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On August 21 2012 22:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay so I'm wasting my time here. Neat.
Next time I have an unconventional problem I'll come up with a more conventional means of handling it. Lesson learned.
You guys enjoy the rest of the game! For the record, I didn't do my pokemon justice - I wasn't feeling very creative when I made it and was depending on the rest of you guys to come up with the good stuff. Judging from my role, you didn't disappoint.
what the crap is this man...
Are you saying you're ragequitting like bugs did last game?
Or are you claiming your role has some kind of restriction or condition that makes you die somehow, like drazerk did in holy roman mafia?
seriously, what's with this post?
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On August 21 2012 23:29 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 23:19 Dirkzor wrote:
After looking through it appears it was hopeless1der... I disagree with me hoping on your wagon. I actually decided not to vote you because 5 others had already voted 2 of which had done so with no reason at all. I just voices my opinion about the case and my (wrong) findings.
Why would the number of people voting him already factor into why you would vote him or not? Only scum worry about shit like that - town either find someone suspicious enough to vote or they don't, and you seemed plenty enough suspicious, especially considering your "findings" after doing meta research. Obviously your "findings" were wrong because you weren't even looking at the right player, but you thought it was right at the time...so why no vote? You can't even use the excuse of "Oh I was saving it for you" because you mentioned me in that post as well and didn't vote for me.
I didn't vote because I wasn't convinced. Combine that with some people voting for him with no reason whatsoever made me hesitant. And I wasn't saving it for you... that came later.
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I guess this town is content with letting scum make votes in the voting thread without any justification in this thread
I agree that the case wbg put together on allinson was correct, in that he acknowledged he was being useless and in fact did not care. Allinson continues to not be helpful, his case vs S&B looks to me to be a case that he put together, for the sake of putting a case together. Not to find scum. It sums up like this, S&B has a bad case so he is a good scum candidate. Not only this, but now he is shitting up the thread with a lot of very defensive posts, none of which change the fact that he is posting without any intent of finding scum. While this is happening he is trying to throw the heat from himself onto a fairly easy target, Dirkzor, then convienently as this is happening BC comes in with a case against Dirkzor to try to give this shift some speed. It seems like the couple are communicating in scum chat, no?
I wouldn't mind hearing others opinions on this, for now I am just gunna keep an eye on it and challenge allinson to post something useful towards catching scum, or at least that can generate discussion that will help to find scum.
Mattchew still hasn't been around and said anything that makes me want to change my vote as of now.
My next highest target would be hopelessder just for the fact he ninja voted, and everytime I try to tell people that, the thread gets shittered up for the fact of burying it, and it doesn't get acknowledged. THERE IS ZERO TOWN MOTIVATION TO VOTE WITHOUT JUSTIFICATION OR EVEN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. It might seem like too obvious of a mistake to make as scum, but I think that is bullshit. I think scum is perfectly happy at how spammy the thread is and wanted to sneak by without bringing any attention to themselves.
As for VE, I think VE is just being VE. (not in a good way that is) If he gets anywhere close to more than a couple votes, he will go into defensive rage mode, claim his role, derail the thread so hard and it will be the easiest mislynch scum could ever push from that situation. He could be scum but I don't think the evidence against him right now is the greatest. I would wait it out to analyse more posts of him and his actions in lynching situations.
Just my 2 cents on whats going on right now.
TLDR; Hopelessder still ninja voted nobody cares.
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I still want Kurumi dead the most 
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btw imallinson played on newbie mini VIII. I didn't take the time to actually read his posts here because I don't have it, but if you guys want to check it out. He also played on two other games but he had very little amount of posts do I assume he died night1 on both.
##Vote Hopeless1der
Until you explain your vote. Or post something useful at all.
Reading through Dirkzor/VE interchange, I'm inclined to believe Dirkzor is in a better position contrary to popular belief I guess.
Let's look objectively at it from Dirkzor's POV. He first posts this:
On August 21 2012 16:26 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 09:08 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 09:06 Mattchew wrote:On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently. My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say? I'd like a more informed read to lynch off of and I agree that SnB's case is weak, but I still have a scum read on Draz. He is back peddling and clearly nervous while trying to act like he's been cool calm and collected the entire game. You also haven't voted a weak read early (to provoke reaction) and said my vote is my tool or w.e you say, so I wouldn't be completely against lynching you currently You're not alone - but I strongly advise against it. I'm town and intend to show it soon enough. But my vote IS a tool, that much has not changed. I'm just using it differently this game than you're used to seeing. A fancy way of saying: My meta have changed... and that are always bullshit that people say when they think people got caught with some meta stuff. Eyes on VE.
He isn't wrong here. I don't think that makes VE scum, but that does create some suspicion. Exactly what Dirkzor does.
later, VE posts the following:
VisceraEyes posted on August 21 2012 17:15:
@Wiggles
I don't like where your vote is right now. I think it would be more useful elsewhere. Like Drazerk or Dirkzor. I can agree that the grush wagon isn't going anywhere, but I DISAGREE that my reasoning is a "cop-out" or that what I'm doing is "anti-town". I get that you think I don't care about finding scum, but I think you'll find that you're mistaken.
Prior to this post in specific, he had never mentioned Dirkzor. Ever. Why suddenly Dirkzor is a good targetd to Wiggles(who is voting VE) switch into? Why not just say "Like Drazerk."? To me, that's throwing random suspicion in order to see if it latches.
That's exactly what Dirkzor mentions. He votes VE because he noticed this "or Dirkzor" and realized that it is a way to throw suspicion and hoping it to latch.
VE's response? "You added nothing new to my case". But wait! Dirkzor DID add something new: the part I just mentioned, where VE throws a suspicion without ever mentioning a reason on him.
From here onwards, the discussion becomes a mess of big nothing. Dirkzor had a small suspicion of VE and voted him when he saw something big on VE's play, but VE accuses him of not voting him earlier(OF course he didn't vote earlier, it was the later post that convinced Dirkzor). VE's whole "case" on Dirkzor is that he waited to vote.
I'll admit the whole "Dirkzor lied about the meta case" makes him look bad, but I'm also willing to believe he researched the wrong guy.
On August 21 2012 21:47 VisceraEyes wrote:I can kill Zephirdd too, honestly. His filter consists mostly of setup speculation, but this doesn't bother me as his love of the Pokemans is well documented. What bothers me is this. Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 08:28 Zephirdd wrote:
How about the "lynch whoever throws KP around randomly"?
Also I am a medic. Go figure. There are a couple of things he could be doing here: he's either a medic claiming in the worst first post in TL town history, he's a townie who is NOT a medic and is attempting to draw roleblocks/NKs, or he's scum attempting something really profoundly stupid. From a strategic viability standpoint, I certainly HOPE it's the second one, but from a realistic standpoint and given everything else he's done in the thread (read: nothing) I'm inclined to believe that he's actually scum. He's almost certainly not a town medic, and if he is I hope I'm never town with him again. Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 13:04 Zephirdd wrote:
I like the idea of lynching grush because he's been somewhat terrible. But if you think about it the same could be applied to Kenpachi. Or Drazerk. Yet them being terrible always netted some scum in games. I'm not that much of a fan of policy lynching either... I mean, it worked quite well for VE, but it's always bad for the town on the game when you do it and he was just playing badly.
Besides, he claimed starsenses. That means he is town right? This is his next post with "content". In this post he literally sas "I like the idea of policy lynching grush, but I'm not that much of a fan of policy lynching". Literally. It's the very soul of wishy-washy scum posting. Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 22:06 Zephirdd wrote:Hey I'm rereading!
On August 20 2012 08:37 Mementoss wrote:On August 20 2012 08:28 Zephirdd wrote:
How about the "lynch whoever throws KP around randomly"?
Also I am a medic. Go figure. This is the worst role claim since VE every game I've played with him. This is PTP. I got med. who knows what comes next. np I'm not VE; I am much cuter.
On August 20 2012 08:44 kitaman27 wrote:On August 20 2012 07:49 Kenpachi wrote:
hi guys im Kenpachi and im Town On August 20 2012 08:13 grush57 wrote:
Hey.
I'm town with blue. On August 20 2012 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
Hi all. I am town. Hey look, a bunch of individuals are clearly breadcrumbing the town role pm! How clever! But wait a minute, everyone knows this is against the rules. So what are the odds that the mafia team also has the town role pm or happened to pick up on the crumb and has decided to use it gain town cred? Sneaky sneaky! Lynch bugs first? Let me see if I got this right... you noticed the pokealliance is breadcrumbing the role PM and then you decide that it's likely that they are scum and therefore should be lynched...?
On August 20 2012 09:07 grush57 wrote:
Anyways, no scum would be retarded enough to be this active early.
If anything they would be in a position asking the questions while not doing anything themselves like drazerk(or anyone else really)
However, the only way to prove your innocence is to catch scum.
U C? I know you are banned, but I want to mention how stupid this is. Being so active this early IS a scum trait. It's the time of the day where there is the lowest amount of information and you can always justify whatever happened during this phase as "trolling" or "baiting". I've done that as scum before.
Throughout what I've been reading, kitaman looks incredibly annoyed about the whole "coloring town blue" thing. I mean, it's in the OP as people mentioned, and being a PTP every town is blue. Anybody else thinks he got annoyed because he thought that would confirm them as town, and therefore make life a hell for scum?
+ Show Spoiler [useless stuff for the game] +On August 20 2012 09:34 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 09:31 Zephirdd wrote:On August 20 2012 08:28 Kurumi wrote:On August 20 2012 08:26 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 08:22 Kurumi wrote:On August 20 2012 08:21 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 08:20 deconduo wrote:
Scum KP is hidden. Then scum only have the KP roles people made Pretty much all I'm gathering from this No that means Kp was balanced accordingly to the roles they got. That is so easy. I honestly prefer my line of reasoning to that. Static KP means players become more important to others and gives trackers / watchers to have more power Themed games are not an exception of "make setups fair" rule. That is just the usual cleaning hosts do. Role cops are the strongest roles out there pretty much , but given that you can make really strong roles I wouldnt be surprised if I have seen a Cop checking everything and so on . What if I told you you can create rolecop immune roles. Shut up you wannabe Zapdos , you are nothing but a common pidgeon with eggs Zephir with double d's, pfffff I now know the meaning of Zephyr. I never knew. I thought Zephirdd was a cool name. TT
I've played with drazerk before. I understand what he means. Someone has to shoot him; not early because he is a cool scum bite, but late when we don't want him around lylo. That's how I see it. I'd say grush is pretty much the same. I don't remember Kenpachi ever flipping scum so I don't really care, but he always somehow dies sooner or later for some odd mechanical game-specific reason lol
On August 20 2012 13:09 BioSC wrote:On August 20 2012 12:48 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 12:44 BioSC wrote:On August 20 2012 12:42 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 12:32 BioSC wrote:
Well, it will stop me from accusing him of being scum I guess. Wait you haven't actually posted anything yet... It was more a reference to my last game with him. What would you like to talk about, darling? Top 3 scum targets IDK Man, with grush being banned, my whole world got turned upside down!thoughts on the 4/25 lol I'm entering the thread posts Strange, but not in and of itself a scumtell to me.What is the meaning to life? Bacon What does grush being banned has to do with anything? If you think he is scum you make a case against him. And it's 42.
Finally. On August 20 2012 21:54 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 21:52 Toadesstern wrote:
I was SO going to post it :p Something tells me you was trying to talk to the person who actually had metronome though... You wereAnd Toad, what did that do? Did it do anything at all? >_> Oh Oh Oh is it like I suggested pregame? you use a random ability from any player in the game??? *___* The parts I bolded are Zephirdd literally just shoveling shit hoping something sticks. I can get behind a Zephirdd lynch in addition to a Drazerk/Dirkzor lynch. Now, to decide which scummy bastard gets my vote. ##Unvote
This post I was throwing my thoughts while reading the thread.
Kitaman hasn't posted much since, but I have my eyes on him. That is what you'd call "having suspicion without voting". I don't even remember kita answering that to me, which only makes it worse. However, right now, I think that is a subject for another time.
Second bolded part about Drazerk is a contradiction to you. By your logic, me and Drazerk are part of the same scum team. By your logic, I'm asking people to shoot my teammate day 1. You just played a scum game with me, you know I don't bus people until later in the game.
Besides, I'm just agreeing with Drazerk himself - that he needs to be shot lategame. I'm not throwing random shit and seeing if it latches(like you did with dirkzor HEYOOO), I'm just trying to make sense of the thread while I'm reading it.
Anyways I'll keep my vote on Hopeless1der until he posts something, and will switch into VE to consolidate unless something big happens. Gonna work now... and it's possible I'll have little time to read prior to deadline, so don't fret when I just vote VE on the voting thread! I'll answer any concerns at night when I'm done raiding with my guild(which should be in about 12 hours from now).
Good day guys!
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lol @ meme ninja
I was writing man geeez
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On August 21 2012 23:36 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 22:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay so I'm wasting my time here. Neat.
Next time I have an unconventional problem I'll come up with a more conventional means of handling it. Lesson learned.
You guys enjoy the rest of the game! For the record, I didn't do my pokemon justice - I wasn't feeling very creative when I made it and was depending on the rest of you guys to come up with the good stuff. Judging from my role, you didn't disappoint. what the crap is this man... Are you saying you're ragequitting like bugs did last game? Or are you claiming your role has some kind of restriction or condition that makes you die somehow, like drazerk did in holy roman mafia? seriously, what's with this post?
It was me giving up trying to discuss anything with you because your mind is made up. Now I have to flip before you'll shut up about it, and I'm saying that I'm aware of that and concede that nothing I can say is going to convince you otherwise. So good job Big. You caught a townie. Hopefully your aim improves if you're town.
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I know my case against SaB isn't great and at this point I think I'm just going to drop it. At the moment I'm trying to figure Dirk out because I'm still not convinced that it was an honest mistake and in general he is acting quite scummy. As for hopelessder I agree that the ninja vote is suspicious but until he actually is here and can defend it nothing can be done to further that cause.
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I mentioned Dirk when I asked BC to clarify his post on Dirk. And when he responded I told him that his thoughts "weren't terrible"...indicating that I agreed with him that Dirk is suspicious. All of this "VE threw in Dirk from nowhere" is nonsense, if I'd said anything about ANYONE it could almost be argued that I just "threw them in from nowhere" because I'VE BEEN TRYING TO LYNCH GRUSH.
The whole case on me is "Policy Lynch = Scum" and...what, my lack of scumhunting? While trying to push a policy lynch? HMMMMKAY GUYS!
I'm not going to let you lynch me, so get it out of your heads now. Start thinking of other candidates.
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No, mementoss you're absolutely right, I should have discussed what I was doing and why. Sadly I don't have much time right now and I most likely won't be back until after the deadline.
I responded first hand to allinson going on about how roles in ptp are not normal. The entire exchange didn't really do anything for finding scum as bugs was quick to point out and vote. I was already nursing suspicions on allinson, the case made sense and I sheeped it. You've already noted that his S&B case was loosely put together and more for the sake of looking like he's finding scum. I'm fine with my vote where it is.
You also point out that you think the case on allinson is correct - ie. he'll flip scum.
Certainly I'm not the most reliable source of information on this subject, but why would I ninja-vote my supposed scumbuddy, especially that early?
I doubt I get back before the deadline, but I'll be more active tonight (assuming I live through the day of course).
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On August 21 2012 23:49 Toadesstern wrote:I still want Kurumi dead the most
Nobody cares about a liar and scum like you so go cry to your goddaddy, maybe he will give you a damn candy.
This post confirms that you are around and refusing to contribute on things like I just saw (allin , viscera) . Your case is laughable aswell. You lied about having a way to kill Drazerk (unless that metronome crap is a lie too) and hesitated to do so anyway. To add to this, you are claiming he is scum. Sorry man , get off my playground.
So as the Kiddyscumtoad case is closed , let me move on reading the rest of the pages , not the latest one and some looks at the rest and the Toad filter
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On August 21 2012 23:42 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 23:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 23:19 Dirkzor wrote:
After looking through it appears it was hopeless1der... I disagree with me hoping on your wagon. I actually decided not to vote you because 5 others had already voted 2 of which had done so with no reason at all. I just voices my opinion about the case and my (wrong) findings.
Why would the number of people voting him already factor into why you would vote him or not? Only scum worry about shit like that - town either find someone suspicious enough to vote or they don't, and you seemed plenty enough suspicious, especially considering your "findings" after doing meta research. Obviously your "findings" were wrong because you weren't even looking at the right player, but you thought it was right at the time...so why no vote? You can't even use the excuse of "Oh I was saving it for you" because you mentioned me in that post as well and didn't vote for me. I didn't vote because I wasn't convinced. Combine that with some people voting for him with no reason whatsoever made me hesitant. And I wasn't saving it for you... that came later.
This isn't what you said. What you said is bolded in the original quote. You didn't say anything ABOUT not being convinced, you said "I decided not to vote you because 5 others had already". Yes, you then add that 2 others did so with no reasoning, but the reason you gave for not voting him was "because 5 others had already".
This isn't me twisting words, this is me trying to understand what you're saying.
So are you NOW saying that the fact that the guy had 5 votes did NOT factor into why you didn't vote for allin, in spite of being in agreement with the case? Even though that was your given reason initially?
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EBWOP fuck forgot to bold it. You get what I'm asking though. Why the sudden change in stance? You agreed with the case, and now you're saying you don't agree with the case? Or are you just more sure about me? Did you not vote because he had 5 votes already? Or did you not vote because you weren't convinced?
TAKE A STANCE DIRK
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Viscera , why are you pursuing a policy lynch and a guy who can flip medic ? That is pure scum agenda. You are also filling the thread with fluff , wbg's connection to allin is interesting aswell. Why so scummy my dear?
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VE what do you think of bugs and allinson
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The thing I don't understand about the VE being scum talk is why, if he were scum, would he be going at Grush so hard. Everyone agrees that Grush is probably going to hinder the town even if he is town which sounds like someone scum would like to keep around. Also given that scum for the most part aren't too bothered about who is lynched why would a scum VE not drop it after so many people say it makes him look scummy.
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I'm done pursuing a policy lynch, because there has to be a lynch involved and no one is interested.
ANYONE CAN FLIP MEDIC ARE YOU SAYING YOU BELIEVE A NO-PRESSURE FIRST POST OF THE GAME MEDIC CLAIM KURUMI? AM I GONNA HAVE TO SMACK A KURUMI? THAT'S A BAD KURUMI!!!
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On August 22 2012 00:34 Mattchew wrote:
VE what do you think of bugs and allinson
Bugs is confusing. Like, okay...my grush lynch wasn't well-received. I expected it, sure...but the fact that he's completely ignoring everything else I do or say is a little suspicious I guess. Not a good lynch today.
AllIn I'm definitely NOT convinced of right now. It's being presented as a "solid" case, but honestly I'm not seeing it. I see more of a case to be made against Draz or Dirk or Zeph than I do allin. I can consolidate on allin, but it will be strictly for the purpose of securing a lynch for town...NOT because I believe in the case.
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Oh , BC posted something about me too ! Dunno , my statement about cops was fueled by "you can check if people are lying" that was what I was thinking , so whatever . You look quite confident in your day one findings too Bc. Anyway that is all I do agree on all's case, but you can get it out from my stance on Viscera.
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On August 22 2012 00:08 Kurumi wrote:Nobody cares about a liar and scum like you so go cry to your goddaddy, maybe he will give you a damn candy. This post confirms that you are around and refusing to contribute on things like I just saw (allin , viscera) . Your case is laughable aswell. You lied about having a way to kill Drazerk (unless that metronome crap is a lie too) and hesitated to do so anyway. To add to this, you are claiming he is scum. Sorry man , get off my playground. So as the Kiddyscumtoad case is closed , let me move on reading the rest of the pages , not the latest one and some looks at the rest and the Toad filter
I guess that settles that. You really want me to rage and go into hypnoToad-mode and nothing else.
##vote Kurumi
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