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Glasse
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DoctorHelvetica
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 30 2010 13:09 Glasse wrote: Still though, glasse is the best choice, considering there are no good voting choices would you like to back up that statement or is this thread your toilet at this point | ||
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Glasse
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On October 29 2010 18:36 kingjames01 wrote: Is a person who has been visited by the Plague Doctor gain immunity for the remainder of the game? I decided to play this game from the beginning as though everyone was mafia but me. DrH supposed role is "Sticky" On October 30 2010 11:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Oh, I see. The name of the role is Sticky. You can see earlier that I used the word sticky to try to see if Node had the same role as me. As far as making it up, that would be the worst mafia play in the history of mafia. Again like I said (this is the millionth time now) In order to fake this role I have to out a scumbuddy every single day, who has to lie, putting pressure on an increasing amount of mafia. I would also have to fake the second part of my role, which would be impossible to do since the results are objective and not able to be manipulated. DrH, you've been mafia MANY times before as you've said. You, better than anyone, should know that is not the ONLY way to fake this role. Everyone, consider this scenario. The mafia share the names and abilities of their individual roles with the group. DrH claims the name and abilities of one of his mafia teammates, ie. "Sticky". He gets elected mayor during the day and then at night, he gets elected Godfather. As Godfather, he chooses to appear as "Sticky" to any detective checks. At night, the real "Sticky" does whatever "Stickies" are supposed to do. When day breaks, DrH claims responsibility so we start to believe him more. We go along with his scheming and then we lose. He's given us this description of his role but it doesn't assuage my hesitations. On October 30 2010 12:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: My platform or why I'm running for mayor Simply,I have a role which can do two things: confirm itself to another player at night and help to stop the spread of murrayitis. The first ability will confirm I am who I say I am to the town, if used correctly, and the second will limit the mafia from using the plague to achieve their win condition. I will not allow poor bandwagons and mafia manipulation to influence my decisions and I offer coordination powers that are uncorruptable. How exactly does your role work? How WILL we know that you're legitimately town? What if you pretend to use your "ability" and another Red says, "Hey, DrH came to me in my dreams and now I KNOW he's Blue." What I want from DrH is to convince me that this is not the case. If he cannot provide that, he will not get my vote. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 30 2010 13:12 Glasse wrote: Just stating, in a weird way, that you have no credibility to me. ok would you like to back that statement up or are you just going to keep saying meaningless nonsense | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 30 2010 13:12 kingjames01 wrote: Okay, I think that my previous question got lost in the thread. Can anyone answer this for me? I decided to play this game from the beginning as though everyone was mafia but me. DrH supposed role is "Sticky" DrH, you've been mafia MANY times before as you've said. You, better than anyone, should know that is not the ONLY way to fake this role. Everyone, consider this scenario. The mafia share the names and abilities of their individual roles with the group. DrH claims the name and abilities of one of his mafia teammates, ie. "Sticky". He gets elected mayor during the day and then at night, he gets elected Godfather. As Godfather, he chooses to appear as "Sticky" to any detective checks. At night, the real "Sticky" does whatever "Stickies" are supposed to do. When day breaks, DrH claims responsibility so we start to believe him more. We go along with his scheming and then we lose. He's given us this description of his role but it doesn't assuage my hesitations. How exactly does your role work? How WILL we know that you're legitimately town? What if you pretend to use your "ability" and another Red says, "Hey, DrH came to me in my dreams and now I KNOW he's Blue." What I want from DrH is to convince me that this is not the case. If he cannot provide that, he will not get my vote. I cannot have a scumbuddy do the actions of my role since the role confirms my identity to a player I choose at night. By having scumbuddies claim I confirmed to them at night, I am essentially forced to constantly our the identities of my own scumbuddies. A disastrous play if I were to be lynched and flip red. Basically the person I confirm to will know it was me who confirmed to them. Artanis will send the PM to them, it can't be faked. The other aspect of my ability is to determine who does and doesn't have murrayitis. As I'm sure you can tell this would be crucial in coordinating plague doctors. But Dr.H, mafia will know who has murrayitis? Correct. But why would I have someone infected with murrayitis then tell the plague doctor to cure them? That's is ridiculous play, to constantly nullify your own night actions for the sake of innocence. I believe the fact that I would have to out my entire team over the course of the game proves it won't be a mafia fake. I will claim every single time I confirm to someone. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
just wondering.. obviously hes just fucking around. | ||
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
On October 30 2010 13:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ok would you like to back that statement up or are you just going to keep saying meaningless nonsense All you said did not prove anything. There is nothing to believe. You could of easily made everything up. Also your role does not make any sense, those 2 different actions you can do are not linked together at all, and the name sticky doesn't sound right for it either. I guess i can't really back it up but all the nonsense i said earlier meant as much as everything you said about why you should be mayor. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 30 2010 13:18 Glasse wrote: All you said did not prove anything. There is nothing to believe. You could of easily made everything up. Also your role does not make any sense, those 2 different actions you can do are not linked together at all, and the name sticky doesn't sound right for it either. I guess i can't really back it up but all the nonsense i said earlier meant as much as everything you said about why you should be mayor. They are linked together. No it didn't. I can prove my role is what it is. You can't. You're saying I can't prove anything and that I can make it all up. Why don't you refute the points I make here: On October 30 2010 11:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I can understand why people maybe don't want me to be mayor over fishball but trying to paint me as scum is ludicrous. Let's say I am mafia. I am faking a role in which I confirm my role to another player each night. To fake this I must get another mafia to pretend that I did this each day, who would probably be DT checked immediately throwing me under suspicion. I don't want to say exactly how my second ability works but I can reliably show my powers in helping to stop the spread of the plague. Faking this would be much quicker. It would be incredibly easy to catch me in this lie and since the results of my actions are reflected in the murrayitis numbers and the success of plague doctors, it isn't really something I can pull off. I am offering myself for lynch if the information I'm giving is found to be unreliable. So as mafia here, I'm sacrificing myself. my scumbuddies, and making claims that I cannot fulfill. An utterly retarded thing to do. Not to mention the fact that being mayor barely benefits mafia in this case. The only real benefit is immunity to vig hits and the second vote. In a normal mafia game, the mayor has 3 extra votes, complete immunity from night actions. A DT can check the mayor for godssake. So for me to pull this off all of the following are true: I am mafia I am godfather I can get the mafia to pretend I am confirming to them without ever being caught I can fake a role that involves stopping the spread of murrayitis which isn't a possibility. Consider all of that for the benefit a mafia player would be going for: extra vote immunity to vigs and also weight the con a mafia has from being mayor: guaranteed DT visit immense pressure/scrutiny from town it really is nonsensical, added to the fact that I can prove my role is what I say it is after the night, there is really nothing here to paint me as scum. If it's made up bullshit, and thats what you believe, then I'm handing you my life and the lives of my scumbuddies on a plate. I mean specifically, with logic and reason. Don't just say "well you can make that all up" because that's not a real argument and you can toss that kind of bullshit onto anybody. It isn't a real argument. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On October 29 2010 18:36 kingjames01 wrote: Is a person who has been visited by the Plague Doctor gain immunity for the remainder of the game? If the plauge doctor is able to administer the vaccine, the person will gain imunnity for the remainder of the game Any more questions I missed? Feel free to PM me to remind me | ||
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
1. If DrH is mafia, it will be able to tell. He provides so much about his role that its impossible to retract, or even fit under the role while being mafia. If we believe everything that DrH said, he is able to coordinate town. Although he may not be able to PM, if there is a role that allows for the extension of PMing (masons?), he can coordinate even better. It might even be good that DrH can't PM- everything he does will be done in this thread, and he can be closely examined. (The only concern I have is that DrH is pretty good at manipulation- but I feel that he won't be able to backtrack what he said, and it will be easy to find inconsistencies in his posts) 2. There may as well be a doctor (or even better, a plague doctor) in the circle to protect him, which will basically provide the same thing as bodyguards. If Fishball is mafia, he already has a lot of power. He can manipulate the circle probably really easily, esp since according to him, the majority is inactive, and if they decide to come back, it is easy for them just to listen to Fishball and do whatever he says. We don't know what Fishball can do. He claims his role is of utmost importance, but isn't able to tell us what that role actually is. 3. I feel that Pandain won't be able to provide anything as mayor. He hasn't put out a plan yet; and probably can't do anything proactive with his role. As people stated earlier, Pandain is transparent. Which is good to check on Pandain, but would be a waste of a Mayor. Hes not the best scum hunter I've ever known... I'll leave it like that. The only reason I'd even consider voting for Pandain is if I was a super afraid person of experienced players that are mafia taking the mayor role. People I'm concerned with: Coagulation- I don't think I've read a good post by him yet. Glasse- comes out of nowhere, and states that he can't be killed? And tries to take the mayor role? Why would anyone with the role of being not able to be killed want even more protection? Ace- Well, I don't really have anything against him. It's just that I've never seen him play, but I've heard hes good and hes a veteran player- so I'm wary. Circle Claiming- I don't think the circle should claim to the thread yet; I don't really think I have a reason on this, except that I feel that its risky. If this circle is pure town- its the only form of communication town has that is known right now. Giving mafia the members makes it easy to break the circle up. One thing to consider though- It's very likely that mafia is in this circle, so other mafia will know who is in this circle and what they are talking about. This gives an advantage to the mafia. The mafia knows whos in the circle and the town doesn't, that sets the town really behind because the town won't know who is able to PM etc. Hopefully this is enough to only have 1 post today (in real life time)... | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
On October 30 2010 13:12 kingjames01 wrote: Okay, I think that my previous question got lost in the thread. Can anyone answer this for me? I decided to play this game from the beginning as though everyone was mafia but me. DrH supposed role is "Sticky" DrH, you've been mafia MANY times before as you've said. You, better than anyone, should know that is not the ONLY way to fake this role. Everyone, consider this scenario. The mafia share the names and abilities of their individual roles with the group. DrH claims the name and abilities of one of his mafia teammates, ie. "Sticky". He gets elected mayor during the day and then at night, he gets elected Godfather. As Godfather, he chooses to appear as "Sticky" to any detective checks. At night, the real "Sticky" does whatever "Stickies" are supposed to do. When day breaks, DrH claims responsibility so we start to believe him more. We go along with his scheming and then we lose. He's given us this description of his role but it doesn't assuage my hesitations. How exactly does your role work? How WILL we know that you're legitimately town? What if you pretend to use your "ability" and another Red says, "Hey, DrH came to me in my dreams and now I KNOW he's Blue." What I want from DrH is to convince me that this is not the case. If he cannot provide that, he will not get my vote. Kingjames raises a lot of valid points. DrH, you're avoiding his answers and just focusing on Glasse, who's obviously an idiot. What is your response to KingJames' comments? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
Oh, the window was open for far too long... On October 30 2010 13:23 Misder wrote: Giving mafia the members makes it easy to break the circle up. Mafia will know who's in the circle. It will only benefit the town if the circle members reveal their involvement. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On October 30 2010 06:10 Pandain wrote: Alright this is pretty bad for town. Alot of people would be alot safer if everyone didn't decide to run for mayor because they need "protection." because honestly, the best protection is secrecy. Now only one of us will win the election, and the rest of us will be sniped off. Also, Bum, whats with anyone but me? I'd like to hear your reasons instead of just words. Merely because you havent hinted at what you could do besides be a mayor. I think every candidate has stated what he is capable of. You, not really... On October 30 2010 10:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: top medic targets should be: ace bumatlarge fishball Dangerous to be suggesting these things with M-rus around, but I will get to that. + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2010 12:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: My platform or why I'm running for mayor Simply,I have a role which can do two things: confirm itself to another player at night and help to stop the spread of murrayitis. The first ability will confirm I am who I say I am to the town, if used correctly, and the second will limit the mafia from using the plague to achieve their win condition. I will not allow poor bandwagons and mafia manipulation to influence my decisions and I offer coordination powers that are uncorruptable. So why is it important that you're mayor? I can't coordinate blues and plague doctors if I'm dead. It's also very beneficial to the town to have a mayor that can confirm himself as blue, doubly so if he can be inducted into a town circle. After I am confirmed to be not mafia and am immune to night kills, by being inducted into the circle I can do two things: 1. coordinate blues in the circle further and use myself as a mouthpiece for their communication in the thread. 2. keep an eye on suspicious activity within the circle and relay this information to the town. If I'm not inducted into the circle, I can still easily coordinate doctor action within the thread itself. How can I be sure you are town? + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2010 11:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I can understand why people maybe don't want me to be mayor over fishball but trying to paint me as scum is ludicrous. Let's say I am mafia. I am faking a role in which I confirm my role to another player each night. To fake this I must get another mafia to pretend that I did this each day, who would probably be DT checked immediately throwing me under suspicion. I don't want to say exactly how my second ability works but I can reliably show my powers in helping to stop the spread of the plague. Faking this would be much quicker. It would be incredibly easy to catch me in this lie and since the results of my actions are reflected in the murrayitis numbers and the success of plague doctors, it isn't really something I can pull off. I am offering myself for lynch if the information I'm giving is found to be unreliable. So as mafia here, I'm sacrificing myself. my scumbuddies, and making claims that I cannot fulfill. An utterly retarded thing to do. Not to mention the fact that being mayor barely benefits mafia in this case. The only real benefit is immunity to vig hits and the second vote. In a normal mafia game, the mayor has 3 extra votes, complete immunity from night actions. A DT can check the mayor for godssake. So for me to pull this off all of the following are true: I am mafia I am godfather I can get the mafia to pretend I am confirming to them without ever being caught I can fake a role that involves stopping the spread of murrayitis which isn't a possibility. Consider all of that for the benefit a mafia player would be going for: extra vote immunity to vigs and also weight the con a mafia has from being mayor: guaranteed DT visit immense pressure/scrutiny from town it really is nonsensical, added to the fact that I can prove my role is what I say it is after the night, there is really nothing here to paint me as scum. If it's made up bullshit, and thats what you believe, then I'm handing you my life and the lives of my scumbuddies on a plate. I'm not a good neighbor. I can not be confirmed by Artanis to be town aligned. However it's as simple as this: 1. I can show my power to the town that is consistent with the role I claimed 2. The nature of the role itself is one that is expressly anti-mafia which can also be demonstrated. Ok. What do you offer aside from your role? I don't like the idea of someone campaigning on their role alone. Independence. A lot of mayors talk about how they're "with the town" and "they'll act for the town" and things like this. This is the opposite of what the mayor should do. With a mayor who is confirmed to be town aligned, acting independently is important to avoid the prevalence of mafia bandwagons. Mafia have the full voting power of their membership. If they are able to manipulate the mayor as well, they can add an additional 2 votes to their poor bandwagon. Having a mayor who doesn't take things at face value and get manipulated by mafia bandwagons is very important. 2 people have already criticized my scumhunting as being bad (even though I've never been townie before so they can't really base it on anything) but I can tell you it isn't. I've been mafia every single game I've been in and I know how the play. I've been a scum mayor before and I know how they play and what they do. I know what gets under the mafias skin. I have a plan for going about scumhunting and it isn't always obvious. But it's something I'm doing constantly and when I feel I'm ready to lay down the hammer of justice, I will. And I will always provide the utmost amount of reason and logic to everything I do. None of my actions will go unexplained, at the end of the day. So that's why I'm running and that's why I feel you should vote for me. Choose wisely town :3 I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die. Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On October 13 2010 13:02 BrownBear wrote: Night 3 It was a dark and stormy night. The survivors huddled in the ruins of their houses, shivering, makeshift weapons pointed at the doors. Bill Murray had found a pointy stick. It was his favorite pointy stick. He had named it Sticky. Thunder crashed in the distance as he shivered in his bed, Sticky pointed directly at the door, pointy end first. The door creaked open. Bill Murray leaped up and screamed "PROTECT ME, STICKY!!!", then charged at the door, Sticky first. Bill Murray the Miller is now dead. Anybody have any ideas how this is related to DrH's role? Maybe if we can figure that out we can confirm/deny DrH's claims. | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On October 30 2010 13:12 kingjames01 wrote: Everyone, consider this scenario. The mafia share the names and abilities of their individual roles with the group. DrH claims the name and abilities of one of his mafia teammates, ie. "Sticky". He gets elected mayor during the day and then at night, he gets elected Godfather. As Godfather, he chooses to appear as "Sticky" to any detective checks. At night, the real "Sticky" does whatever "Stickies" are supposed to do. When day breaks, DrH claims responsibility so we start to believe him more. We go along with his scheming and then we lose. I'm pretty sure that situation is moot, because it assumes sticky is a scumbuddy. In that case, sticky's role is a red role, and DrH claiming responsibility for sticky's actions would just draw a lynch. I hope I understood you right. The only way this would work is if he knew someone was sticky, could ensure that person's protection indefinitely, AND knew exactly what the sticky role entails. >_> | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
On October 30 2010 13:31 bumatlarge wrote: Merely because you havent hinted at what you could do besides be a mayor. I think every candidate has stated what he is capable of. You, not really... Dangerous to be suggesting these things with M-rus around, but I will get to that. + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2010 12:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: My platform or why I'm running for mayor Simply,I have a role which can do two things: confirm itself to another player at night and help to stop the spread of murrayitis. The first ability will confirm I am who I say I am to the town, if used correctly, and the second will limit the mafia from using the plague to achieve their win condition. I will not allow poor bandwagons and mafia manipulation to influence my decisions and I offer coordination powers that are uncorruptable. So why is it important that you're mayor? I can't coordinate blues and plague doctors if I'm dead. It's also very beneficial to the town to have a mayor that can confirm himself as blue, doubly so if he can be inducted into a town circle. After I am confirmed to be not mafia and am immune to night kills, by being inducted into the circle I can do two things: 1. coordinate blues in the circle further and use myself as a mouthpiece for their communication in the thread. 2. keep an eye on suspicious activity within the circle and relay this information to the town. If I'm not inducted into the circle, I can still easily coordinate doctor action within the thread itself. How can I be sure you are town? + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2010 11:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I can understand why people maybe don't want me to be mayor over fishball but trying to paint me as scum is ludicrous. Let's say I am mafia. I am faking a role in which I confirm my role to another player each night. To fake this I must get another mafia to pretend that I did this each day, who would probably be DT checked immediately throwing me under suspicion. I don't want to say exactly how my second ability works but I can reliably show my powers in helping to stop the spread of the plague. Faking this would be much quicker. It would be incredibly easy to catch me in this lie and since the results of my actions are reflected in the murrayitis numbers and the success of plague doctors, it isn't really something I can pull off. I am offering myself for lynch if the information I'm giving is found to be unreliable. So as mafia here, I'm sacrificing myself. my scumbuddies, and making claims that I cannot fulfill. An utterly retarded thing to do. Not to mention the fact that being mayor barely benefits mafia in this case. The only real benefit is immunity to vig hits and the second vote. In a normal mafia game, the mayor has 3 extra votes, complete immunity from night actions. A DT can check the mayor for godssake. So for me to pull this off all of the following are true: I am mafia I am godfather I can get the mafia to pretend I am confirming to them without ever being caught I can fake a role that involves stopping the spread of murrayitis which isn't a possibility. Consider all of that for the benefit a mafia player would be going for: extra vote immunity to vigs and also weight the con a mafia has from being mayor: guaranteed DT visit immense pressure/scrutiny from town it really is nonsensical, added to the fact that I can prove my role is what I say it is after the night, there is really nothing here to paint me as scum. If it's made up bullshit, and thats what you believe, then I'm handing you my life and the lives of my scumbuddies on a plate. I'm not a good neighbor. I can not be confirmed by Artanis to be town aligned. However it's as simple as this: 1. I can show my power to the town that is consistent with the role I claimed 2. The nature of the role itself is one that is expressly anti-mafia which can also be demonstrated. Ok. What do you offer aside from your role? I don't like the idea of someone campaigning on their role alone. Independence. A lot of mayors talk about how they're "with the town" and "they'll act for the town" and things like this. This is the opposite of what the mayor should do. With a mayor who is confirmed to be town aligned, acting independently is important to avoid the prevalence of mafia bandwagons. Mafia have the full voting power of their membership. If they are able to manipulate the mayor as well, they can add an additional 2 votes to their poor bandwagon. Having a mayor who doesn't take things at face value and get manipulated by mafia bandwagons is very important. 2 people have already criticized my scumhunting as being bad (even though I've never been townie before so they can't really base it on anything) but I can tell you it isn't. I've been mafia every single game I've been in and I know how the play. I've been a scum mayor before and I know how they play and what they do. I know what gets under the mafias skin. I have a plan for going about scumhunting and it isn't always obvious. But it's something I'm doing constantly and when I feel I'm ready to lay down the hammer of justice, I will. And I will always provide the utmost amount of reason and logic to everything I do. None of my actions will go unexplained, at the end of the day. So that's why I'm running and that's why I feel you should vote for me. Choose wisely town :3 I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die. Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote. What you are suggesting is only possible if PMs are allowed in general. If you're suggesting DrH "give" you a bodyguard by posting the bodyguard's name on the thread, then you're just giving mafia more targets to choose from. | ||
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