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You could have used "most correct lynch", "most scummy player", "scummiest". Why did you use "easiest"? It's actually a horrible word to use when town when talking about lynches, and if you were saying he's easily the scummiest player, the sentence did not exactly convey that meaning. | ||
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On January 08 2013 00:27 OmniEulogy wrote: I was barely awake and just noted something in Jampi's filter that also incriminates him, OmniEulogy.. now that your defense has been made. Are you going to enlighten us with the evidence. | ||
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On January 08 2013 01:46 Sylencia wrote: Right, the wording of that statement just now was kinda weird to me, since I understood it completely differently to what you meant. You could have used "most correct lynch", "most scummy player", "scummiest". Why did you use "easiest"? It's actually a horrible word to use when town when talking about lynches, and if you were saying he's easily the scummiest player, the sentence did not exactly convey that meaning. sorry  Yeah I'm actually writing it on another page right now Mocsta  | ||
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But i would word jampidampi as the easier lynch of the 2 mafia as well. I have had very strong suspicions of the 2nd mafia.. but have been trying to keep pressure on only 1 player, to avoid association cases. my problem, and something that needs to be evaluated is zarepath. His hawking/lurking is very over the top.. and though he added justification for swapping votes.. *ANYBODY* can write rational after the event (and with 1 day to pass through the coaches, it can be refined to sound like town) So I am confused with how to handle zarepath... what do you think? | ||
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On January 08 2013 01:59 Spaghetticus wrote: I am going to bed. My preferred candidates are Omni, Zare, and TeMiL, and I will settle for any of them. I'll try and get up in three hours so I can influence the lynch if it is not going the way I intend. I have certain changes to my plan if particular events happen. On January 08 2013 01:00 Spaghetticus wrote: I could be persuaded to vote for: - TeMiL - OmniEulogy - JampiDampi - ZarePath Dont forget you said you could be persuaded for jampidampi | ||
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Since the slip doesn't seem so much like a slip as opposed to horrible wording, I will be switching to jampi as stated in my previous posts. ##Unvote ##Vote jampidampi | ||
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Why Spag is scum: + Show Spoiler + This is broken into several pieces. First is consistent non-contributions: + Show Spoiler + First real post is a list with resources, and a plan to pursue "more standard play" which involves not being as passive. On Day 1, the majority of Spag's posts are lists (people who played last game), theory (lying town, LAL), the fact that he has null reads on people, comments on the weather, and more theory, and more theory, and even more theory. What happened to standard play with case analysis? Instead he goes off on lurkers, talks about TeMiL being a lurker, and then doesn't actually end up voting for him. Read through Spag's filter Day 1 and just look at the number of posts he made that contributed literally zero to forwarding analysis on any single individual. The only real analysis he does is to suspect-but-not-suspect Mocsta and OE, and retaliations to Mocsta for going after his soft townie claim. He condemns the countries thing (easy), too. Now look at everything since then. More theory and numbers and probabilities, talking about talking about coaches (when he's already done it himself), most of his analysis is about TeMiL and the potential possibilities depending upon who he is, which involves zero analysis because he hasn't even posted -- talk about easy prey. Asks if there was a second role block, all of the possible setups, if others have seen blue slips -- so on, et cetera. It's not that these are necessarily bad things, but these are all things that are very, very easy for mafia to do. After saying he was going to do standard play, he hasn't made any compelling cases, just theorycrafted and said "great post" to other people's analysis. His latest post isn't analysis, but the people who could be persuaded to vote for. Mafia love bieng persuaded to vote for people; they don't have to make the case. He casts suspicions without putting himself out there for it -- very carefully crafted non-suspicions that are still suspicions: + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 03:53 Spaghetticus wrote: @OmniEulogy I get a scum read off you... but... I am not going to pursue you if I can help it. Your process is so alien to me I can't really fathom your motives. I would like other people to apply scrutiny while I look elsewhere. I just can't see you as not scum, but this was true in XXXIII and you flipped town. Please people, before you attribute a scumbuddy relationship here... ... ... ... this is too high profile and obvious. My contribution will be substantial elsewhere, I genuinely feel my objectivity is compromised entirely when dealing with Omni. This is town motivated and too bold a risk for too little a reward to be a scum ploy. I have reasonable town motive, I don't want this post to haunt me. On January 03 2013 23:01 Spaghetticus wrote: You have also been leaping on irrelevant details (from my perspective), inflating them beyond their importance. Soft claiming 'not scum' is far too crass a move for my style and you know it. I can see that you are doing everything you can to promote town activity, and I believe this is within what is reasonable to expect from you, so I won't call scum read on this. I would like to point out however, that picking on small and probably* meaningless discrepancies is a great scum tactic for promoting confusion, and so would suggest you lay off the UberHolmsing On January 05 2013 03:12 Spaghetticus wrote: That being said, I approve of your suspicion of Mocsta's final words before bed. I have scrutinised this action and it comes off as RL problems, but I could be biased. Is there any more that you wish to add to concerning Mocsta's scummy behaviour? It does remind me a lot of your scummy tunneling in XXXIII. Mocsta may seem untouchable now but anything you can force from him when he does make a slip such as now could be vital later on. Note that anything someone ELSE could do to find Mocsta scummy would be great -- because Spag just might be biased. On January 05 2013 03:12 Spaghetticus wrote: Just so you know, I have a note in my word pad about your efforts to preserve lurkers. To Corazon -- again, no real analysis, just a cast suspicion. Maybe fairly innocent here, but what is the town motive for this post? On January 05 2013 12:31 Spaghetticus wrote: @Mocsta I actually did not promise to make a case against Omni, I distinctly stated that while I feel he is scummy, I do not want to be the one making the case, as I have massive bias. I have been directing attention to him as nobody seems to be picking up on his loose play. In the absence of a case, I will likely make one, but I am busy and have other people I would like to pursue. If Corazon feels up to the task, this would be optimal from my perspective. Note that he explicitly asks Corazon to take up the case, a now-confirmed townie. If he can get Corazon to push the OE town flip and take the blame, two birds, right? Especially upon being called out for the soft town claim on the QT thing, he was very defensive, which only seems odd in comparison to the lack of rigor in his analysis in the rest of the thread. What is consistent is his emotions, which is much easier for mafia to do than actual analysis: + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 11:52 Spaghetticus wrote: In regard to your 'soft buddy claim' on me, this is shocking. I honestly feel helpless in regard to this. I'm sorry to wash my hands of you in such a way On January 03 2013 23:01 Spaghetticus wrote: You have also been leaping on irrelevant details (from my perspective), inflating them beyond their importance. Soft claiming 'not scum' is far too crass a move for my style and you know it. I can see that you are doing everything you can to promote town activity, and I believe this is within what is reasonable to expect from you, so I won't call scum read on this. I would like to point out however, that picking on small and probably* meaningless discrepancies is a great scum tactic for promoting confusion, and so would suggest you lay off the UberHolmsing His first defense to the soft town slip; very defensive, and tries to undermine the town's most contributing member in the process, and make it about his own reads instead of everyone else's reads on him. Note that between this and his comments on OE, he makes a big deal about his own non-reads -- the people he suspects but doesn't currently think are mafia. On January 04 2013 00:45 Spaghetticus wrote: With respect, you are not listening. I just don't like that tone -- I don't think it benefits town. Not a lot by itself. On January 08 2013 00:35 Spaghetticus wrote: I've never use the phrase before. I was trying it out. Faaaark. A better response would probably be "Just a slip of words." Really? NEVER used the phrase "closing out a game?" On January 06 2013 09:28 Spaghetticus wrote: @Mocsta Omni's post you quoted was ridiculous, and made me epic mad. The fact that you decided to support it makes me both confused and furious. ...WTF? On January 07 2013 21:06 Spaghetticus wrote: Is this sarcasm? You are allowing the imagination to go almost anywhere with your provocative comments. I know what an NK is, or do you think Omni's insight superior? Treating an NK as anything but what I called it Would be absolutely fracking retarded. It does not take a scum to know that this is how an NK works, it doesn't even take a particularly well informed town. How do YOU think we should think about NK's? Am I wrong? Do you think it beyond my intelligence to infer this much with both my penchant for theory crafting and the abundance of guides laying around? You don't even know whether I use coaches or not and you assume that I don't know what an NK is? This is like the umpteenth time you have either uncharitably appraised my motive or been incongruous in your understanding of my thoughts. This is the first time it's sounded like you might want to make a case. Your thoughts on me are required anyway, as either you me or Syl die tonight. On January 07 2013 22:48 Spaghetticus wrote: F5ed to find yet another arrogant response. Wanna know why I think you are overconfident? BECAUSE ITS NOT A QUOTE FROM ME. LOOK AT THE FRICKING AUTHOR. You are playing fast and lose, and you're making some big mistakes. I know that if I talked to a coach, he'd tell me I need to play less conservative with my reads, but you are batshitcrazyliberal with yours and I think this sort of play will end with a loss for town. All of the above just seem way too over the top to produce any kind of positive town discussion. He has also consistently asked for information or operated mistakenly based on what he assumed was information in the OP, which again a townie might do if they're ignorant,, but he makes a big case out of not being ignorant. These strike me more as efforts to discuss fringe details that wouldn't be worth teh discussion if he actually wanted to know the answer and just read the OP: + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 09:48 Spaghetticus wrote: Wait what? am I reading the OP correctly? is a tie a no-lynch? I swear I second checked it to make sure it was plurality? On January 06 2013 09:04 Spaghetticus wrote: Shit I thought we had more time. On January 05 2013 00:28 Spaghetticus wrote: Ew. I didn't realise how little time we had. I don't like Mocsta's absence, as it both deprives us of a valued player and Really? They tell you every single mod post how close we are to the next deadline, and I think it was you who asked for everybody's time zones, and it was you who called for everyone's testimonies before the end of the night. How could you possibly miss that deadline? On January 03 2013 13:25 Spaghetticus wrote: @Corazon or Zare Do scum get access to their private thread immediately or do they have a period of non-communication. I have seen a scum chat before but this detail eludes me. Are scum able to communicate right now? The first soft town claim. Still very suspect even though discussion about it has been dropped. On January 04 2013 19:59 Spaghetticus wrote: Is the following question allowed? Do not respond until I have an answer from mod. Jampi. You claim to have talked to a coach that was not quick to respond. Tell me when you posted and when the response came. For someone so concerned with all of this readily available information, he doesn't go to much effort to actually find out -- he just wants the credit of contribution without contributing. He's also said a lot of things that simply aren't good logic. I can see this in a townie for sure, but here it just means that his only contributions are simply bad contributions. + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 10:31 Spaghetticus wrote: Basically, unless we have very bold scum, I believe there was at most one scum voting for StiX. Wow, that carries a lot of assumptions that a genuine townie probably wouldn't want to make. If only it were that easy. On January 06 2013 20:25 Spaghetticus wrote: I remember reading in some guide that reductive lists and town reads are counterproductive on Day 1 -- by far it's better to make proactive analysis cases, which Spag hasn't produced at all. All of his "reads" have been reactionary and off the hip. This is more of that assumption-led logic that he had above.I think everyone should make a reductive list of who they won't be pursuing day two. I won't be pursuing:- On January 05 2013 13:00 Spaghetticus wrote: The honeypot is a ploy where a town seduces a scum into revealing himself by making an obvious minor blunder. If someone tries to come in and inflate the minor mistake into a major one when this is outside your read on them, then you have likely found reason to suspect them. A mafia wants to put emphasis on irrelevant or clumsily executed arguments, rather than ones that actually contribute to catching them. If this style sounds familiar, that is because I claimed this exact ploy earlier when explaining my 'slip'. My honeypot was more improvisation than anything, as I actually wanted to know about the mafia QT, but it was a honeypot none the less. Why did no analysis come out of this honeypot, and he was extremely defensive for it at the time? Sounds like a band-aid for an earlier mistake while also spending tons of thread space on THEORY. On Day 2. On January 07 2013 20:07 Spaghetticus wrote: @Mocsta. I change who I pressure a lot, I do not change my vote a lot. So far I have voted TeMiL, and switched to StriX in day one, and voted for TeMiL in day two, though this could change as well if he'd show up and defend himself. Ummm, he switched OFF of TeMiL day 1, condemned Corazon for wanting to lynch TeMiL on day 2, and then talked about how it would be best for us to leave him be. Now Day 2 he wants to lynch TeMiL again. There is no rhyme or reason, but tons and tons of theory talk. Here are all of Spag's soft town claims that, together, just seem too convenient: On January 06 2013 09:17 Spaghetticus wrote: My will loses a lot of credibility due to me not posting it before the deadline. This is damn unfortunate. No duh! If you were town you would make darn sure it was posted before the deadline. If you were mafia there's not as much pressure. On January 03 2013 13:25 Spaghetticus wrote: @Corazon or Zare Do scum get access to their private thread immediately or do they have a period of non-communication. I have seen a scum chat before but this detail eludes me. Are scum able to communicate right now? Covered earlier. If this detail eludes him, he would either read the OP -- and if he were really after the answer, he'd put the question in green for the mod (which he does later to a different soft-claim question, but not this one). On January 04 2013 00:20 Spaghetticus wrote: I have never been scum, and I’ve always assumed they had immediate and direct communication . In between this game, and last, however, I came across some information that implied that scum were alone to begin with, and got the QT come night. He never answered my question as to what that info was, or where. He's explaiend multiple different reasons for his soft-claim at this point -- this weird honeypot idea which he didn't take advantage of at all if he used it, he was simply lazy in the moment, he came across a mysterious piece of info that led him to believe otherwise, and yet he still wasn't sure enough to know but not curious enough to find out but still curious enough to ask the thread but not curious enough to ask the mods directly. On January 06 2013 09:11 Spaghetticus wrote: GG well played Corazon. Thank Christ you managed to post a will on time, as I thought I still had 10-15 minutes, and Mocsta was a no show. This is a little bit like praising the medic. Oh, phew! So glad you got that out! On January 04 2013 19:59 Spaghetticus wrote: Is the following question allowed? Do not respond until I have an answer from mod. Jampi. You claim to have talked to a coach that was not quick to respond. Tell me when you posted and when the response came. Implicit here is the idea that he also has communicated with a townie coach, and can verify whether or not Jampi had access to one or not or is lying. Also here is him conveniently not reading the OP (whereas elsewhere he is incredibly defensive about the idea that he wouldn't read the OP or Mafia guides) so he can take credit for a move forward in analysis that doesn't actually exist, or is even legal. A for effort and all that. On January 07 2013 21:06 Spaghetticus wrote: Your thoughts on me are required anyway, as either you me or Syl die tonight. Of course he'll die, because he's contributed so much and is a townie and the mafia would love to take him out! what luck that he survived! /s[/spoiler] The final piece here is an analysis of his voting: + Show Spoiler + He made such a big deal about LAL all day, but flung his vote to StriX when Mocstra and myself suddenly went for OE, essentially assuring that StriX would be lynched when it was possible that there'd be a bandwagon lynch of OE. Day 2, who is he talking about again? TeMiL. It seems to me that the only person he wants to talk about is the person who's contributed the least, but the person he actually votes for will be done without clear, building analysis. Now I discounted Spag because I thought he responded well to that first slip, but now that I look back on it, I was mostly impressed by his rigorous defense (read: length of defense) and his general thread presence. But after looking at his actual thread presence, I'm convinced that it is not helping town at all, and persuaded that all of the factors that I've outlined above lead to a clear read of Spag as mafia. I will be busy for most of the rest of the day but will try to check in on this thread as much as possible, but from here on out I am pushing Spag hard. ##Vote: Spaghetticus | ||
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I share the same sentiments... if you read my Night1 last will...http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389091¤tpage=28#552) most of my requests were for people to follow up on Spaghetticus. I thank you for doing this; it covers a lot of the points I had in my head. HOWEVER, It is critical town bands together their vote. With a majority of 4 votes, jampidampi will be guaranteed lynch. We need you to join our vote. (Aside) If JK is around, they can block Spag; and game is over. (Or in the words of ?scum? Closed out) | ||
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For me.. Spag has always been #1 but i was worried about securing the votes to push. Now that zarepath has voted Spag. Are we certain of zarepath vs jampi? I guess in favour of zarepath. Spag has been OK to vote him & has tried to save jampi I guess in favour of jampi zarepath did provide his vote swaps more than 24hrs later. | ||
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I'll start off with his very first post and my thoughts behind it + Show Spoiler + jampidampi Finland. January 03 2013 22:46. Posts 42 PM Profile Report Quote # filter + Show Spoiler + I don't think we can call anyone a lurker yet. It has been only 12 hours since the game started, and no analysis/cases have been posted. Once we get a case rolling, be it a scum or town read, we can get discussion and opinions. The only action so far is Mocstas vote for cDgcorazon based on metaread from the one game he played earlier. I'm reading through Newbie Mini Mafia XXXIII to get an idea the meta of others. Expect some analysis in while. As to why you shouldn't lynch the current me: I prefer only to post if it has a meaning. Answearing questing and asking them. Sharing my reads on someone. Unnecessary spam just clutters the thread and hides important post. StriX is certainly a person worth questioning. Using your own newbines as an argument is usually associated with being scum, not to mention he hasn't posted much. He has no contributions to speak of. So StriX: - Who are analysing/suspecting? - Do you have any prior mafia experience outside TL? @All Keep the spam like weather updates out of this thread. It only helps the mafia. He has certaintly stayed true to his posting policy, the problem being that almost nothing he has posted has had any strong content or have much of a meaning. He soft claims newbie in his first post saying "this is my first time playing forum mafia..." and then in his next post hits StriX with suspicion for doing the exact same thing. This early in the game I would also mention that creating a friendly town atmosphere with a few mindless comments about the weather is only threatening to scum. They don't want a love-fest among the townies and at best the weather comment was neutral and wasn't going anywhere. It seems odd to be so opposed to it so early in the game. He follows with + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 16:26 jampidampi wrote: The OP provided the role PMs for each role. In the scum role PMs there is a direct link to the scum QT. Anyone rational would at least check out the link and post there once to get commucating between his scumpartner going. After all, mafias greatests strength is their information and the possibility of communication. It was a post of me sharing my weak town reads. I asked the coaches if I should share weak reads, but since they were slow to answear and I was impatient, I went ahead and posted it (they said I shouldn't share weak town reads). It may help others when considering who to scumhunt. I do agree that the post lacks some quality. I will write my suspicions of/questions to StriX in a separate post to make it more clear. Zarepath may just have a little bit of tunnel vision. It's good that he's bringing those points up, but I'm statisfied with the answears Sylencia gave. I have bolded what I would like to be read but feel free to go over all of it in case I've misinterpreted it. After he says he released a bunch of weak town reads and that he was told he shouldn't do that he posts this + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 17:19 jampidampi wrote: After examing StriX filter, he feels scummy. + Show Spoiler + In his first post he is only agreeing with others and repeating what others already said about the summary plan. Second post is just policy talk without actually bringing anthing new to the table. A short post just answearing a question. On January 03 2013 22:47 StriX wrote: A bare minimun response to the question.1. Doesn't seem logical to do that so no. As you can deal with a lying or lurking town with less punishment than .5?-1 death/night. 2. No ideas yet honestly - still getting the hang of who is who. Seems like coming up with a excuse not to contribute.3. Zarepath at the moment - mainly due to his policy on no lynch. Town environment can be improved and giving a lynch which could potentially be a free scum kill away seems too steep a price to pay. Accusing someone based on a nolynch policy is an easy thing to do. Next three posts are him answearing my questions about the game he played earlier. After that he takes back his suspicions of zarepath stating that Rationalizing no-lynch is nothing by itself. even though most would agree it's a scummy moveOn January 04 2013 14:24 StriX wrote: Again, bare minimum response.+ Show Spoiler + (1) Have your ideas expanded on "who is who"? Please share (2) You said zarepath is your lead suspect. With the information zarepath has presented since Session 2. What are your revised thoughts? If still a target, I suggest you demonstrate your conviction with a vote; otherwise, begin to identify alternative candidates. 1. I'm starting to yes. 2. Feel like we're going a bit easy on TeMiL and I'd like to vote to lynch him right now. I delayed my vote due to suspecting lurking was due to timezone issues, however, I feel like we've given him long enough to contribute. He is also the only one to not respond to Mocsta's first set of questions. Targetting the easiest player to target: a lyrker with no contrinutions.As an idea Mocsta could you may ##Vote TeMil After that he claims to have contributed with an argument that he later took back. Then he posts his reads/views on everyone without actually giving any reasonings. On January 04 2013 15:27 StriX wrote: Defends letting go of zarepaths pressure with a different playstyle.Seems to defeat the purpose - Much easier to wait for a mistake then tell someone your watching them and expect one. Not to mention you could create one self fulfilling prophecy style. I guess we have different definitions of top scum reads as I really don't feel supporting no lynch is one. Perhaps in a high level (it'd probably be a meta play there actually) game but not in newbie mafia. I guess it's easier to spot things when people point them out to you. Honestly forgot you're the one who gave me the names and neglected to check out the others in more detail. Will now be aware of the leading nature of your questions towards myself. Acknowledges that so far all his actions have been because Mocsta requested him to act.In his last post he defends his vote on TeMiL with some previous game he played. Overall, he has no contributions to speak of and some of his plays are scummy. ##Vote StriX His case on StriX. Which I believe he admits to being weak later. "My case on StriX may be "weak" but nothing to me suggest that a better case can made for now." He then has his brief dispute with Cora, I tried to think of this from both perspectives and from a scum point of view I believe Cora who has been making great observations all game, and is giving a potential scum player a very hard time while making logical arguments and defending other townies from cases using the same deduction would seem extremely dangerous. I know people have complained that this is me reading too far into things but it is still a factor and should be taken into consideration. the obs QT in NMM XXXIII briefly mentioned my NK when I was pressuring Cora and made a case on FC in the process even though Mocsta was clearly the strongest town. From the scum QT's I've read they always look closest at townies who are the biggest threat and the closest to exposing them for the NK N1. Then we have + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 19:12 jampidampi wrote: I will try to gather here the big events of D1 leading to the misslynch of StriX.
@Spaghetticus You seems to have acted in a way that would allow to you to jump on any bandwagon on a lurker without atracting too much atention. I will go through your filter later today, but so far you seems very suspicious. And this seems scummy. Not giving information away is suspicious. Could you straight up tell me why you voted on StriX? @Mocsta You seem very sure that StriX would flip town. Would you mind giving your reasonings to this? Did you have a townread on him and what in his play made him look like town to you? @zarepath Yet we never saw that. Care to explain? which was prompted by Mocsta I believe. This entire post has essentially no meaning. It's one large summary and the questions at the end are mediocre at best and easy to come up with. There is no new information in the entire post. This is when I began to seriously look at Jampi as possible scum. He has still up to this point failed to contribute largely to any scum hunt, and the case he admits was weak was made on a confirmed town at this point. If he knew StriX was town it would explain why he didn't push more for his lynch but instead sat back and did not contribute and let us lynch him, as I've said previously. He even tries to say after StriX lynch that I look the most suspicious for making my case on him and pushing for his lynch when he voted for the same target first. On January 05 2013 19:27 jampidampi wrote: @Mocsta Do you still think Omni is scum? If you do, please pressure him more. This blew my mind. He has done nothing up to this point. Has said I was suspicious, and AGAIN tries to force Mocsta of all people to continue to make cases on me. Did he even read Mocsta's case on me? (Mocsta's case was made before this) It's almost like he doesn't have an opinion on it, or he doesn't care. He said he like to share his opinions on people. Holy shit here's a prime opportunity to say anything he wants about me and he tries to push it onto Mocsta? Scum behavior. Massive scum read on him from this post. This has made him my #1 scum read at this point. Then we get into the JK/RB debate and the only thing he is really talking about is which set-up we might have. He never goes into detail and only corrects Syl on which roles are in which scenario. He continues to push Mocsta for his opinion on me and whether or not he thinks I am still scum. At this point I'd really hope Jampi would have his own opinion on me. FFS I even told him I would welcome any questions he had on me but he says nothing. He then tries to accuse Mocsta as being scum, I'm not against somebody trying to do this, I think Mocsta could pull it off and we'd be screwed in a newbie game but the way he does it... "I urge everyone to go through Mocstas filter and re-evaluate, if his truly is town. His only big contributions are the cases on Omni and TeMiL, which reek of utter bullshit. Other than that he has just been leading the town to the direction he wants with his questions." - Jampi Why is his case on me Bullshit? I didn't agree with a lot of it and I think most of it was personal opinion with very little facts but I have the advantage of knowing I'm town. YOU(jampi) Do not. YOU(jampi) Have claimed I was suspicious and should be looked at thoroughly and have said absolutely nothing to take that opinion back. He then promises a larger case on Mocsta and here we are. He hasn't posted a single thing after that. He has no motivation to help town and quite honestly hasn't tried to help town at all this game. He has not followed up on what he claimed he was good at in his first post. Some of these arguments are weak and some are my personal view on things but there are many facts in how he has played that make him seem like mafia. This is why I said he is easily my choice for lynch tonight. Sorry Syl I didn't explain myself out thoroughly and that is my fault. I hope this helps you see how I have come to this conclusion. | ||
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I can definitely appreciate the time it goes into making these cases. A few connections are biasd, but overall; its about the flow, and you definitely described in detail the flow of jampi (or should we say.. the lack of anything meaningful) Well done. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
I am sorry but this is mainly association cases., For me Spag is guaranteed scum; zarepath has done a better job than i would have done and highlighting the slips etc. If Spag is scum.. i just cant see Omni being scum. because.. its pointless having 2 active mafia..so for the active role, it was between spag/omni. For Day1 lynch I chose omni.. but now I am firm on Spag. You unvoted Omni, so i suppose you can agree with this logic. If we consider mafia #2.. makes sense to be a lurker. prime candidates are zarepath, jampidampi, TeMiL spag has constantly pushed to protect jampi, and vote TeMiL (day2).. Considering Spag voted TeMiL day 1.. i cant see TeMiL being mafia.. a day1 bus is just too early. So TeMiL is cleared as innocent due to association with Spag. as for zarepath.. it could be a good play to bus spag.. he knows i have been onto him, i have telegraphed my read on Spag for a while in the thread now. zarepath has been absent enough to fly under teh radar, and has white knighted me as well (the whole imitate my vote thing). So I can see zarepath being a very intelligent end game scum gambit. The problem is jampi.. why would spag keep trying to protect jampi.. thus, we get to WIFOM. maybe spag protected him, SO WE WOULD VOTE JAMPI by association... or maybe spag protected jampi to keep the team alive.. What Omni has poitned out with jampi is spot on... the question is.. is the likelihood of zarepath being scum high enough; to vote Spag.. and just deal with jampi/zarepath in Day 3? Or do we just stay with jampi | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
I am going to go to bed. I am waking up @ 6:00am (lynch is @ 08:00) I have put my thoughts above.. the options for vote are... jampi / spag / zarepath I am comfortable maintaining the vote on jampi.. but if we want gaurantees of majority, i suppose we have to join forces with zarepath on Spag. When I come back to teh thread.. it should give me enough time to get up to speed, and join which ever of those 3 is required. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
jampidampi (3): Mocsta, OmniEulogy, Sylencia Temil (1): Spaghetticus Mocsta (1): jampidampi Spaghetticus (1): zarepath Not voting (1): TeMiL jampidampi is set to by lynched! The deadline is in like 6 hours or so. | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6591 Posts
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
I think you are looking too closely for associations before we have the lynch. I am much more certain about Spag than I am about jampi, probably because I just spent three hours in his filter. I've read Syl's and OE's cases on jampi, read his filter, and am going to go look for your case on him, Mocsta, but I still don't feel as confident. If we're wrong about Spag we need to know now (although I don't think we're wrong), or else all of town's assumptions for the rest of the game could be disastrous. If that means Spag today and then a jampi/zare showdown tomorrow, that's fine, but I think you're excluding too many possibilities. I am going with my number one read, and I think you should as well. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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