EPTOther than your "I don't think he's new point" can you particularly tell me why this is bad scummy as opposed to just bad townie?
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
Other than your "I don't think he's new point" can you particularly tell me why this is bad scummy as opposed to just bad townie? | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 02 2012 19:49 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, your inactivity would have looked a lot better if you say so beforehand, you know, establishing credibilty and stuff. Now onto mattchew. His list generated discussion for town, which is good and also neatly piled up all the "scummy lurkers", which was a good thing. Why are you so intent on lynching for information? Mattchews line about "deserving" I interpreted as simply one lurker down, if he had been interested in this game he might have defended himself? A mislynch on a townie is bad but foxtrot did nothing that helped town, so it is kind of "deserving" as anti-town play is especially play we want to make out and eliminate, so to me there is nothing wrong with that quote. Your conclusion that if mattchew dies all ppl on the list are town is just wrong. Bussing has always happened and will always continue to happen. still reading, just dropping by to say OMG FAITH IN HUMANITY RESTORED HERE | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 02 2012 22:26 marvellosity wrote: austin, I don't particularly want to bash another player. He seems to have spectacular fails in logical and correct thinking. Other than your "I don't think he's new point" can you particularly tell me why this is bad scummy as opposed to just bad townie? + Show Spoiler + On July 02 2012 20:24 marvellosity wrote: The story of the puppy Vivax There was once a cute little puppy called Vivax. And he lived with his kind and benevolent owner, Mr. marvellosity. One fine summer's day, marvellosity had invited over some friends over for a light lunch with champagne and strawberries. But the cute little puppy Vivax was barking and running around annoying all the guests. "What is wrong with him?" ShiaoPi asked, concerned. "He wants another biscuit," answered marvellosity. "But if I were to give him another, he would get indigestion. I try to explain to the poor pup, but alas he does not understand as he is only a puppy." "That is a shame," nodded Acrofales, knowingly. Vivax the puppy was getting more and more wound up as he barked at people and no-one would listen. Why could he not have another biscuit? What kind of unnatural cruelty was denying him one of the great pleasures of puppy life? It seems he had forgotten that he had already had a biscuit, the poor pup. Eventually the little pup lost the plot, and with his little tail and ears flying, charged at his loving owner, marvellosity, barking and yelping, paws racing. marvellosity merely smiled, and put his finger against poor pup Vivax's forehead, watching him running on the spot to no avail. Eventually marvellosity picked poor pup Vivax up by the scruff of his neck, and put him in his cage. Hopefully the pup would be calmer after he slept a little. The End Before I answer your question, I want to make sure. You still read drwiggl3s as bad townie? You think he is a new player and has poor logic? | ||
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Mattchew
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
My question is not dependent on yours, so please go ahead and answer it. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Going to rely on the time-honored tradition of "I asked you first" here. | ||
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marvellosity
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Mattchew
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drwig could be bad town, but he is really pushing scummy ideas into the thread other people I am looking at include twelve layabout ghost casualman. casualman still has yet to offer anything useful to the thread which is driving me crazy s0lstice i am afraid to read into because he argued with a lot of my points which may screw up my view on him. austinmcc and Acro look to be trying hard, but I am wary of Acro being pretty good at scum ve needs to post more, and fast. I think he is not posting at his normal rate, and he hasn't sunk his locked teeth into anyone of either alignment yet which is weird ve - where you at and what do you think of everything that has happened post lynch? Do you have any strong reads on anyone else that is not currently being discussed? Marv what do you think of acro and VE | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
Re: VE. Not sure yet. It could be his wbg bumming from Movie having an effect on his play here. He could genuinely be trying to tone things down a bit. Acrofales - seems to have a pretty solid filter. The only real incongruence I found was that he made a case on BKexe only to later say that he didn't really want to lynch him at all, which doesn't add up so well. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
The reasoning on why his D1 play is bad scum as opposed to bad town is relatively weak. Going to try not to stretch it. But I don't think there are good reasons for finding him to be bad townie on D1 either. My scummy read on him DOES rely somewhat on me thinking he's not new. It sounds like you're saying that. If so, you either think he's new and just happened to name himself drwiggl3s in order to start playing in mrwiggles' game, and using terms like soft defense. If you have changed your mind and think he's smurfing, then he's lied about being new. While smurfs are all lying about their identities in a way, that's a step above and beyond. Other than that, he's clearly read the thread. He brings up little posts like mattchew's list, my mention before deadline that the vote was 7/7/7, couple other things. And the reason he finally comes back and explains his ninja vote is On July 01 2012 05:13 drwiggl3s wrote: Ok since some people asked, here's what I'm thinking. Look at the intervening hours between his vote (pg 15) and explanation (pg 20). Here are the references to drwiggl3s in that time period: On June 30 2012 18:42 Acrofales wrote: As Mattchew put it so succinctly: what the hell is this? (austinmcc note: Mattchew did not reference drwiggl3s in the intervening hours, this just references mattchew's earlier comment on casualman's vote, which drwiggl3s uses later in his explanation for his BKE vote) On July 01 2012 00:05 Acrofales wrote: Btw, I disagree on the reasoning. Something as dumb as casualman (and later drwiggles) have done is a dumbtell, not a scumtell. I am not sure what to make of it, which is why I have a bad feeling about the BKE bandwagon either way and am waiting for BKE, casualman and drwiggles to explain themselves. On July 01 2012 00:28 ShiaoPi wrote: Those posts have generally been snipped to just the wiggl3s mentions. He's not the main topic of conversation. There's a lot going on in those 5 pages. He gets mentioned 3 times in passing, by 2 players only, and in 2 of those mentions it's part of a list. Yet he was reading closely enough to see that he was mentioned and respond.Well you raise some good points on mkmkmk, filter size is really small though and he should pop by to post something more, before I would judge him. Generally said, activity could really use a bump :O I think there are still a bunch of players who have not posted yet, also BKE, casualman mind coming back to answer questions? Add drwiggles to that list, dropping a vote without reason and disappearing afterwards is baaaad. - His explanation for his vote is still bad. Very bad. Yes, that doesn't mean bad scummy - He doesn't comment on anything else in the thread when he explains his vote. His purpose for his only substantive post D1 is to explain his ninja vote, nothing more. Like he needed to get that done, but couldn't be bothered to actually play mafia. Look at part of his explanation On July 01 2012 05:13 drwiggl3s wrote: He's read. He finds some people scummy. He doesn't just come out and say who.As for other players: I find many people are soft defending BKEXE and in their posts trying to put suspicion onto others (with little reason). I see these as scummy moves. - In his D1 wrapup and all his comments last night, he never mentions my post on him. He read close enough to see my 7/7/7 comment, to see that people mentioned him, but either didn't read a sizeable post on himself or didn't address it. Unsure whether I read this as scummy, but if I'm new and I'm town, I don't want anyone suspicious of me. I know overreaction is scummy, but complete nonreaction from a new townie isn't something I'd expect either. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
I also like your point about not even trying to defend himself even though he is clearly reading the thread. What do you make of his play since the lynch? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
The paranoid version of his play since the lynch is that he was told to get more active and look like dumb town. I'm not on that train of thought yet. He pushes his bad logic so hard that he gets ET, who really wants to engage in discussion with people at this time, to just shrug him off and add him to a personal ignore list. What's one way to dodge pressure that might be coming your way once people aren't focused on foxtrot? Drop a bunch of nonsense and get people to ignore you entirely. The non-paranoid take on his play since the lynch is that it's bad. There are the comments on Mattchew, the dialogue with ET. One thing that caught my attention was: On July 02 2012 15:17 drwiggl3s wrote: Somehow (I have no clue how his posts were read as scum), people hint and drop Fox's name as a possible scum candidate. After testing the waters, a bandwagon is launched on him and it get's the votes. This lynch not only killed a fellow town, but it also netted 0 information on who else could be scum. On July 02 2012 16:01 drwiggl3s wrote: Foxtrot by all means did NOT deserve the noose he got. He posted late, and said sorry for being busy. Is that an obvious "scum post"? Yes. So obvious that any scum with any sense would NOT post it. Any read on him being scum tells more about the person pointing fingers than it does on Foxtrot himself. No intervening posts, both posts snipped down a little. In the first, drwiggl3s has no clue how Foxtrot's posts were read as scum. In the second, Foxtrot's post was "an obvious 'scum post.'" He concludes that it was too obvious for scum to make, which may be HIS reasoning for why Foxtrot's post wasn't scummy, but he CANNOT have "no clue" why Foxtrot's post was read as scummy if he thinks it was too scummy to be scummy. I key in more on those two posts than I do on the other stuff. Overall, bad play isn't alignment indicative. His play since the lynch isn't particularly alignment-indicative for me. I don't love those two posts, but nothing he's done since makes me lean townier or scummier on him. shiaopi and solstice, I'd still like y'all's thoughts on wiggl3s. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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my read on wiggles is a slightly scummy one right now. d1 I had him under scummy/nulltell lurker his nightposts have been confusing and outright wrong partly. I also do not think he is playing his first game, not sure if that makes him scummier. Your point about him reading but not wanting to respond to your case is quite telling though, so I would just keep my Fos on him right now. Hyaach is somebody we should also keep a good eye on, he is lurking and not contributing anything at all. But could be just his playstyle, judging from the one I played with him. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
Post 1 is a blatant misrepresentation of what occurred in the thread, along with the bullshit information stuff Post 2 is playing all wise after the event. As usual "too scummy to be scum" is not a defence. Especially when, as you point out, it's tacked on to his "I can't see what people saw as scummy" view. Then there's the insidiousness of pointing the finger at the instigator of the lynch (in this case me). To make it clear again: I have no clue how his posts were read as scum Is that an obvious "scum post"? Yes ... | ||
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marvellosity
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layabout
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:54 layabout wrote: ##shoot layabout | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17959 Posts
On July 02 2012 02:59 Acrofales wrote: I had a "leaning town" in my notes for you, but upon revising I'm not sure why. Maybe because of your first post. However, I just went through your filter and I don't get it. + Show Spoiler [casualman is town] + On June 30 2012 23:31 layabout wrote: casual is probably town because he broke the rules. His vote make me sick to my stomach. He has some explaining to do. Hyaach need to stop sitting on his ass waiting for someone else to make a case and do something. I don't get this: I cannot give a judgement worth anything about him at this time. This post indicates a slight town read on casualman. Yet he is now ready to lynch him. It also voices slight suspicion of Hyaach, yet he never follows up on it. Hyaach has done very little since layabout made this post, yet layabout never says anything about it. + Show Spoiler [casualman is retarded] + On July 01 2012 06:28 layabout wrote: He can't have done that. That would be retarded. I'll say it again: we don't lynch retards, we lynch scum. You want retards dead? Do them the favour of shooting them in the face rather than wasting lynches on it. Then comes his vote on casualman and accusing me of throwing my vote away. In short: 1. wants to lynch retards he has a slight scumread on 2. doesn't follow up pressure. 3. accuses people of throwing away their votes, then does the same. In closing: yes, layabout, I'm starting to think you're scum. Thank you for making me take another look at your filter! Do you still think BKE is scum? What is your opinion on drwiggles and the general goings on tonight? | ||
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marvellosity
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ShiaoPi
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On July 03 2012 00:54 layabout wrote: ##shoot layabout dafuq?! | ||
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