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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
they are both have same mentality/playstyle so ithey basically interchangable anyway | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
Suspect #1 Believer: On February 12 2011 15:43 gryffindor wrote: I really disliked Believer's vote a page ago, with absolutely no content with it whatsoever. I also didn't like seeing someone having a post edited earlier, and I was just informed that it was him in PM. I don't want to just go with the mold. I don't want to bandwagon. I want to lynch scum. Vote: Believer Ever since this post Believer has been pushing me His case on me is entirely OMGUS, and he is likely scum I voted him because on page 17, he had voted without any reasoning whatsoever, which is very scummy in a large theme He then voted me with very little time near the end of D2, as a "placeholder" putting me 1 level away from being lynched just with an unvote of the topwagon and a vote on mine. I'm just really glad his scum teammates weren't on, or I'd have been a goner. Suspect #2: Aidnai There are a couple of players that have altered my perception of Aidnai, Ace and Kitaman27. He is very good at rhetoric, which is why I'm not going to be pushing on him unless other people open their eyes. Why would I do this, you're wondering? Well, I'll tell you. Because you all aren't going to trust me enough to push him. Even me putting him up higher on my suspect list would probably get hated on, even if it is very possible he is scum. He was asking me my opinion of Ace in PM, even defending him. It now reads as distancing after the situation revolving around Ace's death. Major scumpoints to Aidnai for what happened on 23. I would love to see someone counterclaim that name, or hear more about whether or not that claim is likely to be on our side or not. Aidnai told me he had been in contact with Kitaman27, and Kitaman27 was asking me for the dialogues with Aidnai. I did not give them to him, but considering he died shortly thereafter, I have to be suspicious that it is Aidnai's fault that Kita died. With his name being associated with two deaths for me, I can't not have him on my list of suspects. I would have him higher if I thought I could actually get him lynched, but I bet his mafia team won't throw him under the bus as easily as they would Believer, and I partly believe his claim. I'm just not sure if he's town. Suspect #3: Siniquity I am suspicious of Siniquity, but I am not going to make a huge case about this one, because there really isn't anything to comment on. He's had 1 good post, most of his posts came in the same time-frame, and he has been both unhelpful and actively lurking. He hasn't been adding anything to the discussion at all. Suspect #3: | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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LunarDestiny
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
 I'm going to look over your suspects and do an analysis on them too gryff. | ||
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
On February 15 2011 19:54 deconduo wrote: I feel I missed something important I'm going to look over your suspects and do an analysis on them too gryff. Not important from an in game standpoint, but from a personal one. | ||
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pevergreen
Australia252 Posts
BrownBear collapsed without a sound. The assailant dragged BrownBear to the kitchen, where BrownBear was promptly stuffed into the sausage grinder. The assailant chuckled evilly, and set to work on the now ground-up BrownBear. Come morning, the forum cook entered the kitchen and noticed a platter of tantalizing burgers with a sign that read "Bear Burgers: Serve bare!" The man threw some coins onto the table with a clatter as he got up and put on his coat. He stumbled to the door of the bar, the waitress giving him a harsh glare as he noisily exited. Once on the street, he was the subject of even more derision, the target of angry stares and barely concealed laughter as he staggered down the street catching himself on walls and light posts to stop from falling. Askthepizzaguy didn’t care though, the deaths of some of his closest friends had hit him hard, and he’d spent the last few days trying to drown his sorrow. It didn’t seem to be working, and it also didn’t do anything to get rid of the fear he felt inside. He’d had heard some of the deaths were murders, and that scared him. Turning sideways into an alleyway he used as a shortcut, Node wondered when the town had gotten so dangerous. Lost in thought, he at first didn’t notice the black shape that silently followed him down the narrow passageway. Looking back on a sudden impulse, he saw the silhouette, menacing, blocking the light from the street he had just left. His eyes widened, all he’d heard about the murders coming back to him in a sudden rush, turning and trying to run as quickly as he could in his inebriated state. He didn’t get far though, managing only three steps before falling forward onto the wet pavement, the impact causing him to violently retch as well. I felt bad for Node, as I stood over his prone form, almost feeling pity for the wretch beneath me. “But hey, a job’s a job,” I thought to myself, smiling as I pulled out my knife, “He must’ve done something wrong for someone to want him dead, and at least this way he won’t choke to death on his own vomit”. It didn’t take long for him to die once the knife pierced his heart, and wiping it off afterwards on his coat, I thought he looked very peaceful and relaxed. If only we could all go like that. As the town gathered, the day of voting began. Before discussion could properly begin, Andres was planning his drinking for the night. Having gotten a draft plan from one of his drinking buddies, he was just putting the final touches to a night out, when he got an email from a friend. It contained a picture so vile to him that his body started to convulse. Within moments why had died. As people looked at his screen, they tried to figure out how a picture of a bottle of Heineken could kill a man. Alive: 16/30 deconduo SiNiquity GGQ JBright gryffindor Believer Coagulation Insanious thefluffyone93 Beefy187 Mr. Wiggles chaoser GMarshal darmousseh ilovejonn aidnai Lynched: 2/30 zerroth (Strike for the South) Misder (Csargo) Killed: 6/30 bumatlarge (TheSpartan) Ace (TinCow) kitaman27 (pevergreen) Node (Askthepizzaguy) BrownBear (Gregoshi) why (Andres) Suicided out of despair: 1/30 LunarDestiny (Louis VI the Fat) Wrath of God: 5/30 me_viet (Omanes) ELITECubWarman8 (Centurion1) SouthRawrea (Glenn) Johnhughthom (Sigurd) Project Psycho (Kommodus) It is now Day 3. Day will end at Wednesday, Feb 16 12:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
He claims that this is his first mafia game. If that is the case, then his playstyle is understandable because it is his first game. What surprised me is that he used mafia terms such as FoS and OMGUS. I don't think a new player are comfortable enough to use those two terms. His voting on gryffindor don't say much about his alignment. He basically just say he find gryffindor's posts suspicious. Although he didn't explain how are they suspicious, I don't think it is enough evidence to pin him as mafia. But he needs to explain his reasoning. SO BELIEVER, EXPLAIN WHAT MADE YOU VOTE FOR GRYFFINDOR. Aidnai: First of all, he name claimed and no one counter claimed. Pretty sure he is Kagemusha, but. his ability claim and mod pm can be faked (so keep that in mind when reading this). You are Kagemusha You’ve been around a long time. You’re a veteran, there is no doubt. But you’re also a bad kill choice. You see, back in the early days, there was a curse. “The curse of Kagemusha”. Whenever you were killed at night, the mafia immediately fell apart. Some say the curse still exists, others laugh... You are Town Victory condition: You win when all anti-town forces have been eliminated. -pevergreen's post was about Ace kidnapping Aidnai. Ace's choice of tool is a sack. Look at this from pevergreen's post: After a few hours, Kagemusha freed himself from the sack. Ace's role screams JAILER. -Aidnai's claimed power couldn't be activated because he was not killed. So what killed Ace. Well, the only logical answer is that he is targeted by a KP. I also said the .org GF system give the GF power to recruit scums. Assuming that .org GF system is being used, I am very certain Ace would make a fine recruit. And his death is because a 3rd party killed him. If .org GF system is NOT used, both mafia and 3rd party have great incentive to kill him. Ace, I know releasing role info after death is illegal. But can you give me your opinion on Aidnai prior to your death? SiNiquity: Much like the last game (XXXVI), he lives on without getting much attention. He got two interesting posts: On February 13 2011 06:41 SiNiquity wrote: Ironically, my character profile states I don't have much time for mafia anymore LOL so true. But anyway, I just caught up with the thread and there's a shit ton of Kita bashing for no apparent reason. You guys are dumb if you think he's mafia. On February 13 2011 06:46 SiNiquity wrote: No shit, because when I post I'm right. So no, I don't make a ton of haphazard posts saying "Well what about this itty bitty thing over here that someone said that makes me tingle in funny places? And it's not my SPIDEY SENSEEEE" because let's face it, I don't have a need to crap all over the thread like the rest of you. First, he says that Kitaman's accuses are unjustified which I agree. Looking back, it started because someone (aidnai) pointed finger at Kitaman and Kitaman points finger back. These back and forth happened all the time from two townies. After so many unknown variables such as low mafia count and groups, I doubt people will expose themselves to get someone lynch for no reason. I don't like the second post which says he don't like spamming the thread when most of his posts are spams as well. (I admit I spam too...) | ||
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Believer
Sweden212 Posts
Regarding the criticism I have recieved now.. I am not Mafia, it would be unwise to lynch me because there will be even fewer votes for the real Mafia. As we see here we have a few possible scenarios. 1. The Godfather is dead and the grunts have continued killing. We also have 1 vigilante killing. 2. The two grunts are dead and the Godfather is killing twice per night. We also have 1 vigilante killing. 3. No Mafia are dead, the grunts are killing two people each night. We also have 1 vigilante killing. 4. One grunt is dead and the mafia is only killing 1 person per night. We also have 2 vigilante killing. 5. One grunt and the Godfather is dead, killing once per night. We also have 2 vigilante killing. Those are the options I can come up with. As for my defense. If the town wishes I will role-claim later this day period to prove my innocence. I thank gryffindor for sparking the discussion, not only of me but of all his suspects, so we can finally gain some headway. I believe we are making some progress finally. | ||
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Believer
Sweden212 Posts
On February 15 2011 21:21 LunarDestiny wrote: Believer: He claims that this is his first mafia game. If that is the case, then his playstyle is understandable because it is his first game. What surprised me is that he used mafia terms such as FoS and OMGUS. I don't think a new player are comfortable enough to use those two terms. His voting on gryffindor don't say much about his alignment. He basically just say he find gryffindor's posts suspicious. Although he didn't explain how are they suspicious, I don't think it is enough evidence to pin him as mafia. But he needs to explain his reasoning. SO BELIEVER, EXPLAIN WHAT MADE YOU VOTE FOR GRYFFINDOR. Aidnai: First of all, he name claimed and no one counter claimed. Pretty sure he is Kagemusha, but. his ability claim and mod pm can be faked (so keep that in mind when reading this). -pevergreen's post was about Ace kidnapping Aidnai. Ace's choice of tool is a sack. Look at this from pevergreen's post: After a few hours, Kagemusha freed himself from the sack. Ace's role screams JAILER. -Aidnai's claimed power couldn't be activated because he was not killed. So what killed Ace. Well, the only logical answer is that he is targeted by a KP. I also said the .org GF system give the GF power to recruit scums. Assuming that .org GF system is being used, I am very certain Ace would make a fine recruit. And his death is because a 3rd party killed him. If .org GF system is NOT used, both mafia and 3rd party have great incentive to kill him. Ace, I know releasing role info after death is illegal. But can you give me your opinion on Aidnai prior to your death? SiNiquity: Much like the last game (XXXVI), he lives on without getting much attention. He got two interesting posts: First, he says that Kitaman's accuses are unjustified which I agree. Looking back, it started because someone (aidnai) pointed finger at Kitaman and Kitaman points finger back. These back and forth happened all the time from two townies. After so many unknown variables such as low mafia count and groups, I doubt people will expose themselves to get someone lynch for no reason. I don't like the second post which says he don't like spamming the thread when most of his posts are spams as well. (I admit I spam too...) I can explain my actions, don't you worry. :') As for the terminology used by me, you can see from the start that I use none of the wording normally applied to mafia games. However, I have familiarized myself with it as of this forum thread: http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131366-Mafia-Glossary It really is quite the gold mine if one is looking for help starting up. As for my vote on gryffindor, I simply wanted to see what he would do, I had my doubts (and still do) about him. The "placeholder" voting was so it wouldn't look suspicious should I change it due to him leading the polls, I never wanted him lynched there. | ||
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pevergreen
Australia252 Posts
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
I will take a harder look at Aidnai this cycle, and this is mainly in part because of an initial town read on him, but I'm going to give him a second chance through not voting him right now. Instead, I am going to vote for SiNiquity. He has been lurking, yet active, so my first reason is active lurking. My second reason is that he has not been pro-town. If someone could point me to something beneficial he has done, by all means, I missed it. vote: Siniquity | ||
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Believer
Sweden212 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On February 14 2011 05:24 SiNiquity wrote: I'd post a rolleyes smiley but even a thousand wouldn't cut it so: http://i54.tinypic.com/28k6no3.gif The exact same .gif was linked by fluffy in one of pevergreen/fluffy's games on the Org. He is also a "famous" troll over there, often linking images and videos. SiNiquity could very well be fluffy. On February 14 2011 05:43 aidnai wrote: Wassup ACE?!?! I'm going to full on role claim here, minus the red text of course. - Since my power was activated, I was being targeted as a kill, not a roleblock or anything else - Since Ace was targeting me for the kill and he was affected by the curse which affects mafia, Ace was in fact mafia My job here is done, if they kill me for realz they still can't shut me up lol  I highly recommend that any advice, opinions etc given by Ace from here on out be ignored. Last thing to say, we'll hopefully know after tonight's KP if Ace was a GF or a grunt. I think probably a grunt was sent to kill, but Ace as GF is smart from mafia perspective so I dunno... I might be knit-picky here but I see one irregularity, two to be very on the spot. There is no dot after the name in the role PM, mine has a dot and I would assume they all are quite the same on that spot. There are way too many short sentences, if one were to forge a role PM one would want to keep it very short and precise. Mine has long sentences, often elaborating "unneccessary" details. I might not have the greatest proof, but I see this as suspicious. | ||
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Believer
Sweden212 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
Jailer was one role that didn't even cross my mind, good catch. That changes my opinion on Ace somewhat. I had pretty much written him off as anti-town. Of today's kills, BrownBear and Node agree with trend of last night. It is very obvious (too obvious?) that veteran TL players are being targeted. The kill on why intrigues me however. why's posts: + Show Spoiler + On February 11 2011 15:04 why wrote: I've read a couple of pever's game and it looks like there are tons of different alignments in play. For example, here is the role list for the Revenge of Irishmore which resulted in a cult victory (I think, there were multiple endings): + Show Spoiler + Mafia members: A Very Super Market Askthepizzaguy Csargo spL1tp3r50naL1ty TinCow Australian Cult Members: Methos YLC atheotes Kiwi Cult Member: atheotes Scottish killers: Thermal Mercury Warman Doctors: Dr. Yaseikhaan Lord Winter the intern Renata the Emergency Room specialist. Joooray the Pyschiatrist French Kidnapper: Sigurd Arsonist: Reenk Roink Original carer of Wee Sean: Sasaki Kojiro Town Drunk: GeneralHankerchief Priest: Centurion1 Queen: Chaotix Special Townie: Diamondeye Detective: Scienter Pretty sure that is 2 cults and a mafia team, and that was when there were 5 mafia members... I think we have to be ready for anything. Anyway, back to the actual game. I don't know how you usually play, coag, but you are reacting really really defensively to votes that were little more than jokes that popped up because people were bored. Not sure if you usually react this way or there's some history involved, but its definitely setting off alarm bells. And GGQ, I too would like at least some explanation of your vote on coag. Everyone else has at least a sentence explaining their vote. I already stated my approval of this early post by him. He did a bit of research and called out GGQ on his vote. As his first post in the game, this was significantly better than pretty much everyone else's. On February 12 2011 11:19 why wrote: Does a mass name-claim make sense? I don't think it is against the rules as far as I can tell, and there are some advantages (namely totalwar folks might be able to get a sense of factions/red text and then explain it to the rest of us. Also, assuming mafia are TL members they won't know whether to fake claim or not, and won't be able to come up with a good fake claim regardless). On the other hand, it could be a waste of time since most people won't get anything from it and it'll just take up a bunch of thread space and distract from scumhunting (although at the moment there doesn't seem to be much talking anyway). Also, if one of the totalwar people is on one of the mafia/cult teams then they might be able to pick out some blue roles. Totalwar people, how helpful do you think it would be to know people's names? As an example of how it could help, in the (2) games I have played with him, GGQ has posted at about this frequency, but has generally been a helpful, insightful townie. Here he has voted multiple times with no reason and hasn't posted anything more than a couple lines. My guess is that he has some red text that is telling him to play that way. This is supported by: Not that this means he is town, just that things we normally associate with scum tells might just be red text that players can't admit to. Another great post, points out differences in GGQ's play, expresses his thoughts on a mass nameclaim. Does suggest that differences in playstyle could be due to the roles/names. On February 12 2011 12:22 why wrote: Looking at insanious's post history, I believe the last post he's had on TL was his /in post for this game. It's quite possible he doesn't even know that Orgah mafia has started, especially as there was no confirm period. With regards to pressuring inactives, I would hesitate to pressure people who haven't even posted yet. These people might not have even read their role pms yet and will be modkilled anyway. It is basically a RNG. We can look for people who post closer to the deadline and FoS them, but I think mafia that have read their pm are much more likely to have a vote or at least a post in by this point. I'll Vote: Misder because all he has done is posted once or twice and voted. Good post, explains his vote On February 12 2011 12:24 why wrote: Oh, hi Misder. Any thoughts on the game so far? Anyone seem particularly scummy? Generic post. On February 12 2011 12:50 why wrote: So I ask you who you find scummy, and you basically scroll up the page, find an analysis you can piggyback on, and say that you agree with it. It feels to me like you were just looking for the first possibly scummy person you could find so that you could say you were scum hunting. I don't know if you are just lazy or you haven't been looking for scum (because it's a low activity day and you didn't think you would need analysis to survive), but I'm keeping my vote on you for now. Pressures Misder, good reasons. On February 14 2011 16:06 why wrote: Actually, this makes perfect sense. Here pever talks about the night kill: This indicates that the description of events will change based on other events that happen to the killer/killed. I think I am buying that Ace tried to kidnap you (not necessarily pro-town role) and that Ace was hit by mafia (unless someone has a hit to claim that hasn't yet). This is something that I completely missed. The killers have been writing the flavour text for the kills! We need to start looking a bit closer at them On February 14 2011 16:56 why wrote: What? The first point (only kill targets showed up in the night post) is not supported by anything. Maybe "Only people interacting with people killed show up in the night post" would be accurate, but there is no evidence to support the first point. Presumably if a medic were to protect someone who would have died, they would show up in the night post, but they wouldn't have had to be targeted by a NK to get a mention necessarily. You are correct that either version is possible, it just seems more likely to me that there were just 2 KP and Ace and Bumatlarge got hit. Another thing I haven't really thought about that ties in with the above post. Why did Aidnai show up in the first day post? On February 14 2011 17:02 why wrote: Yeah, so Ace's story was correct at least. Means he wasn't mafia as there are only 2 KP that we've seen so far, both coming from mafia (there aren't any other claimed hits I don't think). Ace could still be 3rd-party though. Comes to the conclusion that Ace couldn't be mafia. Not too sure do I agree with this yet. I think he forgot that we have no evidence to show that people will be informed if they are hit/saved and just assumed this is the case. On February 14 2011 17:52 why wrote: Pever has had some roles that allowed day killing in the past. I think he mentioned an arsonist role before where the arsonist could "prime" one person a night and then PM pever any time during the day to immediately kill all people who had been previously "primed". In other words, probably a 3rd-party killer is my guess. Also, I need to go to sleep and so I need to vote for someone. Not much has gone on today so it has been hard to analyze. I will say that I doubt Misder is mafia at this point because he doesn't really seem to care about dying at this point (and only mafia will really care about dying right now, since we are nowhere near LYLO and as a townie you can still talk and everything) and there hasn't been any sort of counter-wagon. So, I'm going to vote for gryffindor because I find his tunneling of node on very inconclusive evidence to be scummy. Vote: gryffindor Would be nice if he gave a few more details on why he thinks gryffindor is scum. In conclusion, I think why has been quietly contributing quite a lot, even though he doesn't have a whole lot of posts. In fact, he's the sort of person I would target as mafia (as opposed to the big names who would be likely protected) Apart from this, gryffindor and to a lesser extent, misder would have motive to target him. I don't know why a pro-town vig would kill him as he has done nothing scummy as far as I can see, and there are much better (inactive/scummy) targets. Similarly I don't see a pro-town vig killing Node or BB. So, I think we have 3 anti-town KP, 2 scum + something else. Possibly an SK or maybe a faction that have a joint KP between them. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On February 15 2011 22:33 Believer wrote: How is it that whenever I speak up I am met with a wall of silence, please share your opinions of my discoveries. I am new to this game and might be interpreting (spelling?) things wrong, I am still a vote for the benefit of us all. :') Bad time, most US people are asleep and EU people are at work/college. | ||
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, cause I feel that Coagulation has a point. Ace just feels scummy, esp. stop analysis? Reminds me of Fishball last game tbh.
