• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:03
CEST 15:03
KST 22:03
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202568RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16
Community News
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced5BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8
StarCraft 2
General
Server Blocker #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time THE BEST CRYPTOCURRENCY RECOVERY EXPERTS/GOTO WIZA Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings
Tourneys
Esports World Cup 2025 FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava
Brood War
General
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced Simple editing of Brood War save files? (.mlx) BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Ginuda's JaeDong Interview Series [Update] ShieldBattery: 2025 Redesign
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China CSL Xiamen International Invitational [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Nintendo Switch Thread [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Post Pic of your Favorite Food!
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 791 users

OSL Starleague WILL be continued (around May) - Page 4

Forum Index > BW General
286 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 13 14 15 Next All
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 10:15:43
March 02 2012 10:08 GMT
#61
On March 02 2012 18:40 Ribbon wrote:
Well, at least we're getting an OSL. OSL > Proleague for me.

Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 17:17 Kanil wrote:
On March 02 2012 17:10 mrRoflpwn wrote:
i thought BW was really big in korea which is why sc2 hasn't really been super popular their, guess even the famed BW is having troubles- hope for all the fans that it stays alive.

MBCgame shutting down suggests esports in general is not doing well in Korea.


It's not doing well anywhere. Absolutely no one is making any money in any "e-sport", including LoL and both Starcrafts. The LoL scene is just an ad for the game. There are about 50 more SC2 tournaments than its scene can support, so there's a big crash coming for that (With GSL and MLG being the winners, IMO).

None of Brood War's problems are unique to BW, excepting maybe a culture of gloom that's probably not all that helpful, and a history of BIG EXPENSIVE AWESOME STARLEAGUES that are hard to justify now.



Except China i guess. When this is your team house, you imagine e-sports has to be doing well there.

[image loading]

[image loading]

[image loading]


Also when e-sports ( dota/wc3) teams got bought for 6 million usd, players command a transfer fee and the demands for Esports in your country is so high that you will host 2 WCG in a row. I heard LoL is gaining massive popularity in China as well. I'd say the only way BW will be saved is if China helps save it ( such a pity regarding the typhoon i guess as it would have helped tremendously, instead it left a bitter taste)
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 10:12:09
March 02 2012 10:10 GMT
#62
2012 might not be the end of the world but it will be the end of starcraft broodwar.

Edit: Fuck, can't believe I just typed that
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
March 02 2012 10:13 GMT
#63
On March 02 2012 19:10 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
2012 might not be the end of the world but it will be the end of starcraft broodwar.

Edit: Fuck, can't believe I just typed that

Well that's the same, really.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
March 02 2012 10:14 GMT
#64
On March 02 2012 18:47 supernovamaniac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 17:59 Aunvilgod wrote:
On March 02 2012 17:51 Golgotha wrote:
razer is sponsoring every team in sc2, they should help bw imo. deck everything out razer and create brand loyalty. are bw fans not brand loyal or something? if i was a sponsor i would be all over bw so I could tap the legions of fans who love the players and the scene.


BW won´t grow outside of korea, no way that happens with these graphics. And neither does it seem to grow inside korea. It just is not that smart to sponsor BW.

Mind you, BW is still the biggest RTS in Korea at the moment, and will be for next few months if not years at this rate.


Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 16:57 onedayclose wrote:
Tell me about it man. Sounds to me like Korean companies hate ESPORTS and want it to die.


No shit. They don't want to sponsor a league that has been already tainted with match fixing scandal (though now it has spread to every single major sport in Korea, and if I remember correctly K-League isn't doing well either since the match fixing scandal). KeSPA did the right thing by removing everyone who was involved in it (at least according to police investigation) and become 'clean'. But the scene's already been tainted from corporate's views.

In the beginning: Video Game tournament? What is this, kids just wasting time on games all day long!
Then: Oh wow, this is pretty exciting.
After match fixing scandal: Psh, I expected too much from these kids... yup, I guess kids become spoiled when they play video games for a long time.

How did you come up with this conclusion? If sponsors would feel like that from the beginning they wouldnt invest millions into the industry. Did MBC was killed by Match Fixing also? For me its just to convenient to blame everything on this. To farfetched conclusions.
Stork[gm]
Tomken
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway1144 Posts
March 02 2012 10:14 GMT
#65
So weird that OSL get sponsoring troubles after last year final... T_t..
MBCGame HERO FIGHTING!!!~
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
March 02 2012 10:20 GMT
#66
On March 02 2012 19:14 Tomken wrote:
So weird that OSL get sponsoring troubles after last year final... T_t..

The irony, viewer number says its succesfull next message: "We cant find sponsors". Maybe succesfull viewership was never enough for BW, maybe it required groundbreaking viewership like it had in its peak. Imho its the fact that esports pool is getting "polluted" with overlapping titles couses this, some sponsors want to go international, international mean either SC2 (which fails in Korea) or LoL, LoL wins, some sponsors are Korea only and those are known for long time supporters of BW. But apparently something is not working, maybe it was never working like a charm but a small decrease was enough to tip the scale.
Stork[gm]
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
March 02 2012 10:21 GMT
#67
well so much for the "everyone is switching in April!" rumors. I'm really looking forward to the OSL
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
March 02 2012 10:23 GMT
#68
On March 02 2012 19:21 Ikonn wrote:
well so much for the "everyone is switching in April!" rumors. I'm really looking forward to the OSL

No one said everyone will switch April, only FxoBoss was rumoring about some "notable" figures coming up in April, imho few A-teamers will switch for now, but the big heads will continue to play BW.
Stork[gm]
GhostOwl
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
766 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 10:33:19
March 02 2012 10:32 GMT
#69
@dtz

nice pics

what game is that e-sports team playing for?

edit: oops missed those dota letters in the corner
Tomken
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway1144 Posts
March 02 2012 10:36 GMT
#70
On March 02 2012 19:23 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 19:21 Ikonn wrote:
well so much for the "everyone is switching in April!" rumors. I'm really looking forward to the OSL

No one said everyone will switch April, only FxoBoss was rumoring about some "notable" figures coming up in April, imho few A-teamers will switch for now, but the big heads will continue to play BW.

Imo I think he just gambled with that statement, because PL ends in April and it's no secure that's gonna be a season 2 or not. From what I know, the players is contracted until August...
MBCGame HERO FIGHTING!!!~
NukeTheStars
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States277 Posts
March 02 2012 10:36 GMT
#71
On March 02 2012 19:14 Tomken wrote:
So weird that OSL get sponsoring troubles after last year final... T_t..


There are a couple of factors to this. I don't personally think the popularity of BW has much to do with this whole sponsorship ordeal. I think it's mainly due to A: The floundering economy and B: The anti-game movement in Korea.

In a junk economy, companies have to watch their purse strings and eliminate money sinks (like a sponsorship). Korea has also become much more aware of the adverse effects of excess gaming on its kids. They view gaming addiction as a big national problem now. The country passed legislation a couple years ago to limit gaming hours at night. Companies don't want to be known as supporters of a medium that negatively impacts a child, so they probably view Brood War sponsorship as detrimental. Kind of a perfect storm here.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
March 02 2012 10:39 GMT
#72
T-T..... poor OSL.... No matter what, I will always love you BW
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
leperphilliac
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States399 Posts
March 02 2012 10:39 GMT
#73
I mean it's great and all that there's going to be at least another OSL but... it's kinda sad we're celebrating over news that would have been devastating like a year ago. Damn is BW dying fast =(
ThE)ShoWTimE
Profile Joined August 2011
Italy213 Posts
March 02 2012 10:41 GMT
#74
can't wait but these news do not exactly encourage me thinking that BW is in top shape :/
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
March 02 2012 10:46 GMT
#75
w00t thanks phosphorylation :3

Bisu will start his recovery of form now, peaking during next OSL -> dominate Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy in consecutive BoX and win it all ^_^

That or.. He will nicely beat Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy in consecutive BoX and win it all.
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 11:15:04
March 02 2012 11:01 GMT
#76
On March 02 2012 19:14 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 18:47 supernovamaniac wrote:
On March 02 2012 17:59 Aunvilgod wrote:
On March 02 2012 17:51 Golgotha wrote:
razer is sponsoring every team in sc2, they should help bw imo. deck everything out razer and create brand loyalty. are bw fans not brand loyal or something? if i was a sponsor i would be all over bw so I could tap the legions of fans who love the players and the scene.


BW won´t grow outside of korea, no way that happens with these graphics. And neither does it seem to grow inside korea. It just is not that smart to sponsor BW.

Mind you, BW is still the biggest RTS in Korea at the moment, and will be for next few months if not years at this rate.


On March 02 2012 16:57 onedayclose wrote:
Tell me about it man. Sounds to me like Korean companies hate ESPORTS and want it to die.


No shit. They don't want to sponsor a league that has been already tainted with match fixing scandal (though now it has spread to every single major sport in Korea, and if I remember correctly K-League isn't doing well either since the match fixing scandal). KeSPA did the right thing by removing everyone who was involved in it (at least according to police investigation) and become 'clean'. But the scene's already been tainted from corporate's views.

In the beginning: Video Game tournament? What is this, kids just wasting time on games all day long!
Then: Oh wow, this is pretty exciting.
After match fixing scandal: Psh, I expected too much from these kids... yup, I guess kids become spoiled when they play video games for a long time.


How did you come up with this conclusion? If sponsors would feel like that from the beginning they wouldnt invest millions into the industry. Did MBC was killed by Match Fixing also? For me its just to convenient to blame everything on this. To farfetched conclusions.


Because BW had a huge underground scene before it began, and those "major corporations" didn't come into the BW scene until years later (remember how GO was about to disband and then CJ came into pick up the team up around 2007? Remember how we didn't have huge corporate sponsors in first few OSLs?) when the scene developed further. They found it profitable, and the scene did not cause any bad image on society until the matchfixing incident. Keep in mind that in the beginning, they just took a popular game and managed to run the whole thing on an old ping pong table that they found in the tooniverse studio.

To those who don't know what actually happened during the final days of MBCGame, here you go. Maybe then you'll see why I'm blaming this incident.

[image loading]
"MBCGame isn't disappearing due to financial issues"
"Then why is it disappearing?"
"To be honest, we don't know the exact reason"
"Simply, MBC had a "pride" in running a game channel."
"There have been 'many' 'incidents' that have hurt/downsized this pride"
"Then again, did KeSPA and MBCGame work out on this problem to have a win-win situation?"
"Of course not"
"We deeply apologize for this situation"
"Thank you for loving our show"
"And we will always love you back"
(T/N sleepy, probably someone can come up with better translation)

I ensure you, it sounds like a convenient excuse, but I have my basis.
ppp
white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
March 02 2012 11:07 GMT
#77
People here are too impatient. Keep in mind that there is an ongoing global recession. Korean companies have obviously been hit too, and while the south korean economy is getting better, I don't think there is anybody willing to hand out sponsorships in a snap like everyone here wishes. And as some have already mentioned, the match-fixing scandal greatly damaged korean BW and there is public outcry over gaming addictions as well.

The problems over finding sponsorship, questions about the viability of the scene, and the community struggling to keep teams together is really a broad phenomenon about esports in general. Brood war is old. The turnover rate and technological advancement is so fast in the gaming industry that the whole idea of a certain game self-sustaining itself as a long-term "esport" is big question mark. The fact that BW has not only survived for more than a decade but continues to generate excitement among many demographics really just shows how special and how impressive the community has built itself.

I'm sure SC2 fans are secretly gleeful at the prospect of the BW scene falling apart and A-teamers going into SC2 and I'm sure LoL fans are thinking that the currently huge excitement of LoL will mean that it will be the next BW but the fact is that if BW fails, all those games have a high chance of failing too. SC2 and LoL are nowhere near as exciting as BW is as a spectator sport. If a giant like BW falls, that's just proof that esports is not sustainable in the long-term. How can that be good news for any esports scene? We need to do everything possible to maintain professional BW.
Translator
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6579 Posts
March 02 2012 11:16 GMT
#78
On March 02 2012 20:07 white_horse wrote:
People here are too impatient. Keep in mind that there is an ongoing global recession. Korean companies have obviously been hit too, and while the south korean economy is getting better, I don't think there is anybody willing to hand out sponsorships in a snap like everyone here wishes. And as some have already mentioned, the match-fixing scandal greatly damaged korean BW and there is public outcry over gaming addictions as well.

The problems over finding sponsorship, questions about the viability of the scene, and the community struggling to keep teams together is really a broad phenomenon about esports in general. Brood war is old. The turnover rate and technological advancement is so fast in the gaming industry that the whole idea of a certain game self-sustaining itself as a long-term "esport" is big question mark. The fact that BW has not only survived for more than a decade but continues to generate excitement among many demographics really just shows how special and how impressive the community has built itself.

I'm sure SC2 fans are secretly gleeful at the prospect of the BW scene falling apart and A-teamers going into SC2 and I'm sure LoL fans are thinking that the currently huge excitement of LoL will mean that it will be the next BW but the fact is that if BW fails, all those games have a high chance of failing too. SC2 and LoL are nowhere near as exciting as BW is as a spectator sport. If a giant like BW falls, that's just proof that esports is not sustainable in the long-term. How can that be good news for any esports scene? We need to do everything possible to maintain professional BW.

Amen
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
March 02 2012 11:16 GMT
#79
One OSL a year and a downsized proleague isn't going to keep the general public interested forever. It's really unfortunate it had to come to this, I simply hope that this (last?) OSL can truly deliver.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
March 02 2012 11:25 GMT
#80
On March 02 2012 20:16 setzer wrote:
One OSL a year and a downsized proleague isn't going to keep the general public interested forever. It's really unfortunate it had to come to this, I simply hope that this (last?) OSL can truly deliver.


It's really unfortunate when anything that has to do with bw sponsorship or proleague get's featured we get ton's of post having the same doom saying theme repeating again and again.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 13 14 15 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
CranKy Ducklings
10:00
Master Swan Open #94
CranKy Ducklings142
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Hui .210
BRAT_OK 69
ProTech59
MindelVK 31
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 52840
Horang2 4133
Barracks 2777
Shuttle 2402
Leta 2279
Bisu 2041
Jaedong 1118
Flash 1053
BeSt 667
EffOrt 632
[ Show more ]
Larva 347
firebathero 345
Last 194
ToSsGirL 156
Soma 129
Soulkey 120
Hyun 110
Rush 74
ZerO 70
JulyZerg 67
sorry 57
JYJ41
sas.Sziky 35
Free 31
Shinee 26
sSak 23
scan(afreeca) 22
zelot 20
Aegong 19
IntoTheRainbow 7
Terrorterran 4
Dota 2
Gorgc4063
qojqva1978
XcaliburYe476
XaKoH 399
LuMiX1
League of Legends
febbydoto8
Counter-Strike
fl0m1931
sgares215
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor242
Other Games
singsing2222
B2W.Neo1562
Beastyqt1229
crisheroes390
Fuzer 273
ZerO(Twitch)15
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 14
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH283
• Adnapsc2 25
• Dystopia_ 1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2483
Upcoming Events
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
57m
CSO Cup
2h 57m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4h 57m
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
FEL
19h 57m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
1d
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
1d 4h
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Online Event
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational
Esports World Cup 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
BSL Team Wars
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.