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@debears the thing is my read on dandel is definitely colored by my read on rethos.
I do agree with a lot of your post though.
He says rethos follows the bad townie mold, but so does remedy in almost exactly the same way.
I think their bad scum hunting is pretty much a null tell on both of them though.
It makes sense that a first time player would be bad at scum hunting.
He does dismiss the case against rethos, and just basically says well he looked town before that part, then he looked wtf. MOVING ON. I don't know exactly why dandel doesn't think it's worth his time to defend himself. Maybe he feels like his opinion doesn't hold much value on the matter because it's obviously biased.
But I also see his point of view that we were in an argument where the same things were being repeated again and again and he didn't think it was productive.
Not sure about the vig shot. Is it a bad strategy to save town a lynch by killing a lurker? I haven't really thought but i think it could be a good idea. What if the vig waits till the end to use it but he is killed then it goes to waste? I don't think mentioning that is scummy.
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We're over halfway into D2 so it's time to start voting or at least start making cases for strongest reads.
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Stutters. I don't have a case against him really since he's been so afk. It's mostly just what other people have said and the timing on his returns from afk. And his most recent post about probably being afk but possibly not.
I am not dead set in this. However, I'm not fucking voting for dandel.
##vote stutters
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@kush
Not sure about the vig shot. Is it a bad strategy to save town a lynch by killing a lurker? I haven't really thought but i think it could be a good idea. What if the vig waits till the end to use it but he is killed then it goes to waste? I don't think mentioning that is scummy.
My main point in that is that lurkers will have a harder time defending themselves from a lynch than an active mafia (assuming that there aren't major scumslips). Right now, I don't see an active with strong evidence. There are signs. The lurkers have had freedom for a little too long.
And for the vig scenario, that is his feel on the situation. It's pointless debating it because its not exactly predictable. A lynch and a shot are equal in value in terms of going after lurkers (i don't know if you'll get what I mean here). However, in terms of going after an active mafia, I feel the vig shot carries more power than a lynch the later the game goes. That is all I want to say on that topic because discussing what roles can do in depth is not something I like.
It screamed at me from Xatalos, and it's screaming at me from him
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Ok I woke, up.
On September 22 2012 00:43 kushm4sta wrote:/Flame on + Show Spoiler +We were town buds last game but this game I don't respect you at all. You are mostly afk basically for the first day. You make posts but they have a sum total of 0 content. You circumlocute, you say some obvious shit. The only thing that is keeping me from suspecting you is the fact that you also made no sense last game. I don't know maybe you should stop playing for a while until you learn the english language?
/Flame off
Ouch... you really do take OMGUS to a new level. I am going to wait a minute so I don’t do the same.
Yes we were town buddies last game, this is part of the reason I thought you were just acting like your normal self at the start. But you are acting like your normal self + annoyed and angry. You mentioned a test before did it really go that badly? Yes I was mostly afk by my standards, but my standards were still posting more than most people while busy with assignments. Why would I try to post as much as I can? If I were mafia I would have remained low key. Also part of the reason I messed up was because I am committed to this game. Even when I was completely exhausted(and frustrated) I make several posts because I wanted to be in this game (although I was tired to the point where I was miss reading stuff) That tired as mafia I would never post in this thread it would be insane.
I am going to ignore the part about making no sense last game and needing to learn English as that will only get me angry. My point is you seem to be far more emotional and frustrated without reason... Thrawn might be scum, but the fact is you were pushing on someone who also had the potential to be the best poster (with our two confirmed town afk) However incase you are town it would be detrimental to lose you (same with thrawn) so I will move onto the lurkers.
I have to admit Thawns logic isn’t completely easy to follow sometimes and his case on atreides did seem odd. But I will update my thoughts on the Daniel Ion case Rethos was scummy before he lied scummier after lying and almost impossible to read after he is gone...
One thing I will say is Thrawn and kush are going in circles... Daniel points this out however at the same time he tries to get the focus off that onto his remedy case.
On September 22 2012 06:15 Dandel Ion wrote:
This isn't constructive. Talk about something else pls.
Like my Remedy case.
I like my Remedy case.
Who else likes my Remedy case?
Who doesn't like my Remedy case?
Pls include reasons.
While I will talk about this it is just something that stood out. I could have confirmation bias though. Also while with reason he goes on Remedy that was also the biggest bandwagon before he was underfire.
However onto remedy. Yes he sheeps onto bad plans especially ones that would get multiple town killed. He also wasn’t around in a crucial time and comes in 9 min late(I am paraphrasing some of what thrawn wrote) However one hole I found in his case so far is
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On September 21 2012 09:42 RemedySC wrote:
Okay, I don't think mafia got lucky in killing a blue.
Looks like other than the Sharrant read, Sonic's biggest read was Atreides-, Debears, and Killing.
All three have had good arguments made against them. Possibly they they thought Sonic might have more info.
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Remedy this post sets off my scum alarms. I son't have any evidence (and neither do you) why mafia would have killed sonic other than that he was really townish and I don't think anyone suspected him. So when you start talking about how they might have killed him because of his reads it just makes me think there's some manipulation going on behind his nightkill and your post.
Now you seemed to miss this
On September 21 2012 09:44 RemedySC wrote:
EBWOP - I mean I think Mafia got lucky that Sonic was a blue.
Still suspicious but not as suspicious, also here
On September 21 2012 13:01 RemedySC wrote:
You know, I could see sonic role blocking you. His power also allows him to save someone, if his strongest town read was you, then he would use it on you.
He could have been trying to make thrawn look less like town, because if mafia did block him (and he didn’t lie about it) then thrawn is more likely to be town.
On September 21 2012 14:43 RemedySC wrote:Just re-read this post and want to address it. Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 06:09 thrawn2112 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 21 2012 05:57 kushm4sta wrote:
Just read through remedy's filter. Don't see how this guy can be anybody's "biggest read."
Your two main arguments against him.
1 He sheeped on my retarded scumteam notion.
I don't like this read because it seems like the case here is stupidity = scum. Not everyone is as enlightened as you about the uselessness of association cases. Are they bad? Yes I agree with that but I don't think making them is a scumtell.
2 His useless vote for me.
I don't see the scum motivation in this, since both our bandwagons were town. He is not following the town plan of consolidating our bandwagon, but we never made that plan concrete really.
He didn't believe in the sharrant case. He has been consistently against lynching lurkers, so that's why he wouldn't vote for cubu.
The scumteam thing is not about stupidity = scum, it's about him going along with a a dumb idea that will end up lynching at least 2 confirmed town. I acknowledged an idea, that is all. Nothing ever came of it afterwards.
He draws attention to an idea but nothing happens with it (because no town jumps on?)
In other words I do think regent looks scummy. So does now Daniel ion though. Who looks worse? Rethos made a very impressive slip though, but should we give Daniel the time for him to convince him he is town?
However now I move onto stutters.
Twice consistently he comes in after someone calls him out. Three posts in what 48 hours? I have posted cases about him in the past for not lurking when he said he had time ect… and he sheeps onto drazak along with most people though. It’s a pity it’s harder to find stuff with him because he has lurked so much.
I know there is something else I was going to say but I forgot…
On September 22 2012 04:00 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 03:49 kushm4sta wrote:
Ok its wrong to say "mafia don't get bored" because that is an absolute. I would rather say, in my current sober state, that it is much less likely for scum to get bored.
Is there a chance he is scum? I doubt it but of course there is a chance.
I'm saying that I think bored mafia is more likely than mafia that uses faked boredom into quitting the game as a scum strategy. Lol in my first mafia game as town I got really baked and then I lurked in the thread taking notes and making theories. I took a nap, woke up and proceeded to make the mother of all scummy-sounding posting sprees. So if you're town then my advice is: don't play this game high, don't even read the thread. So you believe the boredom claim no matter if he is town or scum right? Is there a reason for you doubting he's scum or is it just a gut feeling?
Yeah don’t get baked, don’t work on 4 hours sleep, and don’t get drunk. *goes to get drunk* 
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EBWOP "I have posted cases about him in the past for not lurking when he said he had time ect"
Should read "for lurking when he said he had time"
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My vote is staying on rethos because I just don't see how I can trust someone who lies several times and then admits to the lies and then says something just about equally unbelievable for his final excuse.
I could switch to remedy. I've been thinking over the fact that my #1 scumread (rethos) is most suspicious of my #2 (remedy) scumread but I don't really know what to make of it, at least until 1 of them flips.
And kush I don't think stutters would be a bad choice (lurker policy in effect here) but don't see myself voting for him unless the vote count ends up being super spread out among lots of candidates or something similarly controversial. My stutters vote would be because of the post timing I pointed out and because of lurker policy. However you yourself said your case against him was weak, I'm assuming at some point you're going to try and make a vote based on a stronger case? Lurker policy has its place but I don't see why it should be put into effect with so much time left before deadline.
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On September 22 2012 11:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I could switch to remedy. I've been thinking over the fact that my #1 scumread (rethos) is most suspicious of my #2 (remedy) scumread but I don't really know what to make of it, at least until 1 of them flips.
Yeah I just pointed this out 
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On September 22 2012 11:13 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 11:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I could switch to remedy. I've been thinking over the fact that my #1 scumread (rethos) is most suspicious of my #2 (remedy) scumread but I don't really know what to make of it, at least until 1 of them flips.
Yeah I just pointed this out
uh... noted? lol
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I actually pointed it out first thus i win
On September 22 2012 11:15 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 11:13 JacobStrangelove wrote:On September 22 2012 11:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I could switch to remedy. I've been thinking over the fact that my #1 scumread (rethos) is most suspicious of my #2 (remedy) scumread but I don't really know what to make of it, at least until 1 of them flips.
Yeah I just pointed this out uh... noted? lol
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there's no one else good to vote for... Maybe jacob after that last post. But I think im alone in suspecting him. Also it's going to look very omgus. I will try to stick to logic when I make my rebuttal though.
Also I don't want to vote for you because I suspect you but I still think there's a good chance you might be town and to lose a town thrawn at this point would be really bad. I want to be more sure of your alignment before I vote for you.
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Oh that is what I was going to say... lol just an amusing comment that's all.
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@jacob regent is remedy right?
l2english please
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I post in a hurry yes... not dyslexia but adhd.
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On September 22 2012 09:10 debears wrote:@Atreides + Show Spoiler +On September 22 2012 07:50 Atreides- wrote:@thrawn: It's stutters right now but I'm waiting to see his reply to everything that has been going on. And yeah agree with your above comment, I had that typed up but I take so long to post you beat me to it. I don't think the association argument is very strong, more of an observation that I wanted to point out and observe how it carries forward. I do have some suspicion on debears / thrawn (I believe that one of the two are likely to be mafia) but this is just my feeling atm and I'll try to elaborate on it. Debears simply mentioned stutters in a list of lurkers. Nothing substantial at all. What I meant by mentioning stutters would be something similar to this: Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:20 KillingTime wrote:
Stutters seems scummy to me, I might support a lynch on him. He has not added anything to the game beyond attacks on kush all of day 1 which he knew would prove nothing and not get taken up for the lynch - he then says he is dropping them for now because there are bigger fish to fry. Now he has dropped off the planet and not posted since. This is when he should be frying that big fish. Stutters, do you still think Kush is scum?
Will be back in 2-3 hours It's not that I don't acknowledge that stutters has been lurking. It's just that its useless to spread my focus on you, Remedy, Rethos, KillingTime, and Stutters. I've mainly targeted you and KillingTime lately, and then Rethos when his whole fiasco came up. Right now, after reading over Killing's filter, it seems like he is becoming more active. His posts are a little better. One thing I do want to give Killing credit for + Show Spoiler +On September 20 2012 16:15 KillingTime wrote:
I obviously know that lynching me would have been a mislynch aswell. For me, I left the thread with 2 votes on debears, and several people who had previously felt that he looked scummy... and instead drazak got lynched. Herp derp - before I think too much about the endgame hour though I think we need to sort out this cubu/sharrant mason thing asap given that some are still not convinced. Obviously Cubu is not going to help.
Is it allowed to ask Sharrant to post a link to the mason quicktopic to prove his claim?
I am asking the mods first because I feel like it might not be, but it wasn't clear in the rules (it says you can post your role pm and the sample role pm makes no mention of not being able to post the quicktopic link to the thread if you choose) His idea about the qt helped back up sharrant's claim big time and potentially saved the most likely mason. He is coming off less scummy than before. Right now though, I'd say my biggest scumread is Rethos and you, Atreides are also up there. You, Atreides have failed to address posts that wanted to here more of your side of your earlier comments after the lynch. + Show Spoiler +On September 21 2012 01:35 debears wrote:@sharrant The evidence backing the mason claim is good, as pointed out by thrawn and sonic, and with sharky's confirm. Show nested quote +Debears is still a slightly scummy read from me, last nights incident didn't really help my read on him. He wasn't particularly involved aside from in a swing in, swing out post. SDM, and Thrawn I have very strong reads on from that, you both easily could have pushed a bandwagon on me very hard, and it likely would have stuck. So neither of you strike me as red because you had the perfect opportunity to lynch a fairly active person claiming mason, and both dumped it. I stated early in the morning that I would not be there for the lynch due to practice (and I play for a D1 baseball team, I don't really have a choice for scheduling. I also stated that I had classes until 5 (the last one was a physics lab in which I have to be active). Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 14:15 debears wrote:oh and heads up. Besides classes through 5, I have practice at 6 PM CST.  I won't be here for the 2 hours up to and for a while after the lynch , unless my coach changes his mind. I will post what I can in the morning and lunch. I had to do a quick in and out because I was in a rush and there was a lot to read. @Atreides Unfortunately, there were a lot of us absent at the time of the lynch. One person does stand out from the crowd of us absentees, Atreides + Show Spoiler +On September 19 2012 11:55 Atreides- wrote:
In defense of Sharrant -
He's in a similar position to debears - bad decisions do not necessarily mean scum. Think about it - what could a mafia hope to gain by this? Getting a lynch is far too ambitious, and a role claim isn't worth getting so much attention to yourself.
Mafia wouldn't want to aggressively pursue targets, they want to passively follow the crowd. Sharrant rode hard on debears, and has shown that he's willing to use his vote freely. I think that trying to get a role claim is a bad idea (debears will claim vanilla town no matter what role he is, this tells us nothing) but I don't see what's scummy about that. He's actively scumhunting, and both of his ideas (kush being SK, pressuring on debears) are original.
Someone mentioned the possibility of debears+thrawn being masons, which is something I didn't think of. The bromance between the two is pretty apparent since the beginning. Both have said that they believe the other is town, and they've used FOS (against sonic) and vote (against Sharrant) in unison. Thoughts?
I don't see a strong case for both debears and Sharrant right now. I'd be more inclined to vote for KillingTime if anything. At that point, there wasn't anything concrete, so your judgement passed. Now, for his next post related to sharrant + Show Spoiler +On September 20 2012 06:41 Atreides- wrote:
Oh man, what an interesting situation. Some possible outcomes:
1) We decide to lynch Sharrant, he then outs the other mason. Pretty bad outcome as the mason will simply die.
2) Sharrant outs a mason, he confirms, and we lynch cubu or killing. At this point it's very unlikely for both Sharrant and his ally to be mafia, and more likely for both to be masons. Relatively strong outcome.
3) We lynch Sharrant without him revealing the mason. If he was bluffing and flips red, this is a huge win, but it's a stretch. If he flips mason, we're in trouble.
4) Sharrant doesn't reveal the mason and we lynch cubu or killing. This seems like rolling the dice, as we wouldn't have any idea if Sharrant is lying or not, and it's very possible for us to lynch a townie on top of that.
I'm leaning towards 2) as an option right now unless something changes.
From the description it sounds like masons come in pairs, and it'd be extremely unlikely for there to be more than 2 masons in any case. If I'm wrong on any of the game mechanics here please correct me.
I feel that both Killing and Stutters are slightly scummy/lurky but cubu sounds like a strong vote as well. I was hoping for him to post by now.
##unvote
##vote cubu You fail to mention any of the stuff between that and the mason claim. Sharrant had 6 votes, and had said things that didn't make any sense until the claim. Next, you don't post anything until 1 minute after the deadline, citing the preference for a no lynch. + Show Spoiler + Atreides- United States. September 20 2012 09:16. Posts 72 PM Profile Quote #
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On September 20 2012 09:09 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
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What is this? You don't post ANYTHINBG productive for 48 hours and then you conveniently drop by 1 minutes after deadline to chime in you think drazak is a mislynch. Is this hunting for cheap townie points before drazak is flipping green?
I wasn't around after my last post, and I mixed up the voting deadline by an hour (thought it would be an hour from now, my bad). Your last sentence is a pretty moot point since it'd look equally bad for me if he flipped red. I find it odd that you happen to just "mix up the deadline" and yet check and post at 9:01 about the no lynch even though the thread was "blowing up". That means you must have been looking at the thread. And that means you must have known about the deadline's correct time. + Show Spoiler +On September 20 2012 15:10 Atreides- wrote:
I didn't actually know about the no-lynch until the mod posted about it. If I had, I would've suggested it quite a while ago. I'm assuming that voting for a no-lynch works the same way as voting for a lynch, in that we just need a majority of votes (and not every vote like you said). Maybe I'm wrong on this.
There weren't any exceptionally strong arguments against killer / drazak. The consensus was "eh, he's kinda scummy, and kinda lurking, and he's kinda the best option, let's kill him and see what happens". The problem with choosing between killer and drazak is that, like I meant earlier, mafia has a lot of power here. If killer turns out to be mafia, his team can go for a drazak vote and the bandwagon easily follows because nobody has strong feelings one way or the other. The time constraint and confusion was really perfect for something like this.
So yeah, as a principle I'd support no-lynching (on day one only) versus doing a half-assed lynch on someone else.
I'm mostly waiting for Cubu / his replacement to comment about the mason thing, as that's the key factor to Sharrant's innocence. When he made the claim he had no idea whether or not Cubu would end up posting and voting, which makes lying an amazingly ballsy play.
Will be around again tomorrow afternoon.
Yet again, you cite that there weren't any strong cases again. You are indecisive. You were purposely lurking at lynch deadline. Show nested quote +The time constraint and confusion was really perfect for something like this. Do you really expect every lynch to be easy, with laid out proof and someone screaming out "I'm mafia"?...c'mon man You went awol for quite a while, and now that someone else is under heat you pop up in the thread
Your only argument has to do with my post right after the deadline. I addressed that here:
On September 21 2012 11:01 Atreides- wrote:
I had meant to post this afternoon but internet went out.. posting from my phone for now.
After the post where I voted cubu I went to a school event with the intention of coming back an hour before lynch. I come back to find that lynch time is almost here and start skimming the recent posts. I knew it was too late to do analysis and impact the lynch in any way, and ended up posting that one liner.
If I was mafia and lurking the whole time, I would have posted a while earlier (or not at all), and I wouldve at least changed my vote ffs. I guess you could make the argument that I faked being afk to earn some "town cred" but that's a stretch because there's little to gain from that and there were so many easy plays available.
Now I see why my 2nd post after lynch was kinda bad mistake. It was hasty and based on the fact that drazak got so many votes so fast.
Why do you think I made that post?
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Atreides the timezone explanation is not the one I was looking for that would set aside my doubts about your coming into the thread right as the deadline happened but it's believable. Also, the fact that marv posted about the no-lynch idea right after you posted your last post before deadline makes me accept that your no-lynch comment probably wasn't some sort of lie that you made up on the spot and had no prior knowledge of. The one thing that I'm stuck on is why you would think a no lynch would be better than lynching killing who you had previously said was an acceptable lynch. But anyways those were the main points of my N1 case against you. Apart from those points you've said some questionable things but quality =/= indication of alignment especially in a newbie game so you're down to a null-read. Wanna see you post more as that improves the quality of the read I can make on you.
I don't think atreides should be a lynch candidate. The stuff I just posted is enough for me to not have a scumread on him anymore. He has been lurking but if we have to go for a lurker stutters is a much better choice.
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On September 22 2012 11:02 JacobStrangelove wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ok I woke, up. On September 22 2012 00:43 kushm4sta wrote:/Flame on + Show Spoiler +We were town buds last game but this game I don't respect you at all. You are mostly afk basically for the first day. You make posts but they have a sum total of 0 content. You circumlocute, you say some obvious shit. The only thing that is keeping me from suspecting you is the fact that you also made no sense last game. I don't know maybe you should stop playing for a while until you learn the english language?
/Flame off Ouch... you really do take OMGUS to a new level. I am going to wait a minute so I don’t do the same. Yes we were town buddies last game, this is part of the reason I thought you were just acting like your normal self at the start. But you are acting like your normal self + annoyed and angry. You mentioned a test before did it really go that badly? Yes I was mostly afk by my standards, but my standards were still posting more than most people while busy with assignments. Why would I try to post as much as I can? If I were mafia I would have remained low key. Also part of the reason I messed up was because I am committed to this game. Even when I was completely exhausted(and frustrated) I make several posts because I wanted to be in this game (although I was tired to the point where I was miss reading stuff) That tired as mafia I would never post in this thread it would be insane. I am going to ignore the part about making no sense last game and needing to learn English as that will only get me angry. My point is you seem to be far more emotional and frustrated without reason... Thrawn might be scum, but the fact is you were pushing on someone who also had the potential to be the best poster (with our two confirmed town afk) However incase you are town it would be detrimental to lose you (same with thrawn) so I will move onto the lurkers. I have to admit Thawns logic isn’t completely easy to follow sometimes and his case on atreides did seem odd. But I will update my thoughts on the Daniel Ion case Rethos was scummy before he lied scummier after lying and almost impossible to read after he is gone... One thing I will say is Thrawn and kush are going in circles... Daniel points this out however at the same time he tries to get the focus off that onto his remedy case. On September 22 2012 06:15 Dandel Ion wrote:
This isn't constructive. Talk about something else pls.
Like my Remedy case.
I like my Remedy case.
Who else likes my Remedy case?
Who doesn't like my Remedy case?
Pls include reasons.
While I will talk about this it is just something that stood out. I could have confirmation bias though. Also while with reason he goes on Remedy that was also the biggest bandwagon before he was underfire. However onto remedy. Yes he sheeps onto bad plans especially ones that would get multiple town killed. He also wasn’t around in a crucial time and comes in 9 min late(I am paraphrasing some of what thrawn wrote) However one hole I found in his case so far is
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On September 21 2012 09:42 RemedySC wrote:
Okay, I don't think mafia got lucky in killing a blue.
Looks like other than the Sharrant read, Sonic's biggest read was Atreides-, Debears, and Killing.
All three have had good arguments made against them. Possibly they they thought Sonic might have more info.
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Remedy this post sets off my scum alarms. I son't have any evidence (and neither do you) why mafia would have killed sonic other than that he was really townish and I don't think anyone suspected him. So when you start talking about how they might have killed him because of his reads it just makes me think there's some manipulation going on behind his nightkill and your post.
Now you seemed to miss this On September 21 2012 09:44 RemedySC wrote:
EBWOP - I mean I think Mafia got lucky that Sonic was a blue. Still suspicious but not as suspicious, also here On September 21 2012 13:01 RemedySC wrote:
You know, I could see sonic role blocking you. His power also allows him to save someone, if his strongest town read was you, then he would use it on you. He could have been trying to make thrawn look less like town, because if mafia did block him (and he didn’t lie about it) then thrawn is more likely to be town. On September 21 2012 14:43 RemedySC wrote:Just re-read this post and want to address it. Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 06:09 thrawn2112 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 21 2012 05:57 kushm4sta wrote:
Just read through remedy's filter. Don't see how this guy can be anybody's "biggest read."
Your two main arguments against him.
1 He sheeped on my retarded scumteam notion.
I don't like this read because it seems like the case here is stupidity = scum. Not everyone is as enlightened as you about the uselessness of association cases. Are they bad? Yes I agree with that but I don't think making them is a scumtell.
2 His useless vote for me.
I don't see the scum motivation in this, since both our bandwagons were town. He is not following the town plan of consolidating our bandwagon, but we never made that plan concrete really.
He didn't believe in the sharrant case. He has been consistently against lynching lurkers, so that's why he wouldn't vote for cubu.
The scumteam thing is not about stupidity = scum, it's about him going along with a a dumb idea that will end up lynching at least 2 confirmed town. I acknowledged an idea, that is all. Nothing ever came of it afterwards. He draws attention to an idea but nothing happens with it (because no town jumps on?) In other words I do think regent looks scummy. So does now Daniel ion though. Who looks worse? Rethos made a very impressive slip though, but should we give Daniel the time for him to convince him he is town? However now I move onto stutters. Twice consistently he comes in after someone calls him out. Three posts in what 48 hours? I have posted cases about him in the past for not lurking when he said he had time ect… and he sheeps onto drazak along with most people though. It’s a pity it’s harder to find stuff with him because he has lurked so much. I know there is something else I was going to say but I forgot… On September 22 2012 04:00 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 03:49 kushm4sta wrote:
Ok its wrong to say "mafia don't get bored" because that is an absolute. I would rather say, in my current sober state, that it is much less likely for scum to get bored.
Is there a chance he is scum? I doubt it but of course there is a chance.
I'm saying that I think bored mafia is more likely than mafia that uses faked boredom into quitting the game as a scum strategy. Lol in my first mafia game as town I got really baked and then I lurked in the thread taking notes and making theories. I took a nap, woke up and proceeded to make the mother of all scummy-sounding posting sprees. So if you're town then my advice is: don't play this game high, don't even read the thread. So you believe the boredom claim no matter if he is town or scum right? Is there a reason for you doubting he's scum or is it just a gut feeling? Yeah don’t get baked, don’t work on 4 hours sleep, and don’t get drunk. *goes to get drunk*
I said it before and I will say it again. The measure of a lurker is not his post count, it's not his word count. It's matter of contribution to the scumhunt. Jacob is an active lurker, and that reeks of scum.
Can anyone even remember a stance jacob has taken? Remedy, killing, stutters, atreides, I can remember something about all of them without even looking at their filter. Jacob has been all about the bandwagon, and the half hearted accusations.
This is the second post against me.. where is the vote? Not even a fucking FOS.
Why would I try to post as much as I can? If I were mafia I would have remained low key. Also part of the reason I messed up was because I am committed to this game. Even when I was completely exhausted(and frustrated) I make several posts because I wanted to be in this game (although I was tired to the point where I was miss reading stuff) That tired as mafia I would never post in this thread it would be insane.
No one is even accusing you, yet you feel the need to defend yourself.
Your defense of yourself for no reason paraphrased:
you missed things in the thread because you were tired, and this proves you aren't mafia because mafia would never post when they are tired. That would be "INSANE."
Not really. Especially if they weren't under any town pressure like you.
And you saying it would be insane just seems like you are exaggerating an untrue argument to make yourself look more town.
However incase you are town it would be detrimental to lose you (same with thrawn) so I will move onto the lurkers.
@jacob So according to this statement, we shouldn't be scumhunting active people?
In the next part of the post he casts suspicion on dandel for trying to get people to focus on remedy. But the suspicion is so soooo slight. Read the part where he suspects dandel for shifting focus to remedy. His suspicion has the force of a feather.
Then he suspects remedy, yes the same remedy he chides dandel for investigating.
In other words I do think regent looks scummy. So does now Daniel ion though. Who looks worse? Rethos made a very impressive slip though, but should we give Daniel the time for him to convince him he is town?
However now I move onto stutters.
Here is my jacob impersonation:
This guys kinda scummy, so is this guy. Who is scummier? Should we let them convince us who is scummier? Well this well is dry time to move on.
So far he has made no definitive statements, and he's already moved on to his 4th suspicion, stutters. And here he reiterates the scumminess of stutters afk timings. To accuse stutters right now makes sense, but it is also safe as fuck. Everyone is suspicious of stutters.
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I have 1 game experience with jacob, and he can be hard to understand. But this is the same jacob as in last game. I don't know who obsed last game but killing you were there till the end. Do you concur?
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I forgot something important.
##unvote
##vote jacob
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I've been looking at the final vote count. I think it's very very safe to assume that at least 1 mafia voted for drazak. The people who voted for drazak are: Sharrant, Sonic Death Monkey, kushm4sta, thrawn2112, Stutters695. So then I removed sharrant, sonic, and myself, which leaves kush and stutters. Out of those two I think it's more likely stutters is scum. And when I look at their votes, kush made that retarded "ok looks like drazzak is the bandwagon then" vote. Originally it looked suspicious but consider this... why the fuck would a mafia player bandwagon onto a townie lynch and then use such a terrible phrase? Especially to even include the word bandwagon? That imo, is a colossal error that I don't think anyone would be capable of. (well maybe yourharry would find some way to rationalize it) So, that leaves stutters who already looks suspicious, both for lurking, and because of how he stops lurking to pop in the thread once someone calls him out.
So if all the follwoing is true, Stutters has to be scum
1: At least 1 mafia voted for drazak
2: There are no holes we've overlooked in sharrant's mason claim
3: My reasoning about kush's vote is extremely likely to be correct
(4: and an additional one for people other than myself would be that thrawn is town)
For me of course 4 is 100 true. 2 is so close to 100 percent true it may as well be 100 percent. Then I think 3 is the next most likely and 1 is probably the part of the theory I have the most hesitations about. However I think 1 and 3 are solid enough.
So in other words I think stutters is a pretty damn good lynch option. Not only for all the reasons just mentioned but also because he's a huge lurker.
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K so the questions everyone needs to answer: who is your biggest scumread? are you willing to hop on a stutters bandwagon?
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