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On February 26 2013 15:16 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 15:12 Keirathi wrote:
EBWOP: That's why it came across as fake to me. Town doesn't benefit from your stance at all (unless you want to argue that you are more likely town than yamato), only you do. keir I feel like this point isn't going to go anywhere... what else makes you think adam is scum?
Nothing else. I'm not entirely convinced Adam is scum, but I wanted some comments on it.
On February 26 2013 15:20 Adam4167 wrote:
This point isnt going anywhere because there is no point to begin with.
Even if I were stepping forward to 'duel on towns behalf after yamato died or otherwise', how does that show only scum motivation? It could just as easily be coming from a townie wanting to fight.
Bad case.
You're brushing away my point with trivialities. I don't really give a shit what your actual stance on who should duel is, if you can provide good reasoning and show why its good for town.
What does concern me is that I can't see any actual point to your stance. How is it beneficial to town?
You see, the problem is, you may never even have to back your stance up in this game. What if every day we have a town collective agreement on who should duel? Or someone goes balls deep and duels on their own? Or someone refuses to duel, and we have a Likely Townie step in the duel the person who refuses? Etc, etc.
When it gets to day 6 or something, and you've never had to actually back up your opinion on how you would handle the dueling, you can still say "But look guys, I'm town because I had a unique idea day 1 even though it didn't actually mean anything and I never had to put it into practice!" Do you not see how that could be beneficial for scum?
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Hey Keir, wanna take up your beef with Adam's stance with me?
I'm pretty sure that guy's town, and it had nothing to do with agreeing with me. Your attack in him does seem to hinge on that point, that somehow his bravado is scum motivated, which would imply that mine was too, because I did it first as you pointed out.
Honestly, I want to see Keir hang. Someone make it happen. Sylencia is another one I could live without right now. My null reads from earlier have returned to the thread and done fuck all to make me think they're townie. Time's a wastin'
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i will but I want to wait the whole cycle first
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Also, for the record, I am somewhat less interested in seeing Hapa die at the current moment, as for thrawn. Thrawn is, at least, too fucking popular of a lynch choice at the moment for me to be comfortable with his death. Hapa started out similarly but there's some stuff both have done that make me doubt my read a bit.
Still keeping a watchful eye on you two. And Alderan with his horrid list post that was neither organized nor coherent.
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Anyways, I'm going to sleep. I'll probably be back around lunch tomorrow while I'm on my lunch break, then gone for a few more hours.
I'd appreciate it if someone could look at my points about Adam and give some comments other than "lol bad". Tell me why. Maybe I'm just paranoid. I mean, at least he did take some kind of stance, and he's right, it was against the grain and I would normally give a few townie points for that. I'm just failing to see how, in this particular instance, his stance is beneficial to town, because I can't really predict any scenario in which he'll have to back it up.
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"Not seeing town motivation" is not the same as "seeing scum motivation". A point I learned well lately. You'll have to do better than that to justify a red read on Adam, Keir.
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On February 26 2013 16:03 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, I'm going to sleep. I'll probably be back around lunch tomorrow while I'm on my lunch break, then gone for a few more hours.
I'd appreciate it if someone could look at my points about Adam and give some comments other than "lol bad". Tell me why. Maybe I'm just paranoid. I mean, at least he did take some kind of stance, and he's right, it was against the grain and I would normally give a few townie points for that. I'm just failing to see how, in this particular instance, his stance is beneficial to town, because I can't really predict any scenario in which he'll have to back it up.
The problem is that it doesn't matter if I grant you the point or not... it's a pretty small piece of evidence to base an entire scum read on. I could see it being responsible for maybe 10% worth of a scum read. I'm much more interested in anything else you have to say.
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On February 26 2013 16:07 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 16:03 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, I'm going to sleep. I'll probably be back around lunch tomorrow while I'm on my lunch break, then gone for a few more hours.
I'd appreciate it if someone could look at my points about Adam and give some comments other than "lol bad". Tell me why. Maybe I'm just paranoid. I mean, at least he did take some kind of stance, and he's right, it was against the grain and I would normally give a few townie points for that. I'm just failing to see how, in this particular instance, his stance is beneficial to town, because I can't really predict any scenario in which he'll have to back it up. The problem is that it doesn't matter if I grant you the point or not... it's a pretty small piece of evidence to base an entire scum read on. I could see it being responsible for maybe 10% worth of a scum read. I'm much more interested in anything else you have to say.
AFAIK, i never said "Okay guys, Adam 100% scum lets lynch him". I saw something, and mentioned it to the thread to get some feedback.
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On February 26 2013 16:05 yamato77 wrote:
"Not seeing town motivation" is not the same as "seeing scum motivation". A point I learned well lately. You'll have to do better than that to justify a red read on Adam, Keir.
I very specifically pointed out the scum motivation.
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keir there's a strong chance that we might be dueling.... how do you feel about that? i think we should hold hands and tell each other why we want to shoot each other
I say that you are not scumhunting. Your desire to duel me is based on a meta read. Is there anything else? Does the meta read still apply? You have been carrying on about this point against adam and as I've already said, I don't think much can be gained from discussing it any further. Overall your suspicions are weak. Can you give me a good explanation of why you are willing to duel me? If it wasn't you dueling me, who else would you want to be a duelist?
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To look townie later in the game?
I don't see it. Just because he won't have to back it up doesn't mean it doesn't have town motivations.
And as I asked earlier, if this is your argument, why dies it apply to him and not me ?
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On February 26 2013 15:45 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 15:16 thrawn2112 wrote:On February 26 2013 15:12 Keirathi wrote:
EBWOP: That's why it came across as fake to me. Town doesn't benefit from your stance at all (unless you want to argue that you are more likely town than yamato), only you do. keir I feel like this point isn't going to go anywhere... what else makes you think adam is scum? Nothing else. I'm not entirely convinced Adam is scum, but I wanted some comments on it. Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 15:20 Adam4167 wrote:
This point isnt going anywhere because there is no point to begin with.
Even if I were stepping forward to 'duel on towns behalf after yamato died or otherwise', how does that show only scum motivation? It could just as easily be coming from a townie wanting to fight.
Bad case. You're brushing away my point with trivialities. I don't really give a shit what your actual stance on who should duel is, if you can provide good reasoning and show why its good for town. What does concern me is that I can't see any actual point to your stance. How is it beneficial to town? You see, the problem is, you may never even have to back your stance up in this game. What if every day we have a town collective agreement on who should duel? Or someone goes balls deep and duels on their own? Or someone refuses to duel, and we have a Likely Townie step in the duel the person who refuses? Etc, etc. When it gets to day 6 or something, and you've never had to actually back up your opinion on how you would handle the dueling, you can still say "But look guys, I'm town because I had a unique idea day 1 even though it didn't actually mean anything and I never had to put it into practice!" Do you not see how that could be beneficial for scum?
I don't even know what the hell you're arguing anymore. Whatever it is, it isn't making me scum.
Mess with the bull, you get the horns.
##Duel: Keirathi
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On February 26 2013 16:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
keir there's a strong chance that we might be dueling.... how do you feel about that? i think we should hold hands and tell each other why we want to shoot each other
I say that you are not scumhunting. Your desire to duel me is based on a meta read. Is there anything else? Does the meta read still apply? You have been carrying on about this point against adam and as I've already said, I don't think much can be gained from discussing it any further. Overall your suspicions are weak. Can you give me a good explanation of why you are willing to duel me? If it wasn't you dueling me, who else would you want to be a duelist?
I already said I would be fine dueling you. I still think you are scum.
Why is a meta read not good enough? I make solely meta-based reads quite often with players that I am at least semi-familiar with, and I think I've read or played in almost all of your games.
On February 26 2013 16:23 yamato77 wrote:
To look townie later in the game?
I don't see it. Just because he won't have to back it up doesn't mean it doesn't have town motivations.
And as I asked earlier, if this is your argument, why dies it apply to him and not me ?
Not necessarily to look townie later, but that he gets to use the argument "Look guys, Im town because I did something abnormal!"
The difference between you and him is that you aren't in here making that argument for yourself to buy town cred. Other people have made it for you.
If someone else had said "I think Adam is probably town because he was willing to propose his own unique idea rather than just blending into the town sentiment" I would have probably agreed with them. But for Adam himself to say it triggers my paranoia reflex.
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Duel 1
Adam4167 and Keirathi are the duelists for today. Neither of them may vote.
The first duelist to reach a majority (7 votes) in 48 hours will die. If a majority cannot be reached by 07:40 GMT (+00:00) both duelists will die.
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##Vote: Keirathi
adam mind explaining why you had to call for the duel right now?
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On February 26 2013 16:25 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 15:45 Keirathi wrote:On February 26 2013 15:16 thrawn2112 wrote:On February 26 2013 15:12 Keirathi wrote:
EBWOP: That's why it came across as fake to me. Town doesn't benefit from your stance at all (unless you want to argue that you are more likely town than yamato), only you do. keir I feel like this point isn't going to go anywhere... what else makes you think adam is scum? Nothing else. I'm not entirely convinced Adam is scum, but I wanted some comments on it. On February 26 2013 15:20 Adam4167 wrote:
This point isnt going anywhere because there is no point to begin with.
Even if I were stepping forward to 'duel on towns behalf after yamato died or otherwise', how does that show only scum motivation? It could just as easily be coming from a townie wanting to fight.
Bad case. You're brushing away my point with trivialities. I don't really give a shit what your actual stance on who should duel is, if you can provide good reasoning and show why its good for town. What does concern me is that I can't see any actual point to your stance. How is it beneficial to town? You see, the problem is, you may never even have to back your stance up in this game. What if every day we have a town collective agreement on who should duel? Or someone goes balls deep and duels on their own? Or someone refuses to duel, and we have a Likely Townie step in the duel the person who refuses? Etc, etc. When it gets to day 6 or something, and you've never had to actually back up your opinion on how you would handle the dueling, you can still say "But look guys, I'm town because I had a unique idea day 1 even though it didn't actually mean anything and I never had to put it into practice!" Do you not see how that could be beneficial for scum? I don't even know what the hell you're arguing anymore. Whatever it is, it isn't making me scum. Mess with the bull, you get the horns. ##Duel: Keirathi
Congrats on your e-peen wagging contest. I was trying to explain my original paranoia and figure you out, but you jump the gun instead of giving people time to discuss it.
Anyways I'm going to bed for reals now. G'nite.
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On February 26 2013 16:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
##Vote: Keirathi
adam mind explaining why you had to call for the duel right now?
Because I felt like it.
I came here to duel, not vote and then duel when everyone agrees like a watered down version of a normal mafia game.
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On February 26 2013 16:46 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 16:25 Adam4167 wrote:On February 26 2013 15:45 Keirathi wrote:On February 26 2013 15:16 thrawn2112 wrote:On February 26 2013 15:12 Keirathi wrote:
EBWOP: That's why it came across as fake to me. Town doesn't benefit from your stance at all (unless you want to argue that you are more likely town than yamato), only you do. keir I feel like this point isn't going to go anywhere... what else makes you think adam is scum? Nothing else. I'm not entirely convinced Adam is scum, but I wanted some comments on it. On February 26 2013 15:20 Adam4167 wrote:
This point isnt going anywhere because there is no point to begin with.
Even if I were stepping forward to 'duel on towns behalf after yamato died or otherwise', how does that show only scum motivation? It could just as easily be coming from a townie wanting to fight.
Bad case. You're brushing away my point with trivialities. I don't really give a shit what your actual stance on who should duel is, if you can provide good reasoning and show why its good for town. What does concern me is that I can't see any actual point to your stance. How is it beneficial to town? You see, the problem is, you may never even have to back your stance up in this game. What if every day we have a town collective agreement on who should duel? Or someone goes balls deep and duels on their own? Or someone refuses to duel, and we have a Likely Townie step in the duel the person who refuses? Etc, etc. When it gets to day 6 or something, and you've never had to actually back up your opinion on how you would handle the dueling, you can still say "But look guys, I'm town because I had a unique idea day 1 even though it didn't actually mean anything and I never had to put it into practice!" Do you not see how that could be beneficial for scum? I don't even know what the hell you're arguing anymore. Whatever it is, it isn't making me scum. Mess with the bull, you get the horns. ##Duel: Keirathi Congrats on your e-peen wagging contest. I was trying to explain my original paranoia and figure you out, but you jump the gun instead of giving people time to discuss it. Anyways I'm going to bed for reals now. G'nite.
People can discuss it now. If they don't agree with my decision, then they can vote accordingly.
You were trying to back out of a half-assed scum read after a day of doing nothing because the thread wasn't biting.
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Anyway
YEAH ADAM BE A MAN.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS.
so Adam, why are you playing differently in this game then in chrono trigger?
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On February 26 2013 17:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway
YEAH ADAM BE A MAN.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS.
so Adam, why are you playing differently in this game then in chrono trigger?
You were in chrono-trigger, the answer should be somewhat evident.
I nailed a scum on day 3 (Z-BosoN) and went entirely ignored, despite my cases, until even after he flipped scum, then was somehow named scum myself.
I do not want to be ignored when I know i'm capable of catching scum.
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