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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
November 24 2011 15:55 GMT
#661
Palmar, Decon, BC, Sandroba - Question
Who did you receive your role PM from?
Life can only kill you once.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 24 2011 15:57 GMT
#662
On November 25 2011 00:55 Jackal58 wrote:
Palmar, Decon, BC, Sandroba - Question
Who did you receive your role PM from?


Don't answer that unless you want to get modkilled.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
November 24 2011 15:59 GMT
#663
On November 25 2011 00:51 xtfftc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 00:13 Toadesstern wrote:
Someone who's not a vet willing wo discuss a bit about the candidates so far? I'd like to hear a bit of "normal" thoughts rather than thoughts from people I know are playing much better than I am and therefore could easily trick me into thinking something they want me to think.


All serious candidates are rather careful so far. They always are, of course, but this time it's somewhat different, like an attempt not to scare the newbies away from voting for them. There's no pressure applied, just polite strategy and policy discussions. There's nothing wrong with this but it almost feels like the game hasn't started yet. And in a way, it hasn't. I don't think that you've been tricked by anyone thus far just because no one has really made anything. BC leaves the impression of a man with a plan (although I don't agree with his DT strategy) and Youngmini appears to be doing some lame attempt to pressure Palmar. There's not much else for now.

I would once again advise everyone to base their votes on what the major candidates do when they start hunting for mafia.

that's kind of my point from earlier. I never played with elections so I'm used to hunting scum from the very first moment. Right now it's more of a "vote me I'm awesome" vs "no vote me I'm more awesome!" with some arguments that may or may not be correct. However given we're on day1 and noone putting pressure on someone because everyone is thinking about that election rather than hunting scum it's such incredible easy to look pro town without doing a thing at all because nothing you do can give you away if there's noone pressureing at all.
Just smash a few buttons, get a campaign with a nice plan or idea behind it and yeah it might work out but we're totally losing day1 if it keeps going on like this.
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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
November 24 2011 16:02 GMT
#664
On November 25 2011 00:55 Jackal58 wrote:
Palmar, Decon, BC, Sandroba - Question
Who did you receive your role PM from?


lol jackal you're such an idiot. :D
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 24 2011 16:03 GMT
#665
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Last 9 games as town:
Mafia XXXVII- Town win
TL Mafia XXXVIII - Town win
Pick Your Power Insane!- Town win
Pick Their Power Mafia- Town win
TL Mafia XLII- Town win
Vigilante Mafia- Town win
Pick Their Power Mafia 2- Town win
Experimental Haunted Mafia- Town win
Team Melee Mini Mafia - Couples Therapy - Town win


Last time I lost a game as town: Feb. 2011 (chaoser flipped the queue, lets blame him)

Statistical anomaly? Of course! But here is your chance to become part of the anomaly too!

Kita's town winning percentage: .722
Flash's BW winning percentage: .718
Aaron Rodger's Completion percentage: .658
Ty Cobb's career batting average: .366

Therefore, Kita is superior to Flash, Rodgers and Cobb.
Kita also talks about himself in third person apparently.

Game specifics:
I'll explain the day one lynch choice, rather than picking from a pool of inactives.
I won't hold the double lynches hostage. With 8 mafia kp, we need to start reducing that from the start. I'm thinking with clues, a day 2 or 3 double lynch would probably be best.
If you're going to breadcrumb, be really careful. Scum look for those.
I won't pretend to get real emotional and mindlessly tunnel a player.
I won't be a distraction to town. Haven't ever been lynched (and I can't blow myself up beforehand this time), so I play pro-town regardless of alignment.
Sheriff should be protecting town, rather than denying mafia kp. Forces scum to shoot into less than ideal targets. The sheriff also protects players that would be double or triple stacked since they prevent all night actions.
Town roleblockers should be aiming to deny mafia kp, rather than no shooting. The risk of roleblocking a blue is worth the reward.
Don't talk about your role. That results in blue sniping.
Vig/lurker bane should claim their shots right before the day post.
Dts choose your own checks, don't follow others guidance.

On November 24 2011 15:28 sandroba wrote:
Also the clues that would point towards me are supposed to be ridiculously easy, since I didn't put anything on my profile, so if was scum no one would have a problem identifying it.


Scum choose who shoots. If you were a scum mayor, why would a clue ever even point to you?

Not sure who I'm voting for yet. Ideally someone who hasn't started their campaign yet.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
November 24 2011 16:04 GMT
#666
Skimmed through the last couple of pages and each campaign post (forgive me if I missed stuff)

Sinani206 – joke campaign?
Redff – joke campaign #2?
Prplhz – do like the suggestions for newbies and giving general advice to everyone. Would like to hear a more concrete plan though for scumhunt. Getting a good vibe from him (page 27)
Palmar – wrote a novel in his first campaign post … don’t really care. Not liking the LAL policy it has never worked and won’t this time.

“I will encourage scumhunting”, “I will discourage lurking”, “I will be aggressive and fair” not really telling me much compared to something like Prplhz’s campaign who gives concrete examples of what to do / not to do

Sandroba – looking to hear more from him. His list on page 33 seem intriguing – I am wondering what he is saying about the GM not RNGing is credible though. Anyone to confirm? I would like to add also I’d expect at least 1 scum mayoral candidate as of this post.

Xtfftc – not convincing enough. Might as well draw straws for mayor then

BloodyC0bbler – a double edged sword. Played with him multiple times and he can really turn the tide on either side. Has the most concrete and sensible plan so far out of all the candidates which leads us to have the most information coming out of night 1. I do fear for the chance he is scum though so I’d rather have him in the Sheriff role as somewhat of a failsafe. A weapon no matter what role he is in.

Erandorr – “I will be active and try to push town in the right direction.” Would like to see more confidence from a mayor. Don’t think he really stands out from the other candidates


Don’t really like the fact that people running for mayor keep posting big pictures kind of annoying -_-

As a player who hasn’t played with most of you veterans – unfortunately I don’t want to go through the trouble of looking through all your past games to learn about you. As town I want to see a candidate with a plan – I’m taking what you guys say about each others past games with a grain of salt essentially. Especially in such a massive game I want a mayor who’s not just a figure head or someone to keep alive but able to guide the town in the right direction through the duration of the whole game.

Would also like to know (as per Jackal) how first lynch will be determined from some of the other candidates.

Will keep my vote for now but right now I have
1. Prplhz
2. BloodyC0bbler
3. Sandroba

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES49986 Posts
November 24 2011 16:05 GMT
#667
Things seem to have gotten interesting right off the bat,but I guess that is to be expected.
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Pigsquirrel
Profile Joined August 2009
United States615 Posts
November 24 2011 16:06 GMT
#668
On November 25 2011 00:26 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 00:07 Jackal58 wrote:
On November 25 2011 00:01 deconduo wrote:
On November 24 2011 21:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Detectives
Regardless of if I win this election or not I will post three names during night 1 (hopefully near the start). EVERY single one of you will investigate one of these names. The reason for this is for sanity clarification process. All of you will be sitting on the information of one specific person. It will all be different. Sane people will have the person flip the natural alignment. Paranoid will have it flip scum always, insane flip in reverse (anti town as town and town as anti town) and naive always town. But mr. BC with this a mafia framer can easily fuck everything all up! This could almost be true. Except this is where the rolecop comes in. All rolecops will also check into this list. IF a rolecop spots a red in this list we lynch that person, medics now have a medic target to protect for further nights. In the event multiple reds are caught via this process we have night 2 vig targets as well.


How does the rolecop help here exactly? There's only a handful of roles that are unique to one side: DT, Vet, Hatter, Framer. If none of those are amongst the names checked, then the framer will still be able to mess things up. You also have millers to account for. On top of this, the people need to flip before it actually will help with anything.

On November 24 2011 22:02 Jackal58 wrote:
Good morning, role received, game on.
Palmar
Sandroba
BC
Decon.
Any one of you would make an excellent choice for mayor. If you're town. All 4 of you scare the hell out of me if you're scum.

If you would please tell us who or how you will determine who is the person you will lynch on day 1?

If you are a noob please consider the fact that while each of those candidates all had an 80% (That's the percentage you're looking for Palmar) probability of rolling town the probability that one of them is scum is damn near 100%.


I will lynch a veteran player who is trying to look like they are contributing without really saying anything. I've found that this is generally one of the better scumtells that even good players fall victim to. Also players who were active in the pre-game and have disappeared somewhat. Kitaman is guilty of this right now, though it still is early in the day.


What do make of my assertion that one of the four of you I listed is almost certainly scum?


I assume that mafia will probably send out their best player along with one other person to run for mayor. I wouldn't be surprised if either of those 3 are mafia, but I also wouldn't say its almost 100%. It also depends on if the mafia team was completely RNGd or selectively picked.

This touches on my main point. I get a slight scumread on anybody who says "Vote for me so I can have power because I'm good so you can trust me with the power".
Anybody who wants Mayor for power seems slightly scummy to me.
BC doesn't want mayor for power, he wants it to lead town.
I actually have a slight scumread on Palmar. I really don't like how his main basis is "I'm good, vote for me." Mayor will attract scum, especially good scum who will be able to prevent themselves from being lynched. As mentioned before, a good player capable of avoiding being lynched will be nigh unkillable with mayor.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
November 24 2011 16:09 GMT
#669
On November 25 2011 00:57 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 00:55 Jackal58 wrote:
Palmar, Decon, BC, Sandroba - Question
Who did you receive your role PM from?


Don't answer that unless you want to get modkilled.

It's not forbidden in the rules. I'm not asking to see their PM. They can all possibly lie as well.
Life can only kill you once.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 24 2011 16:09 GMT
#670
Contrary to my usual stance, I think we shouldn't be lynching into presumably active veteran players on on day1, given the number of lurking new players that will likely be present. I'd rather let mafia narrow down the vet list, at least early on. Of course that is not to say lynching an obviously scummy vet shouldn't be lynched, but I think whoever gets elected should keep this in mind. Around 33 out of 80 have posted since the game began.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 24 2011 16:10 GMT
#671
On November 25 2011 01:09 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 00:57 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 25 2011 00:55 Jackal58 wrote:
Palmar, Decon, BC, Sandroba - Question
Who did you receive your role PM from?


Don't answer that unless you want to get modkilled.

It's not forbidden in the rules. I'm not asking to see their PM. They can all possibly lie as well.


It has been in any game I've ever been in.

Syllo, why the apathy thus far?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
November 24 2011 16:12 GMT
#672
On November 25 2011 01:09 syllogism wrote:
Contrary to my usual stance, I think we shouldn't be lynching into presumably active veteran players on on day1, given the number of lurking new players that will likely be present. I'd rather let mafia narrow down the vet list, at least early on. Of course that is not to say lynching an obviously scummy vet shouldn't be lynched, but I think whoever gets elected should keep this in mind. Around 33 out of 80 have posted since the game began.

I don't think anybody's seriously talking about lynching vets right now, only weighing the dangers of voting a scumvet mayor.
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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 24 2011 16:13 GMT
#673
On November 25 2011 01:10 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 01:09 Jackal58 wrote:
On November 25 2011 00:57 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 25 2011 00:55 Jackal58 wrote:
Palmar, Decon, BC, Sandroba - Question
Who did you receive your role PM from?


Don't answer that unless you want to get modkilled.

It's not forbidden in the rules. I'm not asking to see their PM. They can all possibly lie as well.


It has been in any game I've ever been in.

Syllo, why the apathy thus far?

There's no apathy; it's a day 1 with only elections in a game with 80 players and I'm watching dreamhack
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
November 24 2011 16:18 GMT
#674
On November 25 2011 01:13 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 01:10 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 25 2011 01:09 Jackal58 wrote:
On November 25 2011 00:57 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 25 2011 00:55 Jackal58 wrote:
Palmar, Decon, BC, Sandroba - Question
Who did you receive your role PM from?


Don't answer that unless you want to get modkilled.

It's not forbidden in the rules. I'm not asking to see their PM. They can all possibly lie as well.


It has been in any game I've ever been in.

Syllo, why the apathy thus far?

There's no apathy; it's a day 1 with only elections in a game with 80 players and I'm watching dreamhack


Thank God this isn't a LR thread, or I'd tooootally derail right now :D

I didn't know the part about who sends out the PM. Does it really make a difference? Also, how do you think the lynching should go? Talking out a few of the slightly experienced players lurking, or possibly a few new players because of 1-2 posts of theirs?

Or is it too early to talk about lynching methods until we have our elections done?
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ohN
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1075 Posts
November 24 2011 16:37 GMT
#675
This is my first game in a loooooong time and I'm still relatively new at this.

Based on the past few pages I've read:
I don't want to vote for BC. His DT plan seems really useless and a great way to tunnelvision the precious few DTs that we have.
I don't want to vote for xfftc cause his laid back attitude towards mayor position means that if he's mafia, he could just sit back all game and be a real pain to get rid of.

Palmer.. I think is the most interesting person at the moment to consider for mayor spot. He (she?) is very vocal this game and apparently one of the better players here. I'd much rather vote for a veteran who's active rather than a okay player who's not as vocal. However, some of Palmer's statements make for really bad arguements..
Like this one:
On November 24 2011 22:51 Palmar wrote:
The goal for this game is to win. I feel the best course of action is to secure someone I trust for the mayor spot. I happen to trust myself.

but at the moment I believe he's the best choice based on the fact that he will be one of the most vocal players throughout this game and if he's town, it'll be really helpful to keep him alive through the mayor spot and if he's scum, he's leaving behind a huge trail of posts.

Not completely sold yet, but I will keep my vote on him until I see a better candidate fit to be mayor.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
November 24 2011 16:44 GMT
#676
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 24 2011 16:50 GMT
#677
On November 25 2011 01:44 Kurumi wrote:
i want a hat

it shall be done.
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trainRiderJ
Profile Joined August 2010
United States615 Posts
November 24 2011 16:50 GMT
#678
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 25 2011 01:37 ohN wrote:
This is my first game in a loooooong time and I'm still relatively new at this.

Based on the past few pages I've read:
I don't want to vote for BC. His DT plan seems really useless and a great way to tunnelvision the precious few DTs that we have.
I don't want to vote for xfftc cause his laid back attitude towards mayor position means that if he's mafia, he could just sit back all game and be a real pain to get rid of.

Palmer.. I think is the most interesting person at the moment to consider for mayor spot. He (she?) is very vocal this game and apparently one of the better players here. I'd much rather vote for a veteran who's active rather than a okay player who's not as vocal. However, some of Palmer's statements make for really bad arguements..
Like this one:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2011 22:51 Palmar wrote:
The goal for this game is to win. I feel the best course of action is to secure someone I trust for the mayor spot. I happen to trust myself.

but at the moment I believe he's the best choice based on the fact that he will be one of the most vocal players throughout this game and if he's town, it'll be really helpful to keep him alive through the mayor spot and if he's scum, he's leaving behind a huge trail of posts.

Not completely sold yet, but I will keep my vote on him until I see a better candidate fit to be mayor.


Pretty much my thoughts as well. Sandroba also looks pretty open and townish to me as well. I like the people who are able to discuss things while making sense. The only thing I don't like about Palmer at this point is his "vote for me because I'm good" policy, which honestly isn't terrible but I'd like to see a concrete plan suggestion from him before casting a vote.

Would it be a good idea to wait a bit to vote and if someone starts running away with the mayor vote, make an effective vote for sheriff instead?

Thanksgiving Day is going to be pretty hectic at my house so I'll have to check in again in the evening (and I expect a considerable amount of additional campaigning will have been done at that point so I can make a more informed vote).
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 24 2011 16:56 GMT
#679
I cannot imagine the speed with which i will need to f5 when it reaches the end of the day...

Anyways I would like to let out a word of caution to all the newbies, Be wary of policy posts and the like. they are very easy for both town and mafia to do because they require no analysis, yet it makes them look very "pro town"

So far I think i support BC the most, the way palmar's campain is only focused on his abilites in past games and hypotheticals really worries me.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 24 2011 16:57 GMT
#680
oh and like many americans im going to be extrememly busy today, but i will do my best to keep up.
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