Newbie Mini Mafia XXVII - Page 36

On September 22 2012 00:36 Dandel Ion wrote:

It would make zero sense for a town RB (RB doesn't protect from nighthits) to block thrawn of all people.

On September 22 2012 00:16 Sharrant wrote:
Hey, guys. I can 100% guarantee you that SDM was not the one who role blocked THrawn. Somebody else did that.

Why am I so sure? Because I was roleblocked, and it had previously been discussed me being RB'ed by the jailor so that I wouldn't die. It makes no sense for anyone else to RB me, either we have a seperate town RB'er who is still very suspicious of me, or we have a very bad mafia RB'er who thought RB'ing a mason would actually do something.

In my mind it's much more likely SDM RB'ed me, and a townie or mafia RB'ed Thrawn. Thrawn, I would like to know exactly how your RB text was written. EXACTLY. Please.

Now here's where things get tricky. I assume SDM RB'ed me to save me. And there was another possible jailor, possible vanilla roleblock, or possible lie about a role block by Thrawn. (I do consider Thrawn fairly town so I'm not sure about him lying, it seems to be a big risk). So here's where the really big question comes in

If someone is jailed and attacked, are they informed they survived an attack?

Because if they are not informed, it's entirely possible that I was attacked, or Thrawn was attacked, but we don't know. Thus the SK possibility is just as high as it started. Hell, it's entirely possible that due to the flavour we're considering that a mafia attack, when it was an SK attack. He's said the fluff is just fluff, so we don't know what type of scum killed him. (For now I'm still considering it a mafia attack though, but it's a 70-30 thing because I think mafia would more likely go after me, and SK more likely SDM, but this is a newbie game so that's just speculation)

If we are informed, then it's most likely there is no SK, unless they took a liking to my earlier post on how I would play an SK in this situation.

Rethos' replacement is kind of out of the blue for me, I had a scum feeling about him before, I'm not sure how that will change with him suddenly having a new personality.

Kush does stand out to me as a distinct possibility as mafia, but I do agree we should focus more on the lurkier players still. THere's a very good chance that the group of Dandel Ion, Remedy, Atreides, KillingTime contain at least one scum.

Just spitballing here, but Remedy+KillingTime or Dandel Ion+Atreides make the most sense as teams in my head unless there's some attack-y stuff between them I'm not remembering. There's a good chance only one of those 4 is scum though, unfortunately it's hard to read while they're still lurking. At least with Dandel Ion we should hopefully be getting a more clear read today.

Also, especially with the new players joining it's imperrative you check the spelling of people's names. Honestly, my name was misspelled ninety percent of the time on Day 1, it got a little annoying. And some of them were really funny on other people, like Atreides had his name bombed pretty hard.

On September 21 2012 21:55 kushm4sta wrote:
in between class high as fuck so I'm gonna keep this short. mafia don't get bored.he might have lied about his reason for afking but I don't think he lied about being bored.
all he did was turn this thread into scum paradise basically.

On September 22 2012 01:02 thrawn2112 wrote:


Well obviously if he were mafia he lied about being bored. It'd be just another lie after the several he made in the span of like 10 minutes.

On September 22 2012 00:59 thrawn2112 wrote:


unless they thought I was scum

Also Dandel if rethos/you are town then obviously I can't expect you to be able to defend his actions but imo what he said was scummy enough for me to keep the vote on you unless you change my mind about that. So who do you propose lynching?



In answer to your question I'm not allowed to post specific wording but marv said that all roleblock notifications say the same thing. Not sure if you asked me to post to verify it against yours or if you are digging for information about where the roleblock would have come from.

Your logic about roleblocking makes sense but I do not know what information it gives or if the 2nd roleblock can be verified to have come from either mafia or town so once again I don't put too much stock in that discussion right now. However I will give my thoughts on my roleblock. If it came from a town player it was because they thought I was scum, or they were a jk thinking I was town. If it came from mafia, I think they suspect me of being one of the more powerful blue roles and they were trying to stop me from performing an action based upon the reads I was making during N1. And all that is under the assumption that your mason confirmation is indeed accurate. I don't think it's possible that you could have faked those timestamps in 5 minutes and to me that is enough to assume your mason status is confirmed. That's all I have to say about that topic though because there's no way of knowing (except asking for a role claim which I don't think would be worth it for this situation) which option I should believe.

I'd like to move on from the roleblocking discussion and on to lynch discussion.

On September 22 2012 01:06 kushm4sta wrote:

Why would he leave the game if he wasn't bored?

On September 22 2012 01:17 thrawn2112 wrote:


because I had just outed him as mafia. sounds like cheating to me but that is at the mod's discretion

On September 22 2012 01:25 kushm4sta wrote:


So just that suspicion was enough to make him say oh fuck the only way out of this is to quit from the game and pretend im bored?
That doesn't seem likely to me.

On September 21 2012 22:57 Dandel Ion wrote:
Reasoning: It was redundant for him to roleblock one of the masons.
You all treat the masons as confirmed town, but they really are not. As long as none of them flip, there will remain some doubt.
And it could possibly surface at a very bad time for town. It would be incredibly stupid for scum to shoot one mason, and leave the other in the game. During Night 1, that is.

On September 22 2012 01:34 thrawn2112 wrote:


I'd say they're confirmed town. If you've got any reason otherwise please say so.

Ah, and for the record, I wrote that Sharrant and Sharky can't be confirmed town yet, but I am pretty sure that they actually are.

The reason for that is that Cubu faced the strong possibility of a modkill (usually you'd get modkilled for not voting, even in a newbie game), and I don't think Sharrant would go full balls-to-the-walls and risk being outed with the nightpost. Also, the qt conversation and timestamps.

Just so that there's no confusion about that expression of mine.

On September 22 2012 01:39 Dandel Ion wrote:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548&currentpage=35#683

My filter is not that big (yet)....

On September 22 2012 01:44 thrawn2112 wrote:


Yeah in that post you talk about how you think they are masons because of the modkill possibility, but I want to know why you originally said they aren't confirmed in the earlier post.

Believe it or not I was actually making a test to see how much leniancy lurkers get in this game. It seems to me that it's a lot. I mean how much did people take to realize that I was not posting ANYTHING?

On September 22 2012 01:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
But that's arguing semantics, for you 99% = confirmed, for me it is 100% = confirmed.
As I said, I do believe them, and I do not think that they are scum.

On September 22 2012 01:56 debears wrote:
3. His claim of being bored

Someone pointed out his excitement in the pregame with the picture deal. So, lets say he was hoping he'd get the blue role or a mafia role. If he is townie, yeah he could be bored. However, why did he wait til his back was against the wall, arguably a time when he shouldn't be bored, to say he was bored and quit?

If he was a blue role, I don't understand why he would be bored since he would be a key part of the town.

If he was mafia, he wouldn't be bored since he has to think clearly and watch what he posts and try to sway people whom he knows are town against each other.

To me, this gives strong evidence that the boredom claim was indeed a lie.

thrawn2112 United States. September 21 2012 18:24. Posts 1186 PM Profile Blog Quote #
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I'm looking through your filter and I don't see boredom. You do stuff like ask mods to fix killings filter, you make a post saying "don't let conversation die down" and you do a manual vote count.

On September 19 2012 23:08 rethos wrote:
I think people should post their votes as soon as possible so the town knows where it stands. Random last minute voting is bad. People that have not voted (I can be bothered to go check who they are) show your side. Looking into stutters right now.