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On October 13 2011 23:15 Rimshot wrote:
Why doesn't somebody create a starcraft2 news website? I want to read a fully functional, up to the minute news website. I'd do it myself but I don't have the time or commitment. I really think there is a huge market for this kind of thing.
Because if TL decided to start posting tournament updates and live news the other sites would be killed within a day. Whats going to compete with TL.net?
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On October 13 2011 23:15 Switchy wrote:
Im all for adding tournament results to the site. If i dont want to be spoiled on a football match i dont go to newssites either.
I mean, why are livereport threads even spoilered? Why would you read a livereport thread if not to see results or talk about the games.
Also, it's alittle bit awkward when people LR like this.
It's an extreme example but I did see a few guys doing it, and it was just silly.
I can fully understand that people don't want to get the results before watching it, but sometimes it doesn't even matter and if you really are that eager about seeing the results "live", then you shouldn't go to a community where probably the majority of the members watched the game and REALLY WANT to talk about it without having to always keep it safe for the rest.
A spoiler-free section would be really beneficial; would make everyone happy.
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I don't mind the change. I just want access to the LR threads/recommended games without getting spoiled.
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On October 13 2011 22:45 SolidMustard wrote:Show nested quote +Poll: Do think live tournament results on TL frontpage is a good idea ?Yes (4507) 86% No (386) 7% Yes, but only if TL add a spoilerfree VOD page that is easily accessible. (364) 7% 5257 total votes Your vote: Do think live tournament results on TL frontpage is a good idea ? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Yes, but only if TL add a spoilerfree VOD page that is easily accessible.
Wow, that's quite a one-sided poll ! Hopin' TL staff sees that !
uhh TL already does articles covering tournaments on the front page.. I don't understand this.
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On October 13 2011 23:24 R0YAL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 22:45 SolidMustard wrote:Poll: Do think live tournament results on TL frontpage is a good idea ?Yes (4507) 86% No (386) 7% Yes, but only if TL add a spoilerfree VOD page that is easily accessible. (364) 7% 5257 total votes Your vote: Do think live tournament results on TL frontpage is a good idea ? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Yes, but only if TL add a spoilerfree VOD page that is easily accessible.
Wow, that's quite a one-sided poll ! Hopin' TL staff sees that ! uhh TL already does articles covering tournaments on the front page.. I don't understand this.
Yeah but the thing is the big "results updates" are always days, sometimes a week after a huge tournament. There is STILL no writeup on Stephano's big win on the front page, and he's like the first foreigner to ever beat out that many Koreans in a tournament. Ever.
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Why do people get so mad about the spoiler it makes no sense... if you watch it later or not your watching for the game play. Knowing the outcome means nothing. In fact I would rather know who is winning the games because then I can focus on there play. I can see the flip side of it because lets be honest if someone says well the Raiders won that game , and u have it DVRed it ruins it, but at the same time who cares? A SC2 game goes maybe 20-30mins not 4 hours like a football game, so deal with it and move on. Or DONT COME ON teamliquid and not expect spoilers to come on, really that is like going on NFL.com and being mad because u saw the score of a game you wanted to watch. Stop being babies and let it go.
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What about a spoiler tag you could associate to a topic ?
People would have to chose the duration of it in their profile (0 for those who don't care about spoilers), and when the topic is old enough for their liking, they'll see it.
As an example, if I want to create the topic + Show Spoiler +Stephano's run through IPL - with full summary of each game
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I think that the fact of having spoiler is better for e-sport : it shows that we don't wanna see this player win , but a amazing game without getting spoil . We are more interested in the game it self instead of stupid rooting over the game like it is in football , hockey or whatsoever . We prefer a beautiful game with the player who we root for losing than a ugly game with our favorite player winning .
We are more interested in our sport than NBA fans are in basket .
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On October 13 2011 23:22 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 23:15 Switchy wrote:
Im all for adding tournament results to the site. If i dont want to be spoiled on a football match i dont go to newssites either.
I mean, why are livereport threads even spoilered? Why would you read a livereport thread if not to see results or talk about the games. Also, it's alittle bit awkward when people LR like this. It's an extreme example but I did see a few guys doing it, and it was just silly. I can fully understand that people don't want to get the results before watching it, but sometimes it doesn't even matter and if you really are that eager about seeing the results "live", then you shouldn't go to a community where probably the majority of the members watched the game and REALLY WANT to talk about it without having to always keep it safe for the rest. A spoiler-free section would be really beneficial; would make everyone happy.
There is no spoiler policy in LR threads, unless it was a leaked result such as with IPL1.
There's a difference between a spoiler free section, and putting all the news on the front page. People who get less "hyped" because they don't see a picture on the front are hardly what I would consider great ESPORTS fans.
On October 13 2011 23:27 AimlessAmoeba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 23:24 R0YAL wrote:On October 13 2011 22:45 SolidMustard wrote:Poll: Do think live tournament results on TL frontpage is a good idea ?Yes (4507) 86% No (386) 7% Yes, but only if TL add a spoilerfree VOD page that is easily accessible. (364) 7% 5257 total votes Your vote: Do think live tournament results on TL frontpage is a good idea ? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Yes, but only if TL add a spoilerfree VOD page that is easily accessible.
Wow, that's quite a one-sided poll ! Hopin' TL staff sees that ! uhh TL already does articles covering tournaments on the front page.. I don't understand this. Yeah but the thing is the big "results updates" are always days, sometimes a week after a huge tournament. There is STILL no writeup on Stephano's big win on the front page, and he's like the first foreigner to ever beat out that many Koreans in a tournament. Ever.
Then volunteer to be a writer and make it? The delay in coverage has nothing to do with the spoiler policy.
If you want instant results, there's Liquipedia and the LR thread. Aside from that, you just wait 24 hours before talking about it openly outside of the LR thread.
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On October 13 2011 19:54 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 19:50 Lakai wrote:On October 13 2011 19:43 yeint wrote:On October 13 2011 18:57 h41fgod wrote:
If it is a live event, spoiler the living daylights out of it. You should be watching it live anyway. What if it's at 4am and people have jobs? Should they not come to TL at all the next morning because you want massive banners on the front page, immediately? Yes. This is how any other sport works. It works that way out of precedent, not because it's a better system. I would definitely prefer it if ESPN had spoilers. Beyond that, these are two different types of sites. The people who "don't know how to find results" on TL say that because they don't understand TL and they probably aren't regular posters anyways. Finding results and places to discuss them is quite easy, once you know TL. Expecting a big banner and immediate coverage and recap is simply not how TL news operates. Final stories come out days later because they are much higher quality, and TL doesn't have paid journalists to write an instant recap or get interviews.
Be careful what you wish for you just might get it.
Husky is a pariah in these spoiler free atmosphere. And I can see the change in his casts how there's pauses in his casts because he is starting to self-censor himself.
It is cramping his style quite frankly. I'd wish he'd go back to old super excited husky.
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On October 13 2011 23:24 R0YAL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 22:45 SolidMustard wrote:Poll: Do think live tournament results on TL frontpage is a good idea ?Yes (4507) 86% No (386) 7% Yes, but only if TL add a spoilerfree VOD page that is easily accessible. (364) 7% 5257 total votes Your vote: Do think live tournament results on TL frontpage is a good idea ? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Yes, but only if TL add a spoilerfree VOD page that is easily accessible.
Wow, that's quite a one-sided poll ! Hopin' TL staff sees that ! uhh TL already does articles covering tournaments on the front page.. I don't understand this.
Yeah, their big articles are always great, but they are only BEFORE the tournaments actually happen. I think it's really bad that you still see the announcement article on front page once the tourney is over, there should be (in my ideal TL.net ^^) an article bringing the results AND drawing conclusions, and stuff, just like for any regular sport (as already pointed out)
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There's a difference between a spoiler free section, and putting all the news on the front page. People who get less "hyped" because they don't see a picture on the front are hardly what I would consider great ESPORTS fans.
Really ? I'm speechless... So much patronizing... Wow! So I guess we won't get what we want :'(
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I don't really see why people would want this. If you want to know the results then Liquipedia or the LR threads are 2 clicks away. This will only be bad for people who can't watch the tournaments live and want to watch the vods the day after, which happens often due to time differences of the US/Europe/Korea.
I always make sure not to get spoiled if there are some exciting matches, but that won't be easy with the results splattered all over the frontpage because most of the links to vods can be found in the OPs of LR threads.
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If someone had spoiled qxc's all kill in gstl I might have killed them. The way tl does it is already great.
Though, a tournament results portal might be really cool.
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On October 13 2011 23:44 SolidMustard wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 23:24 R0YAL wrote:On October 13 2011 22:45 SolidMustard wrote:Poll: Do think live tournament results on TL frontpage is a good idea ?Yes (4507) 86% No (386) 7% Yes, but only if TL add a spoilerfree VOD page that is easily accessible. (364) 7% 5257 total votes Your vote: Do think live tournament results on TL frontpage is a good idea ? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Yes, but only if TL add a spoilerfree VOD page that is easily accessible.
Wow, that's quite a one-sided poll ! Hopin' TL staff sees that ! uhh TL already does articles covering tournaments on the front page.. I don't understand this. Yeah, their big articles are always great, but they are only BEFORE the tournaments actually happen. I think it's really bad that you still see the announcement article on front page once the tourney is over, there should be (in my ideal TL.net ^^) an article bringing the results AND drawing conclusions, and stuff, just like for any regular sport (as already pointed out)
So contribute. 95% of TL content is done by volunteers, community members just like you and I. People are bitching that not enough write-ups happen and the frequency of them when it has absolutely nothing to do with a spoiler policy. A good writer doesn't need to spoil results in the title to pull in readers, and a simple warning at the top of the OP is enough to stop spoiler whining because hey, they were warned.
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People like spoilers so when they watch VODs they can pretend they're watching it live....
People don't go back to the Superbowl or the World Cup to watch those game after they're done... instead they just watch highlights, recaps, etc.....
Nobody fucking watches actual sports (and by that, I mean physical sports, like baseball, basketball, etc) after the event has already taken place... why? Because they don't care about the event, they care about results, cool plays (like "Oh, did you see that dunk LeBron made?"), and similar stuff...
When it comes to Sc2 (and other e-sports), some people would rather watch the entire series front-to-back with no knowledge of who already won... which to me is pointless, however, everyone has their opinion.
Get rid of spoilers (and make everything visible on the front page)? No. Have an option (or 2nd website) that DOES have this information readily available? Sure, why not? If people are asking for it (which according to the OP's poll, they are) then give them what they want... Just try to include a hide-spoiler option for those who like the "old" e-sports
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On October 13 2011 23:34 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 23:22 KeksX wrote:On October 13 2011 23:15 Switchy wrote:
Im all for adding tournament results to the site. If i dont want to be spoiled on a football match i dont go to newssites either.
I mean, why are livereport threads even spoilered? Why would you read a livereport thread if not to see results or talk about the games. Also, it's alittle bit awkward when people LR like this. Game X
13 Minutes into the game
Player B has 120 supply in Army.
Player A has 2 Workers and 3 Supply in Army.
Player A attacks! + Show Spoiler [Game X result] +Holy shit Player B soo good that you won but didn't see that coming. It's an extreme example but I did see a few guys doing it, and it was just silly. I can fully understand that people don't want to get the results before watching it, but sometimes it doesn't even matter and if you really are that eager about seeing the results "live", then you shouldn't go to a community where probably the majority of the members watched the game and REALLY WANT to talk about it without having to always keep it safe for the rest. A spoiler-free section would be really beneficial; would make everyone happy. There is no spoiler policy in LR threads, unless it was a leaked result such as with IPL1. There's a difference between a spoiler free section, and putting all the news on the front page. People who get less "hyped" because they don't see a picture on the front are hardly what I would consider great ESPORTS fans.
Re: the bold comment.
The exact same can be said about people who get less hyped after seeing spoilers, it's all stuff thats seemingly irrelevant to the games themselves. The difference is that 95% of the people are getting less hyped by the spoiler-free withdrawn excitement, while only 5% are getting less hyped by spoilers. Now understandeably it wouldn't be fair to ignore that 5%, but if there was a seperate spoiler-free version of the tournament page (no sidebars) that would be adequate enough for the minority to view VODS spoiler free before viewing the main page, without hindering the majority's enthusiasm for the game by allowing front-page news to be about the winners/losers etc.
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It does seem very easy to avoid this site and just watch the vods? As long the spoilers are not in the title of threads were peoples wandering eyes may see some information that indicates who won a match. It does not seem as though it is a very big deal, what are you here for if not sc2/bw news?
I know i have avoided going to pubs in order to not having a football match spoiled for me so why not act the same way for this? I was in the U.K. for the 2006 world cup and basically avoided all pubs before i was able to watch Australia play.
I can understand the avoidance of spoilers but trying to avoid them on basically a starcraft news website? That seems rather silly
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On October 13 2011 23:58 xBillehx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 23:44 SolidMustard wrote:On October 13 2011 23:24 R0YAL wrote:On October 13 2011 22:45 SolidMustard wrote:Poll: Do think live tournament results on TL frontpage is a good idea ?Yes (4507) 86% No (386) 7% Yes, but only if TL add a spoilerfree VOD page that is easily accessible. (364) 7% 5257 total votes Your vote: Do think live tournament results on TL frontpage is a good idea ? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Yes, but only if TL add a spoilerfree VOD page that is easily accessible.
Wow, that's quite a one-sided poll ! Hopin' TL staff sees that ! uhh TL already does articles covering tournaments on the front page.. I don't understand this. Yeah, their big articles are always great, but they are only BEFORE the tournaments actually happen. I think it's really bad that you still see the announcement article on front page once the tourney is over, there should be (in my ideal TL.net ^^) an article bringing the results AND drawing conclusions, and stuff, just like for any regular sport (as already pointed out) So contribute. 95% of TL content is done by volunteers, community members just like you and I. People are bitching that not enough write-ups happen and the frequency of them when it has absolutely nothing to do with a spoiler policy. A good writer doesn't need to spoil results in the title to pull in readers, and a simple warning at the top of the OP is enough to stop spoiler whining because hey, they were warned.
I’ve seen you repeat the same thing all over the thread, I think I should be addressing your points. I am not bitching about TL’s quality of work. I am not saying the huge tournament wrap-up we usually see 5-6 days after the events should just be magically appearing right away, I know it is not possible, but this is not what I am expecting.
I am talking about short news possibly with a picture, with a very quick overview of the player who won, who he fought, what he won, where, etc. And then you can simply give link to stream/tournament thread/bracket, wherever the viewer can find more information about it. I think this would be good to help casual viewers get interested/hyped. And it doesn’t require a huge deal of work. The complete wrap-up can still come a few days later, I absolutely don’t mind this.
But straight news/ in-depth analysis is not the same thing. The first can be put on easily while the other should be refined and not rushed just after a tournament is done.
And this is not bitching the TL team or site like you are pretending, I love this place and I come here every day. This is just my vision to make e-sports maybe a little more hyped for those who are not yet totally into it like us. And of course whatever TL does I’ll still come here.
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Its simple enough, dont go on TL if you dont want to be spoiled. Even now you see things like MVP fanclub or people that dont spoilertag when talking about the game. I agree with the OP. If you tape the hockey game from last night and want to watch it the next day, your obviously not going to turn on sports center, the radio, or go on NHL.com.
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