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KillingTime
France101 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On September 21 2012 22:57 Dandel Ion wrote: + Show Spoiler + Yeah, I know rethos looked a bit scummy, but I do think that prior to the whole "I don't give a shit h4h4h4h4"-debacle, he was 100% following the bad-newbie-town semi-lurker path. I don't have a flipping idea what goat rid him those last pages though... Anywhoo, first things first for the people concerned with meta and such things: I played town (VT) in NMM XIII I played horrible scum in NMM XV Also, some LOGIC about the roleblock and nightkill to start things off: On September 21 2012 13:10 thrawn2112 wrote: If the reasoning behind that is that he is trying to save his strongest town read then it would have gone to either of the 2 confirmed masons. Anyway there are tons of possible explanations of the roleblock and no reason to believe any of more than any other so I'd rather not speculate about it. SDM probably roleblocked you. In fact, IF you have been roleblocked, it was SDM. Reasoning: It was redundant for him to roleblock one of the masons. You all treat the masons as confirmed town, but they really are not. As long as none of them flip, there will remain some doubt. And it could possibly surface at a very bad time for town. It would be incredibly stupid for scum to shoot one mason, and leave the other in the game. During Night 1, that is. Now the thing is, scum got lucky and hit the jailkeeper, which means they could possibly kill Sharrant and Sharky during the next 2 nightphases. If they did not hit the JK, they wouldn't be practiaclly able to whack either, because the JK could just camp the confirmed town. Sure, scum can then hit anyone else, but that's a long time to leave a confirmed townie running around. Might as well start shooting into the crowd right away. Which they did. tl;dr: SDM was a smart man. And scum is unfortunately not mentally handicapped. Also, EVERY roleblock happening absolutely needs to be claimed. I would think that should be a no-brainer for townies, but I want to say it. If there's anyone else that got roleblocked during the night, please claim too. Ah, and for the record, I wrote that Sharrant and Sharky can't be confirmed town yet, but I am pretty sure that they actually are. The reason for that is that Cubu faced the strong possibility of a modkill (usually you'd get modkilled for not voting, even in a newbie game), and I don't think Sharrant would go full balls-to-the-walls and risk being outed with the nightpost. Also, the qt conversation and timestamps. Just so that there's no confusion about that expression of mine. | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
Also Kush you seem extra annoyed, I would almost say you are over doing yourself. Kush is currently one of my largest active scum reads. His meta seems to be himself plus a bit extra, however as it was mentioned before we probably should focus more on the lurkers incase we lose a active town(we have so few of these or even posibilities for these). (note: kush was pushing on someone I see as an active town in the form of thrawn{also kush if you could answer my previous argument it would be good}) | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Do you mean Remedy or something? I is confused. | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On September 21 2012 23:53 JacobStrangelove wrote: Also Kush you seem extra annoyed, I would almost say you are over doing yourself. Kush is currently one of my largest active scum reads. His meta seems to be himself plus a bit extra, however as it was mentioned before we probably should focus more on the lurkers incase we lose a active town(we have so few of these or even posibilities for these). (note: kush was pushing on someone I see as an town in the form of thrawn{also kush if you could answer my previous argument it would be good}) K sorry guys I didn't realize that no one is allowed to doubt thrawn. His penis... it's just too strong. | ||
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
Why am I so sure? Because I was roleblocked, and it had previously been discussed me being RB'ed by the jailor so that I wouldn't die. It makes no sense for anyone else to RB me, either we have a seperate town RB'er who is still very suspicious of me, or we have a very bad mafia RB'er who thought RB'ing a mason would actually do something. In my mind it's much more likely SDM RB'ed me, and a townie or mafia RB'ed Thrawn. Thrawn, I would like to know exactly how your RB text was written. EXACTLY. Please. Now here's where things get tricky. I assume SDM RB'ed me to save me. And there was another possible jailor, possible vanilla roleblock, or possible lie about a role block by Thrawn. (I do consider Thrawn fairly town so I'm not sure about him lying, it seems to be a big risk). So here's where the really big question comes in If someone is jailed and attacked, are they informed they survived an attack? Because if they are not informed, it's entirely possible that I was attacked, or Thrawn was attacked, but we don't know. Thus the SK possibility is just as high as it started. Hell, it's entirely possible that due to the flavour we're considering that a mafia attack, when it was an SK attack. He's said the fluff is just fluff, so we don't know what type of scum killed him. (For now I'm still considering it a mafia attack though, but it's a 70-30 thing because I think mafia would more likely go after me, and SK more likely SDM, but this is a newbie game so that's just speculation) If we are informed, then it's most likely there is no SK, unless they took a liking to my earlier post on how I would play an SK in this situation. Rethos' replacement is kind of out of the blue for me, I had a scum feeling about him before, I'm not sure how that will change with him suddenly having a new personality. Kush does stand out to me as a distinct possibility as mafia, but I do agree we should focus more on the lurkier players still. THere's a very good chance that the group of Dandel Ion, Remedy, Atreides, KillingTime contain at least one scum. Just spitballing here, but Remedy+KillingTime or Dandel Ion+Atreides make the most sense as teams in my head unless there's some attack-y stuff between them I'm not remembering. There's a good chance only one of those 4 is scum though, unfortunately it's hard to read while they're still lurking. At least with Dandel Ion we should hopefully be getting a more clear read today. Also, especially with the new players joining it's imperrative you check the spelling of people's names. Honestly, my name was misspelled ninety percent of the time on Day 1, it got a little annoying. And some of them were really funny on other people, like Atreides had his name bombed pretty hard. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On September 22 2012 00:16 Sharrant wrote: If someone is jailed and attacked, are they informed they survived an attack? No | ||
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RemedySC
Canada176 Posts
My scummiest read is on stutters, mainly because of this post. On September 20 2012 04:37 Stutters695 wrote: Killing or any other lurker is a better lynch than Sharrant at this point for two main reasons (IMO): 1) Sharrant is active. If he is scum it will reveal itself over time, while if we go into lategame with a bunch of lurkers we're boned in lylo. 2)You guys are painting the SK idea as way too scummy imo. Look at Kush's early posts. Self-survival is usually indicative of a power-role or scum. If he's a blue he wouldn't have so obviously painted a target on himself. If he's scum it seems to reason he wouldn't paint such a big target on himself. Given the option between SK and VT, SK makes a hell of a lot more sense. I don't necessarily agree with that conclusion but it makes sense and he's putting himself out there on that read and gives us even more of substance to hold him accountable for. Looking at the lurkers: Drazak: Would like to see some more from him before the lynch. Nowhere near the least active and he has at least thrown out questions. Wouldn't be our best lynch target imo. KillingTime has been actively lurking. He has 11 posts during D1. He has only one post with any real content. This is similar to his town play in XXVI but his reads in this have all been agreeing with other people while in XXVI his reads were more based on his observations. Really I'd like to see a lynch on Cubu. Regardless of if Cubu is scum or town, Cubu needs to die. For anyone who didn't play in NMMXXVI check his filter there (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363923&user=153930). 9 posts before he was lynched on day 2. We let him live Day 1 with the hopes his play would improve and it didn't as VT. After we wasted a lynch on him D2 we put ourselves in mylo. We shouldn't let that happen again when we can easily avoid it. Our day 2 lynch candidate will be a much stronger one than our D1 if we're lynching someone active and Cubu has shown no intentions of actually playing. ##Vote Cubu In this post he mentions three confirmed town. KillingTime I am iffy on, and I'll take a closer look at his posts. I think that if Killing is town though, than this post by Stutters is very scummy. He even goes as far to say that even if Cubu is town he needs to die. Like really? | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
On September 22 2012 00:16 Sharrant wrote: Also, especially with the new players joining it's imperrative you check the spelling of people's names. Honestly, my name was misspelled ninety percent of the time on Day 1, it got a little annoying. And some of them were really funny on other people, like Atreides had his name bombed pretty hard. I have to apologise for this, I have a horrible memory when it comes to names.. That said I will probably sleep now (try and reset my schedual) so I will see you all in the morning. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Yes, that MUST have been SDM. Scum RB'd thrawn then. Too bad I already gave SDM credit for not JK'ing Sharrant (or Sharky), now it turns out he did :/ | ||
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RemedySC
Canada176 Posts
On September 22 2012 00:30 Dandel Ion wrote: Ah, so Sharrant got JK'd. Yes, that MUST have been SDM. Scum RB'd thrawn then. Too bad I already gave SDM credit for not JK'ing Sharrant (or Sharky), now it turns out he did :/ Not necessarily. We could have another roleblocker who is town in the ugly prostitute. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On September 22 2012 00:32 RemedySC wrote: Not necessarily. We could have another roleblocker who is town in the ugly prostitute. It would make zero sense for a town RB (RB doesn't protect from nighthits) to block thrawn of all people. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On September 22 2012 00:16 Sharrant wrote: In my mind it's much more likely SDM RB'ed me, and a townie or mafia RB'ed Thrawn. Thrawn, I would like to know exactly how your RB text was written. EXACTLY. Please. I'd like to point out that PMs from hosts may not be shared under any circumstances. Further, the notifications for mafia roleblocker, town roleblocker, and Jailkeeper would all say the same thing. | ||
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RemedySC
Canada176 Posts
Why are you defending him with bad logic? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On September 21 2012 14:34 JacobStrangelove wrote: Ok this was my kush case from last night (the one that I was unsure about) I will post it in a spoiler so you can see what I was thinking. + Show Spoiler + I’m getting more and more tired again however I will move onto kush. I don’t think anybody denies kush is hard to read. But I will list the things of meta that I know about kush. He posts a lot he tends to be spazzy and is highly illogical. That said don’t know what his mafia meta is like (I imagine it would be similar) and he seems to be more so strange than usual. For one he is more bi-polar than usual. (last game he was pretty sure on his reads and I had to force him to change) I am tired to I will just copy paste. I am looking to step up my play this game. Last game was quite humbling for me. I made a lot of bad calls, and d1 caused a mislynch >< IM SORRY CUBU Very next post If you write 1 post a day but it's a brilliant epic post then that's cool with me. I can be realistic about people's busy schedules. And that is WAY better than a few little posts with no content. .. and I'm looking at you STUTTERS, DRAZAK, and ESPECIALLY CUBU who were all town last game but pretty trash town. While this isn’t a read it goes from Sorry to YOU’RE TRASH. But I will get to the actual reads now. Oh lol, just ran into this by kush. You call me insincere because at first I say sorry cubu for bandwagoning him last game, then I call him out for lurking? I am not going to make a case against him for lurking, but I think a COUPLE words saying so and so are lurking we still need a post is fine. And yeah I will say cubu played really really bad last game. I wont apologize for saying that. I'm still sorry for lynching him. I was not trying to start a flame war for with cubu, I was just trying to get him to post. I think encouraging lurkers to post by calling them out or asking them questions is productive. Making cases against lurkers is not productive. (this part is from today) So with this I kinda stopped because his filter was large and I needed sleep, I still didn’t end up sleeping for a while after but in anycase. Ok this is where I left off my kush thoughts however now I will continue from a point I can analise just before the mason claim. Before the mason claim you write this. Then when he realises another bandwagon is needed he says He dropped his killing idea entirely he said it was because he didn’t have time to read killings filter but assuming he didn’t leave there is a hour gap at least before the vote. Killings filter isn’t that large. and if he thought he was scummy before surely he wouldn't need to read that much filter to catch up... Also he says this When just before he mentioned Drazak maybe? There must be some reason for this... He probably made a hint at a bandwagon and then pretended he jumped on it 100% bandwagon style because he “had no say in the matter” He didn’t jump on the bandwagon he planted the seed... He said to go for drazak over killing, The only mention I could find before this was sharrent saying he would go for drazak but then saying killing or drazak. So my theory is kush sees this jumps on drazak with the one line instead of killing (why?) Are they both scum? Who knows but in anycase it worked sonic went on drazak and sharrent went on drazak. Sharrent was on him already but he is almost 100% confirmed town now, sonic is confirmed town and kush looks to be the one who jumped in on the flow of things. /Flame on + Show Spoiler + We were town buds last game but this game I don't respect you at all. You are mostly afk basically for the first day. You make posts but they have a sum total of 0 content. You circumlocute, you say some obvious shit. The only thing that is keeping me from suspecting you is the fact that you also made no sense last game. I don't know maybe you should stop playing for a while until you learn the english language? I didn't read drazak's filter until I saw the post from thrawn telling me to give my thoughts on killing and drazak. Yes I bandwagoned on him. Partly because I remembered him being a bigger lurker than he actually was. I had looked at killing's filter previously, and I thought it was not that scummy. Let me go through my thought process chronologically. Sharrant claims him and cubu masons. me: O fuck well I have no idea who to vote for right now. Who is the next biggest lurker? I don't really know since no one was even close to as much of a lurker as cubu. Maybe drazak. I remember him being one of the lurker lynch candidates. A bunch of other people vote drazak. me: k i guess drazak is the lurker lynch we are going with. vote drazak. Then I semi afk but still glance at the thread now and then. Because if someone makes a compelling case for someone else and people vote change, I am willing to vote change with them (because I'm not wed to voting for drazak in any way). I notice that thrawn asks me to share my thoughts on killing vs drazak. NOTE: I don't know when I saw this post. Honestly I was not watching the clock. I was doing other things and looking back at the thread periodically. Thrawn made the post with about 45 minutes left until lynch time. I read through both filters, and was going to say "yup drazak doesn't look that scummy, thrawn looks scummier, i would totally be down for a vote change. Then I realize that its' already past the deadline. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 22 2012 00:39 marvellosity wrote: I'd like to point out that PMs from hosts may not be shared under any circumstances. Further, the notifications for mafia roleblocker, town roleblocker, and Jailkeeper would all say the same thing. I cant copy/paste the text or do you mean screenshots? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
I read through both filters, and was going to say "yup drazak doesn't look that scummy, killing looks scummier, i would totally be down for a vote change. Then I realize that its' already past the deadline. | ||
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