January 23 2014 21:49 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 21:46 Arthayze wrote:http://i.imgur.com/gmXwO.pngGraph of BW's victory rates between 2007 and 2011. While having no balance patch. Starcraft is a moving game, evolving with its players. So please, PLEASE, stop whining about whichever race has it good for the moment, it won't last and it makes you sound like bitches. Happily playing Zerg since 1999 show me the 7% part that's going on in GSL atm. I agree with P being overpowered but the 7% isn't representative for the whole population lol. Just as if you could say P is UP since T is winning more vs P in proleague atm... That's just generalizing
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On January 23 2014 21:51 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 21:50 liberate71 wrote: Hang on - the GSL win is worth $65k now?? Yeah they upped it for 2014 but it's really top heavy It's so top heavy that if you place anywhere below first place you get more money in AM/EU for that placement.
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On January 23 2014 21:51 Destructicon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 21:50 liberate71 wrote: Hang on - the GSL win is worth $65k now?? Yes it is, GOM decided to dump most of the money redistributed from seasonal finals right into the NR1 spot.
On January 23 2014 21:51 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 21:50 liberate71 wrote: Hang on - the GSL win is worth $65k now?? Yeah they upped it for 2014 but it's really top heavy
Yeah holy crap, 2nd is half what it was :|
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On January 23 2014 21:51 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 21:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 23 2014 21:43 Tchado wrote:On January 23 2014 21:41 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow. not a fucking chance Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL. Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place.
Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon.
No terran will advance tomorrow
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On January 23 2014 21:53 Tchado wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 21:51 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 23 2014 21:43 Tchado wrote:On January 23 2014 21:41 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow. not a fucking chance Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL. Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place. Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon. No terran will advance tomorrow Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ
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On January 23 2014 21:53 Tchado wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 21:51 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 23 2014 21:43 Tchado wrote:On January 23 2014 21:41 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow. not a fucking chance Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL. Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place. Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon. No terran will advance tomorrow
Its a two terran and two zerg, group and Ryung + Dream are solid competitors, while their opposition isn't as strong, they dodged Life, Curious, DRG and Symbol. Both Ryung and Dream have a huge shot, if we are fortunate we might get both in GSL.
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On January 23 2014 21:42 shadymmj wrote: i try to refrain from making balance comments, but doesn't anyone notice that all sora does is defend with warp ins, POs and frankly uncallable mind games such as if and when he will all-in, and then takes just one engagement to win? all the drops were deflected with ease despite sora's army not being in a good position, nor did he really scout them. hack was undoubtedly the more active player there.
So many of the Protoss TLers pan the games where Terrans lose as the Terran playing badly - without really explaining how. I think you raise some valid points - like sora's army positioning.
For my part, I do focus on where the Terran Pros could have done better - like positioning vikings over dead-space, utilizing flanks instead of getting choked in with your whole army in an uncomfortable position,etc.
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On January 23 2014 21:50 Destructicon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 21:46 Arthayze wrote:http://i.imgur.com/gmXwO.pngGraph of BW's victory rates between 2007 and 2011. While having no balance patch. Starcraft is a moving game, evolving with its players. So please, PLEASE, stop whining about whichever race has it good for the moment, it won't last and it makes you sound like bitches. Happily playing Zerg since 1999 Irrelevant, totally different games and times. Player base was smaller then it is now, information sharing wasn't as developed and the very way the game plays and functions is radically different.
Yeah, couldn't agree more here, Macro mechanics in BW are also way more similar to each other without warp-in and inject... And with the frequent patching of SC2 in the past they already changed A LOT of things (quite a chunk of them unnecessary, I feel), so I think, there are certain aspects that need to be adressed and there's just no way of waiting until the game develops and players figure out stuff by themselves (I mean, look at TvP, what's left for Terran to check out?! Since 2010?!)
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On January 23 2014 21:45 NovaMB wrote:PvT 29–10 (74.36%) 1-14 in boX (7.14%)
Just checked all the GSLs in all the matchups... If this stays that way, its going to be the most onesided matchup in the history of GSL. Worse than Z>P in GSL Open Season 2, T>P GSL Jan 2011, P>Z Jan 2011 (all breaking the 70%).
And with only 3 Terrans in, I doubt that we will see so enough TvPs for those stats to change to less than 65%.
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On January 23 2014 21:54 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 21:53 Tchado wrote:On January 23 2014 21:51 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 23 2014 21:43 Tchado wrote:On January 23 2014 21:41 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow. not a fucking chance Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL. Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place. Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon. No terran will advance tomorrow Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ
since almost every Terran has switched to mech TvZ now we really can't tell how good those Terrans will play. I think the results are really unpredictable for tomorrow since we have mostly seen bio from those guys and they have to play a completely different style now
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On January 23 2014 21:59 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 21:54 Shellshock wrote:On January 23 2014 21:53 Tchado wrote:On January 23 2014 21:51 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 23 2014 21:43 Tchado wrote:On January 23 2014 21:41 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow. not a fucking chance Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL. Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place. Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon. No terran will advance tomorrow Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ since almost every Terran has switched to mech TvZ now we really can't tell how good those Terrans will play. I think the results are really unpredictable for tomorrow since we have mostly seen bio from those guys and they have to play a completely different style now That's true. I guess I didn't think about the changes in playstyle and some of these guys we haven't really seen too much since WCS ended last year
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On January 23 2014 21:58 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 21:45 NovaMB wrote:PvT 29–10 (74.36%) 1-14 in boX (7.14%) Just checked all the GSLs in all the matchups... If this stays that way, its going to be the most onesided matchup in the history of GSL. Worse than Z>P in GSL Open Season 2, T>P GSL Jan 2011, P>Z Jan 2011 (all breaking the 70%). And with only 3 Terrans in, I doubt that we will see so enough TvPs for those stats to change to less than 65%. Also Maru could end up vs a few Zs and one strong P
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On January 23 2014 21:54 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 21:53 Tchado wrote:On January 23 2014 21:51 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 23 2014 21:43 Tchado wrote:On January 23 2014 21:41 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow. not a fucking chance Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL. Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place. Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon. No terran will advance tomorrow Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ
Havnt seen a lot from Hydra, but i'd say Ryung only advances if he manages to somehow get Dream in a TvT for a spot. Otherwise True/Hack looks like a safe bet
Edit: Dream not Hack
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On January 23 2014 21:59 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 21:54 Shellshock wrote:On January 23 2014 21:53 Tchado wrote:On January 23 2014 21:51 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 23 2014 21:43 Tchado wrote:On January 23 2014 21:41 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow. not a fucking chance Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL. Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place. Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon. No terran will advance tomorrow Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ since almost every Terran has switched to mech TvZ now we really can't tell how good those Terrans will play. I think the results are really unpredictable for tomorrow since we have mostly seen bio from those guys and they have to play a completely different style now
You forget Ryung had a really solid mech when he needed to pull it out, he is more then capable.
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On January 23 2014 22:00 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 21:54 Shellshock wrote:On January 23 2014 21:53 Tchado wrote:On January 23 2014 21:51 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 23 2014 21:43 Tchado wrote:On January 23 2014 21:41 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow. not a fucking chance Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL. Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place. Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon. No terran will advance tomorrow Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ Havnt seen a lot from Hydra, but i'd say Ryung only advances if he manages to somehow get Hack in a TvT for a spot. Otherwise True/Hack looks like a safe bet Wasnt Dream very hyped by all when the 4M movement began? I havent heard from him since then.
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Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much.
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On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote: Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much.
You're desperate, aren't you.
TvZ is currently 10 v 11, so 48% with one game separating them. That's a bit different from the 1821% winrate T has against P.
Furthermore, Supernova and Bbyong made it into Code S by beating zergs. While not a single terran who had to play against a P made it into Code S.
While I don't think everything is alright in the TvZ MU after the WM nerf, this Code A does not show us that there's a problem.
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On January 23 2014 22:01 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 22:00 BlackCompany wrote:On January 23 2014 21:54 Shellshock wrote:On January 23 2014 21:53 Tchado wrote:On January 23 2014 21:51 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 23 2014 21:43 Tchado wrote:On January 23 2014 21:41 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow. not a fucking chance Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL. Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place. Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon. No terran will advance tomorrow Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ Havnt seen a lot from Hydra, but i'd say Ryung only advances if he manages to somehow get Hack in a TvT for a spot. Otherwise True/Hack looks like a safe bet Wasnt Dream very hyped by all when the 4M movement began? I havent heard from him since then.
Dream is like a rollercoaster, he shows amazing games but then falls down again and stays basicly hidden for months. Then he is amazing again for a short period and falls down again.. I dont know what to expect from Dream, but i rememmber that he was pretty good at TvZ as you did aswell
Oh and was it Dream or Hack that was so bad at TvT? One of them had like a 20% TvT winrate..
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