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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 30 2010 11:25 Pandain wrote: Me: Dr: H Dr: H(previous) Dr. H(after) I want DTS checking Dr. H, at the very least if he's mafia it will force them to elect him godfather(which would probably be the best move anyway) Good job pointing out nothing again Pandain. I am saying you implied I was operating solely in secret. I quoted bolded and red'd the part where you implied that (to my interpretation). I never ever once said you literally used the same words. This is bad wordplay and it does nothing but discredit me for no reason It seems like you are trying to say "the circle is a good thing and should be taken advantage of" and "the circle is a bad thing and should be feared" at the same time. Your rhetoric throughout the game seems to me to be emphasizing the latter. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 30 2010 11:28 Coagulation wrote: dr h and pandain it would be nice if you guys could talk about something relevent to the town and disregard this little pissing contest you guys have going on right now. it would be nice if you could do a single thing in this game besides insult other players and get really mad for no reason | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 30 2010 11:27 Glasse wrote: Sounds more like you just made shit up and can't think of a name that fits the description you gave. Oh, I see. The name of the role is Sticky. You can see earlier that I used the word sticky to try to see if Node had the same role as me. As far as making it up, that would be the worst mafia play in the history of mafia. Again like I said (this is the millionth time now) In order to fake this role I have to out a scumbuddy every single day, who has to lie, putting pressure on an increasing amount of mafia. I would also have to fake the second part of my role, which would be impossible to do since the results are objective and not able to be manipulated. | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On October 30 2010 11:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Oh, I see. The name of the role is Sticky. You can see earlier that I used the word sticky to try to see if Node had the same role as me. As far as making it up, that would be the worst mafia play in the history of mafia. Again like I said (this is the millionth time now) In order to fake this role I have to out a scumbuddy every single day, who has to lie, putting pressure on an increasing amount of mafia. I would also have to fake the second part of my role, which would be impossible to do since the results are objective and not able to be manipulated. To DrH: If you are mafia and your role is similar to what you say it is, it could just be instead of you being able to "confirm your role as a townie" to other people it could be "fake your role as a townie" to other people. You don't need to out other mafias to do that. Looks like my post is just being jumped over  You don't necessarily to have made up the entire role, but it could work just as you said but instead favor the mafia instead of town. Like a mafia role that can "confirm he's town through other people" | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On October 30 2010 11:25 Nemesis wrote: And the debates continue!  Politics, I dislike it  Just some general points I'd like to make: To DrH: If you are mafia and your role is similar to what you say it is, it could just be instead of you being able to "confirm your role as a townie" to other people it could be "fake your role as a townie" to other people. You don't need to out other mafias to do that. I am just highly skeptical of voting for someone because of their supposed role. To fishball: Get someone from your circle to confirm that your circle really exist, or in fact, tell all of them to come out(not their role just the fact that they are in the circle) if at all possible. I can definitely tell one of them to confirm the existence of the circle. In fact, the only "active" member already offered to do so, but I told him not yet. I have yet to see any others come online tonight, and like said before, some of them haven't even posted in the god damn thread yet. Which makes sense... On October 30 2010 11:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also, it'd be great if we could get a few more people on the replacement list. If you're following the game and want to be on it, please PM me. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On October 30 2010 11:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Good job pointing out nothing again Pandain. I am saying you implied I was operating solely in secret. I quoted bolded and red'd the part where you implied that (to my interpretation). I never ever once said you literally used the same words. This is bad wordplay and it does nothing but discredit me for no reason It seems like you are trying to say "the circle is a good thing and should be taken advantage of" and "the circle is a bad thing and should be feared" at the same time. Your rhetoric throughout the game seems to me to be emphasizing the latter. In case you are arguing because you are confused by what I mean, since it seems you are wholly misinterpeting and twisting my words, I will explain Yes,the circle is a good thing. It is an incredible asset to town and should be used wisely. However, it is also to be feared. A circle is not a group of confirmed townies, in this game it is merely a group of people who can pm(since only Dr. H would be confirmed.) Alright, so great, you become mayor, and the only thing that happens is you become confirmed. I can confirm myself as well. But as it stands, either you are mafia again or this is your first time as townie. I know your very expierenced and beast as mafia but as of now your arguments just don't have substance. Your scum hunting just isn't on radar. And that's why I'm running for mayor, because I believe I can contribute really good analysis that everyone can discuss, and I will help make a final decision. Pms and town circles in this game imo should only be used for stuff a blue can't say in thread or risk being killed(aka dt checks and finds scum.) Besides that, it is wholly unconfirmed. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Let's say I am mafia. I am faking a role in which I confirm my role to another player each night. To fake this I must get another mafia to pretend that I did this each day, who would probably be DT checked immediately throwing me under suspicion. I don't want to say exactly how my second ability works but I can reliably show my powers in helping to stop the spread of the plague. Faking this would be much quicker. It would be incredibly easy to catch me in this lie and since the results of my actions are reflected in the murrayitis numbers and the success of plague doctors, it isn't really something I can pull off. I am offering myself for lynch if the information I'm giving is found to be unreliable. So as mafia here, I'm sacrificing myself. my scumbuddies, and making claims that I cannot fulfill. An utterly retarded thing to do. Not to mention the fact that being mayor barely benefits mafia in this case. The only real benefit is immunity to vig hits and the second vote. In a normal mafia game, the mayor has 3 extra votes, complete immunity from night actions. A DT can check the mayor for godssake. So for me to pull this off all of the following are true: I am mafia I am godfather I can get the mafia to pretend I am confirming to them without ever being caught I can fake a role that involves stopping the spread of murrayitis which isn't a possibility. Consider all of that for the benefit a mafia player would be going for: extra vote immunity to vigs and also weight the con a mafia has from being mayor: guaranteed DT visit immense pressure/scrutiny from town it really is nonsensical, added to the fact that I can prove my role is what I say it is after the night, there is really nothing here to paint me as scum. If it's made up bullshit, and thats what you believe, then I'm handing you my life and the lives of my scumbuddies on a plate. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 30 2010 11:35 Nemesis wrote: Looks like my post is just being jumped over You don't necessarily to have made up the entire role, but it could work just as you said but instead favor the mafia instead of town. Like a mafia role that can "confirm he's town through other people"This would be a good point if it weren't for the fact that my role has a second ability which is designed to hurt mafia which I can also prove I have over the course of the game. In fact my main concern when I thought "how will mafia attempt to discredit me" was that they would say it was a mafia role in the first place when i fully roleclaim and prove my role is what it is you will all see that is ludicrous | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
On October 30 2010 11:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [/b][/blue][/u]Also, it'd be great if we could get a few more people on the replacement list. If you're following the game and want to be on it, please PM me. I dont know why anyone in their right fucking mind following this shit storm would want to join in. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
does your role have ANY harmful powers? as in, can you use it to kill someone (vig/spread murrayitis)? or is it purely a beneficial power? i mean the role called "sticky" makes me think you can kill somebody | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 30 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote: In case you are arguing because you are confused by what I mean, since it seems you are wholly misinterpeting and twisting my words, I will explain Yes,the circle is a good thing. It is an incredible asset to town and should be used wisely. However, it is also to be feared. A circle is not a group of confirmed townies, in this game it is merely a group of people who can pm(since only Dr. H would be confirmed.) Alright, so great, you become mayor, and the only thing that happens is you become confirmed. I can confirm myself as well. But as it stands, either you are mafia again or this is your first time as townie. I know your very expierenced and beast as mafia but as of now your arguments just don't have substance. Your scum hunting just isn't on radar. And that's why I'm running for mayor, because I believe I can contribute really good analysis that everyone can discuss, and I will help make a final decision. Pms and town circles in this game imo should only be used for stuff a blue can't say in thread or risk being killed(aka dt checks and finds scum.) Besides that, it is wholly unconfirmed. OK, so you don't think it's useless. KK "Alright, so great, you become mayor, and the only thing that happens is you become confirmed. I can confirm myself as well." Nope, my role has a second ability which can be used to coordinate blue action and stop the plague. That helps the town immensely. " But as it stands, either you are mafia again or this is your first time as townie. " As opposed to a non existent third option? "Your scum hunting just isn't on radar. " You're doing the same thing NB is doing. You're basically saying "Dr.H is no good as a townie" when I have never been a townie in the past. So I assume you are basing that in my scumhunting in this game and I can't say I agree. Mind telling me what targets are better? " And that's why I'm running for mayor, because I believe I can contribute really good analysis that everyone can discuss, and I will help make a final decision. " I believe the same thing about myself. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 30 2010 11:41 annul wrote: doctorh does your role have ANY harmful powers? as in, can you use it to kill someone (vig/spread murrayitis)? or is it purely a beneficial power? i mean the role called "sticky" makes me think you can kill somebody No, it can't be used to hurt anybody. It is a role that involves information and indirect communication. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 30 2010 11:40 Coagulation wrote: [/b][/blue][/u]I dont know why anyone in their right fucking mind following this shit storm would want to join in. You could contribute instead of complaining about the thread and everyone else in it, you know. | ||
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
On October 30 2010 11:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I am mafia There, he said it! (for serious now) + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2010 11:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I can understand why people maybe don't want me to be mayor over fishball but trying to paint me as scum is ludicrous. Let's say I am mafia. I am faking a role in which I confirm my role to another player each night. To fake this I must get another mafia to pretend that I did this each day, who would probably be DT checked immediately throwing me under suspicion. I don't want to say exactly how my second ability works but I can reliably show my powers in helping to stop the spread of the plague. Faking this would be much quicker. It would be incredibly easy to catch me in this lie and since the results of my actions are reflected in the murrayitis numbers and the success of plague doctors, it isn't really something I can pull off. I am offering myself for lynch if the information I'm giving is found to be unreliable. So as mafia here, I'm sacrificing myself. my scumbuddies, and making claims that I cannot fulfill. An utterly retarded thing to do. Not to mention the fact that being mayor barely benefits mafia in this case. The only real benefit is immunity to vig hits and the second vote. In a normal mafia game, the mayor has 3 extra votes, complete immunity from night actions. A DT can check the mayor for godssake. So for me to pull this off all of the following are true: I am mafia I am godfather I can get the mafia to pretend I am confirming to them without ever being caught I can fake a role that involves stopping the spread of murrayitis which isn't a possibility. Consider all of that for the benefit a mafia player would be going for: extra vote immunity to vigs and also weight the con a mafia has from being mayor: guaranteed DT visit immense pressure/scrutiny from town it really is nonsensical, added to the fact that I can prove my role is what I say it is after the night, there is really nothing here to paint me as scum. If it's made up bullshit, and thats what you believe, then I'm handing you my life and the lives of my scumbuddies on a plate. All those things are very valid points. It looks like you have the whole thing planned if you win. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On October 30 2010 11:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: OK, so you don't think it's useless. KK "Alright, so great, you become mayor, and the only thing that happens is you become confirmed. I can confirm myself as well." Nope, my role has a second ability which can be used to coordinate blue action and stop the plague. That helps the town immensely. But do you need to be mayor? So this point is irrelevant " But as it stands, either you are mafia again or this is your first time as townie. " As opposed to a non existent third option? Ya, theres no third party, I've explained why earlier "Your scum hunting just isn't on radar. " You're doing the same thing NB is doing. You're basically saying "Dr.H is no good as a townie" when I have never been a townie in the past. So I assume you are basing that in my scumhunting in this game and I can't say I agree. Mind telling me what targets are better? I don't know if your no good as townie. I do know that I'm not mafia(lol what good is saying that though :p) so your off there. I'll post analysis tommorow on people. Hopefuly we get more posts by then. " And that's why I'm running for mayor, because I believe I can contribute really good analysis that everyone can discuss, and I will help make a final decision. " Do it. I believe the same thing about myself. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On October 30 2010 11:28 Fishball wrote: This is the type of response I appreciate. Nothing is set. Basically what I'm trying to say is, I don't know how the game would progress. Few cycles, could be as few as one, as much as the entire duration of the game. It's not my call, but the Towns to decide if they need to kill me or not and when to kill me. This is not martyrdom, but as one of the few ways, as a last resort to prove myself and the information I provide, if necessary. Yes, town has a tendency to be confused and be distracted based on previous games, but since you brought this up, you can very well keep this on your top priority list and constantly remind the town of this option. As for releasing information, I specially never used the term "all information". You can check my posts in this thread. Let's assume a scenario. We have a confirmed DT/Medic or the sort in the group. I'm about to get lynched to prove my other claims, whatever it may be. Would it be wise to release who in the group has what role to the public now? The answer is most likely no. It really depends on the situation at that time, and this would be my judgment call. But why does this matters anyways? If I only released half of the information I've got, died and was revealed as a Townie, then my motives can only be good. But see, that's just it. We don't know when to kill you because we don't know how much information you have. You wouldn't want to kill yourself if you were mafia. We don't know how much info you would give us... at all. Nor if it'd be real or fake. Idk, I just think you'd be much better off as a normal role. This way, if you were town, you'd reveal your information anyway and can be medic protected. If you were mafia, we'd still have a ton of information to analyze and a lot less chance of being heavily manipulated by your role. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
How is it irrelevant that I can help the town immensely as mayor? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard : / So you criticize my townie play, without knowing that i'm bad or good at townie. ok | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
I'll be back in around an hour or so and decide whether to change my vote or not after I watch some anime. | ||
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