Newbie Mini Mafia XLIV - Page 36

On July 15 2013 05:13 Rainbows wrote:


I lied this describes Gotard better.

My votes on super but I really dont care who's lynched between the two. #Scummylogic

On July 14 2013 13:31 Chromatically wrote:
I just reread hz's case, and I really don't like it. He calls out a lot of things that aren't actually scummy. Look at the summary:

This is literally a list of objectives as either alignment. Town obviously wants to stay alive. Finding a person to vote for with reasoning is also town.

The difference between the alignments is that town want to find scum, and mafia doesn't actually want to. Super looks like he's honestly trying to find scum.

In particular, I really like these two posts:

Super wasn't under any pressure when he posted these. He's actively reading the thread, looking for scum, and most importantly sharing his thought process with the thread. This is very, very genuine and townie.


Basically:
Super is trying to find scum, even if it doesn't look like it at first glance.
Kirby is NOT trying to find scum, but he's trying to look like he is.

Super introduces himself as a player who understands that people cannot always respond to posts quickly and as a player who thinks that applying pressure on other players is a good thing. His later posts do not exhibit these traits at all.

Before even starting to scum-hunt, Super is concerned with self-preservation. He is not even interested in getting good conversation flowing to produce information. Self-preservation comes first.

One of the first things that Super says comes to his mind is that Cloud has not posted yet. Why is this the next thing that Super thinks of, after self-preservation? He later gives a reason but I cannot understand how he arrived at that train of thought.

Next Super says that he has not yet scum-hunted, but so far I was his biggest scum read. That would be fine if his reads were fluid after he actually did some scum-hunting. As we will see later though, his read on me persists until I really hammer home the point that there is no good town motivation for his read on me.

Also, why is he so worried that posting this early read might push him to being lynched? I think that it is because he already knows that he cannot actually justify his read on me.

Next, Super calls me a lurker but says that the other Europeans should be excused for not posting much. I had already made several posts at this point and am a European myself.

He says that he wants to see more from me, but does not give any indication of what he wants to see. When I later make posts directed towards him he completely ignores then as though they are invisible. If he had a scum read on me and wanted to see more, why does he not reply to my posts?

Next Super says that he still thinks I am scum. His reasons are that I have not posted anything which contributed to finding scum. I may be biased on this point, but I do not see how a town Super could say that I had not been contributing. Note that I stopped playing at around 2 AM my time last night, but Super seems to think that it was scummy of me to stop posting. Why would a town player think that?

Now, Super is still more concerned with self-preservation that with finding scum. He also gently suggests that we should consider a no lynch. If a town player was under pressure at this point they would push a scum-read as hard as they could, but they would not try for a no lynch. Super switches his primary scum read from me to Xzavier, without ever saying why I suddenly became less scummy or Xzavier became more scummy (as Xzavier has not posted in a long time). This is still self-preservation without pushing a scum target with any significant force.

On July 15 2013 05:29 Superfluous wrote:
Well the main strength of vet is getting hit at a point when mafia needs a kill then claiming. Now you should lead town since you claimed but you're saying you are getting replaced.

It'd be a risky claim by maf but there's no definitive role list so we can't be certain that you're telling the truth, even if you probably are and this is just a bad play.

On July 15 2013 05:27 Hurricane Sponge wrote:


He wasn't trying to find scum. He only posted that because I issued a list of my reads and he was the only one in bright red on the list. That was a 'Defend Thyself' reaction post, nothing proactive about it, Chrom.

On July 15 2013 05:13 Xzavier wrote:
honestly, between jkirby and super im kinda stunned. I see them both as scummy as shit. Right now i dont even feel the need to OMGUS super because his vote on my was without a case and the only case he made wasnt even on me.

Im sorry for working a fuckton, im home for the rest of the day and will be active for the most part( ill be active for sure before and up to the deadline, it would be horrid if we didnt get a lynch off) my schuelde last week was this 2:30-11 pretty much every day the second half of the week, add classes in the morning to that and what else do you want me to do?

my schuelde for this week is alot nicer and i can see myself being able to be present more. So ill do that. And people will be happy and like it.

after reading the cases on super and jkirby, im kinda feeling like they are slightly more useful than somebody like cloud-9 who has lurked the entire fucking game.

like i said a while back they were both on my scumdar, right now i want to lynch super, because his play has shown no potential to benefit town.

laddies and gents, i give you:
SUPERRRRR

the only thing i dont understand about him is why vote me when everybody else clearly states that you dont have a tangible reason to do so? and then you make a case on a different person but dont switch your vote? I dont follow your play at all, its confusing. But its scummy because it couldnt possibly be from a town perspective. you havent dont much at all in the ways of actively scumhunt. i get that you werent here yesterday and im the last one to yell at you for lurking, but beyond that you actually havnt added anythign to the conversation, or defended yourself. Have made a point to dodge questions that a town would love to jump at in order to display innocence.

him sticking to his "gut-read" is damning the town. he needs to vote on a bandwagon or we run the possibility of a no-lynch which by far benefits scum the most, we NEED to get a lynch off.

jkirby also throwing his vote away is worrying me, but atleast hes made a case on the person he has voted for.

basically what this boils down to is im voting Super because i havnt seen any actual real scumhunting out of him and iv seem attempts (although unsuccessful/silly) out of Jkirby, This leads me to think that he is actually trying.

##VOTE: Superfluous

On July 15 2013 05:33 Chromatically wrote:

Why would you think that? There's no reason to think that. You weren't even voting him.

Kirby has only issues scumreads when someone has SPECIFICALLY ASKED him for them, so he had no choice. No one was asking Super specifically about his reads. It was proactive.

On July 15 2013 05:35 Superfluous wrote:
He asked if he was a good play. I'm saying its not, and it doesn't help the town. In an experienced player game it could be an early gambit here I don't think it is if only because he's being replaced.

On July 15 2013 05:35 Rainbows wrote:
unvote
vote: jrkirby

cus chrom said so