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No, this is not a joke/trolling thread. We don't need more filler posts asking if it is.

Remember to spoiler season 6 content, and clearly label your spoilers.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
December 12 2011 00:17 GMT
#6981
So. I've bitched more than once in IRC about the quality of fan-made MLP content. I guess I have stupidly high standards. I've talked about how I think all fanfics are bad by default, about how MLP techno songs that everyone likes are usually bad and derivative in my opinion, and about how I didn't see anything special about PMVs that everyone else liked. In fact, when watching some PMVs I would get annoyed because they'd have good ideas and some sort of artistic vision behind them but at the last minute they would lapse into videos of Music Set to Random Ponies, which is what most PMVs are. An example would be this "Fix You" PMV.

So, given that, I want to talk about the only good PMV in existence! Oh my god what a pretentious thing to say. It's still true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV_0n5gp1fE
omg guys it's so good


The author of the video is "mmmandarinorange." I'll just call him/her "mandarin" from now on.

In this post I'm going to explain what makes the video so good. Why am I spending time on this? Mostly for the sake of future PMVers and anyone who wants to take time on a video editing project and not have it be completely shallow and bad.

1.) Design is King

When I talk about someone having an "artistic vision" for a video or other piece of creative work, that is just a more pretentious way of saying that the piece has been well-designed. When making any kind of video, people who know what they're doing go through an extensive creative process. That is, they plan out their videos in great detail before even booting up Sony Vegas Pro or whatever video editing program they're using. Most times this is done via storyboarding, though I don't know how Mandarin did it. Nukethestars is an example of someone who does really great creative stuff in his OSL hype videos, and he makes use of the process I'm talking about.

One thing that y'all should take away from this post is that making good videos is fucking hard! There were a lot of things that mandarin did in this particular video that were clearly the result of a lot of hard work.

Let's examine how the creative process might have helped make the Cosmic Love video good.

Obviously, PMVs wouldn't exist without a song. PMVs are based around the theme of the chosen song and usually sync up with the lyrics in some/many places. So song choice is a pretty important decision when making a PMV.

The song in question here is called "Cosmic love." It's a pretty dark song, which begs for a dark story/theme. However, choosing the right story/theme is critically important, too; you need to draw footage from the show in order to make your video and if there isn't enough footage that fits the story/theme then you can't do what you want to do.

For example: let's say I want to make a PMV on the song "Dog Days Are Over." Basically, the song is about a woman who's afraid of commitment. Great, I can make a PMV with the theme of Twilight's initial refusal to make friends. Some of the lyrics are "Happiness hit her like a bullet in the back," so maybe I can have half of the video be about her reluctance and transition the video into being about her acceptance. There's surely enough footage for that; if I need to, I can just fill the second half with random images of Twilight having a good time with her friends and it'll fit with the theme.

That's a really simple theme for a video, but mandarin's song/theme combination is really goddamn complicated and that's part of what it makes it so great.

Basically, there are two stories, loosely connected: the story of Twilight's magical freakout and the story of Twilight and co.'s efforts to free Luna from Nightmare Moon's influence. Both of these themes are pulled directly from canon but mandarin makes both concepts more emotionally impactful than they were in the show.

The chorus of the song goes like this:

"The stars, the moon, they have all been blown out
You left me in the dark
No dawn, no day, I'm always in this twilight
In the shadow of your heart"

The first time we hear the chorus it's simply an expression of how hurt/depressed/scared Twilight is during her "episode." The second time, the chorus drives the narrative. Nightmare Moon is on screen during "the moon" and the story is pretty tightly synced up with the lyrics. The third time, there are too many awesome things happening on-screen for us to really care about what the lyrics are saying (the lyrics have nothing to do with what's happening on-screen).

This illustrates the idea that the artist has a lot of license when deciding how tightly to fit the lyrics to the screen. Mandarin uses the lyrics as a way to create emotional moments, but doesn't enslave him/herself to what the lyrics are saying at any given time.

Even though PMVers don't have to follow the lyrics exactly, the tone of the song always needs to be followed, otherwise any kind of emotional resonance is lost. For example: 1:34 - 3:46 is the confrontation between Twilight and NM, but from 2:08 - 2:36 there's a sharp slowdown of the music. Any scenes of fighting during those 28 seconds would be completely out of place. As you can see from the video, mandarin comes up with a pretty genius solution to that problem. Nothing in the video ends up being out of place due to mandarin's brilliant design.

[image loading]


There are some other pretty creative things that mandarin does, including the idea of opening with the "falling star" of Rainbow Dash and transitioning into the crazy magic scene and somehow making it work with the lyrics. Things like that show a lot of forethought.

The moral of the story is: have your video planned out before you even boot up your video editing software. Have multiple drafts. It's hard to do multiple drafts when you've just spent forever video editing and you just want to get the finished product on Youtube. Measure twice, cut once.

2.) Technical stuff

I used Sony Vegas 10, and some minor fiddling in a graphics editing program for the mirror stuff.

I literally copied the mouth/jaw shapes I wanted from other frames and pasted them over the existing frames. Takes forever, but it's the only way I could get those sustained notes to look good without freezing the video, which looks really obvious.

So. What are some awesome technical tricks that mandarin pulled off in this video?

Creative transitions are one thing. I'm just gonna go through the video and list all of them.

0:00 -- the book intro
0:09 -- the "bar" transition with a piece of animation in the scene divider. Awesome.
0:15 -- Zoom-in on the eye.
0:27 -- the whole Mirrors thing. Used to great effect throughout.
1:10 -- doesn't waste any time, shifts narratives quickly and prettily
1:32 -- the bar thing again.
2:07 -- the "black explosion" is very cool and sets up the next scene really well
2:36 -- the flash of Nightmare's eyes before Twilight is thrown back from Luna is a nice touch.
2:50 -- subtle
4:10 -- book outro!

The lip syncing was done meticulously when it was needed, and loosely when it was not. You can check out 0:49 in the video and 18:35 of S01E01 to see an example of how a piece of animation is changed during lip syncing.

I've already talked about the problem of how 2:08 fits in with the rest of the video. Mandarin's solution was apparently to create an entirely new environment and have a rotoscoped (cut out from the background) Twilight walk around in it.

Badass.
All this was done in Sony Vegas Pro 10, so the rotoscoping was all done by hand.

Montage at 3:11. Every PMV needs a montage.

Finally, the dual screen after 3:45 are probably just there to fit in all of the "outro" scenes in a short amount of time. It works.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
December 12 2011 00:30 GMT
#6982
I'll just leave here one of the only other fan created content that motbob has said good things about. Also Cane/Gary I'm disappointed this wasnt in the marathon.

Camail
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1030 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 00:44:02
December 12 2011 00:43 GMT
#6983
Response:

Yes, that PMV is AMAZING, but I don't agree that your criterium can be the ONLY criterium. You have solid points within your crierium that are universal, like making the lyrics the story, but let's see where PMV comes from. AMV's are much a much more developed form of editting art comapred to our PMV community, and I would say that they don't follow everything you say.

My only objection that is worth elaborating on would be that you require the scenes within MLP to have relevance tot h story itself. This can add to the PMV if you choose a story that is somehow covered by MLP, but it is far too limiting. Those who make AMVs figured out that you can create story lines that don't even exist in the anime if you do it correctly. Once we become advanced enough in making PMVs the limitations of relevant scenes are just too great. Anime has hundreds of series to choose from and thousands of editors that create completely new pieces of art from a repository of clips. So I can't think relelveant MLP scenes are a criteria.

In short, I guess some things in your post is intuitive. The only way to make a good PMV or AMV is through real effort. You can't just have random clips that don't make sense, but having them make sense through their original context is only one way of doing so. I takes even more genius to create something new out of MLP than to enhance an already existing plot.
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Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11143 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 03:27:24
December 12 2011 03:26 GMT
#6984
The Stars Will Aid In Her Escape is definitely the best PMV out there and it is definitely the best by a large margin. That said there are still a few other PMVs that I consider enjoyable eg these two. OTOH, the more I fail to come up with other examples like this the more I agree with you that that PMV is special.
brood war for life, brood war forever
Eaglelander
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1 Post
December 12 2011 04:58 GMT
#6985
Yo bronies/TL

I met most of you for the first time yesterday...not a big SC fan, but was here for the MLP marathon.

And it was fantastic.

Sure, there could have been better halftimes and in-betweens or livestreams from the hosts, but I gotta say...the hosts were fantastic and obviously worked really, really hard. I hope they're sleeping hard. Really, REALLY hard.

Not to mention, the chat was hopping for all 16 hours, the admins were chipping into the comments, and good times were had by all, and memories established.

Lots of wingboner and HNGGGHHH jokes, though...and the singing...oh mother of god


But I bet some new people got the full experience. I'll definitely come back to check on this thread, 'cause face it: you bronies are awesome.

wicked fun, and till next time...
HGNNNNGHHHHHH

PS:
A PMV that was well-done, if not relevant:


And to Cane/GaryOak/Camail/Starscream (I mean Stardragon), thanks for your work and uploadings, and don't cry, Gary, and I. Completed. The Circle of Friends Challenge.

Didn't cry, but teared up...reminds me of a similar fic for a different fanbase called "Circle of Death." Yeah. O.o

Dakota!
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
December 12 2011 05:27 GMT
#6986
Well if were talking about PMVs I throw up my favorite. It's not as fancy as a lot of the newer ones, but it syncs very well, and it has a song that I actually like listening to.

Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
December 12 2011 06:14 GMT
#6987
On December 12 2011 09:17 motbob wrote:
So. I've bitched more than once in IRC about the quality of fan-made MLP content. I guess I have stupidly high standards. I've talked about how I think all fanfics are bad by default, about how MLP techno songs that everyone likes are usually bad and derivative in my opinion, and about how I didn't see anything special about PMVs that everyone else liked. In fact, when watching some PMVs I would get annoyed because they'd have good ideas and some sort of artistic vision behind them but at the last minute they would lapse into videos of Music Set to Random Ponies, which is what most PMVs are. An example would be this "Fix You" PMV.

So, given that, I want to talk about the only good PMV in existence! Oh my god what a pretentious thing to say. It's still true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV_0n5gp1fE
omg guys it's so good


The author of the video is "mmmandarinorange." I'll just call him/her "mandarin" from now on.

In this post I'm going to explain what makes the video so good. Why am I spending time on this? Mostly for the sake of future PMVers and anyone who wants to take time on a video editing project and not have it be completely shallow and bad.

1.) Design is King

When I talk about someone having an "artistic vision" for a video or other piece of creative work, that is just a more pretentious way of saying that the piece has been well-designed. When making any kind of video, people who know what they're doing go through an extensive creative process. That is, they plan out their videos in great detail before even booting up Sony Vegas Pro or whatever video editing program they're using. Most times this is done via storyboarding, though I don't know how Mandarin did it. Nukethestars is an example of someone who does really great creative stuff in his OSL hype videos, and he makes use of the process I'm talking about.

One thing that y'all should take away from this post is that making good videos is fucking hard! There were a lot of things that mandarin did in this particular video that were clearly the result of a lot of hard work.

Let's examine how the creative process might have helped make the Cosmic Love video good.

Obviously, PMVs wouldn't exist without a song. PMVs are based around the theme of the chosen song and usually sync up with the lyrics in some/many places. So song choice is a pretty important decision when making a PMV.

The song in question here is called "Cosmic love." It's a pretty dark song, which begs for a dark story/theme. However, choosing the right story/theme is critically important, too; you need to draw footage from the show in order to make your video and if there isn't enough footage that fits the story/theme then you can't do what you want to do.

For example: let's say I want to make a PMV on the song "Dog Days Are Over." Basically, the song is about a woman who's afraid of commitment. Great, I can make a PMV with the theme of Twilight's initial refusal to make friends. Some of the lyrics are "Happiness hit her like a bullet in the back," so maybe I can have half of the video be about her reluctance and transition the video into being about her acceptance. There's surely enough footage for that; if I need to, I can just fill the second half with random images of Twilight having a good time with her friends and it'll fit with the theme.

That's a really simple theme for a video, but mandarin's song/theme combination is really goddamn complicated and that's part of what it makes it so great.

Basically, there are two stories, loosely connected: the story of Twilight's magical freakout and the story of Twilight and co.'s efforts to free Luna from Nightmare Moon's influence. Both of these themes are pulled directly from canon but mandarin makes both concepts more emotionally impactful than they were in the show.

The chorus of the song goes like this:

"The stars, the moon, they have all been blown out
You left me in the dark
No dawn, no day, I'm always in this twilight
In the shadow of your heart"

The first time we hear the chorus it's simply an expression of how hurt/depressed/scared Twilight is during her "episode." The second time, the chorus drives the narrative. Nightmare Moon is on screen during "the moon" and the story is pretty tightly synced up with the lyrics. The third time, there are too many awesome things happening on-screen for us to really care about what the lyrics are saying (the lyrics have nothing to do with what's happening on-screen).

This illustrates the idea that the artist has a lot of license when deciding how tightly to fit the lyrics to the screen. Mandarin uses the lyrics as a way to create emotional moments, but doesn't enslave him/herself to what the lyrics are saying at any given time.

Even though PMVers don't have to follow the lyrics exactly, the tone of the song always needs to be followed, otherwise any kind of emotional resonance is lost. For example: 1:34 - 3:46 is the confrontation between Twilight and NM, but from 2:08 - 2:36 there's a sharp slowdown of the music. Any scenes of fighting during those 28 seconds would be completely out of place. As you can see from the video, mandarin comes up with a pretty genius solution to that problem. Nothing in the video ends up being out of place due to mandarin's brilliant design.

[image loading]


There are some other pretty creative things that mandarin does, including the idea of opening with the "falling star" of Rainbow Dash and transitioning into the crazy magic scene and somehow making it work with the lyrics. Things like that show a lot of forethought.

The moral of the story is: have your video planned out before you even boot up your video editing software. Have multiple drafts. It's hard to do multiple drafts when you've just spent forever video editing and you just want to get the finished product on Youtube. Measure twice, cut once.

2.) Technical stuff

Show nested quote +
I used Sony Vegas 10, and some minor fiddling in a graphics editing program for the mirror stuff.

Show nested quote +
I literally copied the mouth/jaw shapes I wanted from other frames and pasted them over the existing frames. Takes forever, but it's the only way I could get those sustained notes to look good without freezing the video, which looks really obvious.

So. What are some awesome technical tricks that mandarin pulled off in this video?

Creative transitions are one thing. I'm just gonna go through the video and list all of them.

0:00 -- the book intro
0:09 -- the "bar" transition with a piece of animation in the scene divider. Awesome.
0:15 -- Zoom-in on the eye.
0:27 -- the whole Mirrors thing. Used to great effect throughout.
1:10 -- doesn't waste any time, shifts narratives quickly and prettily
1:32 -- the bar thing again.
2:07 -- the "black explosion" is very cool and sets up the next scene really well
2:36 -- the flash of Nightmare's eyes before Twilight is thrown back from Luna is a nice touch.
2:50 -- subtle
4:10 -- book outro!

The lip syncing was done meticulously when it was needed, and loosely when it was not. You can check out 0:49 in the video and 18:35 of S01E01 to see an example of how a piece of animation is changed during lip syncing.

I've already talked about the problem of how 2:08 fits in with the rest of the video. Mandarin's solution was apparently to create an entirely new environment and have a rotoscoped (cut out from the background) Twilight walk around in it.

Badass.
Show nested quote +
All this was done in Sony Vegas Pro 10, so the rotoscoping was all done by hand.

Montage at 3:11. Every PMV needs a montage.

Finally, the dual screen after 3:45 are probably just there to fit in all of the "outro" scenes in a short amount of time. It works.


Your works will forever be remembered in the archives. Your contribution to all Equestrians will not be forgotten.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
BioSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States636 Posts
December 12 2011 06:31 GMT
#6988
A little off topic, but relevant nonetheless:

I finally got around to highlighting EVERY match from BronyCraft #1 on my Stream channel. I know I know, took me a week =P

If you want to watch a specific match, go to http://www.twitch.tv/bio_hon/videos?kind=highlights to view each and every game your heart desires! I am also working on getting them uploaded to my Youtube channel, but I doubt they will be in high quality. We shall see.

Stay tuned for #2, I will make sure that it happens asap =D
Bio - Breaking it down
Sprungjeezy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1313 Posts
December 12 2011 06:56 GMT
#6989
On December 12 2011 13:58 Eaglelander wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Yo bronies/TL

I met most of you for the first time yesterday...not a big SC fan, but was here for the MLP marathon.

And it was fantastic.

Sure, there could have been better halftimes and in-betweens or livestreams from the hosts, but I gotta say...the hosts were fantastic and obviously worked really, really hard. I hope they're sleeping hard. Really, REALLY hard.

Not to mention, the chat was hopping for all 16 hours, the admins were chipping into the comments, and good times were had by all, and memories established.

Lots of wingboner and HNGGGHHH jokes, though...and the singing...oh mother of god


But I bet some new people got the full experience. I'll definitely come back to check on this thread, 'cause face it: you bronies are awesome.

wicked fun, and till next time...
HGNNNNGHHHHHH

PS:
A PMV that was well-done, if not relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFXBrkbKVLI

And to Cane/GaryOak/Camail/Starscream (I mean Stardragon), thanks for your work and uploadings, and don't cry, Gary, and I. Completed. The Circle of Friends Challenge.

Didn't cry, but teared up...reminds me of a similar fic for a different fanbase called "Circle of Death." Yeah. O.o



I burst out laughing at Rainbow Dash beat boxing.
dopplex
Profile Joined August 2010
United States36 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 07:23:34
December 12 2011 07:02 GMT
#6990
Here's a vector I was working on tonight:

[image loading]

I'm a noob artist, so any constructive criticism would be appreciated. This was my first attempt at a pose that I didn't have a reference image for (only general pony reference). I've already been made aware that I should take another look at the flank/hip proportions, and perhaps downsize a bit... and I'm suddenly noticing that the ears are in completely different locations.

Edit: Strike that, went and edited the picture to hopefully fix the plot proportions and surrealist ear locations. Let me know anything that still looks weird.
Kaorix
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada13 Posts
December 12 2011 07:44 GMT
#6991
the marathon was really fun, ponys are much better with a crowd. though i had a hard time catching the PMVs when we switched to synchtube since it wouldn't advance my playlist
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
December 12 2011 07:51 GMT
#6992
I think her foreleg is too long it's slightly tilted towards the viewer, her shoulder is up if you were to straighten that out and bring her shoulder down it would be far longer than her rear legs
FoxyMayhem
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 08:59:54
December 12 2011 08:14 GMT
#6993
That's a pretty image Nice work man!

Constructive Crit stuffs:

The way her foreleg comes off appears to attach at the side of her body, like a human, instead of leaving the body downward. She also has human hind legs (aka, the mid-joint needs to be reversed like the image below). If you look at MLP's art style, the possition the reversed join quite high on the leg -- that's the protrusion that appears on the back of their legs. Speaking of "hip" ratios, once you correct the joint angle and move it up the leg, the hips will look appropriately sized. If you look at the MLP:FiM art style their hips end almost immediately after extending below the body.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Pinkie Pie also carries her tail like an Arabian horse -- aka, it come off the butt at a higher angle, pointing upward initially (if she was just standing normally) and then cascading down.

The second ear, the one poking from the hair, confuses my perspective. Pinkie Pie's forelock extends forward. Thus, the ear has to be floating out in front of her face 6 or so inches to appear like that -- just having it hidden behind the hair is best.

You also might want to add in the joint at the end of her forelegs, the one right before where a hoof would go. Right now the end of the leg either looks like it sticks straight out away from the cannon -- and thus not hugging it -- or is turned inward the way a human joint can do but a horse's joint cant. Simple bent that joint downward a bit and it will look like she's giving it a horse hug. This image shows it, especially her top hoof.

The back of the cannon in the show was rounded. Not sure if you're trying to match the show or not, but putting a bit of a dome on it would make it match.

Looking to see it as it progresses.

EDIT: added a few more things I saw.
Phearlock
Profile Joined December 2007
Norway400 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 08:51:33
December 12 2011 08:51 GMT
#6994
Anatomy has already been covered so won't go into that. Some advice for vectoring in general though, should look into the thickness of the outlines. Like the outline of her flank is typical of the MLP art style whereas many places it looks way too thin.
Having lines be somewhat varied at places (especially where they taper off instead of connecting to something else) is good though, just saying it's a bit excessive here.

Also, regarding lineart, if you're making an image with shading and light sources, it's often good to make the lines that are "lit up" so to speak a bit thinner than the lines that are shadowed. (Though no need to do this when doing a standard flat color vector)
Halvgud
Profile Joined November 2011
Norway12 Posts
December 12 2011 09:24 GMT
#6995
My most marked effects after two Mare-a-thons:

1)While at work, doing some (rather boring) packaging, I start singing "winter wrap up" steadily louder until I freeze at the sight of a customer looking very strangely at me. *nervousgrinhowcanIhelpyoutoday?sweatsweatsweat* CAAAAAANEEEEE!

2)Later, a model-body grade A Attractive customer walks away after purchase, and I find myself wondering what kind of cutie mark she has on her hip and what I would have to do to to get her to cordially meet my wingboner. GAAAAARYYYYYY!

Making sense? idk
secret butt fun nevertheless

I love you guys! You are totally AWESOME!

Also Motbob: good critique with good points.
All great deeds and all great thoughts have a ridiculous beginning. -Albert Camus
dopplex
Profile Joined August 2010
United States36 Posts
December 12 2011 12:53 GMT
#6996
Thanks for all the feedback! Hopefully will get a chance to make some more edits this evening.
ThatBronyGuy
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States169 Posts
December 12 2011 15:37 GMT
#6997
On December 12 2011 09:17 motbob wrote:
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So. I've bitched more than once in IRC about the quality of fan-made MLP content. I guess I have stupidly high standards. I've talked about how I think all fanfics are bad by default, about how MLP techno songs that everyone likes are usually bad and derivative in my opinion, and about how I didn't see anything special about PMVs that everyone else liked. In fact, when watching some PMVs I would get annoyed because they'd have good ideas and some sort of artistic vision behind them but at the last minute they would lapse into videos of Music Set to Random Ponies, which is what most PMVs are. An example would be this "Fix You" PMV.

So, given that, I want to talk about the only good PMV in existence! Oh my god what a pretentious thing to say. It's still true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV_0n5gp1fE
omg guys it's so good


The author of the video is "mmmandarinorange." I'll just call him/her "mandarin" from now on.

In this post I'm going to explain what makes the video so good. Why am I spending time on this? Mostly for the sake of future PMVers and anyone who wants to take time on a video editing project and not have it be completely shallow and bad.

1.) Design is King

When I talk about someone having an "artistic vision" for a video or other piece of creative work, that is just a more pretentious way of saying that the piece has been well-designed. When making any kind of video, people who know what they're doing go through an extensive creative process. That is, they plan out their videos in great detail before even booting up Sony Vegas Pro or whatever video editing program they're using. Most times this is done via storyboarding, though I don't know how Mandarin did it. Nukethestars is an example of someone who does really great creative stuff in his OSL hype videos, and he makes use of the process I'm talking about.

One thing that y'all should take away from this post is that making good videos is fucking hard! There were a lot of things that mandarin did in this particular video that were clearly the result of a lot of hard work.

Let's examine how the creative process might have helped make the Cosmic Love video good.

Obviously, PMVs wouldn't exist without a song. PMVs are based around the theme of the chosen song and usually sync up with the lyrics in some/many places. So song choice is a pretty important decision when making a PMV.

The song in question here is called "Cosmic love." It's a pretty dark song, which begs for a dark story/theme. However, choosing the right story/theme is critically important, too; you need to draw footage from the show in order to make your video and if there isn't enough footage that fits the story/theme then you can't do what you want to do.

For example: let's say I want to make a PMV on the song "Dog Days Are Over." Basically, the song is about a woman who's afraid of commitment. Great, I can make a PMV with the theme of Twilight's initial refusal to make friends. Some of the lyrics are "Happiness hit her like a bullet in the back," so maybe I can have half of the video be about her reluctance and transition the video into being about her acceptance. There's surely enough footage for that; if I need to, I can just fill the second half with random images of Twilight having a good time with her friends and it'll fit with the theme.

That's a really simple theme for a video, but mandarin's song/theme combination is really goddamn complicated and that's part of what it makes it so great.

Basically, there are two stories, loosely connected: the story of Twilight's magical freakout and the story of Twilight and co.'s efforts to free Luna from Nightmare Moon's influence. Both of these themes are pulled directly from canon but mandarin makes both concepts more emotionally impactful than they were in the show.

The chorus of the song goes like this:

"The stars, the moon, they have all been blown out
You left me in the dark
No dawn, no day, I'm always in this twilight
In the shadow of your heart"

The first time we hear the chorus it's simply an expression of how hurt/depressed/scared Twilight is during her "episode." The second time, the chorus drives the narrative. Nightmare Moon is on screen during "the moon" and the story is pretty tightly synced up with the lyrics. The third time, there are too many awesome things happening on-screen for us to really care about what the lyrics are saying (the lyrics have nothing to do with what's happening on-screen).

This illustrates the idea that the artist has a lot of license when deciding how tightly to fit the lyrics to the screen. Mandarin uses the lyrics as a way to create emotional moments, but doesn't enslave him/herself to what the lyrics are saying at any given time.

Even though PMVers don't have to follow the lyrics exactly, the tone of the song always needs to be followed, otherwise any kind of emotional resonance is lost. For example: 1:34 - 3:46 is the confrontation between Twilight and NM, but from 2:08 - 2:36 there's a sharp slowdown of the music. Any scenes of fighting during those 28 seconds would be completely out of place. As you can see from the video, mandarin comes up with a pretty genius solution to that problem. Nothing in the video ends up being out of place due to mandarin's brilliant design.

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There are some other pretty creative things that mandarin does, including the idea of opening with the "falling star" of Rainbow Dash and transitioning into the crazy magic scene and somehow making it work with the lyrics. Things like that show a lot of forethought.

The moral of the story is: have your video planned out before you even boot up your video editing software. Have multiple drafts. It's hard to do multiple drafts when you've just spent forever video editing and you just want to get the finished product on Youtube. Measure twice, cut once.

2.) Technical stuff

I used Sony Vegas 10, and some minor fiddling in a graphics editing program for the mirror stuff.

I literally copied the mouth/jaw shapes I wanted from other frames and pasted them over the existing frames. Takes forever, but it's the only way I could get those sustained notes to look good without freezing the video, which looks really obvious.

So. What are some awesome technical tricks that mandarin pulled off in this video?

Creative transitions are one thing. I'm just gonna go through the video and list all of them.

0:00 -- the book intro
0:09 -- the "bar" transition with a piece of animation in the scene divider. Awesome.
0:15 -- Zoom-in on the eye.
0:27 -- the whole Mirrors thing. Used to great effect throughout.
1:10 -- doesn't waste any time, shifts narratives quickly and prettily
1:32 -- the bar thing again.
2:07 -- the "black explosion" is very cool and sets up the next scene really well
2:36 -- the flash of Nightmare's eyes before Twilight is thrown back from Luna is a nice touch.
2:50 -- subtle
4:10 -- book outro!

The lip syncing was done meticulously when it was needed, and loosely when it was not. You can check out 0:49 in the video and 18:35 of S01E01 to see an example of how a piece of animation is changed during lip syncing.

I've already talked about the problem of how 2:08 fits in with the rest of the video. Mandarin's solution was apparently to create an entirely new environment and have a rotoscoped (cut out from the background) Twilight walk around in it.

Badass.
All this was done in Sony Vegas Pro 10, so the rotoscoping was all done by hand.

Montage at 3:11. Every PMV needs a montage.

Finally, the dual screen after 3:45 are probably just there to fit in all of the "outro" scenes in a short amount of time. It works.


Thank you so much for posting about this PMV. I saw it at the beginning of the mareathon this weekend and I was wondering what it was. Thanks for making the search that much easier. I don't have much to add though. To be honest, I don't really look at PMV's with that much detail. I'm more of a, "Well, I liked it or I didn't like it," and not much more thought put into it . It does make you think about the amount of work that goes into stuff like this and makes you appreciate it all the more, however.
Johnzee
Profile Joined April 2011
United States216 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 16:03:02
December 12 2011 15:57 GMT
#6998
A couple of months ago, I helped turn one of my new friends into a brony, and she's really... REALLY... into the show now. Fortunately she's a great artist and keeps making awesome stuff.

Yesterday we had a pre-Christmas TV-show marathon (we're watching Battlestar Galactica, The Wire, and of course, MLP) at her place and I got to see some of her more recent projects:

MLP CHRISTMAS TREE
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We have a real-life obsession with flippin' tables (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ so she drew some ponies encountering tables and we got to pick one out as a little Christmas gift:
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Troll pony stocking-stuffer from the dollar store:
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“A children's story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good children's story in the slightest.” - C.S. Lewis
Tritanis
Profile Joined November 2007
Poland344 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 16:29:23
December 12 2011 16:28 GMT
#6999
On December 12 2011 13:58 Eaglelander wrote:
PS:
A PMV that was well-done, if not relevant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFXBrkbKVLI

When that blue screen appeared I was like WHAT THE F--- for a second, but a moment later I laughed at myself for being so silly...

Oh, add me to THE BRONY LIST. I watched every episode at least twice, read one short fanfic (The Best Night Ever) and started to lurk this thread since maybe month ago.

Hail Equestria!

edit: lol I'm a zealot now o0
I live, I serve, I die for the Metal
Zoundsforsook
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Scotland636 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 16:46:16
December 12 2011 16:44 GMT
#7000
On December 13 2011 00:57 Johnzee wrote:
A couple of months ago, I helped turn one of my new friends into a brony, and she's really... REALLY... into the show now. Fortunately she's a great artist and keeps making awesome stuff.

Yesterday we had a pre-Christmas TV-show marathon (we're watching Battlestar Galactica, The Wire, and of course, MLP) at her place and I got to see some of her more recent projects:

haha David Tennant getting applebucked is great, I suppose AJ and the Doctor would be natural enemies :p (an apple a day keeps the Doctor away, if you know that expression)

That is some really cool stuff you got going on there
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