★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
60%
★★★- Good game (3)
30%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
10%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Reality vs. Sora Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Reality vs. Sora Game 2?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (15)
63%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (6)
25%
★★★- Good game (3)
13%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
24 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Reality vs. Sora Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Reality vs. Sora Game 3?
★★★- Good game (10)
45%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5)
23%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
14%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
9%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
9%
22 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Reality vs. Sora Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
11%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Hack vs. DongRaeGu Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Hack vs. DongRaeGu Game 2?
★★★- Good game (9)
75%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
17%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
8%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Hack vs. DongRaeGu Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Hack vs. DongRaeGu Game 3?
★★★- Good game (4)
67%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
17%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
17%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Hack vs. DongRaeGu Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (5)
38%
★★★- Good game (4)
31%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
15%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
8%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
8%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5)
50%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
20%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
10%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
10%
★★★- Good game (1)
10%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7)
64%
★★★- Good game (2)
18%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
18%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (6)
55%
★★★- Good game (5)
45%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (3)
50%
★★★- Good game (2)
33%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
17%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
20%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
40%
★★★- Good game (4)
27%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (4)
27%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
7%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
15 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
★★★- Good game (4)
57%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
29%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
14%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
On January 23 2014 15:59 Die4Ever wrote: here's what WCS Predictor says about these matches, before group J is finished because I need to go to sleep lol Match between DongRaeGu, Hack, Reality, Sora in GSL Code A. - DongRaeGu is at ~ 7.300 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 59.273 % of the time DongRaeGu wins and their chances go up to ~ 11.950 %. ~ 40.727 % of the time DongRaeGu loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.532 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Hack is at ~ 3.637 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 44.369 % of the time Hack wins and their chances go up to ~ 7.788 %. ~ 55.631 % of the time Hack loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.327 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Reality is at ~ 1.691 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 35.278 % of the time Reality wins and their chances go up to ~ 4.557 %. ~ 64.722 % of the time Reality loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.128 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Sora is at ~ 9.274 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 61.080 % of the time Sora wins and their chances go up to ~ 14.776 %. ~ 38.920 % of the time Sora loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.638 %.
- DongRaeGu is at ~ 7.300 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 59.273 % of the time DongRaeGu wins and their chances go up to ~ 11.950 %. ~ 40.727 % of the time DongRaeGu loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.532 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Hack is at ~ 3.637 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 44.369 % of the time Hack wins and their chances go up to ~ 7.788 %. ~ 55.631 % of the time Hack loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.327 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Reality is at ~ 1.691 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 35.278 % of the time Reality wins and their chances go up to ~ 4.557 %. ~ 64.722 % of the time Reality loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.128 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Sora is at ~ 9.274 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 61.080 % of the time Sora wins and their chances go up to ~ 14.776 %. ~ 38.920 % of the time Sora loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.638 %.
0:00 Reality spawns in the bottom left Sora spawns in the top right
1:40 rax first for Reality gateway first for Sora gas for Reality
2:00 gas for Sora Cybernetics core for Sora reaper for Reality
3:00 zealot for Sora scv scout from Reality Nexus for Sora reactor for Reality MSC for Sora
4:00 CC on the low ground for Reality 2nd gas for Sora reaper arrives at the base of Sora Factory for Reality reaper kills 1 probe before escaping stalker for Sora
5:00 Twilight council for Sora widow mine for Reality Starport for Reality 2nd gas for Reality MSC gets damaged by marines
On January 23 2014 17:37 Shellshock wrote: I picked Sora and DRG when I liquibetted but Sora has looked kind of eh in his last few SPL appearances so I'm less confident with my selections now.
I picked Sora and Hack. None of these players have looked particularly impressive recently. I haven't seen much of Hack lately so he had been the least disappointing :p
0:00 Reality spawns in the bottom left Sora spawns in the top right
1:40 rax first for Reality gateway first for Sora gas for Reality
2:00 gas for Sora Cybernetics core for Sora reaper for Reality
3:00 zealot for Sora scv scout from Reality Nexus for Sora reactor for Reality MSC for Sora
4:00 CC on the low ground for Reality 2nd gas for Sora reaper arrives at the base of Sora Factory for Reality reaper kills 1 probe before escaping stalker for Sora
5:00 Twilight council for Sora widow mine for Reality Starport for Reality 2nd gas for Reality MSC gets damaged by marines
6:00 Dark shrine for Sora robo for Sora hellions for Reality 2 more gates for Sora medivac out for Reality bunker in the natural for Reality
7:00 54 vs 49 stim research started for Reality Marauder production started for Reality observer for Sora widow mine marine drop heading out for Reality 2nd observer for Sora 2 more rax for Reality drop in the main of Sora photon overcharge on the main nexus widow mine kills a stalker hellions in the natural of Sora
8:00 58 vs 38 Reality kills 28 harvesters DTs in the natural and main of Reality ebay in the main of Reality scvs are just running around in both bases not mining
9:00 54 vs 48 tech lab researching stim is destroyed by DTs missile turrets finishing up for Reality Sora is ahead by 3 workers now
10:00 51 vs 49 Robo bay for Sora stim research restarted for Reality +1 armor half way done for Sora (forge made during the harass) immortal for Sora +1 attack started for Reality
0:00 Reality spawns in the bottom left Sora spawns in the top right
1:40 rax first for Reality gateway first for Sora gas for Reality
2:00 gas for Sora Cybernetics core for Sora reaper for Reality
3:00 zealot for Sora scv scout from Reality Nexus for Sora reactor for Reality MSC for Sora
4:00 CC on the low ground for Reality 2nd gas for Sora reaper arrives at the base of Sora Factory for Reality reaper kills 1 probe before escaping stalker for Sora
5:00 Twilight council for Sora widow mine for Reality Starport for Reality 2nd gas for Reality MSC gets damaged by marines
6:00 Dark shrine for Sora robo for Sora hellions for Reality 2 more gates for Sora medivac out for Reality bunker in the natural for Reality
7:00 54 vs 49 stim research started for Reality Marauder production started for Reality observer for Sora widow mine marine drop heading out for Reality 2nd observer for Sora 2 more rax for Reality drop in the main of Sora photon overcharge on the main nexus widow mine kills a stalker hellions in the natural of Sora
8:00 58 vs 38 Reality kills 28 harvesters DTs in the natural and main of Reality ebay in the main of Reality scvs are just running around in both bases not mining
9:00 54 vs 48 tech lab researching stim is destroyed by DTs missile turrets finishing up for Reality Sora is ahead by 3 workers now
10:00 51 vs 49 Robo bay for Sora stim research restarted for Reality +1 armor half way done for Sora (forge made during the harass) immortal for Sora +1 attack started for Reality
11:00 66 vs 71 blink research started for Sora Colossus production started for Sora 4 marauder drop in the main of Dora stalkers and immortals repel the drop hellions drive into the natural photon overcharge on the natural Reality up to 30 probe kills
12:00 80 vs 80 combat shields for Reality Extended thermal lance research for Sora +1 attack for Sora 3 more gates for Sora 2nd forge fr Sora 3rd CC for Reality
13:00 98 vs 92 Reality moving out on the map with his bio force concussive shells for Reality 2 more rax for Reality +2 armor for Sora widow mine production restarted for Reality
14:00 118 vs 108 armies skirmish in the middle of the map Reality is able to push Sora back 1 colossus barel survives stalkers kill full medivacs as Reality tries to pick up and move away 3rd base for Sora
15:00 94 vs 101 3 more rax for Reality +1 armor for Reality +2 attack for Sora 2nd starport for Reality Reality floating out his 3rd CC charge research for Sora viking production started for Reality
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
60%
★★★- Good game (3)
30%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
10%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Reality vs. Sora Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
0:00 Reality spawns in the bottom left Sora spawns in the top right
1:40 rax first for Reality gateway first for Sora gas for Reality
2:00 gas for Sora Cybernetics core for Sora reaper for Reality
3:00 zealot for Sora scv scout from Reality Nexus for Sora reactor for Reality MSC for Sora
4:00 CC on the low ground for Reality 2nd gas for Sora reaper arrives at the base of Sora Factory for Reality reaper kills 1 probe before escaping stalker for Sora
5:00 Twilight council for Sora widow mine for Reality Starport for Reality 2nd gas for Reality MSC gets damaged by marines
6:00 Dark shrine for Sora robo for Sora hellions for Reality 2 more gates for Sora medivac out for Reality bunker in the natural for Reality
7:00 54 vs 49 stim research started for Reality Marauder production started for Reality observer for Sora widow mine marine drop heading out for Reality 2nd observer for Sora 2 more rax for Reality drop in the main of Sora photon overcharge on the main nexus widow mine kills a stalker hellions in the natural of Sora
8:00 58 vs 38 Reality kills 28 harvesters DTs in the natural and main of Reality ebay in the main of Reality scvs are just running around in both bases not mining
9:00 54 vs 48 tech lab researching stim is destroyed by DTs missile turrets finishing up for Reality Sora is ahead by 3 workers now
10:00 51 vs 49 Robo bay for Sora stim research restarted for Reality +1 armor half way done for Sora (forge made during the harass) immortal for Sora +1 attack started for Reality
11:00 66 vs 71 blink research started for Sora Colossus production started for Sora 4 marauder drop in the main of Dora stalkers and immortals repel the drop hellions drive into the natural photon overcharge on the natural Reality up to 30 probe kills
12:00 80 vs 80 combat shields for Reality Extended thermal lance research for Sora +1 attack for Sora 3 more gates for Sora 2nd forge fr Sora 3rd CC for Reality
13:00 98 vs 92 Reality moving out on the map with his bio force concussive shells for Reality 2 more rax for Reality +2 armor for Sora widow mine production restarted for Reality
14:00 118 vs 108 armies skirmish in the middle of the map Reality is able to push Sora back 1 colossus barel survives stalkers kill full medivacs as Reality tries to pick up and move away 3rd base for Sora
15:00 94 vs 101 3 more rax for Reality +1 armor for Reality +2 attack for Sora 2nd starport for Reality Reality floating out his 3rd CC charge research for Sora viking production started for Reality
16:00 118 vs 127 Sora moving across the map after his 3rd colossus spawns 2 more gates for Sora triple viking production for Reality Sora attacking at the 3rd of Reality scvs at the 3rd are pulled timewarp on the bio army
17:00 132 vs 147 templar archives for Sora armies reengage at the 3rd stalkers kill off the vikings with 2 colossi still alive scvs are pulled again Reality's army is being whittled down another colossus joins the fight 3rd CC of Reality is destroyed
18:00 102 vs 131 2-2 is done for Sora now +3 armor for Sora Sora backs off to the middle of the map after killing the 3rd HTs being warped in to morph archons
19:00 131 vs 148 Sora chronoboosts the wrong forge lel wasn't researching anything on that one Reality moving across the map with his army observer tailing the army the whole way 2 more gates for Sora scvs are being pulled by REality stalkers pick off another viking DT sees there's no rebuilt 3rd
20:00 100 vs 172 fight at the 3rd Reality insta ggs Sora wins game 1!
im just watching and wondering if i should be angry or happy that PvT is as broken as Orc vs undead in wc3. Happy beacuse when there are 0 terrans left in korea code S then something might be changed. Sad beacuse i like to watch terran.
0:00 Reality spawns in the top left Sora spawns in the bottom right
1:40 rax first for Reality gateway first for Sora gas for Reality
2:00 double gas for Sora reactor for Reality Cybernetics core for Sora
3:00 zealot for Sora scv scout for Reality double reaper for Reality Stalker for Sora MSC for Sora
4:00 CC on the high ground for Reality MSC moving across the map Nexus for Sora reapers arrive at the base of Sora reapers are pushed away with 0 kills
5:00 factory for Reality marines deny MSC scouting 2nd stalker for Sora reapers jump back into the main 2 probes are killed and both reapers escape
On January 23 2014 18:25 NovaMB wrote: If you Proxy Stargate vs. this build, does your Oracle arrive before the sixth Marine? The Marines seem so late
This is the reason why I don't see many terrans go for 2 reapers before reactor, there is a strong risk you won't have enough marines out in case a proxy oracle comes knocking.
0:00 Reality spawns in the top left Sora spawns in the bottom right
1:40 rax first for Reality gateway first for Sora gas for Reality
2:00 double gas for Sora reactor for Reality Cybernetics core for Sora
3:00 zealot for Sora scv scout for Reality double reaper for Reality Stalker for Sora MSC for Sora
4:00 CC on the high ground for Reality MSC moving across the map Nexus for Sora reapers arrive at the base of Sora reapers are pushed away with 0 kills
5:00 factory for Reality marines deny MSC scouting 2nd stalker for Sora reapers jump back into the main 2 probes are killed and both reapers escape
6:00 robo finished for Sora and observer started 2 more gates for SOra widow mine for Reality Starport for Reality
7:00 46 vs 45 2 more probes die to the reapers before they fall medivac for Reality 2nd observer for Sora bunker in the natural for Reality 2 more rax for Reality 3rd observer for Sora 2 more gas for Sora
8:00 52 vs 60 sitm research started for Reality marauder production started for Reality observer scouts the main of Reality ebay for Reality another gas for Reality forge for Sora immortal started for Sora double widow mine drop in the natural of Sora Reality up to 6 probes killed but both widow mines are killed off
9:00 66 vs 70 Robo bay for Sora +1 attack for Sora +1 attack for Reality concussive shells for Reality Twilight council for Sora 2 more rax for Reality 1 of Sora's observers is killed off
10:00 82 vs 78 Colossus production started for Sora extended thermal lance research for Sora 3 more gates for Sora combat shields research started for Reality hallucinated phoenix scouts an incoming drop Blink research started for Sora missile turret for Reality 4 marauder drop in the main base of Sora
I don't really agree with trading the 2 reapers for 4 scvs (over 2 attacks, less impact when harvesters are killed over a number of attacks). Keeping them around map, and later poking to see unit comps or tech would be worthwhile, saving a scan or two.
Reality stared off strong, but I fear that his passivity now could cost him the game, I'd like it if he'd be out on the map more, trying to make things happen.
0:00 Reality spawns in the top left Sora spawns in the bottom right
1:40 rax first for Reality gateway first for Sora gas for Reality
2:00 double gas for Sora reactor for Reality Cybernetics core for Sora
3:00 zealot for Sora scv scout for Reality double reaper for Reality Stalker for Sora MSC for Sora
4:00 CC on the high ground for Reality MSC moving across the map Nexus for Sora reapers arrive at the base of Sora reapers are pushed away with 0 kills
5:00 factory for Reality marines deny MSC scouting 2nd stalker for Sora reapers jump back into the main 2 probes are killed and both reapers escape
6:00 robo finished for Sora and observer started 2 more gates for SOra widow mine for Reality Starport for Reality
7:00 46 vs 45 2 more probes die to the reapers before they fall medivac for Reality 2nd observer for Sora bunker in the natural for Reality 2 more rax for Reality 3rd observer for Sora 2 more gas for Sora
8:00 52 vs 60 sitm research started for Reality marauder production started for Reality observer scouts the main of Reality ebay for Reality another gas for Reality forge for Sora immortal started for Sora double widow mine drop in the natural of Sora Reality up to 6 probes killed but both widow mines are killed off
9:00 66 vs 70 Robo bay for Sora +1 attack for Sora +1 attack for Reality concussive shells for Reality Twilight council for Sora 2 more rax for Reality 1 of Sora's observers is killed off
10:00 82 vs 78 Colossus production started for Sora extended thermal lance research for Sora 3 more gates for Sora combat shields research started for Reality hallucinated phoenix scouts an incoming drop Blink research started for Sora missile turret for Reality 4 marauder drop in the main base of Sora
11:00 104 vs 100 bio attack in the natural kills hte nexus after the drop is defended
12:00 90v s 98 +1 armor for Sora +1 armor for Reality 3rd CC for reality 2nd starport for Reality 3rd base for Sora armory for Reality
13:00 104 vs 104 viking proudction started for Reality charge research started for Sora triple viking production for Reality now +1 vehicle weapons for Reality
14:00 141 vs 111 Reality sending some bio across the map double drop waiting to the left of Sora's main Reality's 3rd is now mining +2 attack for Reality
15:00 157 vs 136 +2 armor for Sora Templar archives for Sora another observer is killed
0:00 Reality spawns in the top left Sora spawns in the bottom right
1:40 rax first for Reality gateway first for Sora gas for Reality
2:00 double gas for Sora reactor for Reality Cybernetics core for Sora
3:00 zealot for Sora scv scout for Reality double reaper for Reality Stalker for Sora MSC for Sora
4:00 CC on the high ground for Reality MSC moving across the map Nexus for Sora reapers arrive at the base of Sora reapers are pushed away with 0 kills
5:00 factory for Reality marines deny MSC scouting 2nd stalker for Sora reapers jump back into the main 2 probes are killed and both reapers escape
6:00 robo finished for Sora and observer started 2 more gates for SOra widow mine for Reality Starport for Reality
7:00 46 vs 45 2 more probes die to the reapers before they fall medivac for Reality 2nd observer for Sora bunker in the natural for Reality 2 more rax for Reality 3rd observer for Sora 2 more gas for Sora
8:00 52 vs 60 sitm research started for Reality marauder production started for Reality observer scouts the main of Reality ebay for Reality another gas for Reality forge for Sora immortal started for Sora double widow mine drop in the natural of Sora Reality up to 6 probes killed but both widow mines are killed off
9:00 66 vs 70 Robo bay for Sora +1 attack for Sora +1 attack for Reality concussive shells for Reality Twilight council for Sora 2 more rax for Reality 1 of Sora's observers is killed off
10:00 82 vs 78 Colossus production started for Sora extended thermal lance research for Sora 3 more gates for Sora combat shields research started for Reality hallucinated phoenix scouts an incoming drop Blink research started for Sora missile turret for Reality 4 marauder drop in the main base of Sora
11:00 104 vs 100 bio attack in the natural kills hte nexus after the drop is defended
12:00 90v s 98 +1 armor for Sora +1 armor for Reality 3rd CC for reality 2nd starport for Reality 3rd base for Sora armory for Reality
13:00 104 vs 104 viking proudction started for Reality charge research started for Sora triple viking production for Reality now +1 vehicle weapons for Reality
14:00 141 vs 111 Reality sending some bio across the map double drop waiting to the left of Sora's main Reality's 3rd is now mining +2 attack for Reality
15:00 157 vs 136 +2 armor for Sora Templar archives for Sora another observer is killed
16:00 185 vs 150 double drop in the main of Sora drop in the natural was defended antoher single drop on the other side of the main bio force attacks the undefended 3rd of Sora vikings fly into the main to try and kill colossi
17:00 176 vs 134 3rd of Sora is killed twilight council is killed by the other drop of Reality drop in the natural of Sora is cleaned up Storm research for Sora 3rd base restarted for Sora +2 vehicle weapons for Reality ghost production started for Reality
18:00 180 vs 135 Twilight council restarted for Sora 4th CC for Reality 2nd ebay for Reality Reality moving across the map again with his next army
19:00 192 vs 163 Sora warping in HTs +2 attack for Sora warp prism out for Sora +3 armor for Sora 2 more gates for Sora
20:00 199 vs 173 drop in the natural of Sora gets feedbacked but the medivac survives photon overcharge on the natural nexus drop moves to the main storm misses the army of Reality 1 HT gets sniped another drop in the main of Sora main armies engaging between the natural and 3rd of Sora snipe on the HTs Colossi killed by vikings Sora's army is cleaned up
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
24 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Reality vs. Sora Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
24 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Reality vs. Sora Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
0:00 Reality spawns in the bottom right Sora spawns in the top right
2:00 CC first on the low ground for Reality Nexus first for Sora rax for Reality gateway for Sora
3:00 double gas for Sora 2nd rax for Reality scv scout finds the base of Sora first and sees the nexus first cybernetics core for Sora zealot for Sora
4:00 3rd rax for Reality Sora scouts the position of Reality last 4th rax for Reality MSC for Sora probe scout is denied from seeing anything by marines stalker for Sora
5:00 MSC kills the scv scout of Reality MSC moving across the map double gas for Reality
Msc protects protoss from early terran all ins, right? But cant terran abuse msc scouting by alling? Since they lose photon overcharge by scouting and probably recalling
0:00 Reality spawns in the bottom right Sora spawns in the top right
2:00 CC first on the low ground for Reality Nexus first for Sora rax for Reality gateway for Sora
3:00 double gas for Sora 2nd rax for Reality scv scout finds the base of Sora first and sees the nexus first cybernetics core for Sora zealot for Sora
4:00 3rd rax for Reality Sora scouts the position of Reality last 4th rax for Reality MSC for Sora probe scout is denied from seeing anything by marines stalker for Sora
5:00 MSC kills the scv scout of Reality MSC moving across the map double gas for Reality
6:00 a few marines move across the map first stalker starts chipping away at marine health Sora chronoboosting out a 3rd stalker tech lab for Reality Twilight council for Sora 3rd gas for Reality
7:00 53 vs 52 more marines rallying across the map 3 stalkers out for Sora 3rd base for Sora stim research started for Reality more marines arrive at Sora's natural 2 more gates for Sora blink research started for Sora factory for Reality ebay for Reality photon overcharge on the natural neuxs 2 stalkers are killed off by marines 14 marines dead for Reality
8:00 56 vs 58 marauder production started for Reality missile turret in the natural for Reality 4 more gates for Sora +1 attack for Reality 3rd CC for Reality another gate for Sora Reality scans and sees all the gateways
9:00 72 vs 74 Starport for Reality robo for Sora concussive shells for Reality forge for Sora
10:00 90 vs 92 medivacs started for Reality widow mine for Reality +1 armor for Sora Robo bay for Sora combat shields for Reality observer for Sora immortal started for Sora 2 more rax for Reality
On January 23 2014 18:44 sharkie wrote: Msc protects protoss from early terran all ins, right? But cant terran abuse msc scouting by alling? Since they lose photon overcharge by scouting and probably recalling
He tried, but the MSC got back in time. Sora did a great job zoning out the marines at his third as long as reality's reinforcements weren't in place. I feel like reality could've done a lot more though, did he use his 4 barracks to their full potential?
0:00 Reality spawns in the bottom right Sora spawns in the top right
2:00 CC first on the low ground for Reality Nexus first for Sora rax for Reality gateway for Sora
3:00 double gas for Sora 2nd rax for Reality scv scout finds the base of Sora first and sees the nexus first cybernetics core for Sora zealot for Sora
4:00 3rd rax for Reality Sora scouts the position of Reality last 4th rax for Reality MSC for Sora probe scout is denied from seeing anything by marines stalker for Sora
5:00 MSC kills the scv scout of Reality MSC moving across the map double gas for Reality
6:00 a few marines move across the map first stalker starts chipping away at marine health Sora chronoboosting out a 3rd stalker tech lab for Reality Twilight council for Sora 3rd gas for Reality
7:00 53 vs 52 more marines rallying across the map 3 stalkers out for Sora 3rd base for Sora stim research started for Reality more marines arrive at Sora's natural 2 more gates for Sora blink research started for Sora factory for Reality ebay for Reality photon overcharge on the natural neuxs 2 stalkers are killed off by marines 14 marines dead for Reality
8:00 56 vs 58 marauder production started for Reality missile turret in the natural for Reality 4 more gates for Sora +1 attack for Reality 3rd CC for Reality another gate for Sora Reality scans and sees all the gateways
9:00 72 vs 74 Starport for Reality robo for Sora concussive shells for Reality forge for Sora
10:00 90 vs 92 medivacs started for Reality widow mine for Reality +1 armor for Sora Robo bay for Sora combat shields for Reality observer for Sora immortal started for Sora 2 more rax for Reality
11:00 112 vs 111 charge research for Sora 2nd robo for Sora +1 armor for Reality 2nd ebay for Reality armory for Reality Colossus production started for Sora templar archives for Sora double drop heading for the 3rd of Sora
12:00 133 vs 128 Sora defends the drops but Reality escapes with the units double drop in the natural of Sora marauders target down the nexus natural of Sora is kileld
13:00 135 vs 150 Sora killed off the units from the double drop at the 3rd +2 attack for Reality 2nd starport for Reality double colossus production for Sora natural nexus restarted for Sora 2nd forge for Sora +1 attack for Sora 3 more rax for Reality +1 ship weapons for Reality
14:00 159 vs 156 zealot runby to the 3rd of Reality Sora moving across the map with his main army 2 hallucinated colossi in the army quadruple viking production for Reality scvs are pulled in the natural to defend and Sora backs off storm research for Sora +2 armor for Sora 4th base for Sora another zealot runby to the 3rd of Reality is cleaned up
15:00 170 vs 160 dark shrine for Sora Extended thermal lance research started for Sora 3 more gates for Sora 4th CC for Reality ghost academy for Reality
0:00 Reality spawns in the bottom right Sora spawns in the top right
2:00 CC first on the low ground for Reality Nexus first for Sora rax for Reality gateway for Sora
3:00 double gas for Sora 2nd rax for Reality scv scout finds the base of Sora first and sees the nexus first cybernetics core for Sora zealot for Sora
4:00 3rd rax for Reality Sora scouts the position of Reality last 4th rax for Reality MSC for Sora probe scout is denied from seeing anything by marines stalker for Sora
5:00 MSC kills the scv scout of Reality MSC moving across the map double gas for Reality
6:00 a few marines move across the map first stalker starts chipping away at marine health Sora chronoboosting out a 3rd stalker tech lab for Reality Twilight council for Sora 3rd gas for Reality
7:00 53 vs 52 more marines rallying across the map 3 stalkers out for Sora 3rd base for Sora stim research started for Reality more marines arrive at Sora's natural 2 more gates for Sora blink research started for Sora factory for Reality ebay for Reality photon overcharge on the natural neuxs 2 stalkers are killed off by marines 14 marines dead for Reality
8:00 56 vs 58 marauder production started for Reality missile turret in the natural for Reality 4 more gates for Sora +1 attack for Reality 3rd CC for Reality another gate for Sora Reality scans and sees all the gateways
9:00 72 vs 74 Starport for Reality robo for Sora concussive shells for Reality forge for Sora
10:00 90 vs 92 medivacs started for Reality widow mine for Reality +1 armor for Sora Robo bay for Sora combat shields for Reality observer for Sora immortal started for Sora 2 more rax for Reality
11:00 112 vs 111 charge research for Sora 2nd robo for Sora +1 armor for Reality 2nd ebay for Reality armory for Reality Colossus production started for Sora templar archives for Sora double drop heading for the 3rd of Sora
12:00 133 vs 128 Sora defends the drops but Reality escapes with the units double drop in the natural of Sora marauders target down the nexus natural of Sora is kileld
13:00 135 vs 150 Sora killed off the units from the double drop at the 3rd +2 attack for Reality 2nd starport for Reality double colossus production for Sora natural nexus restarted for Sora 2nd forge for Sora +1 attack for Sora 3 more rax for Reality +1 ship weapons for Reality
14:00 159 vs 156 zealot runby to the 3rd of Reality Sora moving across the map with his main army 2 hallucinated colossi in the army quadruple viking production for Reality scvs are pulled in the natural to defend and Sora backs off storm research for Sora +2 armor for Sora 4th base for Sora another zealot runby to the 3rd of Reality is cleaned up
15:00 170 vs 160 dark shrine for Sora Extended thermal lance research started for Sora 3 more gates for Sora 4th CC for Reality ghost academy for Reality
16:00 196 vs 172 Reality pushing at the 3rd of Sora 1 colossus dies to vikings storm forces Reality back zealot warp in from a warp prism in the natural of Reality warp prism dies to missile turrets engagement in the middle of the map still no colossus range all the vikings are killed off by stalkers
17:00 178 vs 176 +3 attack for Reality +2 vehicle weapons for Reality +3 armor for Sora Sora moving across the map ghost production started for Reality zealot runby to the 3rd of Reality is cleaned up +2 attack started for Sora
18:00 198 vs 192 4th of Reality is forced to lift and float away another CC started for Reality timewarp on the army of Reality Sora attacking at the 3rd of Reality but some rax are blocking the path storm on the front part of Reality's army the rax at the 3rd are destroyed Sora goes in for the attaack storm on the army of Reality
19:00 180 vs 183 scvs at the 3rd are pulled Sora is able to break through the defense Sora takes a huge lead and has 4 colossi still alive 3rd of Reality is killed Reality ggs! Sora wins 2-1!
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5)
23%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
14%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
9%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
9%
22 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Reality vs. Sora Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Reality shouldn't have lost all his Vikings there in the middle. When the toss has so many blink stalkers and colossus you need an absurd number of vikings, like 20 or more so you can destroy the colossus quickly. If the colossus don't die fast enough then your bio army dies.
On January 23 2014 18:53 Bagi wrote: I don't even understand what terran is supposed to do any more.
From my bad obs skills, it seems like they can't let it go to a late game. Once there are 5+ Colossi and Storm, bio gets wrecked no matter what. Reality did fine though. Game 2 he was able to get an advantage early, which is what needs to be done I guess.
It actually pains me that a Terran won a series against Protoss because the whine is much less fun when there is an exception that can be thrown at your face. "Play like Supernova!". :'(
On January 23 2014 18:54 Destructicon wrote: Reality shouldn't have lost all his Vikings there in the middle. When the toss has so many blink stalkers and colossus you need an absurd number of vikings, like 20 or more so you can destroy the colossus quickly. If the colossus don't die fast enough then your bio army dies.
Having too many vikings is risky as hell imo, but necessary.
On January 23 2014 18:54 Destructicon wrote: Reality shouldn't have lost all his Vikings there in the middle. When the toss has so many blink stalkers and colossus you need an absurd number of vikings, like 20 or more so you can destroy the colossus quickly. If the colossus don't die fast enough then your bio army dies.
Or he could have positioned the vikings over the deadzone airspace, reducing stalker fire. Even then, he could have flanked collosi with marauders and traded really well.
Sorry but TvP is getting ridiculous at this point... Also it's kinda sickening to hear stuff like "brilliant photon overcharge" or "sick time warp" as its not really hard to pull off, especially on pro level. Really frustrating to watch from a Terran's pov
On January 23 2014 18:55 ZenithM wrote: It actually pains me that a Terran won a series against Protoss because the whine is much less fun when there is an exception that can be thrown at your face. "Play like Supernova!". :'(
On January 23 2014 18:55 ZenithM wrote: It actually pains me that a Terran won a series against Protoss because the whine is much less fun when there is an exception that can be thrown at your face. "Play like Supernova!". :'(
But supernova lost his TvP
Just play like Cure!
Cure actually beat Soulkey in the IEM qualis, he seems really promising.
On January 23 2014 18:55 ZenithM wrote: It actually pains me that a Terran won a series against Protoss because the whine is much less fun when there is an exception that can be thrown at your face. "Play like Supernova!". :'(
But supernova lost his TvP
Just play like Cure!
Cure actually beat Soulkey in the IEM qualis, he seems really promising.
On January 23 2014 18:54 Destructicon wrote: Reality shouldn't have lost all his Vikings there in the middle. When the toss has so many blink stalkers and colossus you need an absurd number of vikings, like 20 or more so you can destroy the colossus quickly. If the colossus don't die fast enough then your bio army dies.
Or he could have positioned the vikings over the deadzone airspace, reducing stalker fire. Even then, he could have flanked collosi with marauders and traded really well.
Problem still remains though, Sora had tons of Colossus and you want those to die asap, yeah keeping the Vikings over the air space helps a lot, but you still need a big enough mass of vikings to kill them faster then they can kill your bio.
On January 23 2014 18:55 ZenithM wrote: It actually pains me that a Terran won a series against Protoss because the whine is much less fun when there is an exception that can be thrown at your face. "Play like Supernova!". :'(
But supernova lost his TvP
Just play like Cure!
Cure actually beat Soulkey in the IEM qualis, he seems really promising.
He just beat Maru 2-0
Man, playing two tournaments to qualify is kinda hard for our korean heroes . I guess they have to reduce them somehow.
0:00 Hack spawns in the top right DongRaeGu spawns in the bottom left
1:40 rax first for Hack gas for Hack
2:00 Hatch first for DRG DRG sending out a drone scout pool for DRG reaper for Hack
3:00 2nd reaper for Hack
4:00 drone scout killed by the first reaper CC on the low ground pocket expansion for Hack Factory for Hack first reaper arrives at the main of DRG reactor for Hack
5:00 2nd reaper joins up with the first and enters the main of DRG creep tumor is killed by the reapers 3rd CC for Hack reactored hellion production started for Hack double gas for DRG
0:00 Hack spawns in the top right DongRaeGu spawns in the bottom left
1:40 rax first for Hack gas for Hack
2:00 Hatch first for DRG DRG sending out a drone scout pool for DRG reaper for Hack
3:00 2nd reaper for Hack
4:00 drone scout killed by the first reaper CC on the low ground pocket expansion for Hack Factory for Hack first reaper arrives at the main of DRG reactor for Hack
5:00 2nd reaper joins up with the first and enters the main of DRG creep tumor is killed by the reapers 3rd CC for Hack reactored hellion production started for Hack double gas for DRG
6:00 2nd gas for Hack 2 hellions and 2 reapers kill off another creep tumor
7:00 46 vs 60 DRG scouts the 3rd CC ling speed for DRG stim research for Hack double evo for DRG 4 gas for DRG reaper gets into the natural of DRG and scouts the 4 gas double ebay for Hack 2 more rax for Hack 1-1 ling upgrades started for DRG
8:00 53 vs 70 Lair for DRG hellions and reapers damaging queens creep makes it down DRG's main ramp Starport for Hack more lings for DRG as ling speed finishes 3rd base for DRG baneling nest for DRG
9:00 67 vs 82 lings get into the main of Hack hellions come home to help defend DRG scouts everything combat shields for Hack lings in the natural of Hack only 2 scvs are killed Spire for DRG 1-1 started for Hack
10:00 T: 72 vs 85 baneling speed for DRG Hack lands his 3rd base bunker behind the 3rd mineral line for Hack medivacs for Hack lings scout the landed 3rd
On January 23 2014 18:55 ZenithM wrote: It actually pains me that a Terran won a series against Protoss because the whine is much less fun when there is an exception that can be thrown at your face. "Play like Supernova!". :'(
But supernova lost his TvP
Oh shit, that's true. So no TvP series won yet in Code A?
On January 23 2014 18:55 ZenithM wrote: It actually pains me that a Terran won a series against Protoss because the whine is much less fun when there is an exception that can be thrown at your face. "Play like Supernova!". :'(
But supernova lost his TvP
Oh shit, that's true. So no TvP series won yet in Code A?
On January 23 2014 18:55 ZenithM wrote: It actually pains me that a Terran won a series against Protoss because the whine is much less fun when there is an exception that can be thrown at your face. "Play like Supernova!". :'(
But supernova lost his TvP
Oh shit, that's true. So no TvP series won yet in Code A?
Cure won 2-1 against Hurricane. I think that is the only series.
0:00 Hack spawns in the top right DongRaeGu spawns in the bottom left
1:40 rax first for Hack gas for Hack
2:00 Hatch first for DRG DRG sending out a drone scout pool for DRG reaper for Hack
3:00 2nd reaper for Hack
4:00 drone scout killed by the first reaper CC on the low ground pocket expansion for Hack Factory for Hack first reaper arrives at the main of DRG reactor for Hack
5:00 2nd reaper joins up with the first and enters the main of DRG creep tumor is killed by the reapers 3rd CC for Hack reactored hellion production started for Hack double gas for DRG
6:00 2nd gas for Hack 2 hellions and 2 reapers kill off another creep tumor
7:00 46 vs 60 DRG scouts the 3rd CC ling speed for DRG stim research for Hack double evo for DRG 4 gas for DRG reaper gets into the natural of DRG and scouts the 4 gas double ebay for Hack 2 more rax for Hack 1-1 ling upgrades started for DRG
8:00 53 vs 70 Lair for DRG hellions and reapers damaging queens creep makes it down DRG's main ramp Starport for Hack more lings for DRG as ling speed finishes 3rd base for DRG baneling nest for DRG
9:00 67 vs 82 lings get into the main of Hack hellions come home to help defend DRG scouts everything combat shields for Hack lings in the natural of Hack only 2 scvs are killed Spire for DRG 1-1 started for Hack
10:00 T: 72 vs 85 baneling speed for DRG Hack lands his 3rd base bunker behind the 3rd mineral line for Hack medivacs for Hack lings scout the landed 3rd
11:00 107 vs 108 macro hatch for DRG 2 more gas for DRG 2-2 for DRG concussive shells for Hack +1 flier attack for DRG ling runby to the 3rd of Hack is defended by the bunker widow mines for Hack armory for Hack Hack cleaning up some creep tumors
12:00 112 vs 107 DRG trades poorly with some banes more lings and banes coming out for DRG more creep tumors being killed off Hack is finally pushed back 2-2 started for Hack mutas started for DRG spore for DRG
13:00 125 vs 119 4th base for DRG overlord speed for DRG 2 more rax for Hack 2nd factory for Hack small bio attack at the 4th of DRG is defended mutas start damaging the medivacs
14:00 130 vs 152 4th CC for Hack +2 flier attack for DRG +1 vehicle armor for Hack more mutas for DRG
15:00 157 vs 176 drop of Hack is scouted and chased down by mutas drilling claws for Hack 2 more gas for DRG Hack pushing across the map towards the 4th again
0:00 Hack spawns in the top right DongRaeGu spawns in the bottom left
1:40 rax first for Hack gas for Hack
2:00 Hatch first for DRG DRG sending out a drone scout pool for DRG reaper for Hack
3:00 2nd reaper for Hack
4:00 drone scout killed by the first reaper CC on the low ground pocket expansion for Hack Factory for Hack first reaper arrives at the main of DRG reactor for Hack
5:00 2nd reaper joins up with the first and enters the main of DRG creep tumor is killed by the reapers 3rd CC for Hack reactored hellion production started for Hack double gas for DRG
6:00 2nd gas for Hack 2 hellions and 2 reapers kill off another creep tumor
7:00 46 vs 60 DRG scouts the 3rd CC ling speed for DRG stim research for Hack double evo for DRG 4 gas for DRG reaper gets into the natural of DRG and scouts the 4 gas double ebay for Hack 2 more rax for Hack 1-1 ling upgrades started for DRG
8:00 53 vs 70 Lair for DRG hellions and reapers damaging queens creep makes it down DRG's main ramp Starport for Hack more lings for DRG as ling speed finishes 3rd base for DRG baneling nest for DRG
9:00 67 vs 82 lings get into the main of Hack hellions come home to help defend DRG scouts everything combat shields for Hack lings in the natural of Hack only 2 scvs are killed Spire for DRG 1-1 started for Hack
10:00 T: 72 vs 85 baneling speed for DRG Hack lands his 3rd base bunker behind the 3rd mineral line for Hack medivacs for Hack lings scout the landed 3rd
11:00 107 vs 108 macro hatch for DRG 2 more gas for DRG 2-2 for DRG concussive shells for Hack +1 flier attack for DRG ling runby to the 3rd of Hack is defended by the bunker widow mines for Hack armory for Hack Hack cleaning up some creep tumors
12:00 112 vs 107 DRG trades poorly with some banes more lings and banes coming out for DRG more creep tumors being killed off Hack is finally pushed back 2-2 started for Hack mutas started for DRG spore for DRG
13:00 125 vs 119 4th base for DRG overlord speed for DRG 2 more rax for Hack 2nd factory for Hack small bio attack at the 4th of DRG is defended mutas start damaging the medivacs
14:00 130 vs 152 4th CC for Hack +2 flier attack for DRG +1 vehicle armor for Hack more mutas for DRG
15:00 157 vs 176 drop of Hack is scouted and chased down by mutas drilling claws for Hack 2 more gas for DRG Hack pushing across the map towards the 4th again
16:00 173 vs 186 DRG pushes back the attack with his mutal ing bane army mutas killing off most of the medivacs as Hack retreats Hack down to 2 medivacs 5th base for DRG
17:00 154 vs 195 4th base attempt by Hack is blocked by overlord creep infestation pit for DRG thor for Hack
18:00 178 vs 200 Hack takes his 4th PF morphing at the 4th Hack adding on more missile turrets DRG attacks between the 3rd and 4th of Hack armies trade and DRG rebuilds mutas attack the 4th of Hack all the turrets but 1 are killed
19:00 140 vs 191 mutas bounce into the main and start killing marines as they spawn scvs in the main are going down Hive for DRG mutas in the natural now widow mines killing rallying lings in the middle of the map 33 scvs killed now widow mine attempting to burrow at DRG's 4th is killed
20:00 132 vs 189 double drop at the 5th of DRG the drop is chased away by lings and banes ling bane attack at the 4th of Hack kills all of the scvs mutas in the natural of Hack force a lift and kill off the scvs Hack down to 29 scvs with over 50 killed by DRG mutas kill the natural OC 3-3 started for DRG
On January 23 2014 19:12 bo1b wrote: Dat drg vs biomine play
Remember DRG vs Inno. That was a sick series.
edit: Now the same, but with weaker WMs
I can't believe someone would want to play bio mine vs drg on this map, when inno at his peak couldn't do it pre wm nerf
Well it is a huge map and it takes forever to get mech army cross spawn.. Also he is obviously not as comfortable with mech as some other terrans like Flash or Supernova.
0:00 Hack spawns in the top right DongRaeGu spawns in the bottom left
1:40 rax first for Hack gas for Hack
2:00 Hatch first for DRG DRG sending out a drone scout pool for DRG reaper for Hack
3:00 2nd reaper for Hack
4:00 drone scout killed by the first reaper CC on the low ground pocket expansion for Hack Factory for Hack first reaper arrives at the main of DRG reactor for Hack
5:00 2nd reaper joins up with the first and enters the main of DRG creep tumor is killed by the reapers 3rd CC for Hack reactored hellion production started for Hack double gas for DRG
6:00 2nd gas for Hack 2 hellions and 2 reapers kill off another creep tumor
7:00 46 vs 60 DRG scouts the 3rd CC ling speed for DRG stim research for Hack double evo for DRG 4 gas for DRG reaper gets into the natural of DRG and scouts the 4 gas double ebay for Hack 2 more rax for Hack 1-1 ling upgrades started for DRG
8:00 53 vs 70 Lair for DRG hellions and reapers damaging queens creep makes it down DRG's main ramp Starport for Hack more lings for DRG as ling speed finishes 3rd base for DRG baneling nest for DRG
9:00 67 vs 82 lings get into the main of Hack hellions come home to help defend DRG scouts everything combat shields for Hack lings in the natural of Hack only 2 scvs are killed Spire for DRG 1-1 started for Hack
10:00 T: 72 vs 85 baneling speed for DRG Hack lands his 3rd base bunker behind the 3rd mineral line for Hack medivacs for Hack lings scout the landed 3rd
11:00 107 vs 108 macro hatch for DRG 2 more gas for DRG 2-2 for DRG concussive shells for Hack +1 flier attack for DRG ling runby to the 3rd of Hack is defended by the bunker widow mines for Hack armory for Hack Hack cleaning up some creep tumors
12:00 112 vs 107 DRG trades poorly with some banes more lings and banes coming out for DRG more creep tumors being killed off Hack is finally pushed back 2-2 started for Hack mutas started for DRG spore for DRG
13:00 125 vs 119 4th base for DRG overlord speed for DRG 2 more rax for Hack 2nd factory for Hack small bio attack at the 4th of DRG is defended mutas start damaging the medivacs
14:00 130 vs 152 4th CC for Hack +2 flier attack for DRG +1 vehicle armor for Hack more mutas for DRG
15:00 157 vs 176 drop of Hack is scouted and chased down by mutas drilling claws for Hack 2 more gas for DRG Hack pushing across the map towards the 4th again
16:00 173 vs 186 DRG pushes back the attack with his mutal ing bane army mutas killing off most of the medivacs as Hack retreats Hack down to 2 medivacs 5th base for DRG
17:00 154 vs 195 4th base attempt by Hack is blocked by overlord creep infestation pit for DRG thor for Hack
18:00 178 vs 200 Hack takes his 4th PF morphing at the 4th Hack adding on more missile turrets DRG attacks between the 3rd and 4th of Hack armies trade and DRG rebuilds mutas attack the 4th of Hack all the turrets but 1 are killed
19:00 140 vs 191 mutas bounce into the main and start killing marines as they spawn scvs in the main are going down Hive for DRG mutas in the natural now widow mines killing rallying lings in the middle of the map 33 scvs killed now widow mine attempting to burrow at DRG's 4th is killed
20:00 132 vs 189 double drop at the 5th of DRG the drop is chased away by lings and banes ling bane attack at the 4th of Hack kills all of the scvs mutas in the natural of Hack force a lift and kill off the scvs Hack down to 29 scvs with over 50 killed by DRG mutas kill the natural OC 3-3 started for DRG
21:00 150 vs 188 double drop at the 5th of DRG again DRG is able to chase the drop away but loses some drones mutas in the 3rd of Hack killing even more scvs drop at the natural of DRG is forced away mutas killing all of the add ons in Hack's main Hack just sending his army across the mpa DRG morphing a ton of banes to defend
22:00 154 vs 188 Hack walks onto creep and DRG strikes Hack loses about half of his army Hack attacking the 4th of DRG more banelings roll in Hack kills the 4th and is able to save 2 medvicas worth of units 4th base restarted for DRG drop in the main of DRG is killing queens
23:00 94 vs 182 widow mines kill some distance mining drones from the rebuilding 4th of DRG +3 attack started for Hack widow mines at the 4th of DRG are cleaned up Hack regroups his army and starts pushing across the map again DRG forces a lift on all of the units
24:00 79 vs 184 DRG cleans up the rest of Hack's army Hack ggs! DRG wins game 1!
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
11%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Hack vs. DongRaeGu Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
On January 23 2014 19:12 bo1b wrote: Dat drg vs biomine play
Remember DRG vs Inno. That was a sick series.
edit: Now the same, but with weaker WMs
I can't believe someone would want to play bio mine vs drg on this map, when inno at his peak couldn't do it pre wm nerf
Well it is a huge map and it takes forever to get mech army cross spawn.. Also he is obviously not as comfortable with mech as some other terrans like Flash or Supernova.
I can dig that, but it still seems like suicide to go up against (imo) the best zvsbiomine player in the world on a map that big
On January 23 2014 19:23 WGT-Baal wrote: So we are looking at a possible TvT series!
While it'd be sad to see my few Terran brethren forced to slaughter each other, TvT is such a nice treat to watch (and a rare one as well)! But not until I'm finally at work, please .
0:00 Hack spawns in the top right DongRaeGu spawns in the bottom left
1:40 rax first for Hack gas for Hack
2:00 hatch first for DRg pool for DRG reaper for Hack gas for DRG
3:00 2nd reaper for Hack 6 lings for DRG CC on the low ground for Hack first reaper in the main of DRG
4:00 Factory for Hack ling speed for DRG reactor for Hack DRG saving his drones with spore build/cancel 3rd CC for Hack
5:00 reactored hellion production started for Hack tech lab for Hack bunker in the natural for Hack 3rd hatch for DRG
6:00 stim research for Hack DRG breaking down the rocks to his 3rd 12 more lings for DRG
7:00 48 vs 60 hellions scout the 3rd of DRG 2 more rax for Hack another 2 gas for DRG double evo for DRG double ebay for Hack
8:00 58 vs 69 2 more gas for Hack hellions and reapers denying creep spread 1-1 ling upgrades for DRG 1-1 started for Hack Lair for DRG Marauder production started for Hack DRG breaking down the rocks to access the bottom right base area
9:00 72 vs 91 Starport for Hack combat shields for Hack baneling nest for DRg 2 more gas for DRG 2 more rax for Hack macro hatch for DRG baneling speed for DRG spire for DRG
10:00 91 vs 104 medivacs started for Hack armory for Hack Hack lands his 3rd base bunker in the 3rd base mineral line for Hack 4th base for DRG in the bottom right concussive shells for Hack
Hack's macro is actually sick good this game, his supply counts are up there with Innovation in his prime. But without widow mines and with forgetting upgrades he isn't in as good a position and he could have been.
0:00 Hack spawns in the top right DongRaeGu spawns in the bottom left
1:40 rax first for Hack gas for Hack
2:00 hatch first for DRg pool for DRG reaper for Hack gas for DRG
3:00 2nd reaper for Hack 6 lings for DRG CC on the low ground for Hack first reaper in the main of DRG
4:00 Factory for Hack ling speed for DRG reactor for Hack DRG saving his drones with spore build/cancel 3rd CC for Hack
5:00 reactored hellion production started for Hack tech lab for Hack bunker in the natural for Hack 3rd hatch for DRG
6:00 stim research for Hack DRG breaking down the rocks to his 3rd 12 more lings for DRG
7:00 48 vs 60 hellions scout the 3rd of DRG 2 more rax for Hack another 2 gas for DRG double evo for DRG double ebay for Hack
8:00 58 vs 69 2 more gas for Hack hellions and reapers denying creep spread 1-1 ling upgrades for DRG 1-1 started for Hack Lair for DRG Marauder production started for Hack DRG breaking down the rocks to access the bottom right base area
9:00 72 vs 91 Starport for Hack combat shields for Hack baneling nest for DRg 2 more gas for DRG 2 more rax for Hack macro hatch for DRG baneling speed for DRG spire for DRG
10:00 91 vs 104 medivacs started for Hack armory for Hack Hack lands his 3rd base bunker in the 3rd base mineral line for Hack 4th base for DRG in the bottom right concussive shells for Hack
11:00 121 vs 121 2-2 started for DRG Hack moving out on the map cleaning up creep 42 lings coming out for DRG widow miens for Hack double drop at the 4th of DRG DRG is able to force it away with lings and banes
12:00 150 vs 143 2-2 started for Hack +1 flier attack for DRG mutas for DRG 2nd factory for Hack 3 more rax for Hack Hack pushing onto creep again DRG engages the army of Hack
13:00 134 vs 149 the armies trade and Hack backs off creep DRG regroups and attacks again Hack splits against the army and is able to hold his position DRG morphing in more banelings Hack moves onto the ramp to DRG's 4th DRG is able to force a lift on the army of Hack and push it away
14:00 139 vs 142 DRG follows Hack across the map banelings roll into the 3rd base mineral line and kill the bunker more lings rallying in Hack is low on army 2-2 is done for DRG more scvs are going down reinforcements for Hack are able to push DRG back
15:00 119 vs 134 DRG takes the gas at his 4th base 3-3 started for Hack overlords speed for DRG Hack moving out on the map again
Hack's done. Mech may have been usable on this map, but imo bio-mine against this comp especially against DRG is not exactly the best unit comp to use.
0:00 Hack spawns in the top right DongRaeGu spawns in the bottom left
1:40 rax first for Hack gas for Hack
2:00 hatch first for DRg pool for DRG reaper for Hack gas for DRG
3:00 2nd reaper for Hack 6 lings for DRG CC on the low ground for Hack first reaper in the main of DRG
4:00 Factory for Hack ling speed for DRG reactor for Hack DRG saving his drones with spore build/cancel 3rd CC for Hack
5:00 reactored hellion production started for Hack tech lab for Hack bunker in the natural for Hack 3rd hatch for DRG
6:00 stim research for Hack DRG breaking down the rocks to his 3rd 12 more lings for DRG
7:00 48 vs 60 hellions scout the 3rd of DRG 2 more rax for Hack another 2 gas for DRG double evo for DRG double ebay for Hack
8:00 58 vs 69 2 more gas for Hack hellions and reapers denying creep spread 1-1 ling upgrades for DRG 1-1 started for Hack Lair for DRG Marauder production started for Hack DRG breaking down the rocks to access the bottom right base area
9:00 72 vs 91 Starport for Hack combat shields for Hack baneling nest for DRg 2 more gas for DRG 2 more rax for Hack macro hatch for DRG baneling speed for DRG spire for DRG
10:00 91 vs 104 medivacs started for Hack armory for Hack Hack lands his 3rd base bunker in the 3rd base mineral line for Hack 4th base for DRG in the bottom right concussive shells for Hack
11:00 121 vs 121 2-2 started for DRG Hack moving out on the map cleaning up creep 42 lings coming out for DRG widow miens for Hack double drop at the 4th of DRG DRG is able to force it away with lings and banes
12:00 150 vs 143 2-2 started for Hack +1 flier attack for DRG mutas for DRG 2nd factory for Hack 3 more rax for Hack Hack pushing onto creep again DRG engages the army of Hack
13:00 134 vs 149 the armies trade and Hack backs off creep DRG regroups and attacks again Hack splits against the army and is able to hold his position DRG morphing in more banelings Hack moves onto the ramp to DRG's 4th DRG is able to force a lift on the army of Hack and push it away
14:00 139 vs 142 DRG follows Hack across the map banelings roll into the 3rd base mineral line and kill the bunker more lings rallying in Hack is low on army 2-2 is done for DRG more scvs are going down reinforcements for Hack are able to push DRG back
15:00 119 vs 134 DRG takes the gas at his 4th base 3-3 started for Hack overlords speed for DRG Hack moving out on the map again
16:00 128 vs 144 armies engage on the edge of creep mutas kill off all of the medivacs army of Hack is pushed back DRG loses some mutas on move command to reinforcement marines more lings rally in before medivacs arrive and kill more marines
17:00 121 vs 151 DRG pushes into the 3rd of Hack Hack losing his medivacs again DRG attacking the 3rd OC of Hack scvs are pulled off the line DRG kills off all the units that rally in to defend the 3rd Hack is finally able to push the mutas away
18:00 122 vs 146 mutas move into the main of Hack 5th base for DRG more medivacs going down marines being killed as they spawn Hack finally pulls back his army to the main drop at the 5th of DRG ling bane attack at the 3rd of Hack
19:00 128 vs 167 all of the scvs at the 3rd of DRG are killed mutas target down the OC 5th of DRG is killed widow mines kill a bunch of banes and lings drop in the main of DRG is defended easily Hack restarts his 3rd
20:00 130 vs 170 DRG attacks int the natural of Hack widow mines defend well against banelings
On January 23 2014 19:36 Aando wrote: Has this parade pushing been working lately? I feel every time I see it, it doesn't end well. But I might just tune in to the wrong games.
Yeah, DRG almost has Hack's main base. He's parading very hard with ling/bling/muta :D
On January 23 2014 19:36 Aando wrote: Has this parade pushing been working lately? I feel every time I see it, it doesn't end well. But I might just tune in to the wrong games.
Yeah, DRG almost has Hack's main base. He's parading very hard with ling/bling/muta :D
0:00 Hack spawns in the top right DongRaeGu spawns in the bottom left
1:40 rax first for Hack gas for Hack
2:00 hatch first for DRg pool for DRG reaper for Hack gas for DRG
3:00 2nd reaper for Hack 6 lings for DRG CC on the low ground for Hack first reaper in the main of DRG
4:00 Factory for Hack ling speed for DRG reactor for Hack DRG saving his drones with spore build/cancel 3rd CC for Hack
5:00 reactored hellion production started for Hack tech lab for Hack bunker in the natural for Hack 3rd hatch for DRG
6:00 stim research for Hack DRG breaking down the rocks to his 3rd 12 more lings for DRG
7:00 48 vs 60 hellions scout the 3rd of DRG 2 more rax for Hack another 2 gas for DRG double evo for DRG double ebay for Hack
8:00 58 vs 69 2 more gas for Hack hellions and reapers denying creep spread 1-1 ling upgrades for DRG 1-1 started for Hack Lair for DRG Marauder production started for Hack DRG breaking down the rocks to access the bottom right base area
9:00 72 vs 91 Starport for Hack combat shields for Hack baneling nest for DRg 2 more gas for DRG 2 more rax for Hack macro hatch for DRG baneling speed for DRG spire for DRG
10:00 91 vs 104 medivacs started for Hack armory for Hack Hack lands his 3rd base bunker in the 3rd base mineral line for Hack 4th base for DRG in the bottom right concussive shells for Hack
11:00 121 vs 121 2-2 started for DRG Hack moving out on the map cleaning up creep 42 lings coming out for DRG widow miens for Hack double drop at the 4th of DRG DRG is able to force it away with lings and banes
12:00 150 vs 143 2-2 started for Hack +1 flier attack for DRG mutas for DRG 2nd factory for Hack 3 more rax for Hack Hack pushing onto creep again DRG engages the army of Hack
13:00 134 vs 149 the armies trade and Hack backs off creep DRG regroups and attacks again Hack splits against the army and is able to hold his position DRG morphing in more banelings Hack moves onto the ramp to DRG's 4th DRG is able to force a lift on the army of Hack and push it away
14:00 139 vs 142 DRG follows Hack across the map banelings roll into the 3rd base mineral line and kill the bunker more lings rallying in Hack is low on army 2-2 is done for DRG more scvs are going down reinforcements for Hack are able to push DRG back
15:00 119 vs 134 DRG takes the gas at his 4th base 3-3 started for Hack overlords speed for DRG Hack moving out on the map again
16:00 128 vs 144 armies engage on the edge of creep mutas kill off all of the medivacs army of Hack is pushed back DRG loses some mutas on move command to reinforcement marines more lings rally in before medivacs arrive and kill more marines
17:00 121 vs 151 DRG pushes into the 3rd of Hack Hack losing his medivacs again DRG attacking the 3rd OC of Hack scvs are pulled off the line DRG kills off all the units that rally in to defend the 3rd Hack is finally able to push the mutas away
18:00 122 vs 146 mutas move into the main of Hack 5th base for DRG more medivacs going down marines being killed as they spawn Hack finally pulls back his army to the main drop at the 5th of DRG ling bane attack at the 3rd of Hack
19:00 128 vs 167 all of the scvs at the 3rd of DRG are killed mutas target down the OC 5th of DRG is killed widow mines kill a bunch of banes and lings drop in the main of DRG is defended easily Hack restarts his 3rd
20:00 130 vs 170 DRG attacks int the natural of Hack widow mines defend well against banelings
21:00 112 vs 170 Hack is able to hold against the ground forces but mutas are killing scvs in the main mutas move around towards the 3rd of Hack 53 scvs have been killed by DRG vs 0 by Hack
22:00 110 vs 180 5th base restarted for DRG drop at the 5th of DRG is cleaned up 5 medivac drop heads for the 4th of DRG but is spotted main army of DRG heads off the army of Hack Hack is able to get back to his 3rd and DRG backs off
23:00 122 vs 193 infestation pit for DRG mutas in the natural of Hack Hack is mined out of his main and basically mined out of his natural Hack tries to set up a marine trap on the mutas but mutas just kill the low number of marines Hack lifts his natural OC mutas move into the main of Hack
24:00 128 vs 194 mutas are chased out of the main widow miens trying to head off the mutas in every direction but they escape mutas at the 3rd of Hack missile turret at the 3rd falls because Hack ran out of repair money Hack ggs! DRG wins 2-0!
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
8%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Hack vs. DongRaeGu Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Hack vs. DongRaeGu Game 3?
★★★- Good game (4)
67%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
17%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
17%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Hack vs. DongRaeGu Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
On January 23 2014 19:36 Aando wrote: Has this parade pushing been working lately? I feel every time I see it, it doesn't end well. But I might just tune in to the wrong games.
Hack made it work in IEM against Savage. But DRG is something else. :D
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
8%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Hack vs. DongRaeGu Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Hack vs. DongRaeGu Game 3?
★★★- Good game (4)
67%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
17%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
17%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Hack vs. DongRaeGu Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Max 7 Terran in Code S... and that's only if the winner of Hack/Reality advances today, Dream & Ryung advance tomorrow, and the player replacing jjakji is a Terran.
On January 23 2014 19:36 Aando wrote: Has this parade pushing been working lately? I feel every time I see it, it doesn't end well. But I might just tune in to the wrong games.
Hack made it work in IEM against Savage. But DRG is something else. :D
Drg has been "back" since last wcs season. Just vs terrans only
"we feel that the tvz matchup has gotten too stale, so in the hopes of promoting diversity we are reducing the splash radius of banelings to 1/4 a unit square"
On January 23 2014 19:44 Talack wrote: "we feel that the tvz matchup has gotten too stale, so in the hopes of promoting diversity we are reducing the splash radius of banelings to 1/4 a unit square"
Why won't they just rebuff the widow mine god damnit.
Buffing mech from being garbage to slightly better isn't a good reason to neuter a really really good matchup
On January 23 2014 19:44 Talack wrote: "we feel that the tvz matchup has gotten too stale, so in the hopes of promoting diversity we are reducing the splash radius of banelings to 1/4 a unit square"
Why won't they just rebuff the widow mine god damnit.
Buffing mech from being garbage to slightly better isn't a good reason to neuter a really really good matchup
They won't reverse patch because that would be hard to justify to upper management: Patch + reverse = nothing done. They won't reverse the oracle for the same reason.
On January 23 2014 19:44 Talack wrote: "we feel that the tvz matchup has gotten too stale, so in the hopes of promoting diversity we are reducing the splash radius of banelings to 1/4 a unit square"
Why won't they just rebuff the widow mine god damnit.
Buffing mech from being garbage to slightly better isn't a good reason to neuter a really really good matchup
They won't reverse patch because that would be hard to justify to upper management: Patch + reverse = nothing done. They won't reverse the oracle for the same reason.
I'm glad you know the exact ins and outs of what working at Blizzard is like!
0:00 Sora spawns in the top left DongRaeGu spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for Sora
2:00 gas for Sora Hatch first for DRG probe scout for Sora sees the hatch first Sora drops a pylon in the natural of DRG overlord sees the gateway first Sora cancels the pylon in the natural of DRG gas for DRG pool for DRG
3:00 Nexus for Sora 2nd gas for Sora Cybernetics core for Sora
4:00 ling speed for DRG zealot for Sora 6 lings for DRG MSC for Sora stalker for Sora 10 more lings for DRG
5:00 Sora trying to start the wall off with another gate but lings get into the natural and kill Sora's zealot probes and stalkers hold the main ramp 16 more lings for DRG Sora finishing his wall with more pylons and a stalker plugging the hole
On January 23 2014 19:44 Talack wrote: "we feel that the tvz matchup has gotten too stale, so in the hopes of promoting diversity we are reducing the splash radius of banelings to 1/4 a unit square"
Why won't they just rebuff the widow mine god damnit.
Buffing mech from being garbage to slightly better isn't a good reason to neuter a really really good matchup
HOTS TvZ was really exciting before the change, it's too bad honestly.
Mech has to be one of the worst things in the world to watch, I honestly dunno why anyone would enjoy having that be the dominate form of play again.
0:00 Sora spawns in the top left DongRaeGu spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for Sora
2:00 gas for Sora Hatch first for DRG probe scout for Sora sees the hatch first Sora drops a pylon in the natural of DRG overlord sees the gateway first Sora cancels the pylon in the natural of DRG gas for DRG pool for DRG
3:00 Nexus for Sora 2nd gas for Sora Cybernetics core for Sora
4:00 ling speed for DRG zealot for Sora 6 lings for DRG MSC for Sora stalker for Sora 10 more lings for DRG
5:00 Sora trying to start the wall off with another gate but lings get into the natural and kill Sora's zealot probes and stalkers hold the main ramp 16 more lings for DRG Sora finishing his wall with more pylons and a stalker plugging the hole
6:00 ling speed finishes for DRG stalker falls but Sora gets pylons behind the stalker to keep the wall off another gate for Sora DRG breaking through the wall photon overcharge for Sora in the natural building gate has to be canceled pylon to block the main wall forcefield on the main ramp more lings rallying in Sora adding another gate to his natural wall but another pylon fell in the naturla wall opening a hole sentry spawns on the wrong side of the main wall and falls to lings more and more lings being made for DRG
7:00 37 vs 41 forge finishes for Sora probes in the natural are pulled photon overcharge ends warpgate is finished for Sora +1 attack started for Sora DRG killing off the pylons in the natural of Sora 2 more gates for Sora
8:00 33 vs 43 lings attacking the natural nexus natural nexus of Sora falls all buildings in the natural of Sora are destroyed Sora breaking down his main base all
9:00 40 vs 50 DRG droning up again MSC moving across the map MSC has 35 kills 3rd base for DRG lings hiding in the naturla of Sora Sora starts his nautrla nexus lings flood in and get a surround on Sora's army forcefields are dropped but a few ligns still get in +1 finishes for Sora and he is able to hold off the lings
10:00 52 vs 50 twilight council for Sora Roach warren for DRG Sora walling off his natural with his gate and twilight council Burrow research started for DRG another gas for DRG spine in the natural for DRG
0:00 Sora spawns in the top left DongRaeGu spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for Sora
2:00 gas for Sora Hatch first for DRG probe scout for Sora sees the hatch first Sora drops a pylon in the natural of DRG overlord sees the gateway first Sora cancels the pylon in the natural of DRG gas for DRG pool for DRG
3:00 Nexus for Sora 2nd gas for Sora Cybernetics core for Sora
4:00 ling speed for DRG zealot for Sora 6 lings for DRG MSC for Sora stalker for Sora 10 more lings for DRG
5:00 Sora trying to start the wall off with another gate but lings get into the natural and kill Sora's zealot probes and stalkers hold the main ramp 16 more lings for DRG Sora finishing his wall with more pylons and a stalker plugging the hole
6:00 ling speed finishes for DRG stalker falls but Sora gets pylons behind the stalker to keep the wall off another gate for Sora DRG breaking through the wall photon overcharge for Sora in the natural building gate has to be canceled pylon to block the main wall forcefield on the main ramp more lings rallying in Sora adding another gate to his natural wall but another pylon fell in the naturla wall opening a hole sentry spawns on the wrong side of the main wall and falls to lings more and more lings being made for DRG
7:00 37 vs 41 forge finishes for Sora probes in the natural are pulled photon overcharge ends warpgate is finished for Sora +1 attack started for Sora DRG killing off the pylons in the natural of Sora 2 more gates for Sora
8:00 33 vs 43 lings attacking the natural nexus natural nexus of Sora falls all buildings in the natural of Sora are destroyed Sora breaking down his main base all
9:00 40 vs 50 DRG droning up again MSC moving across the map MSC has 35 kills 3rd base for DRG lings hiding in the naturla of Sora Sora starts his nautrla nexus lings flood in and get a surround on Sora's army forcefields are dropped but a few ligns still get in +1 finishes for Sora and he is able to hold off the lings
10:00 52 vs 50 twilight council for Sora Roach warren for DRG Sora walling off his natural with his gate and twilight council Burrow research started for DRG another gas for DRG spine in the natural for DRG
11:00 58 vs 67 Roaches started for DRG Lair for DRG evo for DRG 2 more gas for Sora
12:00 62 vs 71 +2 attack started for Sora 2 more gates for Sora +1 range attack for DRG charge research started for Sora Templar archives for Sora another gate for Sora
13:00 65 vs 96 another gas for DRG Roach speed for DRG Robo for Sora ling blocking the potential 3rd of Sora with burrow 2nd robo for Sora infestation pit for DRG blink research for Sora DRG making more lings
14:00 77 vs 119 Spire for DRG ling blocking the gold base location observer for Sora DRG moving on the map with his roach ling army more gas for DRG double immortal started for Sora 4th base for DRG in the bottom right pathogen glands for DRG
15:00 98 vs 136 +1 carapace for DRG Warp prism for Sora 2nd evo for DRG more roaches and lings for DRG Sora moving out on the map with his 2 immortals DRG triest of lank with lings but Sora forcefields them away
0:00 Sora spawns in the top left DongRaeGu spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for Sora
2:00 gas for Sora Hatch first for DRG probe scout for Sora sees the hatch first Sora drops a pylon in the natural of DRG overlord sees the gateway first Sora cancels the pylon in the natural of DRG gas for DRG pool for DRG
3:00 Nexus for Sora 2nd gas for Sora Cybernetics core for Sora
4:00 ling speed for DRG zealot for Sora 6 lings for DRG MSC for Sora stalker for Sora 10 more lings for DRG
5:00 Sora trying to start the wall off with another gate but lings get into the natural and kill Sora's zealot probes and stalkers hold the main ramp 16 more lings for DRG Sora finishing his wall with more pylons and a stalker plugging the hole
6:00 ling speed finishes for DRG stalker falls but Sora gets pylons behind the stalker to keep the wall off another gate for Sora DRG breaking through the wall photon overcharge for Sora in the natural building gate has to be canceled pylon to block the main wall forcefield on the main ramp more lings rallying in Sora adding another gate to his natural wall but another pylon fell in the naturla wall opening a hole sentry spawns on the wrong side of the main wall and falls to lings more and more lings being made for DRG
7:00 37 vs 41 forge finishes for Sora probes in the natural are pulled photon overcharge ends warpgate is finished for Sora +1 attack started for Sora DRG killing off the pylons in the natural of Sora 2 more gates for Sora
8:00 33 vs 43 lings attacking the natural nexus natural nexus of Sora falls all buildings in the natural of Sora are destroyed Sora breaking down his main base all
9:00 40 vs 50 DRG droning up again MSC moving across the map MSC has 35 kills 3rd base for DRG lings hiding in the naturla of Sora Sora starts his nautrla nexus lings flood in and get a surround on Sora's army forcefields are dropped but a few ligns still get in +1 finishes for Sora and he is able to hold off the lings
10:00 52 vs 50 twilight council for Sora Roach warren for DRG Sora walling off his natural with his gate and twilight council Burrow research started for DRG another gas for DRG spine in the natural for DRG
11:00 58 vs 67 Roaches started for DRG Lair for DRG evo for DRG 2 more gas for Sora
12:00 62 vs 71 +2 attack started for Sora 2 more gates for Sora +1 range attack for DRG charge research started for Sora Templar archives for Sora another gate for Sora
13:00 65 vs 96 another gas for DRG Roach speed for DRG Robo for Sora ling blocking the potential 3rd of Sora with burrow 2nd robo for Sora infestation pit for DRG blink research for Sora DRG making more lings
14:00 77 vs 119 Spire for DRG ling blocking the gold base location observer for Sora DRG moving on the map with his roach ling army more gas for DRG double immortal started for Sora 4th base for DRG in the bottom right pathogen glands for DRG
15:00 98 vs 136 +1 carapace for DRG Warp prism for Sora 2nd evo for DRG more roaches and lings for DRG Sora moving out on the map with his 2 immortals DRG triest of lank with lings but Sora forcefields them away
16:00 110 vs 173 infestors started for DRG Sora gets a forward pylon up Warp prism joins up with the army chrono on Sora's gates Sora pushing into the 3rd of DRG forcefields trap a large part of DRG's army timewarp on the roaches infestors spawn and fungal the army of Sora
17:00 121 vs 152 DRG moves in with his main army forcefields are dropped sentries are being killed off warp prism microing immortals drones are pulled by DRG more units flood in Sora has no more forcefields Sora's army is cleaned up except for the warp prism and 1 immortal Dark shrine for Sora 2 more immortals for Sora +2 range attack for DRG Robo bay for Sora
18:00 66 vs 137 5 more infestors on the way for DRG MSC rebuilding for Sora gold base of Sora is blocked by a burrowed ling DRG moving across the map Colossus production started for Sora
19:00 91 vs 177 DRG fungals the army of Sora in the natural and then backs off ling blocks another nexus of Sora DTs being warped in for Sora Sora has mined out his main
20:00 103 vs 191 warp prism harass in the main of DRG DTs in the natural of DRG DT in the 3rd of DRG warp rism and zealots cleaned up in the main of DRG overseers are out for DRG and is cleaning up the DTs 3rd base for Sora Sora has killed 30 workers +1 melee for DRG +2 carapace for DRG overlord speed for DRG
0:00 Sora spawns in the top left DongRaeGu spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for Sora
2:00 gas for Sora Hatch first for DRG probe scout for Sora sees the hatch first Sora drops a pylon in the natural of DRG overlord sees the gateway first Sora cancels the pylon in the natural of DRG gas for DRG pool for DRG
3:00 Nexus for Sora 2nd gas for Sora Cybernetics core for Sora
4:00 ling speed for DRG zealot for Sora 6 lings for DRG MSC for Sora stalker for Sora 10 more lings for DRG
5:00 Sora trying to start the wall off with another gate but lings get into the natural and kill Sora's zealot probes and stalkers hold the main ramp 16 more lings for DRG Sora finishing his wall with more pylons and a stalker plugging the hole
6:00 ling speed finishes for DRG stalker falls but Sora gets pylons behind the stalker to keep the wall off another gate for Sora DRG breaking through the wall photon overcharge for Sora in the natural building gate has to be canceled pylon to block the main wall forcefield on the main ramp more lings rallying in Sora adding another gate to his natural wall but another pylon fell in the naturla wall opening a hole sentry spawns on the wrong side of the main wall and falls to lings more and more lings being made for DRG
7:00 37 vs 41 forge finishes for Sora probes in the natural are pulled photon overcharge ends warpgate is finished for Sora +1 attack started for Sora DRG killing off the pylons in the natural of Sora 2 more gates for Sora
8:00 33 vs 43 lings attacking the natural nexus natural nexus of Sora falls all buildings in the natural of Sora are destroyed Sora breaking down his main base all
9:00 40 vs 50 DRG droning up again MSC moving across the map MSC has 35 kills 3rd base for DRG lings hiding in the naturla of Sora Sora starts his nautrla nexus lings flood in and get a surround on Sora's army forcefields are dropped but a few ligns still get in +1 finishes for Sora and he is able to hold off the lings
10:00 52 vs 50 twilight council for Sora Roach warren for DRG Sora walling off his natural with his gate and twilight council Burrow research started for DRG another gas for DRG spine in the natural for DRG
11:00 58 vs 67 Roaches started for DRG Lair for DRG evo for DRG 2 more gas for Sora
12:00 62 vs 71 +2 attack started for Sora 2 more gates for Sora +1 range attack for DRG charge research started for Sora Templar archives for Sora another gate for Sora
13:00 65 vs 96 another gas for DRG Roach speed for DRG Robo for Sora ling blocking the potential 3rd of Sora with burrow 2nd robo for Sora infestation pit for DRG blink research for Sora DRG making more lings
14:00 77 vs 119 Spire for DRG ling blocking the gold base location observer for Sora DRG moving on the map with his roach ling army more gas for DRG double immortal started for Sora 4th base for DRG in the bottom right pathogen glands for DRG
15:00 98 vs 136 +1 carapace for DRG Warp prism for Sora 2nd evo for DRG more roaches and lings for DRG Sora moving out on the map with his 2 immortals DRG triest of lank with lings but Sora forcefields them away
16:00 110 vs 173 infestors started for DRG Sora gets a forward pylon up Warp prism joins up with the army chrono on Sora's gates Sora pushing into the 3rd of DRG forcefields trap a large part of DRG's army timewarp on the roaches infestors spawn and fungal the army of Sora
17:00 121 vs 152 DRG moves in with his main army forcefields are dropped sentries are being killed off warp prism microing immortals drones are pulled by DRG more units flood in Sora has no more forcefields Sora's army is cleaned up except for the warp prism and 1 immortal Dark shrine for Sora 2 more immortals for Sora +2 range attack for DRG Robo bay for Sora
18:00 66 vs 137 5 more infestors on the way for DRG MSC rebuilding for Sora gold base of Sora is blocked by a burrowed ling DRG moving across the map Colossus production started for Sora
19:00 91 vs 177 DRG fungals the army of Sora in the natural and then backs off ling blocks another nexus of Sora DTs being warped in for Sora Sora has mined out his main
20:00 103 vs 191 warp prism harass in the main of DRG DTs in the natural of DRG DT in the 3rd of DRG warp rism and zealots cleaned up in the main of DRG overseers are out for DRG and is cleaning up the DTs 3rd base for Sora Sora has killed 30 workers +1 melee for DRG +2 carapace for DRG overlord speed for DRG
21:00 111 vs 181 spores and spines going up for DRG Extended thermal lance research started for Sora DRG heading towards the 4th of Sora warp prism harass at the 3rd of DRG Corruptors started for DRG DRG attacking at Sora's 3rd Sora's army is fungaled a rallying colossus is killed
22:00 82 vs 159 Sora's army is surrounded and killed off zealot harass at the 3rd and natural of DRG is cleaned up b y roaches 3rd of Sora is killed off MSC of Sora is killed by infested terrans Sora ggs! DongRaeGu wins game 1!
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
0:00 Sora spawns in the bottom left DongRaeGu spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for Sora
2:00 hatch first for DRG double gas for Sora 3rd hatch before pool for DRG cybernetics core for Sora
3:00 zealot for Sora gas for DRG pool for DRG Nexus for Sora MSC for Sora
4:00 Stalker for Sora MSC moving across the map ling speed for DRG robo for Sora MSC scouts the fast 3rd base
5:00 MSC starts attacking the 3rd of DRG 2 more gates for Sora MSC backs off Stalker denies overlord scout from seeing the robo immortal started for Sora
0:00 Sora spawns in the bottom left DongRaeGu spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for Sora
2:00 hatch first for DRG double gas for Sora 3rd hatch before pool for DRG cybernetics core for Sora
3:00 zealot for Sora gas for DRG pool for DRG Nexus for Sora MSC for Sora
4:00 Stalker for Sora MSC moving across the map ling speed for DRG robo for Sora MSC scouts the fast 3rd base
5:00 MSC starts attacking the 3rd of DRG 2 more gates for Sora MSC backs off Stalker denies overlord scout from seeing the robo immortal started for Sora
6:00 Roach warren for DRG 2nd immortal for Sora 2 more gates for Sora
7:00 50 vs 57 2 more gas for DRG DRG scouts the first immortal with his lings Warp prism for Sora lings started for DRG spine started at the top of the natural ramp Sora moving out on the map
8:00 63 vs 77 DRG is supply blocked observer for Sora 2nd spine for DRG Roaches for DRG lings trying to delay Sora Sora warps in more units and starts moving into the natural timewarp on the queens and roaches forcefield blocks the ling flank first spine falls roaches forcefielded away
9:00 71 vs 88 drones in the natural are pulled another spine for DRG Sora backs away from the natural and heads for the 3rd of DRG timewarp on the natural ramp 3 more gates for Sora a rerooting spine is killed Sora backs off creep and waprs in more units another immortal on the way for Sora
10:00 87 vs 111 DRG repositions a spine at his 3rd DRG breaks down the rocks between the natural and 3rd DRG makes a few more drones to get back up to 48 vs 40 probes of Sora Lair for DRG Sora moves back to his half of the map
0:00 Sora spawns in the bottom left DongRaeGu spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for Sora
2:00 hatch first for DRG double gas for Sora 3rd hatch before pool for DRG cybernetics core for Sora
3:00 zealot for Sora gas for DRG pool for DRG Nexus for Sora MSC for Sora
4:00 Stalker for Sora MSC moving across the map ling speed for DRG robo for Sora MSC scouts the fast 3rd base
5:00 MSC starts attacking the 3rd of DRG 2 more gates for Sora MSC backs off Stalker denies overlord scout from seeing the robo immortal started for Sora
6:00 Roach warren for DRG 2nd immortal for Sora 2 more gates for Sora
7:00 50 vs 57 2 more gas for DRG DRG scouts the first immortal with his lings Warp prism for Sora lings started for DRG spine started at the top of the natural ramp Sora moving out on the map
8:00 63 vs 77 DRG is supply blocked observer for Sora 2nd spine for DRG Roaches for DRG lings trying to delay Sora Sora warps in more units and starts moving into the natural timewarp on the queens and roaches forcefield blocks the ling flank first spine falls roaches forcefielded away
9:00 71 vs 88 drones in the natural are pulled another spine for DRG Sora backs away from the natural and heads for the 3rd of DRG timewarp on the natural ramp 3 more gates for Sora a rerooting spine is killed Sora backs off creep and waprs in more units another immortal on the way for Sora
10:00 87 vs 111 DRG repositions a spine at his 3rd DRG breaks down the rocks between the natural and 3rd DRG makes a few more drones to get back up to 48 vs 40 probes of Sora Lair for DRG Sora moves back to his half of the map
11:00 102 vs 125 2 more spines for DRG Sora moving across the map warp prism drops some units in the main of DRG but DRG defends DRG sends his whole army back to his main Sora attacks at the 3rd of DRG
12:00 114 vs 152 DRG is able to get his army back to his 3rd in time to set up a defense and Sora backs off Roach speed for DRG DRG repositions his spine engagement on creep between the natural and 3rd of DRG forcefield on the natural ramp queens transfusing roaches and spines
13:00 90 vs 153 DRG is able to close the distance after the forcefields are gone Sora trying to micro with his warp prism Sora loses all of his units DRG dances his roaches forge for Sora DRG moves across the map with his army MSC rebuilding for Sora spire for DRG 3 more gas for DRG DRG breaking down the rocks to Sora's natural with lings immortal drop in the main of DRG zealots warped into DRG's main DRG sends his army home main hatch of DRG is killed
14:00 80 vs 127 DRG is able to clean up the zealots and force the immortals and warp prism away main hatch restarted for DRG DRG only on 53 drones lings following the warp prism around the map
15:00 71 vs 121 +1 attack started for Sora double evo for DRG immortal harass attempt in the main of DRG doesnt do anything 4th base for DRG immortal drop forces a cancel on DRG's 4th mutas started for DRG 1-1 roach upgardes for DRG 4th base for DRG Sora loses 1 of his immortals to roaches
idk why he didnt ff the ramp and just wreck the natural, he had a great advantage. what kind of immo-sentry push stops short after killing a bit of stuff and retreats?
As a CJ fan i have to say that Sora is a lot overhyped thanks to that somewhat lucky one time good form WCG run . He doesn't seem solid and especially in PvZ he lacks a lot .
On January 23 2014 20:18 raga4ka wrote: As a CJ fan i have to say that Sora is a lot overhyped thanks to that somewhat lucky one time good form WCG run . He doesn't seem solid and especially in PvZ he lacks a lot .
Let me argue against that as a non-Sora-fan: I think his moves in PvZ so far show a lot of in-depth game understanding. His micro is pretty precise and on-point. I understand why he's hyped, though I don't follow the hype. I hate protoss as much as Zealously Roro, sry.
0:00 Sora spawns in the bottom left DongRaeGu spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for Sora
2:00 hatch first for DRG double gas for Sora 3rd hatch before pool for DRG cybernetics core for Sora
3:00 zealot for Sora gas for DRG pool for DRG Nexus for Sora MSC for Sora
4:00 Stalker for Sora MSC moving across the map ling speed for DRG robo for Sora MSC scouts the fast 3rd base
5:00 MSC starts attacking the 3rd of DRG 2 more gates for Sora MSC backs off Stalker denies overlord scout from seeing the robo immortal started for Sora
6:00 Roach warren for DRG 2nd immortal for Sora 2 more gates for Sora
7:00 50 vs 57 2 more gas for DRG DRG scouts the first immortal with his lings Warp prism for Sora lings started for DRG spine started at the top of the natural ramp Sora moving out on the map
8:00 63 vs 77 DRG is supply blocked observer for Sora 2nd spine for DRG Roaches for DRG lings trying to delay Sora Sora warps in more units and starts moving into the natural timewarp on the queens and roaches forcefield blocks the ling flank first spine falls roaches forcefielded away
9:00 71 vs 88 drones in the natural are pulled another spine for DRG Sora backs away from the natural and heads for the 3rd of DRG timewarp on the natural ramp 3 more gates for Sora a rerooting spine is killed Sora backs off creep and waprs in more units another immortal on the way for Sora
10:00 87 vs 111 DRG repositions a spine at his 3rd DRG breaks down the rocks between the natural and 3rd DRG makes a few more drones to get back up to 48 vs 40 probes of Sora Lair for DRG Sora moves back to his half of the map
11:00 102 vs 125 2 more spines for DRG Sora moving across the map warp prism drops some units in the main of DRG but DRG defends DRG sends his whole army back to his main Sora attacks at the 3rd of DRG
12:00 114 vs 152 DRG is able to get his army back to his 3rd in time to set up a defense and Sora backs off Roach speed for DRG DRG repositions his spine engagement on creep between the natural and 3rd of DRG forcefield on the natural ramp queens transfusing roaches and spines
13:00 90 vs 153 DRG is able to close the distance after the forcefields are gone Sora trying to micro with his warp prism Sora loses all of his units DRG dances his roaches forge for Sora DRG moves across the map with his army MSC rebuilding for Sora spire for DRG 3 more gas for DRG DRG breaking down the rocks to Sora's natural with lings immortal drop in the main of DRG zealots warped into DRG's main DRG sends his army home main hatch of DRG is killed
14:00 80 vs 127 DRG is able to clean up the zealots and force the immortals and warp prism away main hatch restarted for DRG DRG only on 53 drones lings following the warp prism around the map
15:00 71 vs 121 +1 attack started for Sora double evo for DRG immortal harass attempt in the main of DRG doesnt do anything 4th base for DRG immortal drop forces a cancel on DRG's 4th mutas started for DRG 1-1 roach upgardes for DRG 4th base for DRG Sora loses 1 of his immortals to roaches
16:00 81 vs 146 immortal drop forces a cancel on Sora's 4th 2 mutas made by DRG kill the warp prism Twilight council for Sora 3rd base for Sora hydralisk den finishes for DRG blink research started for Sora hydras started for DRG
17:00 91 vs 181 Hydra range for DRG DRG posturing his army around the map +2 attack for Sora blink research for Sora
18:00 99 vs 194 DRG sends some roaches to the 3rd of Sora but backs off from the army and cannons another roach attack at the natural of Sora 3 cannons there and photon overcharge on the main nexus pushes back DRG roach attack at the 3rd is defended again 4th base for DRG DRG breaking down the natural wall of Sora but an immortal spawns to help push the roaches away
19:00 117 vs 185 more hydras for DRG 2 gates for Sora Hydra speed for DRG Warp prism for Sora Sora moving out on the map Roach hydra force comes out to engage Sora Sora timewarps and retreats 2 mutas harassing the natural of Sora
20:00 126 vs 200 Robo bay for Sora mutas actually killing several probes MSC is killed off DRg moving into the 3rd of Sora stalkers finally clean up the 2 muta harss forcefields try to block out DRG at the 3rd Hydras are killing everything
On January 23 2014 20:18 raga4ka wrote: As a CJ fan i have to say that Sora is a lot overhyped thanks to that somewhat lucky one time good form WCG run . He doesn't seem solid and especially in PvZ he lacks a lot .
Let me argue against that as a non-Sora-fan: I think his moves in PvZ so far show a lot of in-depth game understanding. His micro is pretty precise and on-point. I understand why he's hyped, though I don't follow the hype. I hate protoss as much as Zealously Roro, sry.
He doesn't have good understanding , he plays 2 base all-ins and didn't make the best decisions, micro doesn't give you an in-depth game understanding .
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
15%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
8%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
8%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5)
50%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
20%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
10%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
10%
★★★- Good game (1)
10%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
0:00 Sora spawns in the bottom left DongRaeGu spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for Sora
2:00 hatch first for DRG double gas for Sora 3rd hatch before pool for DRG cybernetics core for Sora
3:00 zealot for Sora gas for DRG pool for DRG Nexus for Sora MSC for Sora
4:00 Stalker for Sora MSC moving across the map ling speed for DRG robo for Sora MSC scouts the fast 3rd base
5:00 MSC starts attacking the 3rd of DRG 2 more gates for Sora MSC backs off Stalker denies overlord scout from seeing the robo immortal started for Sora
6:00 Roach warren for DRG 2nd immortal for Sora 2 more gates for Sora
7:00 50 vs 57 2 more gas for DRG DRG scouts the first immortal with his lings Warp prism for Sora lings started for DRG spine started at the top of the natural ramp Sora moving out on the map
8:00 63 vs 77 DRG is supply blocked observer for Sora 2nd spine for DRG Roaches for DRG lings trying to delay Sora Sora warps in more units and starts moving into the natural timewarp on the queens and roaches forcefield blocks the ling flank first spine falls roaches forcefielded away
9:00 71 vs 88 drones in the natural are pulled another spine for DRG Sora backs away from the natural and heads for the 3rd of DRG timewarp on the natural ramp 3 more gates for Sora a rerooting spine is killed Sora backs off creep and waprs in more units another immortal on the way for Sora
10:00 87 vs 111 DRG repositions a spine at his 3rd DRG breaks down the rocks between the natural and 3rd DRG makes a few more drones to get back up to 48 vs 40 probes of Sora Lair for DRG Sora moves back to his half of the map
11:00 102 vs 125 2 more spines for DRG Sora moving across the map warp prism drops some units in the main of DRG but DRG defends DRG sends his whole army back to his main Sora attacks at the 3rd of DRG
12:00 114 vs 152 DRG is able to get his army back to his 3rd in time to set up a defense and Sora backs off Roach speed for DRG DRG repositions his spine engagement on creep between the natural and 3rd of DRG forcefield on the natural ramp queens transfusing roaches and spines
13:00 90 vs 153 DRG is able to close the distance after the forcefields are gone Sora trying to micro with his warp prism Sora loses all of his units DRG dances his roaches forge for Sora DRG moves across the map with his army MSC rebuilding for Sora spire for DRG 3 more gas for DRG DRG breaking down the rocks to Sora's natural with lings immortal drop in the main of DRG zealots warped into DRG's main DRG sends his army home main hatch of DRG is killed
14:00 80 vs 127 DRG is able to clean up the zealots and force the immortals and warp prism away main hatch restarted for DRG DRG only on 53 drones lings following the warp prism around the map
15:00 71 vs 121 +1 attack started for Sora double evo for DRG immortal harass attempt in the main of DRG doesnt do anything 4th base for DRG immortal drop forces a cancel on DRG's 4th mutas started for DRG 1-1 roach upgardes for DRG 4th base for DRG Sora loses 1 of his immortals to roaches
16:00 81 vs 146 immortal drop forces a cancel on Sora's 4th 2 mutas made by DRG kill the warp prism Twilight council for Sora 3rd base for Sora hydralisk den finishes for DRG blink research started for Sora hydras started for DRG
17:00 91 vs 181 Hydra range for DRG DRG posturing his army around the map +2 attack for Sora blink research for Sora
18:00 99 vs 194 DRG sends some roaches to the 3rd of Sora but backs off from the army and cannons another roach attack at the natural of Sora 3 cannons there and photon overcharge on the main nexus pushes back DRG roach attack at the 3rd is defended again 4th base for DRG DRG breaking down the natural wall of Sora but an immortal spawns to help push the roaches away
19:00 117 vs 185 more hydras for DRG 2 gates for Sora Hydra speed for DRG Warp prism for Sora Sora moving out on the map Roach hydra force comes out to engage Sora Sora timewarps and retreats 2 mutas harassing the natural of Sora
20:00 126 vs 200 Robo bay for Sora mutas actually killing several probes MSC is killed off DRg moving into the 3rd of Sora stalkers finally clean up the 2 muta harss forcefields try to block out DRG at the 3rd Hydras are killing everything
21:00 85 vs 113 more blink stalkers arrive at the 3rd and are able to push back the hydras warp prism at the 3rd of DRG 2-2 started for DRG Colossus production started for Sora more roaches and hydras for DRG 2nd robo for Sora DRG mining at his 4th now Extended thermal lance research started for Sora MSC rebuilding for Sora
22:00 103 vs 159 DRG moving across the map again with ling roach hydra lings killing off the canons zealots at the 3rd of DRG first colossus is out zealots warped into the natural of DRG
23:00 83 vs 140 more units just rallying in for DRG lings and hydras outside the fight are killing the 3rd of Sora colossus stalker army is killing off hydras 3rd base of Sora falls DRG down to 38 drones zealot harass is finally cleaned up
24:00 74 vs 115 Sora moving across the map Corruptors out for DRG Sora forced to recall but the colossus dies before recall finishes DRG moves across the map and sees Sora hasnt rebuilt his 3rd yet armies engage on the natural ramp of Sora
25:00 46 vs 134 both players dance their units Sora ggs! DongRaeGu wins 2-0 and advances to Code S!
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
15%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
8%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
8%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5)
50%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
20%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
10%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
10%
★★★- Good game (1)
10%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
On January 23 2014 20:29 Ghanburighan wrote: Those pre-made mods are soooo bad :D Who the hell goes: "We have an all-units-explode mod, I HAVE TO PLAY THAT!"
On January 23 2014 20:29 Ghanburighan wrote: Those pre-made mods are soooo bad :D Who the hell goes: "We have an all-units-explode mod, I HAVE TO PLAY THAT!"
On January 23 2014 20:29 Ghanburighan wrote: Those pre-made mods are soooo bad :D Who the hell goes: "We have an all-units-explode mod, I HAVE TO PLAY THAT!"
Speed Mod, all units move and shoot 180% faster. edit: DK would try everything to get this implemented on ladder i guess.
On January 23 2014 20:29 Ghanburighan wrote: Those pre-made mods are soooo bad :D Who the hell goes: "We have an all-units-explode mod, I HAVE TO PLAY THAT!"
On January 23 2014 20:29 Ghanburighan wrote: Those pre-made mods are soooo bad :D Who the hell goes: "We have an all-units-explode mod, I HAVE TO PLAY THAT!"
Big Game Hunters is the reason this was implanted imo
0:00 Reality spawns in the top left Hack spawns in the top right
1:30 gas first for Hack rax first for Reality rax for Hack
2:00 gas for Reality
3:00 Factory for hack scv scout from Reality sees the gas first build reactor for Reality 2nd gas for Hack
4:00 Starport for Hack CC on the low ground for Reality tech lab for Hack Factory for Reality
5:00 Banshee and cloak research started for Hack 2nd gas for Reality widow mine for Reality ebay for Reality bunker in the natural for Reality CC on the high ground for Hack
0:00 Reality spawns in the top left Hack spawns in the top right
1:30 gas first for Hack rax first for Reality rax for Hack
2:00 gas for Reality
3:00 Factory for hack scv scout from Reality sees the gas first build reactor for Reality 2nd gas for Hack
4:00 Starport for Hack CC on the low ground for Reality tech lab for Hack Factory for Reality
5:00 Banshee and cloak research started for Hack 2nd gas for Reality widow mine for Reality ebay for Reality bunker in the natural for Reality CC on the high ground for Hack
6:00 Viking for Reality Missile turrets started for Reality Raven for Hack first banshee arrives at the main of Reality missile turret finishes for Reality and Hack only gets 1 kill viking spawns for Reality and banshee has to cloak raven for Reality
7:00 R 46 vs H 47 banshee attacking the rax reactor siege tank for Hack banshee forces a scan and escapes siege tank for Reality 3rd gas for Reality Reality scans and sees the high ground OC and first tank fo Hack sitm research started for Reality
8:00 R 56 vs H 62 2 more rax for Relaity viking for Hack Hack lands his natural OC 3rd gas for Hack
9:00 R 65 vs H 73 2 vikings and raven of Hack chase away 1 viking and raven of Reality Raven of Reality is killed by the vikings Reality rallies a tank into the middle of the map and loses it
10:00 R 74 vs H 79 Hack sieges up the natural ramp of Reality banshee kills the 2nd siege tank of Reality Reality loses his bunker Hack moves up the natural ramp another tank spawns for Reality scvs are pulled but then returned Reality forced to lift his natural
0:00 Reality spawns in the top left Hack spawns in the top right
1:30 gas first for Hack rax first for Reality rax for Hack
2:00 gas for Reality
3:00 Factory for hack scv scout from Reality sees the gas first build reactor for Reality 2nd gas for Hack
4:00 Starport for Hack CC on the low ground for Reality tech lab for Hack Factory for Reality
5:00 Banshee and cloak research started for Hack 2nd gas for Reality widow mine for Reality ebay for Reality bunker in the natural for Reality CC on the high ground for Hack
6:00 Viking for Reality Missile turrets started for Reality Raven for Hack first banshee arrives at the main of Reality missile turret finishes for Reality and Hack only gets 1 kill viking spawns for Reality and banshee has to cloak raven for Reality
7:00 R 46 vs H 47 banshee attacking the rax reactor siege tank for Hack banshee forces a scan and escapes siege tank for Reality 3rd gas for Reality Reality scans and sees the high ground OC and first tank fo Hack sitm research started for Reality
8:00 R 56 vs H 62 2 more rax for Relaity viking for Hack Hack lands his natural OC 3rd gas for Hack
9:00 R 65 vs H 73 2 vikings and raven of Hack chase away 1 viking and raven of Reality Raven of Reality is killed by the vikings Reality rallies a tank into the middle of the map and loses it
10:00 R 74 vs H 79 Hack sieges up the natural ramp of Reality banshee kills the 2nd siege tank of Reality Reality loses his bunker Hack moves up the natural ramp another tank spawns for Reality scvs are pulled but then returned Reality forced to lift his natural
11:00 R 75 vs H 86 Reality loses most of his marines trying to get back up his main ramp banshee damaging Reality's tanks +1 attack for Hack stim research for Hack main ramp of Reality is being sieged remaining scvs in the natural are killed off another tank of Reality falls to banshee manner scans from Hack Reality ggs! Hack wins game 1!
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7)
64%
★★★- Good game (2)
18%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
18%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
I mean yeah nice game from Hack, but wtf Reality? Loses the Raven and rallies a siege tank to its death. Just kinda rolled over and took it from Hack that game.
On January 23 2014 20:42 Dinotramp wrote: RIP Terran's. It's getting ridiculous.
They're doing pretty well in PL, though.
I may actually quit watching SC2 forever if we have a GSL Code S without a single TvT. Just imagine that...
get out then. and stop crying in a lr thread.
Haha wow. Calm your tits. A GSL without a TvT game would be very disappointing, I think we can all agree on that.
I'd agree with that.
By the way I'm curious, what does your sig mean, the " rip starcraft in the uk "
The UK doesn't have much of a scene. We don't have any major tournaments or decent players. DeMuslim is a ladder player not a tournament player. BlinG qualified for WCS EU Premier which is nice but that's all we've got going for us.
On January 23 2014 20:42 Dinotramp wrote: RIP Terran's. It's getting ridiculous.
They're doing pretty well in PL, though.
I may actually quit watching SC2 forever if we have a GSL Code S without a single TvT. Just imagine that...
get out then. and stop crying in a lr thread.
Haha wow. Calm your tits. A GSL without a TvT game would be very disappointing, I think we can all agree on that.
I'd agree with that.
By the way I'm curious, what does your sig mean, the " rip starcraft in the uk "
The UK doesn't have much of a scene. We don't have any major tournaments or decent players. DeMuslim is a ladder player not a tournament player. BlinG qualified for WCS EU Premier which is nice but that's all we've got going for us.
On January 23 2014 20:42 Dinotramp wrote: RIP Terran's. It's getting ridiculous.
They're doing pretty well in PL, though.
I may actually quit watching SC2 forever if we have a GSL Code S without a single TvT. Just imagine that...
get out then. and stop crying in a lr thread.
Haha wow. Calm your tits. A GSL without a TvT game would be very disappointing, I think we can all agree on that.
I'd agree with that.
By the way I'm curious, what does your sig mean, the " rip starcraft in the uk "
The UK doesn't have much of a scene. We don't have any major tournaments or decent players. DeMuslim is a ladder player not a tournament player. BlinG qualified for WCS EU Premier which is nice but that's all we've got going for us.
And Ourk keeps running into Swedes
He did get rather unfortunate this season but did really well nonetheless.
0:00 Reality spawns in the top left Hack spawns in the bottom right
1:30 gas first for Hack gas first for Reality rax for Hack rax for Reality
2:00 marines and scvs
3:00 factory for both players 2nd gas for Reality 2nd gas for Hack
4:00 Starport for Hack Starport for Reality tech lab for both players
5:00 cloak and banshee started for Hack cloak and banshee started for Reality a little slower widow mien for Reality reactor for Hack CC on the high ground for Hack
On January 23 2014 20:42 Dinotramp wrote: RIP Terran's. It's getting ridiculous.
They're doing pretty well in PL, though.
I may actually quit watching SC2 forever if we have a GSL Code S without a single TvT. Just imagine that...
get out then. and stop crying in a lr thread.
Haha wow. Calm your tits. A GSL without a TvT game would be very disappointing, I think we can all agree on that.
I'd agree with that.
By the way I'm curious, what does your sig mean, the " rip starcraft in the uk "
The UK doesn't have much of a scene. We don't have any major tournaments or decent players. DeMuslim is a ladder player not a tournament player. BlinG qualified for WCS EU Premier which is nice but that's all we've got going for us.
I was going to say demuslim yeah, but I guess he didn't try to qualify for WCS huh.
On January 23 2014 20:42 Dinotramp wrote: RIP Terran's. It's getting ridiculous.
They're doing pretty well in PL, though.
I may actually quit watching SC2 forever if we have a GSL Code S without a single TvT. Just imagine that...
get out then. and stop crying in a lr thread.
Haha wow. Calm your tits. A GSL without a TvT game would be very disappointing, I think we can all agree on that.
I'd agree with that.
By the way I'm curious, what does your sig mean, the " rip starcraft in the uk "
The UK doesn't have much of a scene. We don't have any major tournaments or decent players. DeMuslim is a ladder player not a tournament player. BlinG qualified for WCS EU Premier which is nice but that's all we've got going for us.
I was going to say demuslim yeah, but I guess he didn't try to qualify for WCS huh.
He did once, cried "This is my life" and never tried again
On January 23 2014 20:42 Dinotramp wrote: RIP Terran's. It's getting ridiculous.
They're doing pretty well in PL, though.
I may actually quit watching SC2 forever if we have a GSL Code S without a single TvT. Just imagine that...
get out then. and stop crying in a lr thread.
Haha wow. Calm your tits. A GSL without a TvT game would be very disappointing, I think we can all agree on that.
I'd agree with that.
By the way I'm curious, what does your sig mean, the " rip starcraft in the uk "
The UK doesn't have much of a scene. We don't have any major tournaments or decent players. DeMuslim is a ladder player not a tournament player. BlinG qualified for WCS EU Premier which is nice but that's all we've got going for us.
I was going to say demuslim yeah, but I guess he didn't try to qualify for WCS huh.
He was a very promising player but after he went EG, he just seemed content to stream rather than improve himself.
0:00 Reality spawns in the top left Hack spawns in the bottom right
1:30 gas first for Hack gas first for Reality rax for Hack rax for Reality
2:00 marines and scvs
3:00 factory for both players 2nd gas for Reality 2nd gas for Hack
4:00 Starport for Hack Starport for Reality tech lab for both players
5:00 cloak and banshee started for Hack cloak and banshee started for Reality a little slower widow mien for Reality reactor for Hack CC on the high ground for Hack
6:00 Raven for both players reactor for Reality banshees pass each other in the middle of the map CC on the high ground for Reality
7:00 R 41 vs H 43 banshee arrives at each others' base Reality kills 1 scv Hack kills some marines and is pushed away by the raven and autoturret 2 workers killed by Relaity siege tank for Hack viking out for both players 6 marines killed by Hack
8:00 R 51 vs H 51 viking of Hack chases down and kills the banshee of Reality Hack takes his natural siege tank started for Reality Reality taking his natural
9:00 R 60 vs H 67 2nd viking for both players Hack breaks down the rocks on his half of the map to block the ramp Hack opens up the other rock path ebay for Hack 3rd CC for reality another gas for Hack another viking for Reality Hack moving up the right side of the map Reality scouts the incoming army 3 more rax for Reality 2 more rax for Hack
10:00 R 77 vs H 81 Hack sieges up the edge of Reality's main both players drop PDD auto turret dropped by Hack Hack is forced to back off stim research started for both players more rax for Hack
0:00 Reality spawns in the top left Hack spawns in the bottom right
1:30 gas first for Hack gas first for Reality rax for Hack rax for Reality
2:00 marines and scvs
3:00 factory for both players 2nd gas for Reality 2nd gas for Hack
4:00 Starport for Hack Starport for Reality tech lab for both players
5:00 cloak and banshee started for Hack cloak and banshee started for Reality a little slower widow mien for Reality reactor for Hack CC on the high ground for Hack
6:00 Raven for both players reactor for Reality banshees pass each other in the middle of the map CC on the high ground for Reality
7:00 R 41 vs H 43 banshee arrives at each others' base Reality kills 1 scv Hack kills some marines and is pushed away by the raven and autoturret 2 workers killed by Relaity siege tank for Hack viking out for both players 6 marines killed by Hack
8:00 R 51 vs H 51 viking of Hack chases down and kills the banshee of Reality Hack takes his natural siege tank started for Reality Reality taking his natural
9:00 R 60 vs H 67 2nd viking for both players Hack breaks down the rocks on his half of the map to block the ramp Hack opens up the other rock path ebay for Hack 3rd CC for reality another gas for Hack another viking for Reality Hack moving up the right side of the map Reality scouts the incoming army 3 more rax for Reality 2 more rax for Hack
10:00 R 77 vs H 81 Hack sieges up the edge of Reality's main both players drop PDD auto turret dropped by Hack Hack is forced to back off stim research started for both players more rax for Hack
11:00 R 84 vs H 99 +1 attack for Hack double ebay for Reality medivacs for Hack Reality floating out his 3rd base
12:00 R 89 vs H 111 banshee of Hack harassing the natural of Reality 3 scvs and some marines are killed 1-1 started for Reality's bio banshee of Hack escapes medivacs for Reality
13:00 R 101 vs H 133 Reality tracks down the banshee on the left side of the map and kills it Hack scouts the 3rd of Reality with a marine Hack moving out on the map with his main army combat shields for both players armory for Reality Reality moving out on the map
14:00 R 125 vs H 152 Hack is ahead by 3 siege tanks Hack loads up 4 medivacs of units mass drop in the main of Reality with tanks and marines missile turrets killing medivacs 2nd force of Hack attacking from the ground at the 3rd fo Reality scvs in the main are pulled Reality gets his tanks in position to defend
15:00 R 101 vs H 123 Hack drops in front of Reality's tanks at Reality's 3rd scvs at the 3rd are pulled Reality loses his tanks Hack drops marines on the last tank of Reality 1-1 finishes for Reality but his army is gone scvs are being cleaned up by marines
0:00 Reality spawns in the top left Hack spawns in the bottom right
1:30 gas first for Hack gas first for Reality rax for Hack rax for Reality
2:00 marines and scvs
3:00 factory for both players 2nd gas for Reality 2nd gas for Hack
4:00 Starport for Hack Starport for Reality tech lab for both players
5:00 cloak and banshee started for Hack cloak and banshee started for Reality a little slower widow mien for Reality reactor for Hack CC on the high ground for Hack
6:00 Raven for both players reactor for Reality banshees pass each other in the middle of the map CC on the high ground for Reality
7:00 R 41 vs H 43 banshee arrives at each others' base Reality kills 1 scv Hack kills some marines and is pushed away by the raven and autoturret 2 workers killed by Relaity siege tank for Hack viking out for both players 6 marines killed by Hack
8:00 R 51 vs H 51 viking of Hack chases down and kills the banshee of Reality Hack takes his natural siege tank started for Reality Reality taking his natural
9:00 R 60 vs H 67 2nd viking for both players Hack breaks down the rocks on his half of the map to block the ramp Hack opens up the other rock path ebay for Hack 3rd CC for reality another gas for Hack another viking for Reality Hack moving up the right side of the map Reality scouts the incoming army 3 more rax for Reality 2 more rax for Hack
10:00 R 77 vs H 81 Hack sieges up the edge of Reality's main both players drop PDD auto turret dropped by Hack Hack is forced to back off stim research started for both players more rax for Hack
11:00 R 84 vs H 99 +1 attack for Hack double ebay for Reality medivacs for Hack Reality floating out his 3rd base
12:00 R 89 vs H 111 banshee of Hack harassing the natural of Reality 3 scvs and some marines are killed 1-1 started for Reality's bio banshee of Hack escapes medivacs for Reality
13:00 R 101 vs H 133 Reality tracks down the banshee on the left side of the map and kills it Hack scouts the 3rd of Reality with a marine Hack moving out on the map with his main army combat shields for both players armory for Reality Reality moving out on the map
14:00 R 125 vs H 152 Hack is ahead by 3 siege tanks Hack loads up 4 medivacs of units mass drop in the main of Reality with tanks and marines missile turrets killing medivacs 2nd force of Hack attacking from the ground at the 3rd fo Reality scvs in the main are pulled Reality gets his tanks in position to defend
15:00 R 101 vs H 123 Hack drops in front of Reality's tanks at Reality's 3rd scvs at the 3rd are pulled Reality loses his tanks Hack drops marines on the last tank of Reality 1-1 finishes for Reality but his army is gone scvs are being cleaned up by marines
16:00 R 68 vs H 109 3rd of Reality is forced to lift +1 armor finishing up for Hack 4 tanks vs 1 in favor of Hack Hack is repositioning closer to the natural then Hack lifts all of his units and drops the main of Reality
17:00 R 87 vs H 137 Reality loses his former 3rd OC armory is killed ebays are being killed drop in the natural of Hack Hack starts a 3rd CC more marines arriving for Hack Reality ggs! Hack wins 2-0! Reality falls to Code B
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (3)
50%
★★★- Good game (2)
33%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
17%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Really solid TvT from hack. Build orders were well thought out, macro crisp and his movements got right underneath realitys defence.
I think reality opened a little greedy in the second game though. That map is one of the harder maps to defend 3 base tvt and trying to get fast double ups as well seems overly ambitious. Guess he wasn't expecting hack to be so aggressive.
[Code A] Group I GSL S1 2014 Sora vs. Hack Game 1 Map: Frost
0:00 Sora spawns in the bottom right Hack spawns in the bottom left
1:40 gate for Sora rax for Hack gas for Hack gas for Sora
2:00 2nd gas for Sora reaper for hack Cybernetics core for Sora
3:00 Zealot for Sora CC on the low ground for Hack Nexus for Sora reactor for Hack MSC for Sora
4:00 reaper scouts the main of Sora and starts harassing probes MSC spawns and chases the reaper away 2nd rax for Hack stalker for Sora probe scouts the low ground CC and 2 rax ebay for Hack
5:00 Stargate for Sora +1 attack for Hack forge for Sora 2nd gas for Hack tech lab for Hack
On January 23 2014 21:13 Dodgin wrote: You know making ironic remarks about Kespa isn't as funny when the real " KESPAAAAAAAAAA " guys aren't around anymore.
On January 23 2014 21:13 Dodgin wrote: You know making ironic remarks about Kespa isn't as funny when the real " KESPAAAAAAAAAA " guys aren't around anymore.
Those were better days.
you tried hard at least, sorry we have not reacted
[Code A] Group I GSL S1 2014 Sora vs. Hack Game 1 Map: Frost
0:00 Sora spawns in the bottom right Hack spawns in the bottom left
1:40 gate for Sora rax for Hack gas for Hack gas for Sora
2:00 2nd gas for Sora reaper for hack Cybernetics core for Sora
3:00 Zealot for Sora CC on the low ground for Hack Nexus for Sora reactor for Hack MSC for Sora
4:00 reaper scouts the main of Sora and starts harassing probes MSC spawns and chases the reaper away 2nd rax for Hack stalker for Sora probe scouts the low ground CC and 2 rax ebay for Hack
5:00 Stargate for Sora +1 attack for Hack forge for Sora 2nd gas for Hack tech lab for Hack
6:00 Oracle for Sora missile turret for Hack bunker in the natural for Hack robo for Sora stim research for Hack +1 armor for Sora factory for Hack
7:00 55 vs 51 Oracle is killed without doing much falling to a missile turret another gas for hack Starport for hack 3rd rax for hack
8:00 58 vs 55 Robo bay for Sora +1 armor for Hack 2 more gates for Sora twilight council for Sora Marauder production started for hack 2nd Oracle arrives at the main of Hack and forces scvs off the mineral line 7 kills for the Oracle and it gets away immortal for Sora blink research started for Sora
9:00 67 vs 66 medivacs started for Hack 3 more gates for Sora missile turret in the main mineral line for Hack Colossus production started for Sora +1 attack for Sora Concussive shellsf or Hack combat shields for Hack 2 more rax for Hack armory for Hack Oracle flies in and kills a few more scvs before falling to marines
10:00 82 vs 78 2nd colossus for Sora Extended thermal lance research started for Sora scan from Hack sees the first colossus 2nd starport for Hack Hack moving across the map
On January 23 2014 21:16 Dark.Carnival wrote: he didn't make a turret in his main before moving out? o_o it's usually one oracle but it's not unlikely for there to be a second :3
On January 23 2014 21:16 Dark.Carnival wrote: he didn't make a turret in his main before moving out? o_o it's usually one oracle but it's not unlikely for there to be a second :3
He didn't move out yet.
With the speed of oracles, it doesnt really matter if hes in the middle of the map or at his natural. Atleast untill stim is done
On January 23 2014 21:13 Dodgin wrote: You know making ironic remarks about Kespa isn't as funny when the real " KESPAAAAAAAAAA " guys aren't around anymore.
On January 23 2014 21:13 Dodgin wrote: You know making ironic remarks about Kespa isn't as funny when the real " KESPAAAAAAAAAA " guys aren't around anymore.
[Code A] Group I GSL S1 2014 Sora vs. Hack Game 1 Map: Frost
0:00 Sora spawns in the bottom right Hack spawns in the bottom left
1:40 gate for Sora rax for Hack gas for Hack gas for Sora
2:00 2nd gas for Sora reaper for hack Cybernetics core for Sora
3:00 Zealot for Sora CC on the low ground for Hack Nexus for Sora reactor for Hack MSC for Sora
4:00 reaper scouts the main of Sora and starts harassing probes MSC spawns and chases the reaper away 2nd rax for Hack stalker for Sora probe scouts the low ground CC and 2 rax ebay for Hack
5:00 Stargate for Sora +1 attack for Hack forge for Sora 2nd gas for Hack tech lab for Hack
6:00 Oracle for Sora missile turret for Hack bunker in the natural for Hack robo for Sora stim research for Hack +1 armor for Sora factory for Hack
7:00 55 vs 51 Oracle is killed without doing much falling to a missile turret another gas for hack Starport for hack 3rd rax for hack
8:00 58 vs 55 Robo bay for Sora +1 armor for Hack 2 more gates for Sora twilight council for Sora Marauder production started for hack 2nd Oracle arrives at the main of Hack and forces scvs off the mineral line 7 kills for the Oracle and it gets away immortal for Sora blink research started for Sora
9:00 67 vs 66 medivacs started for Hack 3 more gates for Sora missile turret in the main mineral line for Hack Colossus production started for Sora +1 attack for Sora Concussive shellsf or Hack combat shields for Hack 2 more rax for Hack armory for Hack Oracle flies in and kills a few more scvs before falling to marines
10:00 82 vs 78 2nd colossus for Sora Extended thermal lance research started for Sora scan from Hack sees the first colossus 2nd starport for Hack Hack moving across the map
11:00 101 vs 95 +2 attack started for Hack Vikings started for Hack +1 vehicle weapons for Hack 2nd forge for Sora 3rd base for Sora
12:00 111 vs 109 +2 armor started for Sora Hack stims in to attack Sora Sora backs up his natural ramp and forcefields Hack forces a cancel on the 3rd of Sora Sora restarts his 3rd after Hack lifts and boosts away quadruple viking production for hack +2 attack for Sora
13:00 121 vs 113 3rd base started for Hack charge research started for Sora 2 more gates for Sora
14:00 135 vs 136 bunker at the 3rd of Hack stalkers get forced back int he middle of the map trying to pick off vikings zealot scouts the 3rd of Hack Hack moving across the map 12 vikings vs 5 colossi
15:00 137 vs 158 ghost academy for Hack skirmish in the middle of the map with a few units dying Templar archives for Sora 2 more rax for Hack warp prism for Sora
On January 23 2014 21:13 Dodgin wrote: You know making ironic remarks about Kespa isn't as funny when the real " KESPAAAAAAAAAA " guys aren't around anymore.
Those were better days.
will you become the villain that TL needs?
Confession: I kind of like Sniper
And RorO right?
I cheered for rOrO against Symbol in that one GSL finals that no one remembers. I didn't watch it though.
[Code A] Group I GSL S1 2014 Sora vs. Hack Game 1 Map: Frost
0:00 Sora spawns in the bottom right Hack spawns in the bottom left
1:40 gate for Sora rax for Hack gas for Hack gas for Sora
2:00 2nd gas for Sora reaper for hack Cybernetics core for Sora
3:00 Zealot for Sora CC on the low ground for Hack Nexus for Sora reactor for Hack MSC for Sora
4:00 reaper scouts the main of Sora and starts harassing probes MSC spawns and chases the reaper away 2nd rax for Hack stalker for Sora probe scouts the low ground CC and 2 rax ebay for Hack
5:00 Stargate for Sora +1 attack for Hack forge for Sora 2nd gas for Hack tech lab for Hack
6:00 Oracle for Sora missile turret for Hack bunker in the natural for Hack robo for Sora stim research for Hack +1 armor for Sora factory for Hack
7:00 55 vs 51 Oracle is killed without doing much falling to a missile turret another gas for hack Starport for hack 3rd rax for hack
8:00 58 vs 55 Robo bay for Sora +1 armor for Hack 2 more gates for Sora twilight council for Sora Marauder production started for hack 2nd Oracle arrives at the main of Hack and forces scvs off the mineral line 7 kills for the Oracle and it gets away immortal for Sora blink research started for Sora
9:00 67 vs 66 medivacs started for Hack 3 more gates for Sora missile turret in the main mineral line for Hack Colossus production started for Sora +1 attack for Sora Concussive shellsf or Hack combat shields for Hack 2 more rax for Hack armory for Hack Oracle flies in and kills a few more scvs before falling to marines
10:00 82 vs 78 2nd colossus for Sora Extended thermal lance research started for Sora scan from Hack sees the first colossus 2nd starport for Hack Hack moving across the map
11:00 101 vs 95 +2 attack started for Hack Vikings started for Hack +1 vehicle weapons for Hack 2nd forge for Sora 3rd base for Sora
12:00 111 vs 109 +2 armor started for Sora Hack stims in to attack Sora Sora backs up his natural ramp and forcefields Hack forces a cancel on the 3rd of Sora Sora restarts his 3rd after Hack lifts and boosts away quadruple viking production for hack +2 attack for Sora
13:00 121 vs 113 3rd base started for Hack charge research started for Sora 2 more gates for Sora
14:00 135 vs 136 bunker at the 3rd of Hack stalkers get forced back int he middle of the map trying to pick off vikings zealot scouts the 3rd of Hack Hack moving across the map 12 vikings vs 5 colossi
15:00 137 vs 158 ghost academy for Hack skirmish in the middle of the map with a few units dying Templar archives for Sora 2 more rax for Hack warp prism for Sora
16:00 169 vs 158 +3 armor for Sora +3 attack for Sora moebius reactor for Hack ghost production startedf or Hack storm research started for Sora 18 vikings out for Hack now
17:00 172 vs 188 missile turret for Hack in his main to defend the warp prism Warp prism still slips by and warps in some zealots emp on the zealots in the main zealots start killing ghosts
18:00 185 vs 200 +3 attack for Hack Sora moving across the map as 3-3 gets close to finishing zealots still in the main of Hack killing stuff storm on a few of the vikings storm and stalkers blink under vikings vikings kill the MSC
19:00 165 vs 194 armies engage outside the 3rd of Hack storm on the vikings emp on the HT all the Colossi are killed by vikings Hack lands the vikings Sora trying to make archons 3-3 finishes for Sora during the fight Hack's army is pushed back and the medivacs are being killed off 4th base for Sora
20:00 95 vs 129 more ghosts and vikins coming out for Hack 2nd robo for Sora Hack swings around the top part of the map and kills off the 4th of Sora Sora trying to rebuild his colossus count
On January 23 2014 21:24 Ghanburighan wrote: What the fuck was that micro by Sora? Give away all templars, give away msc, give away colossus. And Hack still didn't win.
He had 20+ vikings lol, had to throw timewarp to not get chased > msc dead, vikins dont care about tw > colo dead.
I agree on the the templars tho
then again, hack dodged a storm and then walked back into it ~ questionable by both
[Code A] Group I GSL S1 2014 Sora vs. Hack Game 1 Map: Frost
0:00 Sora spawns in the bottom right Hack spawns in the bottom left
1:40 gate for Sora rax for Hack gas for Hack gas for Sora
2:00 2nd gas for Sora reaper for hack Cybernetics core for Sora
3:00 Zealot for Sora CC on the low ground for Hack Nexus for Sora reactor for Hack MSC for Sora
4:00 reaper scouts the main of Sora and starts harassing probes MSC spawns and chases the reaper away 2nd rax for Hack stalker for Sora probe scouts the low ground CC and 2 rax ebay for Hack
5:00 Stargate for Sora +1 attack for Hack forge for Sora 2nd gas for Hack tech lab for Hack
6:00 Oracle for Sora missile turret for Hack bunker in the natural for Hack robo for Sora stim research for Hack +1 armor for Sora factory for Hack
7:00 55 vs 51 Oracle is killed without doing much falling to a missile turret another gas for hack Starport for hack 3rd rax for hack
8:00 58 vs 55 Robo bay for Sora +1 armor for Hack 2 more gates for Sora twilight council for Sora Marauder production started for hack 2nd Oracle arrives at the main of Hack and forces scvs off the mineral line 7 kills for the Oracle and it gets away immortal for Sora blink research started for Sora
9:00 67 vs 66 medivacs started for Hack 3 more gates for Sora missile turret in the main mineral line for Hack Colossus production started for Sora +1 attack for Sora Concussive shellsf or Hack combat shields for Hack 2 more rax for Hack armory for Hack Oracle flies in and kills a few more scvs before falling to marines
10:00 82 vs 78 2nd colossus for Sora Extended thermal lance research started for Sora scan from Hack sees the first colossus 2nd starport for Hack Hack moving across the map
11:00 101 vs 95 +2 attack started for Hack Vikings started for Hack +1 vehicle weapons for Hack 2nd forge for Sora 3rd base for Sora
12:00 111 vs 109 +2 armor started for Sora Hack stims in to attack Sora Sora backs up his natural ramp and forcefields Hack forces a cancel on the 3rd of Sora Sora restarts his 3rd after Hack lifts and boosts away quadruple viking production for hack +2 attack for Sora
13:00 121 vs 113 3rd base started for Hack charge research started for Sora 2 more gates for Sora
14:00 135 vs 136 bunker at the 3rd of Hack stalkers get forced back int he middle of the map trying to pick off vikings zealot scouts the 3rd of Hack Hack moving across the map 12 vikings vs 5 colossi
15:00 137 vs 158 ghost academy for Hack skirmish in the middle of the map with a few units dying Templar archives for Sora 2 more rax for Hack warp prism for Sora
16:00 169 vs 158 +3 armor for Sora +3 attack for Sora moebius reactor for Hack ghost production startedf or Hack storm research started for Sora 18 vikings out for Hack now
17:00 172 vs 188 missile turret for Hack in his main to defend the warp prism Warp prism still slips by and warps in some zealots emp on the zealots in the main zealots start killing ghosts
18:00 185 vs 200 +3 attack for Hack Sora moving across the map as 3-3 gets close to finishing zealots still in the main of Hack killing stuff storm on a few of the vikings storm and stalkers blink under vikings vikings kill the MSC
19:00 165 vs 194 armies engage outside the 3rd of Hack storm on the vikings emp on the HT all the Colossi are killed by vikings Hack lands the vikings Sora trying to make archons 3-3 finishes for Sora during the fight Hack's army is pushed back and the medivacs are being killed off 4th base for Sora
20:00 95 vs 129 more ghosts and vikins coming out for Hack 2nd robo for Sora Hack swings around the top part of the map and kills off the 4th of Sora Sora trying to rebuild his colossus count
21:00 131 vs 161 +2 armor started for Hack double colossus rpoduction for Sora Hack only has 2 vikings right now vs already 2 colossi out with 2 more on the way Hack starting viking production out of both starports again
22:00 151 vs 183 Sora loses an HT on the map to a small bio force Hack donates some bio units trying to pick off HTs Sora moving out on the map Hack waiting at the watchtower Sora backs off
23:00 171 vs 178 storm from Sora whiffs Hack floats out his main CC to take a 4th base 4th base restarted for Sora Sora moving along the bottom of the map towards Hack's 4th Hack positions his defense storm being dropped to zone Hack and Sora backs off Sora is trying to get Hack to walk across the bridge of doom
24:00 176 vs 194 both players move back towards the lower watch tower 12 vikings out for Hack now 2nd stargate for Sora storm on the vikings of Hack feedback kills a ghost Sora loses a morphing archon +2 vehicle weapons for Hack
25:00 184 vs 200 Hack moving along the bottom of the mpa towards Sora's 4th snipe kills the defnding ghost ghost cloak research started for Hack Hack gets on the high ground above Sora's 4th storm on the army of Hack dont do too much emp hits the stalkers of Sora Colossi get some shots on the ghosts killign them storm on the vikings
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
20%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?
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[Code A] Group I GSL S1 2014 Sora vs. Hack Game 1 Map: Frost
0:00 Sora spawns in the bottom right Hack spawns in the bottom left
1:40 gate for Sora rax for Hack gas for Hack gas for Sora
2:00 2nd gas for Sora reaper for hack Cybernetics core for Sora
3:00 Zealot for Sora CC on the low ground for Hack Nexus for Sora reactor for Hack MSC for Sora
4:00 reaper scouts the main of Sora and starts harassing probes MSC spawns and chases the reaper away 2nd rax for Hack stalker for Sora probe scouts the low ground CC and 2 rax ebay for Hack
5:00 Stargate for Sora +1 attack for Hack forge for Sora 2nd gas for Hack tech lab for Hack
6:00 Oracle for Sora missile turret for Hack bunker in the natural for Hack robo for Sora stim research for Hack +1 armor for Sora factory for Hack
7:00 55 vs 51 Oracle is killed without doing much falling to a missile turret another gas for hack Starport for hack 3rd rax for hack
8:00 58 vs 55 Robo bay for Sora +1 armor for Hack 2 more gates for Sora twilight council for Sora Marauder production started for hack 2nd Oracle arrives at the main of Hack and forces scvs off the mineral line 7 kills for the Oracle and it gets away immortal for Sora blink research started for Sora
9:00 67 vs 66 medivacs started for Hack 3 more gates for Sora missile turret in the main mineral line for Hack Colossus production started for Sora +1 attack for Sora Concussive shellsf or Hack combat shields for Hack 2 more rax for Hack armory for Hack Oracle flies in and kills a few more scvs before falling to marines
10:00 82 vs 78 2nd colossus for Sora Extended thermal lance research started for Sora scan from Hack sees the first colossus 2nd starport for Hack Hack moving across the map
11:00 101 vs 95 +2 attack started for Hack Vikings started for Hack +1 vehicle weapons for Hack 2nd forge for Sora 3rd base for Sora
12:00 111 vs 109 +2 armor started for Sora Hack stims in to attack Sora Sora backs up his natural ramp and forcefields Hack forces a cancel on the 3rd of Sora Sora restarts his 3rd after Hack lifts and boosts away quadruple viking production for hack +2 attack for Sora
13:00 121 vs 113 3rd base started for Hack charge research started for Sora 2 more gates for Sora
14:00 135 vs 136 bunker at the 3rd of Hack stalkers get forced back int he middle of the map trying to pick off vikings zealot scouts the 3rd of Hack Hack moving across the map 12 vikings vs 5 colossi
15:00 137 vs 158 ghost academy for Hack skirmish in the middle of the map with a few units dying Templar archives for Sora 2 more rax for Hack warp prism for Sora
16:00 169 vs 158 +3 armor for Sora +3 attack for Sora moebius reactor for Hack ghost production startedf or Hack storm research started for Sora 18 vikings out for Hack now
17:00 172 vs 188 missile turret for Hack in his main to defend the warp prism Warp prism still slips by and warps in some zealots emp on the zealots in the main zealots start killing ghosts
18:00 185 vs 200 +3 attack for Hack Sora moving across the map as 3-3 gets close to finishing zealots still in the main of Hack killing stuff storm on a few of the vikings storm and stalkers blink under vikings vikings kill the MSC
19:00 165 vs 194 armies engage outside the 3rd of Hack storm on the vikings emp on the HT all the Colossi are killed by vikings Hack lands the vikings Sora trying to make archons 3-3 finishes for Sora during the fight Hack's army is pushed back and the medivacs are being killed off 4th base for Sora
20:00 95 vs 129 more ghosts and vikins coming out for Hack 2nd robo for Sora Hack swings around the top part of the map and kills off the 4th of Sora Sora trying to rebuild his colossus count
21:00 131 vs 161 +2 armor started for Hack double colossus rpoduction for Sora Hack only has 2 vikings right now vs already 2 colossi out with 2 more on the way Hack starting viking production out of both starports again
22:00 151 vs 183 Sora loses an HT on the map to a small bio force Hack donates some bio units trying to pick off HTs Sora moving out on the map Hack waiting at the watchtower Sora backs off
23:00 171 vs 178 storm from Sora whiffs Hack floats out his main CC to take a 4th base 4th base restarted for Sora Sora moving along the bottom of the map towards Hack's 4th Hack positions his defense storm being dropped to zone Hack and Sora backs off Sora is trying to get Hack to walk across the bridge of doom
24:00 176 vs 194 both players move back towards the lower watch tower 12 vikings out for Hack now 2nd stargate for Sora storm on the vikings of Hack feedback kills a ghost Sora loses a morphing archon +2 vehicle weapons for Hack
25:00 184 vs 200 Hack moving along the bottom of the mpa towards Sora's 4th snipe kills the defnding ghost ghost cloak research started for Hack Hack gets on the high ground above Sora's 4th storm on the army of Hack dont do too much emp hits the stalkers of Sora Colossi get some shots on the ghosts killign them storm on the vikings
26:00 140 vs 101 Hack loses all his vikings to storm and stalkers colossi laser down the whole terran army Hack ggs! Sora wins game 1!
On January 23 2014 21:28 Pandemona wrote: WTFFFFFFFFFF Omg. Must not complain and feel wrath of Zealously and his Curse GOD DAMMIT
well it's less about balance than Hack playing this lategame really badly :'(
Yeah but still after the first engagement you would of thought he would of been so ahead that he could of got away with this. Still annoying knowing you call the main army to know you can't engage until your maxed or you lose again to then spiral out of control
On the positive side, i will have a lot of free-time if we stay at 3 Terrans in Code S ( though i'd say that either Ryung or Dream will make it through)
On January 23 2014 21:28 Pandemona wrote: WTFFFFFFFFFF Omg. Must not complain and feel wrath of Zealously and his Curse GOD DAMMIT
well it's less about balance than Hack playing this lategame really badly :'(
Yeah but still after the first engagement you would of thought he would of been so ahead that he could of got away with this. Still annoying knowing you call the main army to know you can't engage until your maxed or you lose again to then spiral out of control
he was 2upgrades behind and lost all his crucial units, he wasn't ahead at all but he was free to go to a comfortable lategame situation. Then he had an awful max with a low viking count and not enough ghost (Sora was so far down in pop that he could've max on 20+ ghosts easily). If you're behind on upgrades and have no ghost/vikings/medivacs left you're almost never ahead if the game continues at this stage.
On January 23 2014 21:32 Destructicon wrote: This back and forth banter between Khaldor and Wolf regarding the name of maps is actually hilarious. They certainly are getting the "point" across.
I haven't heard Khaldor and Wolf co-cast in like a year, and their interaction is wayyyy better now. I remember when Wolf used to ramble and then Khaldor would just cut him off and talk about something totally different ^^ So happy to be able to catch this again <3
On January 23 2014 21:36 DarkLordOlli wrote: Khaldor is known to have amazing LR/casting multitasking
It blows my mind that Khaldor has so many haters (he always mentions some during his stream), he is one of the best in the bushiness right now, juggling casting, LR threads, stats and maths all at once.
0:00 Sora spawns in the bottom right Hack spawns in the top left
1:40 rax first for Hack Gate first for Sora gas for Hack
2:00 double gas for Sora core for Sora
3:00 zealot for Sora reaper for hack CC on the low ground for Hack
4:00 2 more rax for hack reactor for Hack Nexus for Sora
5:00 Twilight council for Sora tech lab for Hack stim research for Hack Blink research for Sora 2 more gates for Sora
6:00 scan from hack sees the chronoboosted twilight council Hack brings his bio units back to his side of the map Factory for Hack double forge for Sora Marauder production started for Hack concussive shells for Hack
7:00 44 vs 50 2 more gas for Sora 2 more bunkers for Hack widow mine for Hack 1-1 started for Sora
8:00 57 vs 62 Robo for Sora Starport for Hack ebay for Hack combat shields for Hack 2 more gates for Sora Hack salvaging his bunkers and moving out on the map
9:00 71 vs 76 immortal started for Sora 3 more gates for Sora medivacs started for Hack Sora hallucinates a colossus but Hack scans and sees it's fake photon overcharge on the natural nexus and probes pulled in the natural Sora is able to push back the attack
10:00 78 vs 75 stalkers chase after the retreating units of Hack 2-2 started for Sora 2 more rax for Hack +1 attack for Hack another immortal for Sora
On January 23 2014 21:36 DarkLordOlli wrote: Khaldor is known to have amazing LR/casting multitasking
It blows my mind that Khaldor has so many haters (he always mentions some during his stream), he is one of the best in the bushiness right now, juggling casting, LR threads, stats and maths all at once.
The 'vocal' gaming community are often quite toxic (demographic etc) in general, but people just sometimes dont gel with others. But as opposed to watching TV - people are ready to LET THE WORLD KNOW if they are already online when they get angrypants.
On January 23 2014 21:36 DarkLordOlli wrote: Khaldor is known to have amazing LR/casting multitasking
It blows my mind that Khaldor has so many haters (he always mentions some during his stream), he is one of the best in the bushiness right now, juggling casting, LR threads, stats and maths all at once.
Yeah I agree. And he can sit at 5 in the morning casting some small cup somewhere just because someone asked him. Love wolf and khaldor!
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0:00 Sora spawns in the bottom right Hack spawns in the top left
1:40 rax first for Hack Gate first for Sora gas for Hack
2:00 double gas for Sora core for Sora
3:00 zealot for Sora reaper for hack CC on the low ground for Hack
4:00 2 more rax for hack reactor for Hack Nexus for Sora
5:00 Twilight council for Sora tech lab for Hack stim research for Hack Blink research for Sora 2 more gates for Sora
6:00 scan from hack sees the chronoboosted twilight council Hack brings his bio units back to his side of the map Factory for Hack double forge for Sora Marauder production started for Hack concussive shells for Hack
7:00 44 vs 50 2 more gas for Sora 2 more bunkers for Hack widow mine for Hack 1-1 started for Sora
8:00 57 vs 62 Robo for Sora Starport for Hack ebay for Hack combat shields for Hack 2 more gates for Sora Hack salvaging his bunkers and moving out on the map
9:00 71 vs 76 immortal started for Sora 3 more gates for Sora medivacs started for Hack Sora hallucinates a colossus but Hack scans and sees it's fake photon overcharge on the natural nexus and probes pulled in the natural Sora is able to push back the attack
10:00 78 vs 75 stalkers chase after the retreating units of Hack 2-2 started for Sora 2 more rax for Hack +1 attack for Hack another immortal for Sora
11:00 102 vs 102 Viking started for Hack 3rd CC for Hack Hack moving across the map double drop in the main of Sora
12:00 108 vs 108 photon overcharge on the main nexus of Sora 2nd starport for Hack after seeing the hallucinated colossus with his drop in the main more vikings being producted for Hack Sora moving across the map double drop in the natural of Sora
13:00 123 vs 123 photon overcharge on the natural nexus Sora pushes into the natural of Hack Hack has basically nothing at home scvs in the natural are being pulled Hack is trying to get home with his units stalkers pick off a full medivac natural OC of Hack is lifted
14:00 131 vs 104 armory for Hack Sora moves up the main ramp of Hack stalkers blink into the main scvs are being shredded vikings land Hack is losing everything 2-2 is done for Sora Hack ggs! Sora wins 2-0 and advances to Code S! Hack falls to Code B
Well Hack played well up to a certain point in game one but that game he got run over by Sora. Tricked by blink, tricked by hallucination and suicided units into overcharge and forcefields
Can't say I'm surprised he lost. Reality probably had a better chance considering his first series vs Sora ;x
On January 23 2014 21:36 DarkLordOlli wrote: Khaldor is known to have amazing LR/casting multitasking
It blows my mind that Khaldor has so many haters (he always mentions some during his stream), he is one of the best in the bushiness right now, juggling casting, LR threads, stats and maths all at once.
Well, he's also a bit paranoid. He has called me a hater for my LR comments several times, although I actually like the guy and follow his streams quite a bit.
i try to refrain from making balance comments, but doesn't anyone notice that all sora does is defend with warp ins, POs and frankly uncallable mind games such as if and when he will all-in, and then takes just one engagement to win? all the drops were deflected with ease despite sora's army not being in a good position, nor did he really scout them. hack was undoubtedly the more active player there.
Holy shit, I didn't even realize Seed name changed to Vengeance. That's such a badass name, much more fitting for him too, coming back from 0-2 deficits twice in the same season of a GSL.
On January 23 2014 21:44 WGT-Baal wrote: tbh Hack didnt lose because of the MU, he just played badly. Reality played better in the first series against Sora
yo man get that real talk out of her... LR is just for balance whine nowadays!
Its good to have favorites form the other races, makes it hard to be 100% down when your race fails to perform. The sad part is, I'm a huge Seed fan, and I want him to make it back to Code S, but I have this weird feeling he won't make it...
Graph of BW's victory rates between 2007 and 2011. While having no balance patch.
Starcraft is a moving game, evolving with its players. So please, PLEASE, stop whining about whichever race has it good for the moment, it won't last and it makes you sound like bitches.
Hack tried to get something done with early aggression, enough said. Reality also tried on Frost vs very early 3rd nexus and it didnt do anything. Poor guys
On January 23 2014 21:45 Shellshock wrote: Lure into Billowy was a dumb one too. Billowy? really?
But I don't think Lure was a great name to begin with. And he wasn't very well known when he changed. All I remember about Lure is one surprisingly run based on strong PvZ. I can't even remember which tournament it was.
Graph of BW's victory rates between 2007 and 2011. While having no balance patch.
Starcraft is a moving game, evolving with its players. So please, PLEASE, stop whining about whichever race has it good for the moment, it won't last and it makes you sound like bitches.
Happily playing Zerg since 1999
True but don't forget in BW balancing was largely done through map pools
Graph of BW's victory rates between 2007 and 2011. While having no balance patch.
Starcraft is a moving game, evolving with its players. So please, PLEASE, stop whining about whichever race has it good for the moment, it won't last and it makes you sound like bitches.
Graph of BW's victory rates between 2007 and 2011. While having no balance patch.
Starcraft is a moving game, evolving with its players. So please, PLEASE, stop whining about whichever race has it good for the moment, it won't last and it makes you sound like bitches.
Happily playing Zerg since 1999
Irrelevant, totally different games and times. Player base was smaller then it is now, information sharing wasn't as developed and the very way the game plays and functions is radically different.
Graph of BW's victory rates between 2007 and 2011. While having no balance patch.
Starcraft is a moving game, evolving with its players. So please, PLEASE, stop whining about whichever race has it good for the moment, it won't last and it makes you sound like bitches.
Happily playing Zerg since 1999
show me the 7% part that's going on in GSL atm.
I agree with P being overpowered but the 7% isn't representative for the whole population lol. Just as if you could say P is UP since T is winning more vs P in proleague atm... That's just generalizing
On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T
Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow.
not a fucking chance
Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL.
Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man
Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place.
Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon.
No terran will advance tomorrow
Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ
On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T
Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow.
not a fucking chance
Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL.
Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man
Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place.
Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon.
No terran will advance tomorrow
Its a two terran and two zerg, group and Ryung + Dream are solid competitors, while their opposition isn't as strong, they dodged Life, Curious, DRG and Symbol. Both Ryung and Dream have a huge shot, if we are fortunate we might get both in GSL.
On January 23 2014 21:42 shadymmj wrote: i try to refrain from making balance comments, but doesn't anyone notice that all sora does is defend with warp ins, POs and frankly uncallable mind games such as if and when he will all-in, and then takes just one engagement to win? all the drops were deflected with ease despite sora's army not being in a good position, nor did he really scout them. hack was undoubtedly the more active player there.
So many of the Protoss TLers pan the games where Terrans lose as the Terran playing badly - without really explaining how. I think you raise some valid points - like sora's army positioning.
For my part, I do focus on where the Terran Pros could have done better - like positioning vikings over dead-space, utilizing flanks instead of getting choked in with your whole army in an uncomfortable position,etc.
Graph of BW's victory rates between 2007 and 2011. While having no balance patch.
Starcraft is a moving game, evolving with its players. So please, PLEASE, stop whining about whichever race has it good for the moment, it won't last and it makes you sound like bitches.
Happily playing Zerg since 1999
Irrelevant, totally different games and times. Player base was smaller then it is now, information sharing wasn't as developed and the very way the game plays and functions is radically different.
Yeah, couldn't agree more here, Macro mechanics in BW are also way more similar to each other without warp-in and inject... And with the frequent patching of SC2 in the past they already changed A LOT of things (quite a chunk of them unnecessary, I feel), so I think, there are certain aspects that need to be adressed and there's just no way of waiting until the game develops and players figure out stuff by themselves (I mean, look at TvP, what's left for Terran to check out?! Since 2010?!)
On January 23 2014 21:45 NovaMB wrote: PvT 29–10 (74.36%) 1-14 in boX (7.14%)
Just checked all the GSLs in all the matchups... If this stays that way, its going to be the most onesided matchup in the history of GSL. Worse than Z>P in GSL Open Season 2, T>P GSL Jan 2011, P>Z Jan 2011 (all breaking the 70%).
And with only 3 Terrans in, I doubt that we will see so enough TvPs for those stats to change to less than 65%.
On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T
Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow.
not a fucking chance
Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL.
Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man
Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place.
Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon.
No terran will advance tomorrow
Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ
since almost every Terran has switched to mech TvZ now we really can't tell how good those Terrans will play. I think the results are really unpredictable for tomorrow since we have mostly seen bio from those guys and they have to play a completely different style now
On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T
Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow.
not a fucking chance
Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL.
Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man
Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place.
Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon.
No terran will advance tomorrow
Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ
since almost every Terran has switched to mech TvZ now we really can't tell how good those Terrans will play. I think the results are really unpredictable for tomorrow since we have mostly seen bio from those guys and they have to play a completely different style now
That's true. I guess I didn't think about the changes in playstyle and some of these guys we haven't really seen too much since WCS ended last year
On January 23 2014 21:45 NovaMB wrote: PvT 29–10 (74.36%) 1-14 in boX (7.14%)
Just checked all the GSLs in all the matchups... If this stays that way, its going to be the most onesided matchup in the history of GSL. Worse than Z>P in GSL Open Season 2, T>P GSL Jan 2011, P>Z Jan 2011 (all breaking the 70%).
And with only 3 Terrans in, I doubt that we will see so enough TvPs for those stats to change to less than 65%.
Also Maru could end up vs a few Zs and one strong P
On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T
Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow.
not a fucking chance
Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL.
Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man
Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place.
Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon.
No terran will advance tomorrow
Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ
Havnt seen a lot from Hydra, but i'd say Ryung only advances if he manages to somehow get Dream in a TvT for a spot. Otherwise True/Hack looks like a safe bet
On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T
Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow.
not a fucking chance
Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL.
Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man
Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place.
Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon.
No terran will advance tomorrow
Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ
since almost every Terran has switched to mech TvZ now we really can't tell how good those Terrans will play. I think the results are really unpredictable for tomorrow since we have mostly seen bio from those guys and they have to play a completely different style now
You forget Ryung had a really solid mech when he needed to pull it out, he is more then capable.
On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T
Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow.
not a fucking chance
Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL.
Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man
Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place.
Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon.
No terran will advance tomorrow
Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ
Havnt seen a lot from Hydra, but i'd say Ryung only advances if he manages to somehow get Hack in a TvT for a spot. Otherwise True/Hack looks like a safe bet
Wasnt Dream very hyped by all when the 4M movement began? I havent heard from him since then.
On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote: Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much.
You're desperate, aren't you.
TvZ is currently 10 v 11, so 48% with one game separating them. That's a bit different from the 1821% winrate T has against P.
Furthermore, Supernova and Bbyong made it into Code S by beating zergs. While not a single terran who had to play against a P made it into Code S.
While I don't think everything is alright in the TvZ MU after the WM nerf, this Code A does not show us that there's a problem.
On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T
Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow.
not a fucking chance
Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL.
Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man
Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place.
Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon.
No terran will advance tomorrow
Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ
Havnt seen a lot from Hydra, but i'd say Ryung only advances if he manages to somehow get Hack in a TvT for a spot. Otherwise True/Hack looks like a safe bet
Wasnt Dream very hyped by all when the 4M movement began? I havent heard from him since then.
Dream is like a rollercoaster, he shows amazing games but then falls down again and stays basicly hidden for months. Then he is amazing again for a short period and falls down again.. I dont know what to expect from Dream, but i rememmber that he was pretty good at TvZ as you did aswell
Oh and was it Dream or Hack that was so bad at TvT? One of them had like a 20% TvT winrate..
On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote: Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much.
Terrans are complaining about the TvP win-rates into qualifying for Code S from what I see. Can you show that TvZ win-rate is roughly on par with TvP win-rates?
On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote: Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much.
Maybe because it's 31-8 map wise in PvT, 15-18 in PvZ (with Daedalus) and 11-10 in TvZ? Or maybe because only one Terran player won a series against a Protoss player so far, and then proceeded to die against another Protoss player lol
On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote: Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much.
That's because terrans can actually beat zergs reliably, whereas in TvP they've won 1 BO3 of I dont know, 15?
Zerg is in a perfectly fine spot because it seems to have a good chance of beating both T and P. Protoss on the other hand has a balanced matchup in PvZ and absolutely rolls any terrans they come across.
On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote: Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much.
ofc Terran is complaining about Protoss. Only a single bo3 has been won in a TvP and it was really close with the protoss totally shitting the bed (even lost to mech).
Gumiho, Bbyong, and Supernova (4-0 vs Coca even) all won their TvZs.
Hack, Bravo, Cure, and especially theBest all losing at the hands of zerg is understandable given their ability and who they played.
On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T
Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow.
not a fucking chance
Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL.
Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man
Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place.
Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon.
No terran will advance tomorrow
Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ
Havnt seen a lot from Hydra, but i'd say Ryung only advances if he manages to somehow get Hack in a TvT for a spot. Otherwise True/Hack looks like a safe bet
Wasnt Dream very hyped by all when the 4M movement began? I havent heard from him since then.
Dream is like a rollercoaster, he shows amazing games but then falls down again and stays basicly hidden for months. Then he is amazing again for a short period and falls down again.. I dont know what to expect from Dream, but i rememmber that he was pretty good at TvZ as you did aswell
Oh and was it Dream or Hack that was so bad at TvT? One of them had like a 20% TvT winrate..
Dream is the one that is historically weak in TvT with stronger TvP and TvZ
On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote: Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much.
You're desperate, aren't you.
Not really. I'm giving you the facts.
The fact you're yelling about matchup percentages actually demonstrates you desparate you and your compatriots are. First you cry about Terran low representation because "whaaa all the Protoss are qualifying instead". Then its pointed out that Zerg are qualifying at roughly the same rate you change your tune.
But go ahead and keep crying about it if you want. I won't be reading any more. Absolutely no reasoning with the balance whine on these forums.
lol Celestial you're being incredibly biased yourself. while i don't care for balance whine or whatever, the reason why terrans are whining is the low winrate in TvP, despite zergs also doing decently. it should be pretty damn easy to see why.
On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote: Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much.
You're desperate, aren't you.
Not really. I'm giving you the facts.
The fact you're yelling about matchup percentages actually demonstrates you desparate you and your compatriots are. First you cry about Terran low representation because "whaaa all the Protoss are qualifying instead". Then its pointed out that Zerg are qualifying at roughly the same rate you change your tune.
But go ahead and keep crying about it if you want. I won't be reading any more. Absolutely no reasoning with the balance whine on these forums.
But match up percentages are kind of relevant when you're talking about balance etc. Of course Terrans are going to whine about Protoss over Zerg when they're actually winning TvZ's, that's just kind of how it works. Choosing to ignore that is silly.
On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote: Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much.
You're desperate, aren't you.
Not really. I'm giving you the facts.
The fact you're yelling about matchup percentages actually demonstrates you desparate you and your compatriots are. First you cry about Terran low representation because "whaaa all the Protoss are qualifying instead". Then its pointed out that Zerg are qualifying at roughly the same rate you change your tune.
But go ahead and keep crying about it if you want. I won't be reading any more. Absolutely no reasoning with the balance whine on these forums.
Oh you are that cool guy that just leaves if he sees that most of the people disagree with him
On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote: Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much.
You're desperate, aren't you.
Not really. I'm giving you the facts.
The fact you're yelling about matchup percentages actually demonstrates you desparate you and your compatriots are. First you cry about Terran low representation because "whaaa all the Protoss are qualifying instead". Then its pointed out that Zerg are qualifying at roughly the same rate you change your tune.
But go ahead and keep crying about it if you want. I won't be reading any more. Absolutely no reasoning with the balance whine on these forums.
Dude, I think you got something wrong here... I mean, even blind people should CLEARLY see something's wrong with TvP... Just has nothing to do with Zergs being decent against Protoss (in numbers and winrates alike)
On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote: Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much.
You're desperate, aren't you.
Not really. I'm giving you the facts.
The fact you're yelling about matchup percentages actually demonstrates you desparate you and your compatriots are. First you cry about Terran low representation because "whaaa all the Protoss are qualifying instead". Then its pointed out that Zerg are qualifying at roughly the same rate you change your tune.
But go ahead and keep crying about it if you want. I won't be reading any more. Absolutely no reasoning with the balance whine on these forums.
Oh you are that cool guy that just leaves if he sees that most of the people disagree with him
How innovative
better than the guy who sticks around and keeps arguing without listening i guess
On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote: Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much.
You're desperate, aren't you.
Not really. I'm giving you the facts.
The fact you're yelling about matchup percentages actually demonstrates you desparate you and your compatriots are. First you cry about Terran low representation because "whaaa all the Protoss are qualifying instead". Then its pointed out that Zerg are qualifying at roughly the same rate you change your tune.
But go ahead and keep crying about it if you want. I won't be reading any more. Absolutely no reasoning with the balance whine on these forums.
Oh you are that cool guy that just leaves if he sees that most of the people disagree with him
How innovative
better than the guy who sticks around and keeps arguing without listening i guess
On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote: Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much.
ofc Terran is complaining about Protoss. Only a single bo3 has been won in a TvP and it was really close with the protoss totally shitting the bed (even lost to mech).
Gumiho, Bbyong, and Supernova (4-0 vs Coca even) all won their TvZs.
Hack, Bravo, Cure, and especially theBest all losing at the hands of zerg is understandable given their ability and who they played.
everyone! David kim is here! we understand its balanced as whatever you say, the question is when is the next dt AOE patch you've been contemplating?
On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T
Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow.
not a fucking chance
Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL.
Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man
Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place.
Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon.
No terran will advance tomorrow
Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ
Ryung has some trouble with late game TvZ, but TRUE doesn't even build an Infestation Pit in the match-up so Ryung shouldn't have a problem with him, and he'll beat Dream in the winner's match.
On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T
Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow.
not a fucking chance
Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL.
Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man
Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place.
Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon.
No terran will advance tomorrow
Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ
Havnt seen a lot from Hydra, but i'd say Ryung only advances if he manages to somehow get Hack in a TvT for a spot. Otherwise True/Hack looks like a safe bet
Wasnt Dream very hyped by all when the 4M movement began? I havent heard from him since then.
and he's still a beast in TvP as well as TvZ. The only reason we don't see him in Code S all the time is because he's weak in TvT... and he gets nervous sometimes. All the Koreans know he's a practice bonjwa.
On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote: Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much.
You're desperate, aren't you.
Not really. I'm giving you the facts.
The fact you're yelling about matchup percentages actually demonstrates you desparate you and your compatriots are. First you cry about Terran low representation because "whaaa all the Protoss are qualifying instead". Then its pointed out that Zerg are qualifying at roughly the same rate you change your tune.
But go ahead and keep crying about it if you want. I won't be reading any more. Absolutely no reasoning with the balance whine on these forums.
Oh you are that cool guy that just leaves if he sees that most of the people disagree with him
How innovative
better than the guy who sticks around and keeps arguing without listening i guess
Well yeah, i suppose that would be worse
That was such a random encounter, I´m suspecting TL is some kind of RPG.
And regarding Seed... Why would you change the name you´ve won a GSL under?
On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote: Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much.
You're desperate, aren't you.
Not really. I'm giving you the facts.
The fact you're yelling about matchup percentages actually demonstrates you desparate you and your compatriots are. First you cry about Terran low representation because "whaaa all the Protoss are qualifying instead". Then its pointed out that Zerg are qualifying at roughly the same rate you change your tune.
But go ahead and keep crying about it if you want. I won't be reading any more. Absolutely no reasoning with the balance whine on these forums.
Oh you are that cool guy that just leaves if he sees that most of the people disagree with him
How innovative
better than the guy who sticks around and keeps arguing without listening i guess
Well yeah, i suppose that would be worse
That was such a random encounter, I´m suspecting TL is some kind of RPG.
And regarding Seed... Why would you change the name you´ve won a GSL under?
Because nobody remembers that he won a GSL under that name.
On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote: Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much.
ofc Terran is complaining about Protoss. Only a single bo3 has been won in a TvP and it was really close with the protoss totally shitting the bed (even lost to mech).
Gumiho, Bbyong, and Supernova (4-0 vs Coca even) all won their TvZs.
Hack, Bravo, Cure, and especially theBest all losing at the hands of zerg is understandable given their ability and who they played.
You know what ? It was pretty much what I said back in 2011. The only difference is that I didn't bash the terrans who won. And it was not only one season, it was a vast majority of the GSL seasons in 2011 in which terrans doubled the number of protoss, including GSL October when there were 20 terrans in code S RO32 for 5 P, only 1 P making it to the RO16. I wasn't even whining hard, just saying facts. And yet I was like a heretic here, people being like "terrans are just naturally better" or shit like this.
Of course I understand your frustration, I really do. I don't say I want a revenge because P has seemed unfavored in the past. Not at all. That would be so stupid. Actually I really hope TvP gets fixed (either by a meta change or a patch).
Back in 2011 I wish I would have been told this and not being bashed for saying I was frustrated.
On January 23 2014 23:32 Ammanas wrote: Anyway, would anyone expect Reality to beat Sora at all, considering history of both?
this is very true. Reality has a 48% TvP winrate on aligulac (worst matchup) whereas Sora has a 75% winrate in PvT (best matchup). Reality hasn't won a TvP since October and since that win he is 0-7 against 7 different protoss players including Tassadar. Meanwhile Sora is 11/13 in his recent PvT's beating players like Flash, Dream, and Bbyong.
On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T
Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow.
not a fucking chance
Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL.
Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man
Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place.
Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon.
No terran will advance tomorrow
Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ
Ryung has some trouble with late game TvZ, but TRUE doesn't even build an Infestation Pit in the match-up so Ryung shouldn't have a problem with him, and he'll beat Dream in the winner's match.
On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T
Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow.
not a fucking chance
Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL.
Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man
Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place.
Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon.
No terran will advance tomorrow
Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ
Havnt seen a lot from Hydra, but i'd say Ryung only advances if he manages to somehow get Hack in a TvT for a spot. Otherwise True/Hack looks like a safe bet
Wasnt Dream very hyped by all when the 4M movement began? I havent heard from him since then.
and he's still a beast in TvP as well as TvZ. The only reason we don't see him in Code S all the time is because he's weak in TvT... and he gets nervous sometimes. All the Koreans know he's a practice bonjwa.
Yeah, now i remember, it was a nice run. I went through his aligulac file and its just as you said, he is quite strong in TvZ and TvP, so there is hope that he will advance :D. Dream fighting!
On January 23 2014 23:32 Ammanas wrote: Anyway, would anyone expect Reality to beat Sora at all, considering history of both?
this is very true. Reality has a 48% TvP winrate on aligulac (worst matchup) whereas Sora has a 75% winrate in PvT (best matchup). Reality hasn't won a TvP since October and since that win he is 0-7 against 7 different protoss players including Tassadar. Meanwhile Sora is 11/13 in his recent PvT's beating players like Flash, Dream, and Bbyong.
Yeah, I mean... sure, there is an edge for protoss in PvT matchup, there's not denying that. Besides maybe minor balance tweaks that are needed, things like map pool and metagame are heavily contributing towards that.
But the worst thing for me is that people now just circlejerk about terrans losing and not for one second stop and think about whether the protoss players are actually good. They are completely neglecting the fact, that those protoss players would probably win anyway - herO is one of the best protoss on the planet, Sora is the biggest hypetrain since DRG and everyone who followed last years Proleague has known that Classic will make a huge splash this year. Yonghwa was always capable of beating the best opponents, Squirtle is Code S player since forever and Zest + Stats are very good in their own right.
So yeah, while all of them HAD a slight advantage in the matchup, it's still a big accomplishment and it actually pains me that everyone is attributing that to only the balance and not to the players skill whatsoever.
On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote: Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much.
ofc Terran is complaining about Protoss. Only a single bo3 has been won in a TvP and it was really close with the protoss totally shitting the bed (even lost to mech).
Gumiho, Bbyong, and Supernova (4-0 vs Coca even) all won their TvZs.
Hack, Bravo, Cure, and especially theBest all losing at the hands of zerg is understandable given their ability and who they played.
You know what ? It was pretty much what I said back in 2011. The only difference is that I didn't bash the terrans who won. And it was not only one season, it was a vast majority of the GSL seasons in 2011 in which terrans doubled the number of protoss, including GSL October when there were 20 terrans in code S RO32 for 5 P, only 1 P making it to the RO16. I wasn't even whining hard, just saying facts. And yet I was like a heretic here, people being like "terrans are just naturally better" or shit like this.
Of course I understand your frustration, I really do. I don't say I want a revenge because P has seemed unfavored in the past. Not at all. That would be so stupid. Actually I really hope TvP gets fixed (either by a meta change or a patch).
Back in 2011 I wish I would have been told this and not being bashed for saying I was frustrated.
Protoss lost their 5s storm warpin base defense (kaydarin nerf). The Code A / UD / Code S structure delayed the effect for Code S. (Plus at the beginning of sc2 many top players choose T / nowadays imo its more even cause there are established star players for all races.)
Imo its a matter of maybe one month, then we will see P nerfs from Blizz.
On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T
Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow.
not a fucking chance
Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL.
Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man
Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place.
Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon.
No terran will advance tomorrow
Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ
Ryung has some trouble with late game TvZ, but TRUE doesn't even build an Infestation Pit in the match-up so Ryung shouldn't have a problem with him, and he'll beat Dream in the winner's match.
On January 23 2014 22:01 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On January 23 2014 22:00 BlackCompany wrote:
On January 23 2014 21:54 Shellshock wrote:
On January 23 2014 21:53 Tchado wrote:
On January 23 2014 21:51 Elite_ wrote:
On January 23 2014 21:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On January 23 2014 21:43 Tchado wrote:
On January 23 2014 21:41 Elite_ wrote: [quote] Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow.
not a fucking chance
Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL.
Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man
Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place.
Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon.
No terran will advance tomorrow
Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ
Havnt seen a lot from Hydra, but i'd say Ryung only advances if he manages to somehow get Hack in a TvT for a spot. Otherwise True/Hack looks like a safe bet
Wasnt Dream very hyped by all when the 4M movement began? I havent heard from him since then.
and he's still a beast in TvP as well as TvZ. The only reason we don't see him in Code S all the time is because he's weak in TvT... and he gets nervous sometimes. All the Koreans know he's a practice bonjwa.
Yeah, now i remember, it was a nice run. I went through his aligulac file and its just as you said, he is quite strong in TvZ and TvP, so there is hope that he will advance :D. Dream fighting!
Who knows? With the extreme lack of Terran players Dream could win this season of Code S. ;o
As of now idk if Sora is pretty good or what. A few months ago i would say Sora is pretty good but with the current situation of tvp and the state of protoss in particular. I am doubtful he is that good from what i am thinking or is just benefiting the current state of the game right now like how other zergs beat other player who are far beyond their level during BL-Infestor . Maybe i am underrating him but it is hard to not to underrate a protoss right now.
Though i didn't doubt Reality would lose to Sora since i feel like Sora is overall better than Reality. I guess.
On January 23 2014 23:32 Ammanas wrote: Anyway, would anyone expect Reality to beat Sora at all, considering history of both?
this is very true. Reality has a 48% TvP winrate on aligulac (worst matchup) whereas Sora has a 75% winrate in PvT (best matchup). Reality hasn't won a TvP since October and since that win he is 0-7 against 7 different protoss players including Tassadar. Meanwhile Sora is 11/13 in his recent PvT's beating players like Flash, Dream, and Bbyong.
Yeah, I mean... sure, there is an edge for protoss in PvT matchup, there's not denying that. Besides maybe minor balance tweaks that are needed, things like map pool and metagame are heavily contributing towards that.
But the worst thing for me is that people now just circlejerk about terrans losing and not for one second stop and think about whether the protoss players are actually good. They are completely neglecting the fact, that those protoss players would probably win anyway - herO is one of the best protoss on the planet, Sora is the biggest hypetrain since DRG and everyone who followed last years Proleague has known that Classic will make a huge splash this year. Yonghwa was always capable of beating the best opponents, Squirtle is Code S player since forever and Zest + Stats are very good in their own right.
So yeah, while all of them HAD a slight advantage in the matchup, it's still a big accomplishment and it actually pains me that everyone is attributing that to only the balance and not to the players skill whatsoever.
Squirtle....c'mon,r u gonna say younghwa and all the other toss players who advanced? does it ever occur in your mind that since when there're so many talented,most skilled non-terran players esp when they play against terrans, oh wait, since nerf of mine and hellbat
On January 23 2014 21:40 Hopelessnoob wrote: that win was disgusting... 3 terrans T.T
Don't worry. Ryung and Dream will crush the Zergs tomorrow.
not a fucking chance
Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL.
Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man
Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place.
Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon.
No terran will advance tomorrow
Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ
Ryung has some trouble with late game TvZ, but TRUE doesn't even build an Infestation Pit in the match-up so Ryung shouldn't have a problem with him, and he'll beat Dream in the winner's match.
On January 23 2014 22:01 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On January 23 2014 22:00 BlackCompany wrote:
On January 23 2014 21:54 Shellshock wrote:
On January 23 2014 21:53 Tchado wrote:
On January 23 2014 21:51 Elite_ wrote:
On January 23 2014 21:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On January 23 2014 21:43 Tchado wrote: [quote]
not a fucking chance
Dream could do it if he's in prime form. Especially given how unimpressive Hydra's been in SPL.
Ryung, I'm afraid, is a dead man
Nope. Ryung will advance from his group in first place.
Yeah and I'm a blue eye white dragon.
No terran will advance tomorrow
Group seems fairly wide open to me imo. I think Ryung was struggling a little with zerg before but that was a few months ago so idk how he's doing now. Personally I went with TRUE and Dream because I think Dream has very good TvZ
Havnt seen a lot from Hydra, but i'd say Ryung only advances if he manages to somehow get Hack in a TvT for a spot. Otherwise True/Hack looks like a safe bet
Wasnt Dream very hyped by all when the 4M movement began? I havent heard from him since then.
and he's still a beast in TvP as well as TvZ. The only reason we don't see him in Code S all the time is because he's weak in TvT... and he gets nervous sometimes. All the Koreans know he's a practice bonjwa.
Yeah, now i remember, it was a nice run. I went through his aligulac file and its just as you said, he is quite strong in TvZ and TvP, so there is hope that he will advance :D. Dream fighting!
Who knows? With the extreme lack of Terran players Dream could win this season of Code S. ;o
Man, that would be awesome! PvP is coinflippy enough to screw a few PvT experts. But i guess that he would then be forgotten like Seed and Jjakji.
On January 23 2014 21:42 shadymmj wrote: i try to refrain from making balance comments, but doesn't anyone notice that all sora does is defend with warp ins, POs and frankly uncallable mind games such as if and when he will all-in, and then takes just one engagement to win? all the drops were deflected with ease despite sora's army not being in a good position, nor did he really scout them. hack was undoubtedly the more active player there.
So players should never be allowed to win by defending the whole game or what?
On January 23 2014 23:32 Ammanas wrote: Anyway, would anyone expect Reality to beat Sora at all, considering history of both?
this is very true. Reality has a 48% TvP winrate on aligulac (worst matchup) whereas Sora has a 75% winrate in PvT (best matchup). Reality hasn't won a TvP since October and since that win he is 0-7 against 7 different protoss players including Tassadar. Meanwhile Sora is 11/13 in his recent PvT's beating players like Flash, Dream, and Bbyong.
Yeah, I mean... sure, there is an edge for protoss in PvT matchup, there's not denying that. Besides maybe minor balance tweaks that are needed, things like map pool and metagame are heavily contributing towards that.
But the worst thing for me is that people now just circlejerk about terrans losing and not for one second stop and think about whether the protoss players are actually good. They are completely neglecting the fact, that those protoss players would probably win anyway - herO is one of the best protoss on the planet, Sora is the biggest hypetrain since DRG and everyone who followed last years Proleague has known that Classic will make a huge splash this year. Yonghwa was always capable of beating the best opponents, Squirtle is Code S player since forever and Zest + Stats are very good in their own right.
So yeah, while all of them HAD a slight advantage in the matchup, it's still a big accomplishment and it actually pains me that everyone is attributing that to only the balance and not to the players skill whatsoever.
There is no denying that Protosses in Code S are some of the best players in the world. The problem, I feel, is that our assessment of player skill is quite dependent on how the race globally does (be it pure strength, being ahead in the metagame, maps, etc..). Like, I, Terran player, would probably consider Reality as mediocre (because let's face it, he loses a lot) and Sora quite good, because he wins shit, but I think I should wait a bit before calling every Protoss who wins a TvP godly and every Terran who loses a TvP awful, if you don't mind.
Seeing these games, I feel like there's two things wrong in the TvP matchup.
Speed boost medivacs need to go or be significantly nerfed, and the radius of EMP should be reduced by one. To make this a fair matchup, you can't give one race all the mobility and make the other rely on a weaker version of the (OP) PF.
On January 23 2014 23:32 Ammanas wrote: Anyway, would anyone expect Reality to beat Sora at all, considering history of both?
this is very true. Reality has a 48% TvP winrate on aligulac (worst matchup) whereas Sora has a 75% winrate in PvT (best matchup). Reality hasn't won a TvP since October and since that win he is 0-7 against 7 different protoss players including Tassadar. Meanwhile Sora is 11/13 in his recent PvT's beating players like Flash, Dream, and Bbyong.
Yeah, I mean... sure, there is an edge for protoss in PvT matchup, there's not denying that. Besides maybe minor balance tweaks that are needed, things like map pool and metagame are heavily contributing towards that.
But the worst thing for me is that people now just circlejerk about terrans losing and not for one second stop and think about whether the protoss players are actually good. They are completely neglecting the fact, that those protoss players would probably win anyway - herO is one of the best protoss on the planet, Sora is the biggest hypetrain since DRG and everyone who followed last years Proleague has known that Classic will make a huge splash this year. Yonghwa was always capable of beating the best opponents, Squirtle is Code S player since forever and Zest + Stats are very good in their own right.
So yeah, while all of them HAD a slight advantage in the matchup, it's still a big accomplishment and it actually pains me that everyone is attributing that to only the balance and not to the players skill whatsoever.
Squirtle....c'mon,r u gonna say younghwa and all the other toss players who advanced? does it ever occur in your mind that since when there're so many talented,most skilled non-terran players esp when they play against terrans, oh wait, since nerf of mine and hellbat
I'm going to attempt to decipher this as you whining that there aren't any Terran players considered skilled because they have been weak for a while which is hiding their true skill. I would like to point out that most of the good Korean Terrans ran off to the other WCS regions.
Bomber, Polt, Taeja, MMA, Mvp, Jjakji, among other Terrans who have left Korea to play in Europe and America. Compared to the number of Protoss who made the switch... Duckdeok. Then he retired. Innovation should have made Code S, but his TvP has been deceptively weak for a while, losing to Naniwa in the Season 2 finals, Duckdeok at Blizzcon among other surpririsng losses. Flash has struggled heavily in individual leagues ever since he made the switch, his grand achievement is finishing last in the group of death and almost beating Life at MLG when Terran was considered stronger and the game had just been released. None of these other Terrans have ever been higher quality then low-tier Code S player or journeyman Code A qualifier.
Also: for every Terran who you'll consider good at TvP, I will probably find 10 Protosses you consider good at PvT. Conversely, for every Protoss you consider bad at PvT, I will put down my pants and go get ass-raped by a boar.
On January 24 2014 01:10 ZenithM wrote: Also: for every Terran who you'll consider good at TvP, I will probably find 10 Protosses you consider good at PvT. Conversely, for every Protoss you consider bad at PvT, I will put down my pants and go get ass-raped by a boar.
On January 24 2014 01:10 ZenithM wrote: Also: for every Terran who you'll consider good at TvP, I will probably find 10 Protosses you consider good at PvT. Conversely, for every Protoss you consider bad at PvT, I will put down my pants and go get ass-raped by a boar.
Protip: I'm not taking any risks.
Creator is kind of bad at PvT. The only terrans he's beaten since June 2013 are hanbin, Labyrinth, Legend, and Bunny. He even just lost to eins in the IEM Cologne qualifiers.
I dunno where you're going to find a boar, but I'd recommend backing out of this deal.
On January 24 2014 01:06 SixStrings wrote: Seeing these games, I feel like there's two things wrong in the TvP matchup.
Speed boost medivacs need to go or be significantly nerfed, and the radius of EMP should be reduced by one. To make this a fair matchup, you can't give one race all the mobility and make the other rely on a weaker version of the (OP) PF.
Pardon my intrusion in the PvEveryone wars, but how were the DRG games? I don't get to catch these later broadcasts and had no hopes of him advancing. Excited to see how he does in Code S now!
On January 24 2014 02:16 ssxsilver wrote: Pardon my intrusion in the PvEveryone wars, but how were the DRG games? I don't get to catch these later broadcasts and had no hopes of him advancing. Excited to see how he does in Code S now!
He looked impressive. Not as good as his dominating best but better than I have come to expect from him recently. He did make some mistakes in his final game against Sora but he was so far ahead that it didn't matter. If he plays like that it will be good to watch him in Code S.
On January 23 2014 23:32 Ammanas wrote: Anyway, would anyone expect Reality to beat Sora at all, considering history of both?
this is very true. Reality has a 48% TvP winrate on aligulac (worst matchup) whereas Sora has a 75% winrate in PvT (best matchup). Reality hasn't won a TvP since October and since that win he is 0-7 against 7 different protoss players including Tassadar. Meanwhile Sora is 11/13 in his recent PvT's beating players like Flash, Dream, and Bbyong.
Yeah, I mean... sure, there is an edge for protoss in PvT matchup, there's not denying that. Besides maybe minor balance tweaks that are needed, things like map pool and metagame are heavily contributing towards that.
But the worst thing for me is that people now just circlejerk about terrans losing and not for one second stop and think about whether the protoss players are actually good. They are completely neglecting the fact, that those protoss players would probably win anyway - herO is one of the best protoss on the planet, Sora is the biggest hypetrain since DRG and everyone who followed last years Proleague has known that Classic will make a huge splash this year. Yonghwa was always capable of beating the best opponents, Squirtle is Code S player since forever and Zest + Stats are very good in their own right.
So yeah, while all of them HAD a slight advantage in the matchup, it's still a big accomplishment and it actually pains me that everyone is attributing that to only the balance and not to the players skill whatsoever.
Good post. Thanks for making that clear. Let's not forget that many top Korean T are also playing outside of Korea atm.
Edit/ This is not to say that a patch may not be required. Just that I'm not going to jerk my knee just yet.
On January 24 2014 02:16 ssxsilver wrote: Pardon my intrusion in the PvEveryone wars, but how were the DRG games? I don't get to catch these later broadcasts and had no hopes of him advancing. Excited to see how he does in Code S now!
He looked impressive. Not as good as his dominating best but better than I have come to expect from him recently. He did make some mistakes in his final game against Sora but he was so far ahead that it didn't matter. If he plays like that it will be good to watch him in Code S.
On January 23 2014 23:32 Ammanas wrote: Anyway, would anyone expect Reality to beat Sora at all, considering history of both?
this is very true. Reality has a 48% TvP winrate on aligulac (worst matchup) whereas Sora has a 75% winrate in PvT (best matchup). Reality hasn't won a TvP since October and since that win he is 0-7 against 7 different protoss players including Tassadar. Meanwhile Sora is 11/13 in his recent PvT's beating players like Flash, Dream, and Bbyong.
Yeah, I mean... sure, there is an edge for protoss in PvT matchup, there's not denying that. Besides maybe minor balance tweaks that are needed, things like map pool and metagame are heavily contributing towards that.
But the worst thing for me is that people now just circlejerk about terrans losing and not for one second stop and think about whether the protoss players are actually good. They are completely neglecting the fact, that those protoss players would probably win anyway - herO is one of the best protoss on the planet, Sora is the biggest hypetrain since DRG and everyone who followed last years Proleague has known that Classic will make a huge splash this year. Yonghwa was always capable of beating the best opponents, Squirtle is Code S player since forever and Zest + Stats are very good in their own right.
So yeah, while all of them HAD a slight advantage in the matchup, it's still a big accomplishment and it actually pains me that everyone is attributing that to only the balance and not to the players skill whatsoever.
Good post. Thanks for making that clear. Let's not forget that many top Korean T are also playing outside of Korea atm.
Edit/ This is not to say that a patch may not be required. Just that I'm not going to jerk my knee just yet.
The only ones I'll definitely give you credit for are Bomber & Taeja. Jjakji has recently been looking good, so he's a maybe. That's 3 Terrans.
On January 23 2014 23:32 Ammanas wrote: Anyway, would anyone expect Reality to beat Sora at all, considering history of both?
this is very true. Reality has a 48% TvP winrate on aligulac (worst matchup) whereas Sora has a 75% winrate in PvT (best matchup). Reality hasn't won a TvP since October and since that win he is 0-7 against 7 different protoss players including Tassadar. Meanwhile Sora is 11/13 in his recent PvT's beating players like Flash, Dream, and Bbyong.
Yeah, I mean... sure, there is an edge for protoss in PvT matchup, there's not denying that. Besides maybe minor balance tweaks that are needed, things like map pool and metagame are heavily contributing towards that.
But the worst thing for me is that people now just circlejerk about terrans losing and not for one second stop and think about whether the protoss players are actually good. They are completely neglecting the fact, that those protoss players would probably win anyway - herO is one of the best protoss on the planet, Sora is the biggest hypetrain since DRG and everyone who followed last years Proleague has known that Classic will make a huge splash this year. Yonghwa was always capable of beating the best opponents, Squirtle is Code S player since forever and Zest + Stats are very good in their own right.
So yeah, while all of them HAD a slight advantage in the matchup, it's still a big accomplishment and it actually pains me that everyone is attributing that to only the balance and not to the players skill whatsoever.
Good post. Thanks for making that clear. Let's not forget that many top Korean T are also playing outside of Korea atm.
Edit/ This is not to say that a patch may not be required. Just that I'm not going to jerk my knee just yet.
The only ones I'll definitely give you credit for are Bomber & Taeja. Jjakji has recently been looking good, so he's a maybe. That's 3 Terrans.
Maybe not definitely in Code S but they'd at least be competing for Code S spots. aLive is another Terran that is outside Korea, MMA, Mvp who have been outside Korea for awhile, and YoDa who recently left. Those are pretty damn good Terran's that are no longer competing for Code S spots, which would in turn create less protoss/zerg spots and even out the numbers a bit. But a lot of the Terran's either underperformed like Flash and TY who didn't even qualify for code A, and there were a lot of good groups with 2 Terran's, like Bbyong and Fantasy who got matched up against each other and ended up knocking 1 terran out. So it's been a combination of bad luck, the current map pool being pretty strong for certain PvT builds(cough blink stalkers cough) and there just not being that many really good Terran's in Korea right now. Try and name the top 10 korean terran's and I guarantee you the majority of them aren't competing in Korea. It's just how it is at the moment, but I do think certain tweaks need to be made to the matchup, but there's a lot of things that haven't been figured out yet. A lot of the Blink play was in response to the greedy builds terran's were using. For example, INnovation, MMA, Flash, were using a lot of 2racks (1 reactor, 1 techlab) which isn't nearly enough production to get out enough marauders to deal with blink stalkers. The thinking was that 1reactor barracks was essentially 2 barracks production. But the problem was the 3 barracks build (1 techlab, 2 non add-on) which allowed them to get 1 more tech lab after scouting blink. That wasn't possible with this build and it made Blink really strong. You will notice that basically anytime a Terran gets 3barracks a Blink all-in fails, or they don't even attempt it because they know it won't do as well.
On January 23 2014 22:05 -Celestial- wrote: Zerg is currently at a 7/11 64% rate of qualifying to Code S. Roughly on par with the 11/16 69% qualification rate for Protoss.
And yet Terrans only complain about one of these. Bias much.
ofc Terran is complaining about Protoss. Only a single bo3 has been won in a TvP and it was really close with the protoss totally shitting the bed (even lost to mech).
Gumiho, Bbyong, and Supernova (4-0 vs Coca even) all won their TvZs.
Hack, Bravo, Cure, and especially theBest all losing at the hands of zerg is understandable given their ability and who they played.
You know what ? It was pretty much what I said back in 2011. The only difference is that I didn't bash the terrans who won. And it was not only one season, it was a vast majority of the GSL seasons in 2011 in which terrans doubled the number of protoss, including GSL October when there were 20 terrans in code S RO32 for 5 P, only 1 P making it to the RO16. I wasn't even whining hard, just saying facts. And yet I was like a heretic here, people being like "terrans are just naturally better" or shit like this.
Of course I understand your frustration, I really do. I don't say I want a revenge because P has seemed unfavored in the past. Not at all. That would be so stupid. Actually I really hope TvP gets fixed (either by a meta change or a patch).
Back in 2011 I wish I would have been told this and not being bashed for saying I was frustrated.
Protoss lost their 5s storm warpin base defense (kaydarin nerf). The Code A / UD / Code S structure delayed the effect for Code S. (Plus at the beginning of sc2 many top players choose T / nowadays imo its more even cause there are established star players for all races.)
Imo its a matter of maybe one month, then we will see P nerfs from Blizz.
Sorry but this is something I don't believe to be true. Other than this I understand what you mean, but I wasn't asking for an explanation about why P had some bad times in GSL. I was just pointing out the difference between what we were able to say as sad zealots, compared to the amount of whine that we can see recently. At that time, if I just said "so many terrans in GSL", I would be bashed and told that the protoss opponent was so noob or something like that.
If this week I said that the terrans lost because they were all noobs, with all the mad marines around I would have been flamed to death. And this is understandable, some maps look like dumb when it comes to blink allin, I understand the frustration.
I m not asking an explanation, just saying the community should be aware of this kinda bias when it comes to race bashing and whine.
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