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On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote:
Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much.
Terrans are complaining about the TvP win-rates into qualifying for Code S from what I see. Can you show that TvZ win-rate is roughly on par with TvP win-rates?
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On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote:
Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much.
Maybe because it's 31-8 map wise in PvT, 15-18 in PvZ (with Daedalus) and 11-10 in TvZ?
Or maybe because only one Terran player won a series against a Protoss player so far, and then proceeded to die against another Protoss player lol
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On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote:
Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much.
That's because terrans can actually beat zergs reliably, whereas in TvP they've won 1 BO3 of I dont know, 15?
Zerg is in a perfectly fine spot because it seems to have a good chance of beating both T and P. Protoss on the other hand has a balanced matchup in PvZ and absolutely rolls any terrans they come across.
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On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote:
Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much.
ofc Terran is complaining about Protoss. Only a single bo3 has been won in a TvP and it was really close with the protoss totally shitting the bed (even lost to mech).
Gumiho, Bbyong, and Supernova (4-0 vs Coca even) all won their TvZs.
Hack, Bravo, Cure, and especially theBest all losing at the hands of zerg is understandable given their ability and who they played.
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United States97277 Posts
On January 23 2014 22:13 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 22:01 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On January 23 2014 22:00 BlackCompany wrote:On January 23 2014 21:54 Shellshock wrote:On January 23 2014 21:53 Tchado wrote:On January 23 2014 21:51 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 23 2014 21:43 Tchado wrote:On January 23 2014 21:41 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote:
that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow. not a fucking chance Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL. Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place. Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon. No terran will advance tomorrow  Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ Havnt seen a lot from Hydra, but i'd say Ryung only advances if he manages to somehow get Hack in a TvT for a spot. Otherwise True/Hack looks like a safe bet Wasnt Dream very hyped by all when the 4M movement began? I havent heard from him since then. Dream is like a rollercoaster, he shows amazing games but then falls down again and stays basicly hidden for months. Then he is amazing again for a short period and falls down again.. I dont know what to expect from Dream, but i rememmber that he was pretty good at TvZ as you did aswell Oh and was it Dream or Hack that was so bad at TvT? One of them had like a 20% TvT winrate..
Dream is the one that is historically weak in TvT with stronger TvP and TvZ
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On January 23 2014 22:10 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote:
Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much. You're desperate, aren't you.
Not really. I'm giving you the facts.
The fact you're yelling about matchup percentages actually demonstrates you desparate you and your compatriots are. First you cry about Terran low representation because "whaaa all the Protoss are qualifying instead". Then its pointed out that Zerg are qualifying at roughly the same rate you change your tune.
But go ahead and keep crying about it if you want. I won't be reading any more. Absolutely no reasoning with the balance whine on these forums.
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opterown
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lol Celestial you're being incredibly biased yourself. while i don't care for balance whine or whatever, the reason why terrans are whining is the low winrate in TvP, despite zergs also doing decently. it should be pretty damn easy to see why.
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On January 23 2014 21:44 Hopelessnoob wrote:
Please dont call seed vengence... That sounds terrible
TheBest, Tree, Whale were bad too. It looks like players who have been in FXO need to find weird IDs...
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On January 23 2014 22:23 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 22:10 Ghanburighan wrote:On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote:
Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much. You're desperate, aren't you. Not really. I'm giving you the facts. The fact you're yelling about matchup percentages actually demonstrates you desparate you and your compatriots are. First you cry about Terran low representation because "whaaa all the Protoss are qualifying instead". Then its pointed out that Zerg are qualifying at roughly the same rate you change your tune. But go ahead and keep crying about it if you want. I won't be reading any more. Absolutely no reasoning with the balance whine on these forums.
But match up percentages are kind of relevant when you're talking about balance etc. Of course Terrans are going to whine about Protoss over Zerg when they're actually winning TvZ's, that's just kind of how it works. Choosing to ignore that is silly.
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On January 23 2014 22:23 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 22:10 Ghanburighan wrote:On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote:
Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much. You're desperate, aren't you. Not really. I'm giving you the facts. The fact you're yelling about matchup percentages actually demonstrates you desparate you and your compatriots are. First you cry about Terran low representation because "whaaa all the Protoss are qualifying instead". Then its pointed out that Zerg are qualifying at roughly the same rate you change your tune. But go ahead and keep crying about it if you want. I won't be reading any more. Absolutely no reasoning with the balance whine on these forums.
Oh you are that cool guy that just leaves if he sees that most of the people disagree with him
How innovative
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On January 23 2014 22:23 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 22:10 Ghanburighan wrote:On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote:
Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much. You're desperate, aren't you. Not really. I'm giving you the facts. The fact you're yelling about matchup percentages actually demonstrates you desparate you and your compatriots are. First you cry about Terran low representation because "whaaa all the Protoss are qualifying instead". Then its pointed out that Zerg are qualifying at roughly the same rate you change your tune. But go ahead and keep crying about it if you want. I won't be reading any more. Absolutely no reasoning with the balance whine on these forums.
Dude, I think you got something wrong here... I mean, even blind people should CLEARLY see something's wrong with TvP... Just has nothing to do with Zergs being decent against Protoss (in numbers and winrates alike)
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opterown
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On January 23 2014 22:29 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 22:23 -Celestial- wrote:On January 23 2014 22:10 Ghanburighan wrote:On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote:
Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much. You're desperate, aren't you. Not really. I'm giving you the facts. The fact you're yelling about matchup percentages actually demonstrates you desparate you and your compatriots are. First you cry about Terran low representation because "whaaa all the Protoss are qualifying instead". Then its pointed out that Zerg are qualifying at roughly the same rate you change your tune. But go ahead and keep crying about it if you want. I won't be reading any more. Absolutely no reasoning with the balance whine on these forums. Oh you are that cool guy that just leaves if he sees that most of the people disagree with him How innovative
better than the guy who sticks around and keeps arguing without listening i guess
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On January 23 2014 22:32 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 22:29 BlackCompany wrote:On January 23 2014 22:23 -Celestial- wrote:On January 23 2014 22:10 Ghanburighan wrote:On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote:
Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much. You're desperate, aren't you. Not really. I'm giving you the facts. The fact you're yelling about matchup percentages actually demonstrates you desparate you and your compatriots are. First you cry about Terran low representation because "whaaa all the Protoss are qualifying instead". Then its pointed out that Zerg are qualifying at roughly the same rate you change your tune. But go ahead and keep crying about it if you want. I won't be reading any more. Absolutely no reasoning with the balance whine on these forums. Oh you are that cool guy that just leaves if he sees that most of the people disagree with him How innovative better than the guy who sticks around and keeps arguing without listening i guess
Well yeah, i suppose that would be worse
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On January 23 2014 22:14 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote:
Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much. ofc Terran is complaining about Protoss. Only a single bo3 has been won in a TvP and it was really close with the protoss totally shitting the bed (even lost to mech). Gumiho, Bbyong, and Supernova (4-0 vs Coca even) all won their TvZs. Hack, Bravo, Cure, and especially theBest all losing at the hands of zerg is understandable given their ability and who they played.
everyone! David kim is here! we understand its balanced as whatever you say, the question is when is the next dt AOE patch you've been contemplating?
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On January 23 2014 21:54 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 21:53 Tchado wrote:On January 23 2014 21:51 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 23 2014 21:43 Tchado wrote:On January 23 2014 21:41 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote:
that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow. not a fucking chance Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL. Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place. Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon. No terran will advance tomorrow Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ
Ryung has some trouble with late game TvZ, but TRUE doesn't even build an Infestation Pit in the match-up so Ryung shouldn't have a problem with him, and he'll beat Dream in the winner's match.
On January 23 2014 22:01 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 22:00 BlackCompany wrote:On January 23 2014 21:54 Shellshock wrote:On January 23 2014 21:53 Tchado wrote:On January 23 2014 21:51 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 23 2014 21:43 Tchado wrote:On January 23 2014 21:41 Elite_ wrote:On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote:
that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow. not a fucking chance Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL. Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place. Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon. No terran will advance tomorrow Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ Havnt seen a lot from Hydra, but i'd say Ryung only advances if he manages to somehow get Hack in a TvT for a spot. Otherwise True/Hack looks like a safe bet Wasnt Dream very hyped by all when the 4M movement began? I havent heard from him since then.
Dream was hyped as a TvP beast at the end of WoL after this tournament. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VII_-_Katowice
and he's still a beast in TvP as well as TvZ. The only reason we don't see him in Code S all the time is because he's weak in TvT... and he gets nervous sometimes. All the Koreans know he's a practice bonjwa.
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On January 23 2014 22:35 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 22:32 opterown wrote:On January 23 2014 22:29 BlackCompany wrote:On January 23 2014 22:23 -Celestial- wrote:On January 23 2014 22:10 Ghanburighan wrote:On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote:
Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much. You're desperate, aren't you. Not really. I'm giving you the facts. The fact you're yelling about matchup percentages actually demonstrates you desparate you and your compatriots are. First you cry about Terran low representation because "whaaa all the Protoss are qualifying instead". Then its pointed out that Zerg are qualifying at roughly the same rate you change your tune. But go ahead and keep crying about it if you want. I won't be reading any more. Absolutely no reasoning with the balance whine on these forums. Oh you are that cool guy that just leaves if he sees that most of the people disagree with him How innovative better than the guy who sticks around and keeps arguing without listening i guess Well yeah, i suppose that would be worse
That was such a random encounter, I´m suspecting TL is some kind of RPG.
And regarding Seed... Why would you change the name you´ve won a GSL under?
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On January 23 2014 23:17 Daswollvieh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 22:35 BlackCompany wrote:On January 23 2014 22:32 opterown wrote:On January 23 2014 22:29 BlackCompany wrote:On January 23 2014 22:23 -Celestial- wrote:On January 23 2014 22:10 Ghanburighan wrote:On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote:
Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much. You're desperate, aren't you. Not really. I'm giving you the facts. The fact you're yelling about matchup percentages actually demonstrates you desparate you and your compatriots are. First you cry about Terran low representation because "whaaa all the Protoss are qualifying instead". Then its pointed out that Zerg are qualifying at roughly the same rate you change your tune. But go ahead and keep crying about it if you want. I won't be reading any more. Absolutely no reasoning with the balance whine on these forums. Oh you are that cool guy that just leaves if he sees that most of the people disagree with him How innovative better than the guy who sticks around and keeps arguing without listening i guess Well yeah, i suppose that would be worse That was such a random encounter, I´m suspecting TL is some kind of RPG. And regarding Seed... Why would you change the name you´ve won a GSL under?
Because nobody remembers that he won a GSL under that name.
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On January 23 2014 22:14 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote:
Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much. ofc Terran is complaining about Protoss. Only a single bo3 has been won in a TvP and it was really close with the protoss totally shitting the bed (even lost to mech). Gumiho, Bbyong, and Supernova (4-0 vs Coca even) all won their TvZs. Hack, Bravo, Cure, and especially theBest all losing at the hands of zerg is understandable given their ability and who they played.
You know what ? It was pretty much what I said back in 2011. The only difference is that I didn't bash the terrans who won. And it was not only one season, it was a vast majority of the GSL seasons in 2011 in which terrans doubled the number of protoss, including GSL October when there were 20 terrans in code S RO32 for 5 P, only 1 P making it to the RO16. I wasn't even whining hard, just saying facts. And yet I was like a heretic here, people being like "terrans are just naturally better" or shit like this.
Of course I understand your frustration, I really do. I don't say I want a revenge because P has seemed unfavored in the past. Not at all. That would be so stupid. Actually I really hope TvP gets fixed (either by a meta change or a patch).
Back in 2011 I wish I would have been told this and not being bashed for saying I was frustrated.
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Anyway, would anyone expect Reality to beat Sora at all, considering history of both?
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On January 23 2014 23:32 Ammanas wrote:
Anyway, would anyone expect Reality to beat Sora at all, considering history of both?
Reality hasn't played too bad recently though. But yes, I would have definitely favored Sora no matter what the current balance is.
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