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We are currently talking about this issue in the mod forum. We take this issue very seriously, and want to find the best way to serve those who want faster results, and those that don't wish to be spoiled.
LegendMerry
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia4 Posts
October 13 2011 12:46 GMT
#581
To be honest, if I really wanted to see something live and did not want spoilers I generally avoid sites I know would have the results visible. This is very rare and I think that having the most up to date news on the front page would only strengthen TL.net as the go to place for sc2 news.
bbm
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1320 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 12:52:20
October 13 2011 12:46 GMT
#582
As some people have been saying this thread, the problem's just in slow information.

http://www.teamliquid.net/news/

If I want to find out about IPL 3 or IEM Guangzhou, I have to dig around or go to Liquipedia. Under teamliquid's logo the first thing is "Starcraft progaming news", but really, what news is there? A preview article is not news. We've had the NASL fortnightly recaps (to their credit, out quickly, however, also mainly spoiler free and unhelpful in terms of news), and a review of Dreamhack Valencia just under a fortnight after... the two korean tourneys are well enough represented, but the fact of the matter is, almost a fortnight after the relatively big news of idra winning a major tournament, there is NO official source detailing this information on the main site. I don't want to dig around the forums to find an old LR thread that is in a big forum full of other threads, especially since if I want to find out anything more about the match than just the results and poll (ie: anything notable that happened) I have to hope there was a live report, or just trawl through pages and pages of useless chatter. I don't want to have to go to Liquipedia and just get raw numbers with no analysis/input/anything.

I'm not really sure what would be best, but my suggestion would be to have a section (with community news and sponsor news) that is Tournament News or something similar, that would have brief breakdowns of the tournament (top 5 matches, ones to watch, etc), and the same sort of spoilered-up format that the LR threads have. A sort of aggregation of (potentially) several days worth of LR threads. Not quite sure how it'd work, but that's what I'd like. Something I can go and find on monday morning, that isn't pages and pages of interesting, witty, and insightful writing like your current articles, but just a quick recap/summary of that tournament.


EDIT: The little link in the banner to the IPL portal was useful, but not enough IMO. It should be a featured news article, with a giant picture and text something like

"IPL 3 GOING ON RIGHT NOW! CLICK HERE FOR ACCESS TO LATEST BRACKETS NEWS BLAH BLAH BLAH"
By.Sun or By.Rain, he always delivers
Harmonious
Profile Joined December 2010
179 Posts
October 13 2011 12:48 GMT
#583
On October 13 2011 00:46 Clearout wrote:
No thank you, I'm scared enough to browse TL when I haven't been up to date with GSL.


So don't. It is not that hard really.
LegendMerry
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia4 Posts
October 13 2011 12:51 GMT
#584
On October 13 2011 21:48 Harmonious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 00:46 Clearout wrote:
No thank you, I'm scared enough to browse TL when I haven't been up to date with GSL.


So don't. It is not that hard really.



Exactly! Would you browse ESPN when you didn't want to know the results of say, the Superbowl? (
SolidMustard
Profile Joined May 2011
France1515 Posts
October 13 2011 12:55 GMT
#585
I couldn't agree more to the OP. After IPL3's finals, when still so excited by Stephano's victory, I went to TL.net to read more facts about it, and even read about what I already knew just to get back into it as I would have done on a sports news site after my favourite team won a championship or an important match, but there was just nothing... It felt really weird, like "What ? Actually no one cares about the results ??" which is is frustrating after all the great hyping write-ups...

So, yeah, fuck spoilers, if we do know that TL will publish articles on main results on main page, then we will just have not to go to TL if we don t wanna get spoiled a particular result...
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 13:03:15
October 13 2011 13:00 GMT
#586
Everything is hurting e-sports atm it seems.
More seriously though, I do agree that all this... spoiler-free environment sort of does reduce the hype that so many events deserve. I certainly wouldn't mind a revolution in TL policy.
Edit: Another thing is that even if you avoid the LR threads for whatever event you don't want spoiled, it's quite likely you'll get spoiled anyway somewhere else on TL, since people are constantly referring to the latest news. Thus, if you don't want to get spoiled, you shouldn't go to TL until after you've watched what you want to watch. In other words: it won't matter if the results are displayed on the front page or not.
Belkan
Profile Joined August 2011
3 Posts
October 13 2011 13:03 GMT
#587
On October 13 2011 00:51 Paperplane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 00:43 drcatellino wrote:
Do we really want to have an anticlimactic homepage just to please the 5% spoilers-freaks people ?


61.3% of statistics on the internet are made up. You may not care about spoilers but others do.

Now that is an interesting statistic...
Syth
Profile Joined October 2011
36 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 13:09:02
October 13 2011 13:07 GMT
#588
Id love to see a huge image of the winner of a tournament holding a trophy on the front page of TL after big tournies finish. If I miss games I usually just go look at the result in the LR thread.

The poll results say to me im definitely not the only one. Hope the admins follow through on this thread
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
October 13 2011 13:08 GMT
#589
I'm with the OP on this one. Live results on the front page would be a good thing imo. And if you still want to browse TL without getting spoiled, nothing prevents you from say, bookmark the Strat forum to avoid the front-page.

One interesting point that Jibba raised a few pages ago though, is that TL news are written by volunteers and not paid Journalists who can instantly write a news, and that the delay is what allows for the quality of the write-ups. That said, having two types of news would be cool still, one short news instantly, and then later a high quality write-up.
Romanes eunt domus
Athox
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway64 Posts
October 13 2011 13:08 GMT
#590
I don't know if it's been mentioned before in the thread, but there's a very important point about SPONSORS. When your player wins a tournament, you want the picture of that player, with the shirt with your logo on it, to be all over the news.

This is why they pay the players, to advertise for them. If even a victory in a tournament doesn't get publicity then what's the point in sponsoring players?
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
October 13 2011 13:08 GMT
#591
I didn't vote yet as I'm still undecided, but wow, this poll did not turn out the way I expected.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
MrTortoise
Profile Joined January 2011
1388 Posts
October 13 2011 13:09 GMT
#592
tbh if you dont want spoilers ... watch it live

whatthefat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States918 Posts
October 13 2011 13:12 GMT
#593
On October 13 2011 21:51 LegendMerry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 21:48 Harmonious wrote:
On October 13 2011 00:46 Clearout wrote:
No thank you, I'm scared enough to browse TL when I haven't been up to date with GSL.


So don't. It is not that hard really.



Exactly! Would you browse ESPN when you didn't want to know the results of say, the Superbowl? (


Not equivalent. Who goes to the ESPN site for advice on their throw, or to blog, or even just to engage in general discussion about news and other events? The GSL is practically impossible to watch live in the US, and occurs during the working week, making it doubly hard to catch up on. What is being proposed here would keep me (and others) away from TL throughout the work week, which would vastly decrease their traffic.
SlayerS_BoxeR: "I always feel sorry towards Greg (Grack?) T_T"
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
October 13 2011 13:13 GMT
#594
I'd like a front page that hypes esports, cheers on our fellow Liquidites and Constant flood of news
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Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
October 13 2011 13:14 GMT
#595
This has been a gripe of mine with TL for some time now. The way I see it, if I desperately want to avoid spoilers, if something is that important to me, I avoid places where I could possibly see it or be tempted to see it.

If there's a UFC event, I stay away from the MMA thread on my most frequented forum. And I certainly don't go to my preferred MMA site.
Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
October 13 2011 13:15 GMT
#596
On October 13 2011 22:12 whatthefat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 21:51 LegendMerry wrote:
On October 13 2011 21:48 Harmonious wrote:
On October 13 2011 00:46 Clearout wrote:
No thank you, I'm scared enough to browse TL when I haven't been up to date with GSL.


So don't. It is not that hard really.



Exactly! Would you browse ESPN when you didn't want to know the results of say, the Superbowl? (


Not equivalent. Who goes to the ESPN site for advice on their throw, or to blog, or even just to engage in general discussion about news and other events? The GSL is practically impossible to watch live in the US, and occurs during the working week, making it doubly hard to catch up on. What is being proposed here would keep me (and others) away from TL throughout the work week, which would vastly decrease their traffic.


Or you could just have a link that goes directly to the forum. And then TL could perhaps add a "spoiler" tab in options, where if you tick you don't see the spoilers on the news panel on the left.
Juicebox
Profile Joined January 2011
United States13 Posts
October 13 2011 13:17 GMT
#597
I 100% agree with the OP. Especially the point about events, such as the IPL3, seeming like they disappear as soon as they're over. An amazing event deserves more hype for the results than a spoiler tag with bolded text, imo.
Juicy Juice
taldarimAltar
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
973 Posts
October 13 2011 13:19 GMT
#598
I dont have time to watch games anymore, I go to tl and have to navigate to the tourney's forum on my phone. I wouldn't mind spoilers as TL is my goto site for sc2 results. Not to be nit-picky but another thing i'd like to see is LP links to ongoing events, althought the formatting of the LR threads is real nice i prefer LP, just my 2 cents.
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 13:21:57
October 13 2011 13:21 GMT
#599
Do we really want to have an anticlimactic homepage just to please the 5% spoilers-freaks people ?

Poll: Do think live tournament results on TL frontpage is a good idea ?

Yes (4507)
 
86%

No (386)
 
7%

Yes, but only if TL add a spoilerfree VOD page that is easily accessible. (364)
 
7%

5257 total votes

Your vote: Do think live tournament results on TL frontpage is a good idea ?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Yes, but only if TL add a spoilerfree VOD page that is easily accessible.




Not bad op. 85.34% of statistics on the internet are made up but apparently yours wasn't.
TaktiDerBlonde
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany33 Posts
October 13 2011 13:23 GMT
#600
Agree with the OP, recaps and previews (as cool as they are) do not fullfill a progaming NEWS site.
I would love to see big pictures, headlines and articles the time a tourney is over.
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