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Aquanim
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Spaghetticus
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Thank Christ you managed to post a will on time, as I thought I still had 10-15 minutes, and Mocsta was a no show. | ||
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On January 06 2013 03:40 OmniEulogy wrote: ah to Answer your question to me about Spag Mocsta, I'm not really sure how to take Spags approach to this game. It's much different to the only other game I've played with him. I see him as town, although the only game I played with him where he was town his behavior was completely different. He still hasn't explained why he made the switch to StriX over myself as he claimed a few times he saw me as scummy, He also made one post that interests me a bit. + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 10:31 Spaghetticus wrote: I'm not sure if this is an exact repeat of the 1:1 hypothesis from XXXIII, as I was dead and only skimmed over it. Basically, unless we have very bold scum, I believe there was at most one scum voting for StiX. This means that if Jamp, Omni, or Corazon flip scum, you can increase your town reads on the other two. I do not include myself in this equation so as to remove the possibility of scum motive from my post. I am not implying you should discount me if any of these three flip scum, and if I flip scum, you should completely ignore this post. This also does not imply that there was definitely one scum on the StiX wagon. There could be two distributed among Jami and Omni. It does imply that there was at least one voting for either Jami or Omni, though this is not a very strong claim. I bolded what I found odd. Would a town Spag want us to waste time on him when he knows he is town? Would he not try and prove to us that he is town by his previous actions at this point and say that he was removed because he believes he has given us a good indication that he is town because of (x) reason. I'm not sure if I like him saying "if I flip scum ignore me". He should know if he will flip scum or not. As a townie I would have said "If I get lynched and when I flip town I hope you believe me". What he has said almost seems like a difference in how you think when you are pretending to be something and when you actually are. However I believe I'm over-analyzing it. Actually thats a very interesting point.. I completely missed that, I assumed it was just theory crafting.. If you combine that, with him @ the start, trying to soft-claim town (by pretending not to know about QT) its looking fishy... i will continue to read the thread, and see if this has been addressed. | ||
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It's also got my analysis spoilered on the same post. I'm heading to the gym, I've been sitting here waiting for the NK for five hours. I'll probably head to the beach later as well, so my activity will go down in the next 5-8 hours. Mocsta did you have a mislynch analysis ready to go? | ||
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On January 06 2013 05:33 Spaghetticus wrote: When Mocsta switched, TeMiL was no longer on the chopping block at all, by keeping my vote on him I was basically giving a null read of my intentions: a no-lynch. . Excuse me... @Sylencia, I hope you have commented on this, (still reading through the thread).. as you did with zarepath. | ||
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On January 06 2013 05:48 cDgCorazon wrote: Before I answer this, can I ask you a question? How did you go about making his case? Did you read his filter and analyze the posts you put in question when you got to that post? Or did you read all of his filter first, and then go back and pick out posts to criticize? I already thought he was dirty. I am an ab-lib player.. or shallow as spag put it.. So I knew i wanted to write a case.. but had limited time I decide to cherry pick his meaningful posts (whether town or scum motivated) and comment on them. I found 9 posts out of 30 that satisfied that and commented on them 1 by 1 | ||
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Spaghetticus
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@Mocsta Omni's post you quoted was ridiculous, and made me epic mad. The fact that you decided to support it makes me both confused and furious. I removed myself from the math so that my point could not be discounted. If I included myself in the math it would be me claiming town. By excluding myself I was removing the temptation of a townie to ignore the logic in my post as it could be interpreted as me claiming town. Soft claiming town is terrible, or so I hear? I was doing the thinking for you, any town reading it should not be applying this math to me anyway, as I was the one that posted it. I was not weakening my position in anyone's eyes unless they were stupid enough to think town reads on myself were legit. It was a transparent play, I can expect this misinterpretation from Omni but not from you. WTF? | ||
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On January 06 2013 09:24 OmniEulogy wrote: gg Cora. I was role blocked. fark.... didn't see that coming. | ||
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this was my final Night 1 post. I don't want to hi-jack discussions today, so i would appreciate if each individual can take the time to respond to what is contained within. (some have already done so) On January 06 2013 01:07 Mocsta wrote: Guys, I think there are 2 people on the chopping block tonight. No idea which way its leaning. On the chance its me: (1) + Show Spoiler + If you haven't read this post, I suggest if you are town please do. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389091¤tpage=14#269 I know its a long read, but, if I could have only one contribution to town for this game.. I would be satisfied by having posted this. (2) + Show Spoiler + I don't know where it went wrong, but, this town environment is really lacking at the moment. Maybe its my fault, but the amount of inactivity is a mafias dream. Day2, town really needs to step up the activity. Town needs to start finding flaws in peoples cases (regardless of whether I agreed with Corazon comments... him breaking my case down IS SOLID town play.. we need more of this) (3) The following are suggestions I hope town considers for Day 2 play. + Show Spoiler [VT] + Overall I like the way you are playing, and its good you called me out. That was a completely sound play. The only thing I will say to you regarding the above is.. Towards the end, I think you were blinded by my actions and begun to tunnel me. Because I think you are a critical component of this game, I tried my best to answer your questions with respect (but I REALLY wanted to just tell you to fuck off). I am telling you this because for Day2, town REALLY will need your pragmatic approach to continue. Sylencia + Show Spoiler + I think you have been playing this game with great intelligence. I think your positions have been well considered, and in most occasions well justified. We need more of this heading forward with Day 2. If I may, I ask that you follow up on Spaghetticus. I think we are picking up on the same sub text as per one of your first posts. With regards to my pressure on Spag, I am confused by his words and by his actions. By mentioning conflicting views on certain issues, it means that there's possibly something more behind his game plan. If he's not being honest, it's not benefiting town at all. I would love to supply the posts I think are odd.. but.. that might open too many WIFOM excuses. OmniEulogy + Show Spoiler + I have reviewed your filter post Day1 lynch. (1) I am stuck with you. I don't think my case had confirmation bias (unfortunately only Corazon has commented). The problem is, on a re-read, and considering content since the case.. I do find some material to be incredibly town motivated. (2) In your defense against my case, you stated I don't like your thought process. Perhaps this is true, and it is precisely why I ask the below of you. I would appreciate your thoughts on Spaghetticus. Is it just me who sees odd, eratic, and confusing behaviour? You already pointed out one Spaghetticus anomaly here. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389091¤tpage=26#510 I would be curious if you are able to dig out others. Spaghetticus + Show Spoiler + OK. you have the biggest filter.. and so what.. In my opinion the quality is lacking, and the content convoluted. I find many of your posts wishy-washy and confusing. I also find your behaviour during end of Day1 all over the place. For a person who prides himself on analytical, controlled play; you were very erratic. Completely uncharacteristic. Then, there is this post... On January 05 2013 03:53 Spaghetticus wrote: @OmniEulogy I get a scum read off you... but... I am not going to pursue you if I can help it. Your process is so alien to me I can't really fathom your motives. I would like other people to apply scrutiny while I look elsewhere. I just can't see you as not scum, but this was true in XXXIII and you flipped town. Please people, before you attribute a scumbuddy relationship here... ... ... ... this is too high profile and obvious. My contribution will be substantial elsewhere, I genuinely feel my objectivity is compromised entirely when dealing with Omni. This is town motivated and too bold a risk for too little a reward to be a scum ploy. I have reasonable town motive, I don't want this post to haunt me. How is this town motivated when you followed up by unvoting TeMiL and voting StriX.. its clear in your filter to see. zarepath + Show Spoiler + I still stand by what I said to Sylencia. I think your play has been "in your own way" aligned with town principles. We need you to step up though, interact more, contribute more. I know it feels good to sit back and soak in the thread, and hopefully someone makes a compelling point. But with the lack of activity currently, more town players need to step up and contribute. One of your last posts calls out two lurkers. jampi and TiMeL. I ask that you develop these relationships further in Day2. jampidampi + Show Spoiler + You confuse me the same as OmniEulogy. Some things are helpful, others are pointless. How to interpret you.. I think town would get a better sense of your alignment if you continued your conversations with Sylencia. This is not intended to head towards OMGUS, moreso, zarepath raised curious points about Sylencia voting tendencies. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389091¤tpage=25#482 Do you think this is worth exploring further? TeMiL + Show Spoiler + Honestly, I don't even know if you will read this. If you are mafia, well done. If I didnt have a meta, I would def try to play the way you have. People thought my 1hr vote was murky, but your post out of no where was even worse. That truly fucked up the thought process. On the off chance you are town, I ask that you try to vote in Day 2 earlier, to at least give the others a chance to adjust. | ||
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Sylencia
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On January 06 2013 09:22 Mocsta wrote: Excuse me... @Sylencia, I hope you have commented on this, (still reading through the thread).. as you did with zarepath. I don't understand what you're saying I should be saying about this. Honestly, I don't understand how keeping a vote on Temil leads to a no-lynch read, since that was never going to be happening? If it's regarding why I kept my own vote, I had already explained that, and if you think further than that situation, if I did switch my vote, I would only be leaving myself up to scum manipulation if I am questioned about vote switching and the only answer I can truly give is "No, I don't necessarily think he is scummy, but I was just bandwagoning because I didn't want to be the only one voting jampi." | ||
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if so, the question then applies to Omni. | ||
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Guys, there are 7 players remaining... 5 town.. 2 scum... if we lynch a townie on Day2, there will be 3 town, 2 scum on Day3.. which is essentially game over. The only way we can avoid lynching a townie is if you guys speak up more. Share your thoughts. I am taking a step back today, I think it is important we give everyone a chance to speak fairly, with being threatened. If you don't know where to start.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389091¤tpage=30#591 might be a good spot to look at for guiding questions. | ||
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On January 06 2013 13:18 Mocsta wrote: Maybe I got confused.. i thought you called out zarepath for wanting to no-lynch.. perhaps it was Omni. if so, the question then applies to Omni. I only gave the reasons why no lynch was bad to him. When I voted for him, it was a slight influence, as well as what I had also written, but as I just said before, I don't understand how not changing from Temil suggests no lynch. | ||
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On January 06 2013 13:37 Sylencia wrote: I only gave the reasons why no lynch was bad to him. When I voted for him, it was a slight influence, as well as what I had also written, but as I just said before, I don't understand how not changing from Temil suggests no lynch. I am in/out heaps today, so maybe I didnt read it properly. The thing is to do with Spaghetticus. On January 06 2013 05:33 Spaghetticus wrote: When Mocsta switched, TeMiL was no longer on the chopping block at all, by keeping my vote on him I was basically giving a null read of my intentions: a no-lynch. The key point being by keeping my vote on him I was basically giving a null read of my intentions: a no-lynch. What is your take on Spaghetticus and him detailing his final intention as to award a "no-lynch". (I think its quite contradictory, and I do not recall him stating a no-lynch was on the cards at any point in the game (for his vote) | ||
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Post Count Summary Intent: To identify participants "flying under the radar" and not actively contributing. The intent is not to provide a quality check on posts That onus falls upon all of town individually. Session 6 From: 05-Jan: 2130 To: 06-Jan: 0800 + Show Spoiler +
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Mocsta I am confused as to what is happening in your dialogue with Sylencia, so I'll butt out and let this run it's course. When you want an explanation just holla. I hope the rest of you are reading the thread or sleeping, because this much activity after an NK is sort of unacceptable. We have a lot of information to sift through (more than ever before!), why would everyone be inactive? | ||
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