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On October 30 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 11:46 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 11:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 11:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:25 Pandain wrote:Me:I've already said mayors should obviously be involved in town circles Dr: H You also just said it could be very useful for the mayor to be in such a circle and now you say "what use is the circle at all!"
Dr: H(previous)You never implied I was operating solely in secret? You can't bury your very obvious statements Pandain, no matter how bad you want to diffuse this argument. Dr. H(after)You did not say I was solely operating in secret I want DTS checking Dr. H, at the very least if he's mafia it will force them to elect him godfather(which would probably be the best move anyway) Good job pointing out nothing again Pandain. I am saying you implied I was operating solely in secret. I quoted bolded and red'd the part where you implied that (to my interpretation). I never ever once said you literally used the same words. This is bad wordplay and it does nothing but discredit me for no reason It seems like you are trying to say "the circle is a good thing and should be taken advantage of" and "the circle is a bad thing and should be feared" at the same time. Your rhetoric throughout the game seems to me to be emphasizing the latter. In case you are arguing because you are confused by what I mean, since it seems you are wholly misinterpeting and twisting my words, I will explain Yes,the circle is a good thing. It is an incredible asset to town and should be used wisely. However, it is also to be feared. A circle is not a group of confirmed townies, in this game it is merely a group of people who can pm(since only Dr. H would be confirmed.) Alright, so great, you become mayor, and the only thing that happens is you become confirmed. I can confirm myself as well. But as it stands, either you are mafia again or this is your first time as townie. I know your very expierenced and beast as mafia but as of now your arguments just don't have substance. Your scum hunting just isn't on radar. And that's why I'm running for mayor, because I believe I can contribute really good analysis that everyone can discuss, and I will help make a final decision. Pms and town circles in this game imo should only be used for stuff a blue can't say in thread or risk being killed(aka dt checks and finds scum.) Besides that, it is wholly unconfirmed. OK, so you don't think it's useless. KK "Alright, so great, you become mayor, and the only thing that happens is you become confirmed. I can confirm myself as well." Nope, my role has a second ability which can be used to coordinate blue action and stop the plague. That helps the town immensely. But do you need to be mayor? So this point is irrelevant " But as it stands, either you are mafia again or this is your first time as townie. " As opposed to a non existent third option? Ya, theres no third party, I've explained why earlier "Your scum hunting just isn't on radar. " You're doing the same thing NB is doing. You're basically saying "Dr.H is no good as a townie" when I have never been a townie in the past. So I assume you are basing that in my scumhunting in this game and I can't say I agree. Mind telling me what targets are better? I don't know if your no good as townie. I do know that I'm not mafia(lol what good is saying that though :p) so your off there. I'll post analysis tommorow on people. Hopefuly we get more posts by then. " And that's why I'm running for mayor, because I believe I can contribute really good analysis that everyone can discuss, and I will help make a final decision. " Do it.I believe the same thing about myself. How is it irrelevant that I can help the town immensely as mayor? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard : / So you criticize my townie play, without knowing that i'm bad or good at townie. ok
Its irrelevant being mayor. Please, read my post. I clearly say "but do you need to be mayor? THEREFORE, the point is irrelevant" regarding the election.
And I don't make a final judgement on your play, whether townie or mafia, but your arguments against me are poor, and rightly so given I have done no wrong. If I have, point it out, and see I have done nothing malicious.
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On October 30 2010 11:49 Nemesis wrote:
Hahaha this game is so INSANE with no one knowing what roles there are and turning all the roleclaiming into WIFOM as we can't tell if there really is such a role.
I'll be back in around an hour or so and decide whether to change my vote or not after I watch some anime.
VOTE FOR ME! Dx I'm the only sane one here in this insane (and inane) debate.
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On October 30 2010 11:52 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:46 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 11:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 11:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:25 Pandain wrote:Me:I've already said mayors should obviously be involved in town circles Dr: H You also just said it could be very useful for the mayor to be in such a circle and now you say "what use is the circle at all!"
Dr: H(previous)You never implied I was operating solely in secret? You can't bury your very obvious statements Pandain, no matter how bad you want to diffuse this argument. Dr. H(after)You did not say I was solely operating in secret I want DTS checking Dr. H, at the very least if he's mafia it will force them to elect him godfather(which would probably be the best move anyway) Good job pointing out nothing again Pandain. I am saying you implied I was operating solely in secret. I quoted bolded and red'd the part where you implied that (to my interpretation). I never ever once said you literally used the same words. This is bad wordplay and it does nothing but discredit me for no reason It seems like you are trying to say "the circle is a good thing and should be taken advantage of" and "the circle is a bad thing and should be feared" at the same time. Your rhetoric throughout the game seems to me to be emphasizing the latter. In case you are arguing because you are confused by what I mean, since it seems you are wholly misinterpeting and twisting my words, I will explain Yes,the circle is a good thing. It is an incredible asset to town and should be used wisely. However, it is also to be feared. A circle is not a group of confirmed townies, in this game it is merely a group of people who can pm(since only Dr. H would be confirmed.) Alright, so great, you become mayor, and the only thing that happens is you become confirmed. I can confirm myself as well. But as it stands, either you are mafia again or this is your first time as townie. I know your very expierenced and beast as mafia but as of now your arguments just don't have substance. Your scum hunting just isn't on radar. And that's why I'm running for mayor, because I believe I can contribute really good analysis that everyone can discuss, and I will help make a final decision. Pms and town circles in this game imo should only be used for stuff a blue can't say in thread or risk being killed(aka dt checks and finds scum.) Besides that, it is wholly unconfirmed. OK, so you don't think it's useless. KK "Alright, so great, you become mayor, and the only thing that happens is you become confirmed. I can confirm myself as well." Nope, my role has a second ability which can be used to coordinate blue action and stop the plague. That helps the town immensely. But do you need to be mayor? So this point is irrelevant " But as it stands, either you are mafia again or this is your first time as townie. " As opposed to a non existent third option? Ya, theres no third party, I've explained why earlier "Your scum hunting just isn't on radar. " You're doing the same thing NB is doing. You're basically saying "Dr.H is no good as a townie" when I have never been a townie in the past. So I assume you are basing that in my scumhunting in this game and I can't say I agree. Mind telling me what targets are better? I don't know if your no good as townie. I do know that I'm not mafia(lol what good is saying that though :p) so your off there. I'll post analysis tommorow on people. Hopefuly we get more posts by then. " And that's why I'm running for mayor, because I believe I can contribute really good analysis that everyone can discuss, and I will help make a final decision. " Do it.I believe the same thing about myself. How is it irrelevant that I can help the town immensely as mayor? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard : / So you criticize my townie play, without knowing that i'm bad or good at townie. ok Its irrelevant being mayor. Please, read my post. I clearly say "but do you need to be mayor? THEREFORE, the point is irrelevant" regarding the election. And I don't make a final judgement on your play, whether townie or mafia, but your arguments against me are poor, and rightly so given I have done no wrong. If I have, point it out, and see I have done nothing malicious.
No it's not irrelevant because my being mayor greatly improves my ability to help the town out.
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hey uh
when is the election over? when is day 1 over?
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On October 30 2010 11:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 11:52 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:46 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 11:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 11:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:25 Pandain wrote:Me:I've already said mayors should obviously be involved in town circles Dr: H You also just said it could be very useful for the mayor to be in such a circle and now you say "what use is the circle at all!"
Dr: H(previous)You never implied I was operating solely in secret? You can't bury your very obvious statements Pandain, no matter how bad you want to diffuse this argument. Dr. H(after)You did not say I was solely operating in secret I want DTS checking Dr. H, at the very least if he's mafia it will force them to elect him godfather(which would probably be the best move anyway) Good job pointing out nothing again Pandain. I am saying you implied I was operating solely in secret. I quoted bolded and red'd the part where you implied that (to my interpretation). I never ever once said you literally used the same words. This is bad wordplay and it does nothing but discredit me for no reason It seems like you are trying to say "the circle is a good thing and should be taken advantage of" and "the circle is a bad thing and should be feared" at the same time. Your rhetoric throughout the game seems to me to be emphasizing the latter. In case you are arguing because you are confused by what I mean, since it seems you are wholly misinterpeting and twisting my words, I will explain Yes,the circle is a good thing. It is an incredible asset to town and should be used wisely. However, it is also to be feared. A circle is not a group of confirmed townies, in this game it is merely a group of people who can pm(since only Dr. H would be confirmed.) Alright, so great, you become mayor, and the only thing that happens is you become confirmed. I can confirm myself as well. But as it stands, either you are mafia again or this is your first time as townie. I know your very expierenced and beast as mafia but as of now your arguments just don't have substance. Your scum hunting just isn't on radar. And that's why I'm running for mayor, because I believe I can contribute really good analysis that everyone can discuss, and I will help make a final decision. Pms and town circles in this game imo should only be used for stuff a blue can't say in thread or risk being killed(aka dt checks and finds scum.) Besides that, it is wholly unconfirmed. OK, so you don't think it's useless. KK "Alright, so great, you become mayor, and the only thing that happens is you become confirmed. I can confirm myself as well." Nope, my role has a second ability which can be used to coordinate blue action and stop the plague. That helps the town immensely. But do you need to be mayor? So this point is irrelevant " But as it stands, either you are mafia again or this is your first time as townie. " As opposed to a non existent third option? Ya, theres no third party, I've explained why earlier "Your scum hunting just isn't on radar. " You're doing the same thing NB is doing. You're basically saying "Dr.H is no good as a townie" when I have never been a townie in the past. So I assume you are basing that in my scumhunting in this game and I can't say I agree. Mind telling me what targets are better? I don't know if your no good as townie. I do know that I'm not mafia(lol what good is saying that though :p) so your off there. I'll post analysis tommorow on people. Hopefuly we get more posts by then. " And that's why I'm running for mayor, because I believe I can contribute really good analysis that everyone can discuss, and I will help make a final decision. " Do it.I believe the same thing about myself. How is it irrelevant that I can help the town immensely as mayor? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard : / So you criticize my townie play, without knowing that i'm bad or good at townie. ok Its irrelevant being mayor. Please, read my post. I clearly say "but do you need to be mayor? THEREFORE, the point is irrelevant" regarding the election. And I don't make a final judgement on your play, whether townie or mafia, but your arguments against me are poor, and rightly so given I have done no wrong. If I have, point it out, and see I have done nothing malicious. No it's not irrelevant because my being mayor greatly improves my ability to help the town out.
How. Does your role say "if mayor my powers increase 10x"
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On October 30 2010 11:59 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 11:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:52 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:46 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 11:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 11:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:25 Pandain wrote:Me:I've already said mayors should obviously be involved in town circles Dr: H You also just said it could be very useful for the mayor to be in such a circle and now you say "what use is the circle at all!"
Dr: H(previous)You never implied I was operating solely in secret? You can't bury your very obvious statements Pandain, no matter how bad you want to diffuse this argument. Dr. H(after)You did not say I was solely operating in secret I want DTS checking Dr. H, at the very least if he's mafia it will force them to elect him godfather(which would probably be the best move anyway) Good job pointing out nothing again Pandain. I am saying you implied I was operating solely in secret. I quoted bolded and red'd the part where you implied that (to my interpretation). I never ever once said you literally used the same words. This is bad wordplay and it does nothing but discredit me for no reason It seems like you are trying to say "the circle is a good thing and should be taken advantage of" and "the circle is a bad thing and should be feared" at the same time. Your rhetoric throughout the game seems to me to be emphasizing the latter. In case you are arguing because you are confused by what I mean, since it seems you are wholly misinterpeting and twisting my words, I will explain Yes,the circle is a good thing. It is an incredible asset to town and should be used wisely. However, it is also to be feared. A circle is not a group of confirmed townies, in this game it is merely a group of people who can pm(since only Dr. H would be confirmed.) Alright, so great, you become mayor, and the only thing that happens is you become confirmed. I can confirm myself as well. But as it stands, either you are mafia again or this is your first time as townie. I know your very expierenced and beast as mafia but as of now your arguments just don't have substance. Your scum hunting just isn't on radar. And that's why I'm running for mayor, because I believe I can contribute really good analysis that everyone can discuss, and I will help make a final decision. Pms and town circles in this game imo should only be used for stuff a blue can't say in thread or risk being killed(aka dt checks and finds scum.) Besides that, it is wholly unconfirmed. OK, so you don't think it's useless. KK "Alright, so great, you become mayor, and the only thing that happens is you become confirmed. I can confirm myself as well." Nope, my role has a second ability which can be used to coordinate blue action and stop the plague. That helps the town immensely. But do you need to be mayor? So this point is irrelevant " But as it stands, either you are mafia again or this is your first time as townie. " As opposed to a non existent third option? Ya, theres no third party, I've explained why earlier "Your scum hunting just isn't on radar. " You're doing the same thing NB is doing. You're basically saying "Dr.H is no good as a townie" when I have never been a townie in the past. So I assume you are basing that in my scumhunting in this game and I can't say I agree. Mind telling me what targets are better? I don't know if your no good as townie. I do know that I'm not mafia(lol what good is saying that though :p) so your off there. I'll post analysis tommorow on people. Hopefuly we get more posts by then. " And that's why I'm running for mayor, because I believe I can contribute really good analysis that everyone can discuss, and I will help make a final decision. " Do it.I believe the same thing about myself. How is it irrelevant that I can help the town immensely as mayor? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard : / So you criticize my townie play, without knowing that i'm bad or good at townie. ok Its irrelevant being mayor. Please, read my post. I clearly say "but do you need to be mayor? THEREFORE, the point is irrelevant" regarding the election. And I don't make a final judgement on your play, whether townie or mafia, but your arguments against me are poor, and rightly so given I have done no wrong. If I have, point it out, and see I have done nothing malicious. No it's not irrelevant because my being mayor greatly improves my ability to help the town out. How. Does your role say "if mayor my powers increase 10x"
does yours?
obviously immunity at night would improve my ability to coordinate in the open, don't be stupid
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On October 30 2010 11:46 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 11:28 Fishball wrote:On October 30 2010 11:14 ghrur wrote:On October 30 2010 11:06 Fishball wrote:On October 30 2010 10:50 Pandain wrote:
but I'm saying we should put an emphasis on debate in the forums rather than in a "divine secret council of pmers".
I know it's not directed at me, but I'm just quoting your post since you're the latest one to say something similar. Seems like a lot of people are getting this impression of the circle, which I've explained quite a few times, that's not exactly what I will make it to be. With DT checks viable to the Mayor, I even offered to kill myself and release as much information to the public to prove it. (Seeing that many other information have sunk into the vast ocean of posts, this is not surprising) It's also quite amusing, most of the people that argue against the "crazy secrecy of the circle", or just me in general "not being transparent" etc., never brings up these posts I've said. Keep in mind I was the first one to come up with such a claim. Fake or not, that's not the point and is for another debate, but I AM being transparent here. Here's what you said: On October 30 2010 03:40 Fishball wrote:
If town wants to play it safe, a quick alternate scenario I can think of is to let me roll and try to gather as much information as I can for a few cycles. I then may or may not announce the remaining members, and release whatever information I can (depending on situation), and have myself lynched to prove my role and alignment. While that's great, we don't know the specifics of "a few cycles." We also don't know how much we can afford to even have this secret circle run for 2-3 rounds if it's being manipulated by: A. an experienced player like yourself B. One with a massive amount of starting information if you were mafia AND C. A mafia member. Also, I don't trust this in the future crap. If things happen like they did in either Mafia XXXI or Haunted Mafia, town quickly forgets about current accusations and bandwagons a lot >_<. Therefore, you could simply being saying this without the intention of doing it at all knowing that mafia will soon wreak havoc (especially if you were mafia and got into the mayor position and are in the secret circle). Finally, we don't know whether or not you would release ALL the information. In fact, there's no way of knowing that. You could maybe release 1/2 your pms, or 1/3 of your pms and we wouldn't be able to tell. I don't even trust that ploy despite you trying to be a martyr to curb our suspicions of you. =/ This is the type of response I appreciate. Nothing is set. Basically what I'm trying to say is, I don't know how the game would progress. Few cycles, could be as few as one, as much as the entire duration of the game. It's not my call, but the Towns to decide if they need to kill me or not and when to kill me. This is not martyrdom, but as one of the few ways, as a last resort to prove myself and the information I provide, if necessary. Yes, town has a tendency to be confused and be distracted based on previous games, but since you brought this up, you can very well keep this on your top priority list and constantly remind the town of this option. As for releasing information, I specially never used the term "all information". You can check my posts in this thread. Let's assume a scenario. We have a confirmed DT/Medic or the sort in the group. I'm about to get lynched to prove my other claims, whatever it may be. Would it be wise to release who in the group has what role to the public now? The answer is most likely no. It really depends on the situation at that time, and this would be my judgment call. But why does this matters anyways? If I only released half of the information I've got, died and was revealed as a Townie, then my motives can only be good. But see, that's just it. We don't know when to kill you because we don't know how much information you have. You wouldn't want to kill yourself if you were mafia. We don't know how much info you would give us... at all. Nor if it'd be real or fake. Idk, I just think you'd be much better off as a normal role. This way, if you were town, you'd reveal your information anyway and can be medic protected. If you were mafia, we'd still have a ton of information to analyze and a lot less chance of being heavily manipulated by your role.
I've pretty much answer that in the reply you quoted. It is totally up to the consensus of Town.
But one thing I think you might be misunderstanding. I never said I'm only releasing information only when I die. I'll always share as much as I can, when I can, hence being "transparent". People can ask me questions, and I'll do my best to answer them. This was something I've said I would do from the very beginning. If you want me to elaborate even more on this in detail, I can, but hopefully you get what I'm saying.
It's Friday night and close to Halloween... I'm tired and I want to go out for booze 
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Well I think I should be mayor. I know i just joined the game and stuff but i can confirm my role and i could organize stuff much better than everyone else!. [Insert more standard nonsense here]
I'll be voting for myself until someone proves me they deserve my vote. What i've seen is not enough atm and I don't want to be modkilled for not voting lol
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To be honest, I do think all this debating is getting quite stupid and going in circles.
Most of my replies have been mentioned before and it's just repeat and repeat.
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On October 30 2010 12:05 Fishball wrote:
To be honest, I do think all this debating is getting quite stupid and going in circles.
Most of my replies have been mentioned before and it's just repeat and repeat.
You never really answered this for me sufficently. Can you?
Here's the thing, I don't see why you have to be mayor for this circle if you have medic protection. I've already said I think the circle is a very good thing to have and we should use it to our advantage, but focusing around that will be very hard since there's a chance there might not be any mafia at all! What, are we going to check all 6 people? That's going to take way too long. I'm just confused about how you would go about that, if you could clarify.
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On October 30 2010 12:05 Fishball wrote:
To be honest, I do think all this debating is getting quite stupid and going in circles.
Most of my replies have been mentioned before and it's just repeat and repeat.
Agreed.
I think it would be a good idea for all mayoral candidates to restate their platform without attacking anybody else. It might clarify a lot of things and it would give everyone a chance to say exactly what they mean without it being twisted by mafia discreditors
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On October 30 2010 12:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 12:05 Fishball wrote:
To be honest, I do think all this debating is getting quite stupid and going in circles.
Most of my replies have been mentioned before and it's just repeat and repeat.
Agreed. I think it would be a good idea for all mayoral candidates to restate their platform without attacking anybody else. It might clarify a lot of things and it would give everyone a chance to say exactly what they mean without it being twisted by mafia discreditors
Agreed as well. yay for good election decorum!!!!!!!!!!!!
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so we have 3 main candidates: Panda, dish, doctor... Who of you will promise to protect me from scums? :3
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On October 30 2010 12:13 NB wrote:
so we have 3 main candidates: Panda, dish, doctor... Who of you will promise to protect me from scums? :3
you're my number one suspect so not me lol
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my platform is "i want bodyguards, i think my role is great for bodyguard protection"
but i am obviously not winning this one.
i dont necessarily believe drh yet, but i do not want to vote pandain because he lied, as a town, in haunted and i really dont understand that play whatsoever. if he lies as town why mayor him up?
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On October 30 2010 12:13 NB wrote:
so we have 3 main candidates: Panda, dish, doctor... Who of you will promise to protect me from scums? :3
I will protect you as i can't be killed during the game!. I will always be there for you! Vote for me!
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On October 30 2010 12:14 annul wrote:
my platform is "i want bodyguards, i think my role is great for bodyguard protection"
but i am obviously not winning this one.
i dont necessarily believe drh yet, but i do not want to vote pandain because he lied, as a town, in haunted and i really dont understand that play whatsoever. if he lies as town why mayor him up?
I lie when its neccesary. In that game I was goofing around because I got townie for like the 7th time. But even then, I managed to lead the town on a good direction until I died. Fortunately, this game I actually have a role! Also I'm getting sleepy and when I get sleepy I spam so sorry and won't post till morning. 'Night all.
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On October 30 2010 12:16 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 12:13 NB wrote:
so we have 3 main candidates: Panda, dish, doctor... Who of you will promise to protect me from scums? :3 I will protect you as i can't be killed during the game!. I will always be there for you! Vote for me!
wait, WHAT?
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On October 30 2010 12:18 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 12:16 Glasse wrote:On October 30 2010 12:13 NB wrote:
so we have 3 main candidates: Panda, dish, doctor... Who of you will promise to protect me from scums? :3 I will protect you as i can't be killed during the game!. I will always be there for you! Vote for me! wait, WHAT?
You heard it, even god would not be able to kill me!
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On October 30 2010 11:58 annul wrote:
hey uh
when is the election over? when is day 1 over?
0:00CET/07:00KST/18:00EST tomorrow.
In <19 hours
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