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thrawn2112
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Atreides-
United States103 Posts
On September 21 2012 13:49 thrawn2112 wrote: Quick question to atreides, nobody else answer please. Do you remember why you mixed up the vote deadline? I'm pretty retarded when it comes to time zones and I mixed up EDT with EST. rethos: his recent posts are a mess but his earlier posts are more townish. On September 19 2012 15:44 rethos wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 14:05 debears wrote: I will be able to post an argument on you and Kush tomorrow, most likely in the morning. In the lurkers, there is one that still has my attention, Rethos. This was his last post. Although he is posting, his posts are not beneficial. Most of the latest ones contain questions. He hasn't directed accusations at anyone. This is just a sample of what he does. Three questions in a row that he did not post an answer for himself. Most of his other posts follow a similar format. He just directs the question at someone. I understand the difference in time zones affecting the amount of posts. However, the quality is poor. He isn't taking a stand on anything. Looks like he is trying to look active without provoking anyone. I actually like that you are attacking me belive it or not. That gives you some town points. But my suspicions on you still stand. I am asking A LOT of questions yes. But i do belive those are all beneficial. Let's go over them on a post by post or even better group by group. First of all i asked questions when SDM and thrawn2112 where the only ones that were getting a discussion going. After all the questioning I posted my opinion on it. The deal has fallen flat since you arrived but I still did not forget it so I asked for a conclusion in my last post because it seems bad to leave loose ends like that. On to the second group of questions. Those are all directed at thrawn2112, your main defender. It's actually in my opinion an interogatory of both you and thrawn2112 and I like first making all things clear before I drop my 2c. Also all these questions are obviously (in my opinion) accusations directed towards you. Every single one can be understood to be "I find [object of said question] suspicious behaviour". The reason they are questions is because I am having a dialoge and not just writing down my thoughts. TL,DR: The reason I pose un-answered questions is because they are all directed questions. Questions that I for one think should be answered by the person I ask. Please keep this discussion going if you are not satisfied with my answer. This one in particular shows that he didn't overreact or panic when put under suspicion. Thrawn believes that rethos left the game because he was outed as mafia...that's a pretty bold and ridiculous claim. rethos' enthusiasm early on has nothing to do with his boredom later on. He was excited to play, but found out that the game wasn't fun for him. Mostly I don't see the mafia motivation for his posts, but I see the boredom motivation for them. Stutters: I had some suspicion on him early on, but dropped it when nobody else felt the same way. What makes me a little more suspicious of him now is how easily he's been able to stay off the radar. In particular, debears and thrawn (two big posters) have not mentioned him at all. His last post: On September 21 2012 08:22 Stutters695 wrote: I brought up the no lynch because Sharrant mentioned he was one vote away from being hammered (I think that's what l1 means) and when I checked the rules post on voting it didn't say anything about a no-vote which is essential to know should we hit mylo and I'd rather not risk noticing it now but not asking until it's relevant since we might not get an answer instantly. I'll be periodically phone posting tonight and back on my pc tomorrow (real time EST). But he's nowhere to be seen. This itself isn't scummy, I know that things happen (even though it's been quite a while since his post...) It does make sense for a mafia member to be called out less then a townie, as his teammates wouldn't say much. His vote on drazak was pretty bandwagonish and his other posts are relatively low-content. Lots of questions and no firm statements. Looking at the previous game he was also slightly lurky there but not as bad as this game. He ended up being a vigilante that game, but I think that the chance of him being blue here is small with jailkeeper / mason in the mix. Remedy: I agree that most of his posts are one-liners and he doesn't explain the reasoning behind his reads enough. I would like to see him make longer and more detailed posts before lynch time today. I don't agree with most of the other arguments against him, I'll get into those soon. (A side note: this game takes waaaaaaaaaay more time and investment then I had originally expected!) | ||
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thrawn2112
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Stutters695
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On September 22 2012 00:22 RemedySC wrote: Okay, too move the conversation towards the lurkers, since they haven't been active d2. My scummiest read is on stutters, mainly because of this post. In this post he mentions three confirmed town. KillingTime I am iffy on, and I'll take a closer look at his posts. I think that if Killing is town though, than this post by Stutters is very scummy. He even goes as far to say that even if Cubu is town he needs to die. Like really? Context son. My vote on Cubu was before the claim and With pretty solid reasoning behind it. Agreeing with the Drazak lynch you might find scummy but the other parts you're accusing me of are nothing more than pretty basic logic before we knew they claimed mason. The Drazak part I addressed more closer to the lynch when he didn't answer my question is why I ended up.voting him. If this is your best read what have you been doing all game | ||
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Stutters695
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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RemedySC
Canada176 Posts
But I wanted see what people thoughts were on Stutters. On September 22 2012 07:30 Stutters695 wrote: I thought I would be on my pc all day but I got a job offer in a different town. I'll try to check in and do some phone posts but I won't be 100% here until Sunday night/Monday during the day. So you won't be around much until after the d2 lynch? This is looking a bit like an out so he doesn't have to contribute much today and can continue lurking. It could be true, but as someone else said( i apologize, i forget who did and im on my phone) this is the second time you posted soon after being called out. | ||
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Atreides-
United States103 Posts
I don't think the association argument is very strong, more of an observation that I wanted to point out and observe how it carries forward. I do have some suspicion on debears / thrawn (I believe that one of the two are likely to be mafia) but this is just my feeling atm and I'll try to elaborate on it. Debears simply mentioned stutters in a list of lurkers. Nothing substantial at all. What I meant by mentioning stutters would be something similar to this: On September 22 2012 01:20 KillingTime wrote: Stutters seems scummy to me, I might support a lynch on him. He has not added anything to the game beyond attacks on kush all of day 1 which he knew would prove nothing and not get taken up for the lynch - he then says he is dropping them for now because there are bigger fish to fry. Now he has dropped off the planet and not posted since. This is when he should be frying that big fish. Stutters, do you still think Kush is scum? Will be back in 2-3 hours | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
1 Remedy's useless vote parked on me d1. Bad town yes, scum no. I don't see the scum motivation behind it, especially since both our bandwagons were town. 2 His comment on my drazak, thrawn, debears scumteam idea. The idea itself was worth nothing.. just something like hmmm here's something to ponder. His comment was similar. It's not like he based any cases on the scumteam idea. Well he doesn't make cases really at all. But yeah I don't consider his comment regarding that scumteam a big tell. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
He gives an excuse for lurking during the next few days, but he also allows himself the possibility of posting (phone posts). ##FOS stutters | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
A lot of the cases he has been trying to bandwagon just make no sense to me, and I know other people feel the same. It's like he finds any instance of bad play and tries to turn it into a bandwagon. Look at these two quotes: This regarding my case against him. You either haven't grasped the logic of a lot of my cases (specifically the remedy which till now you'e ignored my request for you to give a read on him) or you're scum. (The only case I didn't understand was the atreides one. Because it was convoluted as fuck.) Are you still high or are you scum? These two quotes, the "or are you scum" quotes I would expect from an aggressive newb, but thrawn's meta is none of those things. @thrawn what is the purpose of these questions? Are they jokes or what? Here is my original case against him with his reply then my reply to his reply. The only feedback I got was from jacob who accused me because I accused thrawn. He didn't even mention the case itself. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 07:50 Atreides- wrote: @thrawn: It's stutters right now but I'm waiting to see his reply to everything that has been going on. And yeah agree with your above comment, I had that typed up but I take so long to post you beat me to it. I don't think the association argument is very strong, more of an observation that I wanted to point out and observe how it carries forward. I do have some suspicion on debears / thrawn (I believe that one of the two are likely to be mafia) but this is just my feeling atm and I'll try to elaborate on it. Debears simply mentioned stutters in a list of lurkers. Nothing substantial at all. What I meant by mentioning stutters would be something similar to this: Will be back in 2-3 hours It's not that I don't acknowledge that stutters has been lurking. It's just that its useless to spread my focus on you, Remedy, Rethos, KillingTime, and Stutters. I've mainly targeted you and KillingTime lately, and then Rethos when his whole fiasco came up. Right now, after reading over Killing's filter, it seems like he is becoming more active. His posts are a little better. One thing I do want to give Killing credit for + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 16:15 KillingTime wrote: I obviously know that lynching me would have been a mislynch aswell. For me, I left the thread with 2 votes on debears, and several people who had previously felt that he looked scummy... and instead drazak got lynched. Herp derp - before I think too much about the endgame hour though I think we need to sort out this cubu/sharrant mason thing asap given that some are still not convinced. Obviously Cubu is not going to help. Is it allowed to ask Sharrant to post a link to the mason quicktopic to prove his claim? I am asking the mods first because I feel like it might not be, but it wasn't clear in the rules (it says you can post your role pm and the sample role pm makes no mention of not being able to post the quicktopic link to the thread if you choose) His idea about the qt helped back up sharrant's claim big time and potentially saved the most likely mason. He is coming off less scummy than before. Right now though, I'd say my biggest scumread is Rethos and you, Atreides are also up there. You, Atreides have failed to address posts that wanted to here more of your side of your earlier comments after the lynch. + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 01:35 debears wrote: @sharrant The evidence backing the mason claim is good, as pointed out by thrawn and sonic, and with sharky's confirm. I stated early in the morning that I would not be there for the lynch due to practice (and I play for a D1 baseball team, I don't really have a choice for scheduling. I also stated that I had classes until 5 (the last one was a physics lab in which I have to be active). I had to do a quick in and out because I was in a rush and there was a lot to read. @Atreides Unfortunately, there were a lot of us absent at the time of the lynch. One person does stand out from the crowd of us absentees, Atreides + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 11:55 Atreides- wrote: In defense of Sharrant - He's in a similar position to debears - bad decisions do not necessarily mean scum. Think about it - what could a mafia hope to gain by this? Getting a lynch is far too ambitious, and a role claim isn't worth getting so much attention to yourself. Mafia wouldn't want to aggressively pursue targets, they want to passively follow the crowd. Sharrant rode hard on debears, and has shown that he's willing to use his vote freely. I think that trying to get a role claim is a bad idea (debears will claim vanilla town no matter what role he is, this tells us nothing) but I don't see what's scummy about that. He's actively scumhunting, and both of his ideas (kush being SK, pressuring on debears) are original. Someone mentioned the possibility of debears+thrawn being masons, which is something I didn't think of. The bromance between the two is pretty apparent since the beginning. Both have said that they believe the other is town, and they've used FOS (against sonic) and vote (against Sharrant) in unison. Thoughts? I don't see a strong case for both debears and Sharrant right now. I'd be more inclined to vote for KillingTime if anything. At that point, there wasn't anything concrete, so your judgement passed. Now, for his next post related to sharrant + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 06:41 Atreides- wrote: Oh man, what an interesting situation. Some possible outcomes: 1) We decide to lynch Sharrant, he then outs the other mason. Pretty bad outcome as the mason will simply die. 2) Sharrant outs a mason, he confirms, and we lynch cubu or killing. At this point it's very unlikely for both Sharrant and his ally to be mafia, and more likely for both to be masons. Relatively strong outcome. 3) We lynch Sharrant without him revealing the mason. If he was bluffing and flips red, this is a huge win, but it's a stretch. If he flips mason, we're in trouble. 4) Sharrant doesn't reveal the mason and we lynch cubu or killing. This seems like rolling the dice, as we wouldn't have any idea if Sharrant is lying or not, and it's very possible for us to lynch a townie on top of that. I'm leaning towards 2) as an option right now unless something changes. From the description it sounds like masons come in pairs, and it'd be extremely unlikely for there to be more than 2 masons in any case. If I'm wrong on any of the game mechanics here please correct me. I feel that both Killing and Stutters are slightly scummy/lurky but cubu sounds like a strong vote as well. I was hoping for him to post by now. ##unvote ##vote cubu You fail to mention any of the stuff between that and the mason claim. Sharrant had 6 votes, and had said things that didn't make any sense until the claim. Next, you don't post anything until 1 minute after the deadline, citing the preference for a no lynch. + Show Spoiler + Atreides- United States. September 20 2012 09:16. Posts 72 PM Profile Quote # filter On September 20 2012 09:09 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Show nested quote + What is this? You don't post ANYTHINBG productive for 48 hours and then you conveniently drop by 1 minutes after deadline to chime in you think drazak is a mislynch. Is this hunting for cheap townie points before drazak is flipping green? I wasn't around after my last post, and I mixed up the voting deadline by an hour (thought it would be an hour from now, my bad). Your last sentence is a pretty moot point since it'd look equally bad for me if he flipped red. I find it odd that you happen to just "mix up the deadline" and yet check and post at 9:01 about the no lynch even though the thread was "blowing up". That means you must have been looking at the thread. And that means you must have known about the deadline's correct time. + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 15:10 Atreides- wrote: I didn't actually know about the no-lynch until the mod posted about it. If I had, I would've suggested it quite a while ago. I'm assuming that voting for a no-lynch works the same way as voting for a lynch, in that we just need a majority of votes (and not every vote like you said). Maybe I'm wrong on this. There weren't any exceptionally strong arguments against killer / drazak. The consensus was "eh, he's kinda scummy, and kinda lurking, and he's kinda the best option, let's kill him and see what happens". The problem with choosing between killer and drazak is that, like I meant earlier, mafia has a lot of power here. If killer turns out to be mafia, his team can go for a drazak vote and the bandwagon easily follows because nobody has strong feelings one way or the other. The time constraint and confusion was really perfect for something like this. So yeah, as a principle I'd support no-lynching (on day one only) versus doing a half-assed lynch on someone else. I'm mostly waiting for Cubu / his replacement to comment about the mason thing, as that's the key factor to Sharrant's innocence. When he made the claim he had no idea whether or not Cubu would end up posting and voting, which makes lying an amazingly ballsy play. Will be around again tomorrow afternoon. Yet again, you cite that there weren't any strong cases again. You are indecisive. You were purposely lurking at lynch deadline. Do you really expect every lynch to be easy, with laid out proof and someone screaming out "I'm mafia"?...c'mon man You went awol for quite a while, and now that someone else is under heat you pop up in the thread | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 22 2012 08:36 kushm4sta wrote: Look at these two quotes: This regarding my case against him. (The only case I didn't understand was the atreides one. Because it was convoluted as fuck.) These two quotes, the "or are you scum" quotes I would expect from an aggressive newb, but thrawn's meta is none of those things. @thrawn what is the purpose of these questions? Are they jokes or what? The last quote is sorta joking but they're both serious opinions/questions. Your ability to follow my logic this game has been even worse than in our previous games so either you're somehow just failing to understand things I type or you're scum and trying to downplay them. You even came into the thread talking how baked you were and you made a bunch of confusing/contradictory posts about the boredom claim of rethos. Like they were so contradictory/confusing I thought you either still must be high or you're scum trying to create confusion. So yeah... that's why I keep asking if you're confused about my posts/high. (Perhaps you are right and my cases have just made no sense at all but if that's true then I'm concerned for my mental health.) The only other option is that you're trying to discredit my cases by saying they don't make sense and that you're scum. No offense but honestly I believe the former to be true and for some reason you're being more dense this game than usual.... maybe some breakdown in communication between us has occurred? Honestly you are the hardest person in the thread to reason with because you act like an asshole whenever people are suspicious of you or disagree with you. Not just this game but all of them. I've somewhat responded in kind this game because it's gotten annoying so how about we just leave emotions out of it from now on? Basically, the less angry/negative emotions you put into your posts, the better for everyone involved. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
I couldn't resist this: On September 21 2012 22:21 Dandel Ion wrote: I only casually followed this thread on the side, so I'mma have a ton of readings to do. deBear with me, like a true comfort woman debears a child. Now for the serious part. Your play has come off weird at the start. + Show Spoiler + Dandel Ion Austria. September 21 2012 22:57. Posts 1813 PM Profile Quote # filter Yeah, I know rethos looked a bit scummy, but I do think that prior to the whole "I don't give a shit h4h4h4h4"-debacle, he was 100% following the bad-newbie-town semi-lurker path. What part of the debacle are you talking about? Site a specific post please so I know where your reference post begins. Also, some LOGIC about the roleblock and nightkill to start things off: On September 21 2012 13:10 thrawn2112 wrote: Show nested quote + If the reasoning behind that is that he is trying to save his strongest town read then it would have gone to either of the 2 confirmed masons. Anyway there are tons of possible explanations of the roleblock and no reason to believe any of more than any other so I'd rather not speculate about it. SDM probably roleblocked you. In fact, IF you have been roleblocked, it was SDM. Reasoning: It was redundant for him to roleblock one of the masons. You all treat the masons as confirmed town, but they really are not. As long as none of them flip, there will remain some doubt. And it could possibly surface at a very bad time for town. It would be incredibly stupid for scum to shoot one mason, and leave the other in the game. During Night 1, that is. I wouldn't exactly call it stupid. Having 2 masons who can privately communicate in the game are more powerful than you think. For instance, although Sharky is not posting much, it is possible him and Sharant are building up a huge case on their own. That is also most likely why SDM would have protected them if he did. Now the thing is, scum got lucky and hit the jailkeeper, which means they could possibly kill Sharrant and Sharky during the next 2 nightphases. In another post I'd also be down for lynching Stutters, Killing or Atreides, but all of them are mostly policy about lurking/non-conributing, and less about actual scumreads. I do think, however, that getting rid of lurkers one way or the other is absolutely necessary looking towards MYLO/LYLO. If there's only 1 or 2 lurkers, that could be easily solved with a vig shot, but we have 3 (4 counting the late rethos), and possibly no Vig at all. Which sucks. I absolutely hate when people mention vig shots, especially when it comes to lurkers early game. Xatalos did last game and he ended up a mafia. When I was reading over the game, Xatalos' post screamed out mafia, and yours here is similar. It gives me the feeling that you are saying "I'm mafia. Please shot 'X' lurker so that I don't have to worry about you mr. vigilante. We can lynch the lurkers. Mafia in the mid and late game, when they are active, can be deadly and sometimes can't be lynched. Then, about remedy Now, I don’t know if his post between that was his “better argument”, but it doesn’t look like it to me (For reference:+ Show Spoiler +) He keeps promising posts/activity, but you should get what I'm saying by now. Just read through his filter, it's not a long read. But that’s just side notes. The real issue I have with him is how he “scumhunts”. He just quotes shit and then slaps a one/twoliner or some random questions onto it. The funny thing is that Rethos did that same thing throughout d1 when I called him out for it. I am assuming you at the least read through your previous identity's filter to know what he said. If not, please look at my argument against him. + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 14:05 debears wrote: I will be able to post an argument on you and Kush tomorrow, most likely in the morning. In the lurkers, there is one that still has my attention, Rethos. This was his last post. Although he is posting, his posts are not beneficial. Most of the latest ones contain questions. He hasn't directed accusations at anyone. This is just a sample of what he does. Three questions in a row that he did not post an answer for himself. Most of his other posts follow a similar format. He just directs the question at someone. I understand the difference in time zones affecting the amount of posts. However, the quality is poor. He isn't taking a stand on anything. Looks like he is trying to look active without provoking anyone. Then, this post + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 03:43 Dandel Ion wrote: Also, please don't just vote me and go brainafk. Even if I did replace a scum (which I did not blablabla), there's still more scum in this and just going "yep lynch this guy, see you in two days" will not help. Just saying. If you want to lynch rethos (aka me), go on ahead, but don't be idiots about it. That's all I will say about the whole rethos matter. I don't like how you are just dismissing the case against Rethos/you. There are clear scumtells in his writing that we can't ignore. And then your next two posts set off two alarms in my head. + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 05:56 Dandel Ion wrote: What do you think about Remedy? I wanna talk about Remedy so bad You mention sharky lurking hard in this post (and later ones also), although right before you state that you are 99% sure he is town. Although he may be lurking, he may be privately working with sharrant to catch up. Also, why should we put pressure on a (99% according to you) townie for the sake of making him post? We are pressuring people to get information and correct reads. + Show Spoiler + But I know you were the only one that replied to the Remedy case. I just want other people to comment on it too. Or on somebody else they think is scummy. Doesn't matter at this point. This thread has too much pointless bickering, and next to no scumhunting. And no, saying "we lynch rethos ggyo, vote" is not scumhunting. Yet again, same point I've shown from previous posts. You have zoomed in on Remedy as desperation to take the pressure off yourself. You cannot just dismiss the case against rethos/you. You came into the game with immense pressure on you and your response is sweep it under the rug. Rethos had a short filter. Most of the case against him was made after the lynch, which you definitely should have read first thing. You are also making weird statements back and forth on the masons, which are pretty clear by now. Go find the couple of hours before the lynch if you must read it in depth. And finally, the vig shot post...ew. At this point, you have added to the scumminess of rethos in my eyes | ||
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kushm4sta
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I haven't come into the thread baked saying random shit today.... and I'm not the only one who thinks your insistence on rethos' guilt is crazy. | ||
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debears
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debears
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read my post with an added case on Dandel please and give me your thoughts on why his guilt is "crazy" | ||
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I won't be here for the 2 hours up to and for a while after the lynch , unless my coach changes his mind. I will post what I can in the morning and lunch.
