EPTMafia does not leave games as a tactic.
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Mafia does not leave games as a tactic. | ||
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RemedySC
Canada176 Posts
Before playing mafia, he would be excited to try it out. Maybe he couldn't get into though. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 22 2012 03:06 kushm4sta wrote: Mafia not leave games as a tactic. Yes mafia leaves games, but they only do it when they have an actual reason, like they are busy (weetee) or they are bored. In newbie xxv (I think) scum dandel ion offered to leave. This was because he felt he was too busy to properly defend himself as mafia, not because he thought it was the only escape from suspicion. So whether town or mafia I think rethos really was bored. He was not bored pregame when he drew a cat. He was not bored d1 when he was very active and made a vote count. That I agree with. He became bored, though, and that accounts for his long afk. If you accept that he was actually bored, the case against him falls apart. It makes sense that he lied about wanting to test lurker leniency, because he didn't want to admit to his boredom. Also it fit his point about not pressuring the lurkers enough. Here's what happened: First he lies about having a lurking plan: "Believe it or not I was actually making a test to see how much leniancy lurkers get in this game" (not a plan a townie with any sense would use) and then he lies about the lie: "To be clear my defense against lurking is not "hey I did it on purpose", it's "hey I will not be lurking anymore now"" (saying "I will not be lurking anymore" ..... how does that = boredom?) then he goes back to saying the first lie was true: "So basically there is a problem with this game (all newbie games? I don't know) that is that people are not pressuring lurkers at all. Mainly they are giving them little slaps on the hand like (hey you have not posted in a while). I wanted to actually attract attention to that. And I think I actually succedded." then he says all the previous lies actually were lies and that instead he's bored "Actually no.. I am sorry to all of you. But it really seems that playing mafia is really not for me. I got bored and did not want to post any more. Now I am trying to catch up and can't get bring myself to it. Yes I lied about having this weird plan of lurking intentionally. I lurked because I did not have motivation to do anything." How does that more sense than coming out and being truthful about being bored right off the bat? | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 22 2012 03:06 kushm4sta wrote:Yes mafia leaves games, but they only do it when they have an actual reason, like they are busy (weetee) or they are bored. Mafia leaves games if they are bored? So you're saying that he is both bored and mafia? Are you still high or are you scum? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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KillingTime
France101 Posts
mafia don't get bored.he might have lied about his reason for afking but I don't think he lied about being bored. now you are saying: Yes mafia leaves games, but they only do it when they have an actual reason, like they are busy (weetee) or they are bored. I / town am not going to listen to someone who comes into the thread "high as fuck" and says one thing and then contradicts himself so directly a short while later. I don't quite understand why mafia would fight so hard to pull off one mislynch for two mafia. But this is terrible play for either mafia or town. ##Vote: Dandel Ion | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Remedy starts the thread off by arguing and being nitpicky about the lurker-lynch policy – well, okay, maybe he just disagrees and you still need to explain to him that when you say “we’re gonna lynch all lurkers”, you don’t necessarily WILL lynch all lurkers, you just don’t want anyone to lurk, and the best way to make people not lurk is telling them you’ll kill them. Then he states, multiple times, that he will be around a lot, or have “something good” later. (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548¤tpage=5#97 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548¤tpage=9#169 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548¤tpage=12#236 And so on) Guess what? Nothing ever comes. The third one says: I am going to do some more reading and try to have a better argument done before going to sleep. Two posts later: On September 19 2012 13:42 RemedySC wrote: Damn, I'm way too tired to concentrate. I will be back early in the morning. Good night. Now, I don’t know if his post between that was his “better argument”, but it doesn’t look like it to me (For reference:+ Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 11:51 RemedySC wrote: Kush, this post stood out to me also. Debears posts do seem to link him and Thrawn, and if drazak is a part of this trio, than this post could just be another defense for his said teammate. He keeps promising posts/activity, but you should get what I'm saying by now. Just read through his filter, it's not a long read. But that’s just side notes. The real issue I have with him is how he “scumhunts”. He just quotes shit and then slaps a one/twoliner or some random questions onto it. Take his case on thrawn: On September 21 2012 07:51 RemedySC wrote: Kush actually did provide his read. Looks like you're digging, and avoiding the accusations against you. ##FOS Thrawn On September 21 2012 08:40 RemedySC wrote: This post by Thrawn to me screams mafia if you think of drazak as a town. Why get worked up over this post by drazak, when he was replying to Kush? He is very capable of defending himself. Scum slip? That sentence totally contradicts itself. This is only explainable with one thing: He puts zero effort into scumhunting. He doesn’t even read the posts properly (as shown in the second quote where he completely misses the double negative in the supposed “scumslip”) The same for his “case” on Stutters: On September 22 2012 00:22 RemedySC wrote: Okay, too move the conversation towards the lurkers, since they haven't been active d2. My scummiest read is on stutters, mainly because of this post. In this post he mentions three confirmed town. KillingTime I am iffy on, and I'll take a closer look at his posts. I think that if Killing is town though, than this post by Stutters is very scummy. He even goes as far to say that even if Cubu is town he needs to die. Like really? Overall, reading through his filter and the thread as a whole, he seemed to me VERY MUCH like somebody that tries to be just active enough to not be seen as a lurker (many posts with little to no content), while contributing as little as humanly possible while doing that. Which, to me, screams scum play. I would like for everyone to look at his filter and tell me what they think about this. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 22 2012 03:35 kushm4sta wrote: Thrawn I'm saying that even if he was mafia, boredom was his reason for leaving. Are you? On September 22 2012 03:06 kushm4sta wrote:.If you accept that he was actually bored, the case against him falls apart. FOS Kush | ||
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KillingTime
France101 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Even if I did replace a scum (which I did not blablabla), there's still more scum in this and just going "yep lynch this guy, see you in two days" will not help. Just saying. If you want to lynch rethos (aka me), go on ahead, but don't be idiots about it. That's all I will say about the whole rethos matter. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 22 2012 03:39 Dandel Ion wrote:I would like for everyone to look at his filter and tell me what they think about this. Other than your predecessor he's my top scumread. Your posting is way way more townish than rethos was but rethos was so scummy that my vote remains. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Is there a chance he is scum? I doubt it but of course there is a chance. I'm saying that I think bored mafia is more likely than mafia that uses faked boredom into quitting the game as a scum strategy. | ||
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KillingTime
France101 Posts
Possible Motivations: If you are mafia and he is town - putting that much focus on trying to prevent you being lynched by exonerating rethos seems bad play to me. Also, he said at the start that: Last game was quite humbling for me. I made a lot of bad calls...I'm going to try to be more careful and have better analysis this game. - does not seem like he is doing that. If you are mafia and he is mafia - makes no sense If you are town and he is mafia - He can make a defence of you, (knowing it was unlikely to succeed with rethos terrible play) then when you get lynched say "I didn't want to lynch him anyway, you should have listened to me" - gaining townie cred off a mislynch. Ho Hum - Kush, do you really think this is a good example of careful & better analysis? | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 22 2012 03:49 kushm4sta wrote: Ok its wrong to say "mafia don't get bored" because that is an absolute. I would rather say, in my current sober state, that it is much less likely for scum to get bored. Is there a chance he is scum? I doubt it but of course there is a chance. I'm saying that I think bored mafia is more likely than mafia that uses faked boredom into quitting the game as a scum strategy. Lol in my first mafia game as town I got really baked and then I lurked in the thread taking notes and making theories. I took a nap, woke up and proceeded to make the mother of all scummy-sounding posting sprees. So if you're town then my advice is: don't play this game high, don't even read the thread. So you believe the boredom claim no matter if he is town or scum right? Is there a reason for you doubting he's scum or is it just a gut feeling? | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On September 22 2012 03:41 KillingTime wrote: Also, just to be safe: Mods do I need to unvote my previous vote for rethos before voting again? Anyone voting for rethos will be counted as voting for Dandel. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 22 2012 04:16 kushm4sta wrote: Wtf I was actually quite proud of my reasoning and when I wad writting it I was thinking to myself damn this is going to convince everybody Just give your current sober read on the situation then.... and if you end up not thinking he shouldn't be lynched then who should be? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Why do I think he's not scum? because scum are less likely to.get bored. because being bored gives him a reason to lie about testing towns lurker leniency. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 22 2012 03:15 RemedySC wrote: Also this was rethos's first game ever. Before playing mafia, he would be excited to try it out. Maybe he couldn't get into though. Is that the full extent of your read? | ||
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