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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 03 2012 15:37 GMT
#6021
So hapa can you shoot VE this cycle
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 03 2012 15:37 GMT
#6022
On December 04 2012 00:32 Promethelax wrote:
I'm being an asshole because I am tired and annoyed. Sorry.

Clarity: cool that you are defending me but I got this. How about some scum hunting? Or Contribution.

Draz: you are my least favourite ninja. Come here and tell me about the end of time.


I'm not defending you, I'm telling iamp his point makes no sense. snb is my lynch today and I see no reason to change my epoch vote, odds are next cycle isn't a lynch so I'm taking it easy today.

The only thing that's really stood out to me today is that either syllo's night actions have been amazingly accurate at picking people who lied about what they did/were gonna do.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
CaveJohnson
Profile Joined October 2012
278 Posts
December 03 2012 15:40 GMT
#6023
On December 04 2012 00:32 Promethelax wrote:
I'm being an asshole because I am tired and annoyed. Sorry.

Clarity: cool that you are defending me but I got this. How about some scum hunting? Or Contribution.

Draz: you are my least favourite ninja. Come here and tell me about the end of time.


Read the thread I've already stated my case on the end of time
Mafia smurf
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 03 2012 15:41 GMT
#6024
On December 04 2012 00:37 syllogism wrote:
So hapa can you shoot VE this cycle


Can do
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
December 03 2012 15:43 GMT
#6025
On December 04 2012 00:40 CaveJohnson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 00:32 Promethelax wrote:
I'm being an asshole because I am tired and annoyed. Sorry.

Clarity: cool that you are defending me but I got this. How about some scum hunting? Or Contribution.

Draz: you are my least favourite ninja. Come here and tell me about the end of time.


Read the thread I've already stated my case on the end of time


so nothing has changed in the many hours between that explanation and your vote? And you had nothing to add about anything else?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
CaveJohnson
Profile Joined October 2012
278 Posts
December 03 2012 15:44 GMT
#6026
On December 04 2012 00:43 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 00:40 CaveJohnson wrote:
On December 04 2012 00:32 Promethelax wrote:
I'm being an asshole because I am tired and annoyed. Sorry.

Clarity: cool that you are defending me but I got this. How about some scum hunting? Or Contribution.

Draz: you are my least favourite ninja. Come here and tell me about the end of time.


Read the thread I've already stated my case on the end of time


so nothing has changed in the many hours between that explanation and your vote? And you had nothing to add about anything else?


Not really
Mafia smurf
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 03 2012 16:01 GMT
#6027
On December 04 2012 00:36 Hapahauli wrote:
I don't think syllo is lying, but as stated previously, I did attempt to protect nl_clarity. The only way I can think of how this works is if I was roleblocked by another player.


That's not how Syllo's ability works though, iirc
He roleblocks you but he gets told who you planned on targeting.

Syllo could you ask the host if it changes anything if hapa was roleblocked by someone other than you?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 03 2012 16:02 GMT
#6028
On December 04 2012 00:23 syllogism wrote:
Well he would have needed a completely different claim to explain why he stayed home. I can't explain why other than that he made a mistake or thought that claiming this would be more believable.

Attempting to explain why mafia make mistakes is pointless. If S&B is mafia, he could have made a much more believable claim but did not. He could have visited phaga as instructed, but did not.


Well it's clearly not a "mistake" since I directly acknowledged your RB+Track of me on Night 5 in the post I claimed my abilities in. And I really don't understand how you can interpret this as "scummy" when I have so many easy options available to me to corroborate my claim. For example, I could simply claim that I missed sending in my actions that night. Instead, I acknowledged your check and contested it. Why the hell would I do that as scum vs. an almost-confirmed town track? It's cause I'm telling the truth.

On December 04 2012 00:27 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 23:54 iamperfection wrote:
On December 03 2012 10:20 Hapahauli wrote:
On December 03 2012 10:15 Keirathi wrote:
I'm inclined to believe that Hapa is telling the truth about the host PMs because I trust that Hapa is an honorable player. If he's the kind of person that would lie about something like that to win a game, then fuck that and I'll never play with him again.

I don't necessarily think that he's town again (it's hard to put aside the bias I already have), but the missing heal thing doesn't condemn him to me. I'll have another look through his filter again later, though.


<3

While you're there, please keep in mind some of my actions this game and see if they make sense from a scum perspective:
1) I was the first player to aggressively contest Toad's candidacy for party leader.
2) I was amongst the first to vote Toad on the D2 lynch (the 2nd player I think) and pushed for his lynch. Does it make sense for mafia to turn down an easy bussing opportunity (Sandro) in order to put heavy suspicion on another scumteam member?
3) Toad claimed to shoot me for 100 damage (BEFORE he gave up on the game and BEFORE Acro's check). If I'm lying about the 100 damage, who else could Toad have plausibly targeted?

Like hapa brought up great points here and you have basically ignored them entirely. Instead just shouting still scum for host pm reasons.

I can confirmation bias those points into being scummy with little effort. That doesn't prove anything. In fact, its a point against Hapa in my opinion to display those points as though scum would never do them. That said, while I have my reservations about him, I have no interest in pursuing his lynch until later this game, if at all.

SnB gets my vote for now unless someone can account for why he may have targeted djodref against his will. Anything short of a redirect claim means he gets the lynch.

I'm going to get around to that case on Z-Boson I promised like 4 cycles ago tonight.

##Lynch: StrongandBig
##Epoch: End of Time

I haven't thought much about where I want to go yet. At least Spekkio's already dead so there shouldn't be any more scum getting potential era bonuses by going there.


So apparently defending myself is a point against me in Hopeless's mind. This is wonderful.

Fact is, I brought up those points because there are no points for me to respond against. There's no case against me, and I have to defend myself against a mix of host-wifom and people idly saying I'm suspicious.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 03 2012 16:05 GMT
#6029
On December 04 2012 01:01 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 00:36 Hapahauli wrote:
I don't think syllo is lying, but as stated previously, I did attempt to protect nl_clarity. The only way I can think of how this works is if I was roleblocked by another player.


That's not how Syllo's ability works though, iirc
He roleblocks you but he gets told who you planned on targeting.

Syllo could you ask the host if it changes anything if hapa was roleblocked by someone other than you?

I've already sent the PM asking about that.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 03 2012 16:11 GMT
#6030
Option 2 is that the hosts somehow didn't receive//register my night action for N5. I'll ask about that, and I hope to god I'm not playing "defend yourself from host-error part 2."
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
December 03 2012 16:33 GMT
#6031
z-boson/austin: I noticed that z-boson made several unclear statetements which he had to rectract later. I personally already thought that it was probably only a problem of him being busy and working in haste, which resulted in those errors. Nevertheless, I asked him about this because I wanted to see his reaction. He never replied and got replaced shortly after, which seems to confirm that he was just to busy to formulate properly, and that there is no deeper meaning to this.
Austins post on risk.nuke pretty much mirrors my thoughts. I agree with his analysis that risk was playing rather protown D1, but since then his activity has gone down badly. I would like to see more from Austin to get a better picture of his alignemnet, but currently I do not think he is scum.

risk.nuke: As said, his early play looks slightly townie, however recently his activity dropped hard. I would really like to hear from him why this is the case. Also, I would like to hear from him what he thinks of Hapa.
@Syllo, is risk more active in the mason circle?

My scum reads are snb and GK.

Regarding hopeless (who I have still marked as scum): I was also looking at a series of posts that discussed Hopeless' night actions and if they add up, but I'm currently unable to find it. If anyone knows where it is, a friendly pointer would be very nice.

@Acro for your spreadsheet, I was the one dealing damage to Goodkarma last night.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
December 03 2012 17:04 GMT
#6032
Did it occur to everyone that we already killed the Master of War (Spekkio)???

As such, I don't get what we're hoping to achieve at the End of Time.

Further: GreyMist has shown over and over again this game that just about anything can be thrown at us at his whim. Feel free to hope for one result (such as new magic abilities), but FULLY EXPECT you'll get another...

The ONLY THING related to times that we know about right now is that some characters have a bonus in certain times.



With the very very likely scum flip this cycle, I don't see anything too worrisome about matching up a time period with characters who have admitted having a bonus in that time + Show Spoiler +
(or even who just happen to be from that time period)
. I mean, unless this game is wildly different from a normal game setup there's going to only be 2 (maybe three) scum left. We've eliminated half their team. And we already know their KP isn't that amazing given how much trouble they've had killing even a single townie each cycle... So I'm not terribly worried if we pre-plan accordingly a party even if some of them become higher priority targets. I highly doubt that scum will be able to fully negate the additional ability advantage we will gain from such a play.


Looking at the spreadsheet, and the already claimed abilities, the time period that will most likely benefit us most is the Middle Ages (600AD). As such:

##Epoch: Middle Ages (600AD)



GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 17:06:56
December 03 2012 17:06 GMT
#6033
Here is a new game we are going to play.

Its the: For Night action PMs, Put in the subject line "Cycle # Night action" and send them to both me and Mementoss or I will stop counting them game.

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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 03 2012 17:12 GMT
#6034
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FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 03 2012 17:16 GMT
#6035
Okay, so Hapa tried to visit Clarity.
CaveJohnson
Profile Joined October 2012
278 Posts
December 03 2012 17:17 GMT
#6036
On December 04 2012 02:04 goodkarma wrote:
Did it occur to everyone that we already killed the Master of War (Spekkio)???

As such, I don't get what we're hoping to achieve at the End of Time.

Further: GreyMist has shown over and over again this game that just about anything can be thrown at us at his whim. Feel free to hope for one result (such as new magic abilities), but FULLY EXPECT you'll get another...

The ONLY THING related to times that we know about right now is that some characters have a bonus in certain times.



With the very very likely scum flip this cycle, I don't see anything too worrisome about matching up a time period with characters who have admitted having a bonus in that time + Show Spoiler +
(or even who just happen to be from that time period)
. I mean, unless this game is wildly different from a normal game setup there's going to only be 2 (maybe three) scum left. We've eliminated half their team. And we already know their KP isn't that amazing given how much trouble they've had killing even a single townie each cycle... So I'm not terribly worried if we pre-plan accordingly a party even if some of them become higher priority targets. I highly doubt that scum will be able to fully negate the additional ability advantage we will gain from such a play.


Looking at the spreadsheet, and the already claimed abilities, the time period that will most likely benefit us most is the Middle Ages (600AD). As such:

##Epoch: Middle Ages (600AD)



Neutral ground is better than shaky ground.

600AD is probably the scariest place to be as far as possible scum abilities go.
Mafia smurf
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 03 2012 17:17 GMT
#6037
Oh wow syllo actually trusts me about a night action. Who would have ever guessed.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 03 2012 17:18 GMT
#6038
No, I don't trust you at all, but I received a correction
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 03 2012 17:18 GMT
#6039
On December 04 2012 02:18 syllogism wrote:
No, I don't trust you at all, but I received a correction


Speaking of which, can you give me a sane reason you find me suspicious? Because this is like day ten-billion of a bunch of people thinking I'm scum without a case on me to speak of.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 03 2012 17:21 GMT
#6040
On December 03 2012 23:01 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 21:24 kitaman27 wrote:
Good news

Phagga, if you're not golem, would you mind revealing your actual role name? The reason I asked S&B to commit to checking you is because I couldn't come up with anything else that matches the flavor.

Still waiting for VE to reveal the reasoning for his night action.

I thought the "good news" was Phagga claiming to take no damage, implying you believed something about SnB's claim. If that's not what you meant, what is the good news?


The good news was refering to the fact that S&B appears to have been caught in a lie.
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