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On October 30 2010 13:31 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 06:10 Pandain wrote:
Alright this is pretty bad for town. Alot of people would be alot safer if everyone didn't decide to run for mayor because they need "protection." because honestly, the best protection is secrecy. Now only one of us will win the election, and the rest of us will be sniped off.
Also, Bum, whats with anyone but me? I'd like to hear your reasons instead of just words. Merely because you havent hinted at what you could do besides be a mayor. I think every candidate has stated what he is capable of. You, not really...  Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:15 Pandain wrote:
sorry still reading but just to adress one vital concern.
I am very proactive. I will help the town, i've already decided what we should do if I'm elected so I might as well share it.
As of now, we need medics protecting several of the valuable blues that claimed to run. Sure, one may be a mafia but most likely the rest will be vital blues. So I think they should RNG between Dr. H, Fishball, and possibly Bum. And If i lose, then take out the winner and add me.
Right now I don't have any active thoughts because really its day 1. Anyone who says they really know whats going on is either mafia or wrong. Sure, you can get lucky every once in a while but unless someone truly scum slips it's going to be mostly a guessing game.
If you've seen any of my games, you'd know I'm very decisive. Anyway, still reading. top medic targets should be: ace bumatlarge fishball Dangerous to be suggesting these things with M-rus around, but I will get to that. + Show Spoiler +On October 30 2010 12:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:My platform or why I'm running for mayor Simply,I have a role which can do two things: confirm itself to another player at night and help to stop the spread of murrayitis. The first ability will confirm I am who I say I am to the town, if used correctly, and the second will limit the mafia from using the plague to achieve their win condition. I will not allow poor bandwagons and mafia manipulation to influence my decisions and I offer coordination powers that are uncorruptable.
So why is it important that you're mayor?
I can't coordinate blues and plague doctors if I'm dead. It's also very beneficial to the town to have a mayor that can confirm himself as blue, doubly so if he can be inducted into a town circle. After I am confirmed to be not mafia and am immune to night kills, by being inducted into the circle I can do two things: 1. coordinate blues in the circle further and use myself as a mouthpiece for their communication in the thread. 2. keep an eye on suspicious activity within the circle and relay this information to the town. If I'm not inducted into the circle, I can still easily coordinate doctor action within the thread itself.
How can I be sure you are town?
+ Show Spoiler +On October 30 2010 11:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I can understand why people maybe don't want me to be mayor over fishball but trying to paint me as scum is ludicrous.
Let's say I am mafia.
I am faking a role in which I confirm my role to another player each night. To fake this I must get another mafia to pretend that I did this each day, who would probably be DT checked immediately throwing me under suspicion.
I don't want to say exactly how my second ability works but I can reliably show my powers in helping to stop the spread of the plague. Faking this would be much quicker. It would be incredibly easy to catch me in this lie and since the results of my actions are reflected in the murrayitis numbers and the success of plague doctors, it isn't really something I can pull off.
I am offering myself for lynch if the information I'm giving is found to be unreliable. So as mafia here, I'm sacrificing myself. my scumbuddies, and making claims that I cannot fulfill.
An utterly retarded thing to do. Not to mention the fact that being mayor barely benefits mafia in this case. The only real benefit is immunity to vig hits and the second vote.
In a normal mafia game, the mayor has 3 extra votes, complete immunity from night actions. A DT can check the mayor for godssake.
So for me to pull this off all of the following are true:
I am mafia
I am godfather
I can get the mafia to pretend I am confirming to them without ever being caught
I can fake a role that involves stopping the spread of murrayitis which isn't a possibility.
Consider all of that for the benefit a mafia player would be going for:
extra vote
immunity to vigs
and also weight the con a mafia has from being mayor:
guaranteed DT visit
immense pressure/scrutiny from town
it really is nonsensical, added to the fact that I can prove my role is what I say it is after the night, there is really nothing here to paint me as scum. If it's made up bullshit, and thats what you believe, then I'm handing you my life and the lives of my scumbuddies on a plate. I'm not a good neighbor. I can not be confirmed by Artanis to be town aligned. However it's as simple as this: 1. I can show my power to the town that is consistent with the role I claimed 2. The nature of the role itself is one that is expressly anti-mafia which can also be demonstrated.
Ok. What do you offer aside from your role? I don't like the idea of someone campaigning on their role alone.
Independence. A lot of mayors talk about how they're "with the town" and "they'll act for the town" and things like this. This is the opposite of what the mayor should do. With a mayor who is confirmed to be town aligned, acting independently is important to avoid the prevalence of mafia bandwagons. Mafia have the full voting power of their membership. If they are able to manipulate the mayor as well, they can add an additional 2 votes to their poor bandwagon. Having a mayor who doesn't take things at face value and get manipulated by mafia bandwagons is very important. 2 people have already criticized my scumhunting as being bad (even though I've never been townie before so they can't really base it on anything) but I can tell you it isn't. I've been mafia every single game I've been in and I know how the play. I've been a scum mayor before and I know how they play and what they do. I know what gets under the mafias skin. I have a plan for going about scumhunting and it isn't always obvious. But it's something I'm doing constantly and when I feel I'm ready to lay down the hammer of justice, I will. And I will always provide the utmost amount of reason and logic to everything I do. None of my actions will go unexplained, at the end of the day. So that's why I'm running and that's why I feel you should vote for me. Choose wisely town :3 I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die. Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote.
I am not plague doctor. I can not cure murrayitis, I can determine 100% who has it. Thus I can direct plague doctors to act reliably.
I might as well say how my power works. Once during the night I can poke someone. They will be informed that they were poked by me. Artanis sends this PM. If the poke is successful, I am told and this means they do not have M-rus. A person with M-rus cannot be poked and I will be told by Artanis that they have murrayitis.
This is why earlier in the thread (much earlier) i said there was a 1/39 chance my confirmation would fail.
Also I am completely immune to M-Rus, I can not be infected with it under any circumstance.
Plague doctors should not protect me. This will free up more doctors to protect more people. By giving me immunity from night kills, medics won't have to waste their time on me, even though I'm a big target to mafia, and they can play more effectively.
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On October 30 2010 13:31 kingjames01 wrote:I just want to point out that Sticky is the name of the stick that Bill Murray used to defend himself when the mafia took him out in Mafia XXXI. I don't think that is a coincidence since a major theme of this game is Bill Murray. Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 13:02 BrownBear wrote:Night 3 It was a dark and stormy night. The survivors huddled in the ruins of their houses, shivering, makeshift weapons pointed at the doors. Bill Murray had found a pointy stick. It was his favorite pointy stick. He had named it Sticky. Thunder crashed in the distance as he shivered in his bed, Sticky pointed directly at the door, pointy end first.
The door creaked open. Bill Murray leaped up and screamed "PROTECT ME, STICKY!!!", then charged at the door, Sticky first.Bill Murray the Miller is now dead. Anybody have any ideas how this is related to DrH's role? Maybe if we can figure that out we can confirm/deny DrH's claims.
I can't directly quote a role PM but the idea is that "I gained life from Bill Murrays death"
Although I doubt there is a clue in the death post from a separate game. That seems really far fetched. I forgot about that post hahaha I guess the name makes sense now. Since my action is called "poking" it would make sense since a stick pokes people.
Looks like my role makes sense now Glasse, sorry bro.
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also m-rus does not kill people the night after afaik, but if half the town is infected mafia win.
can artanis confirm this?
this post is @bumatlarge who claimed it was dangerous to come out with a medic list. i disagree becuase it doesn't matter who gets infected with m-rus but how reliable myself and the plague doctors are in identifying the targets
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 30 2010 13:26 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:12 kingjames01 wrote:Okay, I think that my previous question got lost in the thread. Can anyone answer this for me? On October 29 2010 18:36 kingjames01 wrote:
Is a person who has been visited by the Plague Doctor gain immunity for the remainder of the game?
I decided to play this game from the beginning as though everyone was mafia but me. DrH supposed role is "Sticky" On October 30 2010 11:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:27 Glasse wrote:On October 30 2010 11:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:23 Glasse wrote:On October 30 2010 09:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
My role has two basic abilities:
-to confirm itself to another player at night. basically I can send a signal to another player once per night that confirms I am the role I say I am.
-to assist in stopping the spread of the plague. i will use this role to reliably coordinate the night actions of plague doctors and the results will show in the murrayitis counts.
Both of these actions can be proven, they have results that cannot be faked.
Secondly, (more like the hundred time I've said this and people don't listen)
So whats the name of your role, i'm curious Does it matter? It seems strange that you would want to know. I guess it would do no harm to tell, it wouldn't reveal the exact nature of my powers, which I won't go into extreme detail on just yet. I'm not sure I should say. Maybe there is a role that knows all the roles in the game? And you're trying to confirm I am who I say I am? Maybe this is some kinda weird mafia fishing attempt? I'll think about it. Sounds more like you just made shit up and can't think of a name that fits the description you gave. Oh, I see. The name of the role is Sticky. You can see earlier that I used the word sticky to try to see if Node had the same role as me. As far as making it up, that would be the worst mafia play in the history of mafia. Again like I said (this is the millionth time now) In order to fake this role I have to out a scumbuddy every single day, who has to lie, putting pressure on an increasing amount of mafia. I would also have to fake the second part of my role, which would be impossible to do since the results are objective and not able to be manipulated. DrH, you've been mafia MANY times before as you've said. You, better than anyone, should know that is not the ONLY way to fake this role. Everyone, consider this scenario. The mafia share the names and abilities of their individual roles with the group. DrH claims the name and abilities of one of his mafia teammates, ie. "Sticky". He gets elected mayor during the day and then at night, he gets elected Godfather. As Godfather, he chooses to appear as "Sticky" to any detective checks. At night, the real "Sticky" does whatever "Stickies" are supposed to do. When day breaks, DrH claims responsibility so we start to believe him more. We go along with his scheming and then we lose. He's given us this description of his role but it doesn't assuage my hesitations. On October 30 2010 12:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:My platform or why I'm running for mayor Simply,I have a role which can do two things: confirm itself to another player at night and help to stop the spread of murrayitis. The first ability will confirm I am who I say I am to the town, if used correctly, and the second will limit the mafia from using the plague to achieve their win condition. I will not allow poor bandwagons and mafia manipulation to influence my decisions and I offer coordination powers that are uncorruptable. How exactly does your role work? How WILL we know that you're legitimately town? What if you pretend to use your "ability" and another Red says, "Hey, DrH came to me in my dreams and now I KNOW he's Blue." What I want from DrH is to convince me that this is not the case. If he cannot provide that, he will not get my vote. Kingjames raises a lot of valid points. DrH, you're avoiding his answers and just focusing on Glasse, who's obviously an idiot. What is your response to KingJames' comments?
I didn't insult you, why would you insult me? Acting and being are 2 different things...
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On October 30 2010 13:37 Glasse wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 30 2010 13:26 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:12 kingjames01 wrote:Okay, I think that my previous question got lost in the thread. Can anyone answer this for me? On October 29 2010 18:36 kingjames01 wrote:
Is a person who has been visited by the Plague Doctor gain immunity for the remainder of the game?
I decided to play this game from the beginning as though everyone was mafia but me. DrH supposed role is "Sticky" On October 30 2010 11:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:27 Glasse wrote:On October 30 2010 11:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:23 Glasse wrote:On October 30 2010 09:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
My role has two basic abilities:
-to confirm itself to another player at night. basically I can send a signal to another player once per night that confirms I am the role I say I am.
-to assist in stopping the spread of the plague. i will use this role to reliably coordinate the night actions of plague doctors and the results will show in the murrayitis counts.
Both of these actions can be proven, they have results that cannot be faked.
Secondly, (more like the hundred time I've said this and people don't listen)
So whats the name of your role, i'm curious Does it matter? It seems strange that you would want to know. I guess it would do no harm to tell, it wouldn't reveal the exact nature of my powers, which I won't go into extreme detail on just yet. I'm not sure I should say. Maybe there is a role that knows all the roles in the game? And you're trying to confirm I am who I say I am? Maybe this is some kinda weird mafia fishing attempt? I'll think about it. Sounds more like you just made shit up and can't think of a name that fits the description you gave. Oh, I see. The name of the role is Sticky. You can see earlier that I used the word sticky to try to see if Node had the same role as me. As far as making it up, that would be the worst mafia play in the history of mafia. Again like I said (this is the millionth time now) In order to fake this role I have to out a scumbuddy every single day, who has to lie, putting pressure on an increasing amount of mafia. I would also have to fake the second part of my role, which would be impossible to do since the results are objective and not able to be manipulated. DrH, you've been mafia MANY times before as you've said. You, better than anyone, should know that is not the ONLY way to fake this role. Everyone, consider this scenario. The mafia share the names and abilities of their individual roles with the group. DrH claims the name and abilities of one of his mafia teammates, ie. "Sticky". He gets elected mayor during the day and then at night, he gets elected Godfather. As Godfather, he chooses to appear as "Sticky" to any detective checks. At night, the real "Sticky" does whatever "Stickies" are supposed to do. When day breaks, DrH claims responsibility so we start to believe him more. We go along with his scheming and then we lose. He's given us this description of his role but it doesn't assuage my hesitations. On October 30 2010 12:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:My platform or why I'm running for mayor Simply,I have a role which can do two things: confirm itself to another player at night and help to stop the spread of murrayitis. The first ability will confirm I am who I say I am to the town, if used correctly, and the second will limit the mafia from using the plague to achieve their win condition. I will not allow poor bandwagons and mafia manipulation to influence my decisions and I offer coordination powers that are uncorruptable. How exactly does your role work? How WILL we know that you're legitimately town? What if you pretend to use your "ability" and another Red says, "Hey, DrH came to me in my dreams and now I KNOW he's Blue." What I want from DrH is to convince me that this is not the case. If he cannot provide that, he will not get my vote. Kingjames raises a lot of valid points. DrH, you're avoiding his answers and just focusing on Glasse, who's obviously an idiot. What is your response to KingJames' comments? I didn't insult you, why would you insult me? Acting and being are 2 different things...
dont try to be chezinu in this game
there can be only one...
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On October 30 2010 13:31 bumatlarge wrote:
I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die.
Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote.
DrH is NOT claiming Plague Doctor. He says that he can tell if someone has the plague but he cannot confer immunity.
His other apparent ability is to have Artanis PM a player with confirmation that DrH is who he says he is.
I'm still not sure why that would be related to Sticky.
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On October 30 2010 13:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
also m-rus does not kill people the night after afaik, but if half the town is infected mafia win.
can artanis confirm this?
You are half right
murryatis does not kill people the night after
If over half of the players are infected, all players with murryatis die
So there is a chance that the town will have enough members to keep on playing. Or if the mafia all is infected, it could result in town victory
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On October 30 2010 13:40 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
also m-rus does not kill people the night after afaik, but if half the town is infected mafia win.
can artanis confirm this?
You are half right murryatis does not kill people the night after
If over half of the players are infected, all players with murryatis dieSo there is a chance that the town will have enough members to keep on playing. Or if the mafia all is infected, it could result in town victory
Thanks for clarifying.
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This game is freaking anoying to play compare to haunted mafia which has double the number of players... Reason? So many people wana become mayor for their own goods while the other people try to fuck the game over....
everyone need to drink a chill pill and review the picture from the beginning... where ever we are heading at, i see we are being split into multiple small groups and fight each other... They only has 9 mafia so calm down!!!
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On October 30 2010 13:40 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:31 bumatlarge wrote:
I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die.
Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote. DrH is NOT claiming Plague Doctor. He says that he can tell if someone has the plague but he cannot confer immunity. His other apparent ability is to have Artanis PM a player with confirmation that DrH is who he says he is. I'm still not sure why that would be related to Sticky.
sticky is a stick
I poke people with a stick and they are told if I poked them or not. If the poke is unsuccessful than I know that person has m-rus or that I was roleblocked if there is a roleblocker.
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On October 30 2010 13:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I might as well say how my power works. Once during the night I can poke someone.
On October 30 2010 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I can't directly quote a role PM but the idea is that "I gained life from Bill Murrays death"
Ah! Now your role makes sense! It also makes sense that you can't be infected since Sticky was intimately tied to BM.
(hahahaha! BTW, I have to say that BM's death that game was one of the funniest death scenes ever.)
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On October 30 2010 13:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
So for me to pull this off all of the following are true:
I am mafia
I am godfather
I can get the mafia to pretend I am confirming to them without ever being caught
I can fake a role that involves stopping the spread of murrayitis which isn't a possibility.
What tell us there is not a role that involves stopping the spread as red?
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if you guys want further confirmation that I am town and not mafia and that I have the role I say I do just look at my old posts in concern to node where I allude to my role in hopes he would pick up on the clue (thinking he had the same role as me at the time)
this would be an insane amount of foresight for a mafia to have.
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Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role:
Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected.
This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM.
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On October 30 2010 13:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:40 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:31 bumatlarge wrote:
I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die.
Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote. DrH is NOT claiming Plague Doctor. He says that he can tell if someone has the plague but he cannot confer immunity. His other apparent ability is to have Artanis PM a player with confirmation that DrH is who he says he is. I'm still not sure why that would be related to Sticky. sticky is a stick I poke people with a stick and they are told if I poked them or not. If the poke is unsuccessful than I know that person has m-rus or that I was roleblocked if there is a roleblocker.
haha, I got it. I just posted too late and you had already explained it in the thread... Thus, I look like an idiot. =)
Well, if it turns out that your role is legitimate, then as a Mayor you'd be unable to die except by lynch or if your bodyguards die first.
Also, does anyone ACTUALLY have confirmation that there will be bodyguards? Someone threw it out there and then we all assumed it to be true but no official ruling has been made...
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On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM.
DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified.
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On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM.
That is an interesting scenario. All I can say is if I tell the town someone has murrayitis, and the plague doctors visit them, that'll be cured and it'll show in the numbers.
Now that you said that mafia can just start infecting the people I confirm to, to make it look like I'm doing the infecting
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On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified.
You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game
pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta.
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what else do I need to do to convince you I'm town short of cheating and posting my role pm i mean really T_T
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On October 30 2010 13:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. That is an interesting scenario. All I can say is if I tell the town someone has murrayitis, and the plague doctors visit them, that'll be cured and it'll show in the numbers. Now that you said that mafia can just start infecting the people I confirm to, to make it look like I'm doing the infecting
I think you misread my post. What I said is that if you're the one infected, and you can find reds that are infected, you would still be able to show the murrayitis numbers decrease while piling up the disease on townies.
It's a hypothetical scenario though, no need to be defensive about it. I'm not nearly convinced it's true yet. What I want is collaboration to find a satisfactory (non-WIFOM) method to confirm DrH in this case. I hope to ACTUALLY have FULL 100% faith in the person I give my mayoral vote to.
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