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On August 07 2011 12:17 youngminii wrote:
yeah ok just vig me
clearly i'm being counter productive to town and i don't want day 3 to just be "yeah kill ym no discussion"
sorry folks, will try better next time <3
clearly the attitude of a great pro town player particularly youngminii the type of town who will vig/bandwagon anyone who even slightly criticizes him
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Sorry to break it to you youngminii but I don't think we have a Vig.
No quick death, it's the gallows for you!
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Well we take out Munk-E tomorrow, or tonight if we have a vig, and YM the day after and I think we've won. Time will tell if BC or docH were lying about being medic. As it is, I don't think it was the best idea to reveal that, but perhaps it won't end up too badly.
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Why Munk-E before youngminii?
I see Munk-E as less of a sure thing since Lucidity is a good shot as well, whereas youngminii is 99.99999% scum.
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i agree YM is by far the scummiest
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YM first has my vote as well.
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I'm also for Munk-E first, but they should both die so I don't think it matters much?
Could someone please post the case against me in the thread? I keep seeing myself on scum lists and being called scummy, but I'm not entirely sure why. I'd like to clear up any misconceptions so that we can focus on real scum.
I'll address the "cases" so far.
On August 07 2011 08:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I find it very strange that no attention was put onto Lucidity when those bandwagons were split. JeeJee went onto Drazerk when Lucidity would have been the easier target for mafia. Both me and Mig felt very unsettled about that fact, I think a DT (if they exist) would be well fit to check Lucidity. YM is an unnecessary check, he's pretty damned as it is. I think the DT should throw their check on Lucidity or Munk-E at this point. JeeJee was fucked right off the bat and now it's clear the mafia tried to get behind BC on lynching Draz. If I'm DT I check Lucidity tonight. That's my advice.
JeeJee went to Drazerk, while Varpulis went to me. We only have 2 confirmed scum and they did different things. I'm not sure why I would have been the easier target for Mafia? From what I can see the case against me and Drazerk at that point was the same (voting for redFF), but Drazerk went lurker mode at that point, while I was still active. Drazerk would be the scummier one then? Also note Munk-E tagging on to the Varp wagon at the end when there was no way to change the outcome anymore. He didn't even want to vote for Varp as he found me more scummy........
On August 05 2011 07:58 Munk-E wrote:Lucidity analysis! Show nested quote +
So we've already found 2 scum in redFF and DoctorHelvetica who are opposing the plan without any real reasons? Good stuff.
A confirmed townie coordinating blues is brilliant. The only problem I can see is if scum impersonates medics. That could give away blue roles/leave our soldier vulnerable. Solution? Just have all medics protect the soldier for night 1. 1 Night of coordinated abilities is quite powerful and we'll have more info on Day 2.
this first post is very VERY for the plan to the point that he immediately calls scum on people for it. They both later attacked him for this, and Redff even voted to lynch him. I think he is WAY to for the plan here without even considering the consequences. It seems scummy to me to pressure people that disagree with you. Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 08:29 Lucidity wrote:On August 02 2011 08:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
if you read my posts i provided reasons
1. we dont know if there are more than 1 doctor which is kinda important
2. mafia can stack hits to kill the vig
3. vig could shoot doctor ruining everything
4. vig will probably hit town its rare you get a mafia on day 1 much less a successful day 1 vig
here ar emore reasons i havent provided yet
5. mafia can use this to keep town focused on the blue network/suspicious of other peoples claims and put attention on the vig and off of post analysis which is what wins games for town
what do you consider a real reason it would be nice if instead of unconditional instant support for someone elses plan which is mildly suspicious you read my posts and if my reasons aren't good enough at least say why instead of just saying "youre scum" lol
"we've already found 2 scum" its day 1 dont be ridiculous 1. Medics are basically the only problem I see at the moment. I don't think that qualifies as a reason to instantly discard the plan. 2. Having Mafia stack hits reduces their KP, which isn't a bad thing. We'll still have no overlaps on Night 1 from blues. 3. What? 4. That's the case on Day 2 as well. On August 02 2011 07:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 02 2011 07:26 Mig wrote:
No just tell the vigs who to hit, medics who to protect, dts who to check. All he has to do is make sure nobody is overlapping or shooting each other. As long as the day vig doesn't reveal anything else mafia isn't going to gain very much information from it. if this happens which i hope it doesnt i really hope you're not suggesting he openly tells the blues what to do in irc/thread Another terrible attempt to stop the plan. Why would he be suggesting that? Here DH is defending himself from lucidity's aggressiveness quite well, however he just continues to press the issue. He is still calling scum for having a different opinion here. He would give an arm and a leg for this plan it seems at this point. Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 09:01 Lucidity wrote:On August 02 2011 08:46 redFF wrote:
...lol post the irc chat please, that is not a decent reason. Regardless, have any of you guys a scum saying he's a vig and figuring out who the other shots are at? or a scum saying he's a medic and finding out who's protecting who? I've played games where everyone has claimed to a "confirmed townie" and scum have raped and taken advantage of this, so please don't tell me the plan is faultless. If a vig is willing to use his shot as a lynch then it's ok. But I'm really not sure that day 1 is the best time to have a double lynch. Yeah the day when we have the least information and most likely to lynch town is when we should double lynch!
There, that's my opinion if you think it's scummy then vote me. Draz post what was scummy in the irc chat please. How will he figure out who the other vig shots are aimed at? How will a fake medic find out who the other medics are protecting? Who said the plan is faultless? I think I'll take your advice and vote for you! ##vote redFF Here he votes for redFF (But doesn't actually vote for him). I find it strange that he's THIS passionate this early on in the game! I mean seriously WTF? He is given A LOT of reasons why the plan is dumb, but he refuses to hear it! He just keeps accusing! Show nested quote +Haha, I guess I was still in the Asylum mindset with mass blue everywhere - somehow thought that all 7 blue roles listed would be in the game. ~4 blues make sense and we're very unlikely to have 2 medics in that, so a plan to coordinate them this early isn't actually that great.
I think the only time that we should be claiming is if Mafia only have 1 KP left or if a Day Vig hits a Vet, leaving us with 2 confirmed townies. One of them will survive the night and be able to pass on info~
redFF, forever RED? By this point, most people were against the plan. Yeah... I'm not sure how much I buy that defense of "Oops, klutzy me! I thought there'd be more medics!" as an excuse to completely change his mind from "This plan is so good that everyone against it is obviously scum" to. "This plan is stupid!" This is the scummiest post I think he's made. I mean it would be hard to make that transition, and it losing popularity requires you to if your against it so hard and you want to be in the majority. and why would you want to be in the majority so bad? If you're scum. Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 04:49 Lucidity wrote:On August 03 2011 03:23 Varpulis wrote:On August 03 2011 02:43 Mig wrote:
Varp every post you make screams wishy washy to me. Where is the confident Varpulis I have played with in the past? Every opinion you give you list the pros and cons and then you end up taking a pretty neutral stance. I haven't seen you have a strong opinion of anything yet.
If you had to vote for someone right now who would it be for and why? Do you find anyone besides red scummy? I got called out for wishy washiness in PTP (day 1) as well. Day 1 nothing is solid, there's rarely anything to base arguments off of until late in the day, and I'm usually focused on proving my activity, not calling people scum.[/b] I haven't taken a stance because I don't have a really strong feeling about anybody yet. By the way, if we're going ahead with the plan, could we have a soldier/sniper claim? If there are none we need to reevaluate. Lol dude wtf? I'm struggling to find any non-scum motive for wanting such a claim. Could you provide me with one? And you're focused on maintaining your appearance as an active townie instead of hunting scum? Good stuff.
Mig's going crazy at people for not providing great posts on IRC, yet he's not doing what he's hounding others to do? Scum often employ such strategies. What's the dealio, yo? This post astonished me. At first i thought since he voted for varp after it was the bandwagony thing to do. However, if you look at the time, at the time of this post Varp only had 2 votes for him from a while ago. This post sort of STARTS the bandwagon on varp! I don't know if this was intentional or not, but WTF! Up until now I was sure lucidity was scum, but this makes me wonder! Show nested quote +
If it's such a waste of time why are you dedicating any time at all to it anymore? I don't think there has been serious majority support for the plan for long now, so there's no reason for you to talk about it. Every Day 1 has to start in some useless way before there's something to discuss. Why not use the posts that have been generated by this plan to start some discussion which you think might be useful?
Here he is completely against the plan now. He was so for it at first and now is completely against it. He even states that no one is for it anymore. His backing of the plan is directly proportional to it's overall popularity. He just wants to blend in, like a chameleon that works for the mafia. In the end, I just don't know! He's VERY scummy with his bandwagon hopping when it comes to the plan, and sure he only voted varp after the bandwagon was rolling, but he was in second and might have done that to avoid being lynched, not to seem inconspicuous.if varp had flipped town, i would think he'd definitely be mafia, but he started a bandwagon on varp, it may be accidental for all i know and he was just trying to distance himself, but it seems strange that he would do this. P.S. sorry about not talking at night i didn't know it was a rule.
I think the main issue with this analysis is that of misconceptions.
[b]1) I'm scummy for attacking anyone who opposed the plan
This isn't really true. Go look at my posts. I pointed out BAD reasons for opposing the plan. At that point in the game I thought the plan was good, so I thought anyone against it for bad reasons was suspicious. drH had some epically bad reasons mixed in with valid ones. redFF only had bad ones and later parroted other people's valid concerns. From my perspective I thought scum was trying to stop a good plan.
2) I only changed my view only because popular opinion changed
I'm not sure the plan was scrapped at that point, but even if it was, I didn't change opinion randomly for no reason. If you look at the post just above mine, it points out there that more than 4 Blue roles is unlikely. Up until that point I had it in my head that all the roles mentioned were in the game, possibly multiple medics too. Looking back that seems a little silly in a game of 20 players, but yeah. At that point the benefits of the plan basically reduced to organizing 2/3 blue actions at night and with no way to report on it the following day. That wasn't worth it.
The last quote you site where I am against the plan and "a chameleon" is just a complete misrepresentation. If you read it properly again you'll notice that I am addressing certain players. drH/YM etc were whining non-stop on IRC and in the thread about this plan being useless etc etc, but they weren't discussing things they thought were worthwhile. So I called them out on it. Essentially they were wasting time and acting in a way scum would be - wasting time when they know they are and there is no reason to. The post had nothing to do with my views on the plan as you suggested.
I hope that clears things up.
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On August 07 2011 15:58 Curu wrote:
Why Munk-E before youngminii?
I see Munk-E as less of a sure thing since Lucidity is a good shot as well, whereas youngminii is 99.99999% scum.
Munk-E is way scummier than YM at this point. If JeeJee had flipped green then I would have been more suspicious of YM, but it turns out that his 100% conviction that JJ was green was completely incorrect, which means that the likelihood that he is a mistaken townie goes up.
Notice how Munk-E became way more active after I accused him of being scum? We've got ourselves a mafia right there.
I'm leaning town on lucid, and I have been since the beginning of the game. However, docH has something when he picked up on why the bandwagon wasn't redirected there. That's the only part about it that doesn't make sense.
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The whole point is that jeejee was gf tho
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YM ws sure that JeeJee would show BLU on a DT check... Which he would if he was GF ... Which he was ;p So that's still quite suspicious.
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On August 07 2011 12:17 youngminii wrote:
yeah ok just vig me
clearly i'm being counter productive to town and i don't want day 3 to just be "yeah kill ym no discussion"
sorry folks, will try better next time <3
So its basically HERP DERP IM GONNA COPY THE SCUMBUDDY now huh?
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On August 07 2011 23:28 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 15:58 Curu wrote:
Why Munk-E before youngminii?
I see Munk-E as less of a sure thing since Lucidity is a good shot as well, whereas youngminii is 99.99999% scum. Munk-E is way scummier than YM at this point. If JeeJee had flipped green then I would have been more suspicious of YM, but it turns out that his 100% conviction that JJ was green was completely incorrect, which means that the likelihood that he is a mistaken townie goes up. Notice how Munk-E became way more active after I accused him of being scum? We've got ourselves a mafia right there. I'm leaning town on lucid, and I have been since the beginning of the game. However, docH has something when he picked up on why the bandwagon wasn't redirected there. That's the only part about it that doesn't make sense.
lol, JeeJee returns Townie to DT checks (he was Godfather). It's the worst possible flip for youngminii and pretty much confirmed him as Mafia.
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Poll: Majority Lynch rules?Yes (11) 85% No (2) 15% 13 total votes Your vote: Majority Lynch rules? (Vote): Yes
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I was asked to speed up the lynch, so I think we will go with Majority Lynch rules (majority hits and lynch happens) I want everyone to vote on this.
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On August 08 2011 01:58 OriginalName wrote:
MOD PERMISSION EDIT>
Confirming this.
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In that vein can we also end night when all night actions are submitted?
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that also helps make sure people are active.
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