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VE you can't just deduce my sentence so they make the point you want. "...because 5 others had already voted 2 of which had done so with no reason at all." Was the sentence. That means "I didn't vote because 5 had already voted 2 of which had done so with no reason at all". NOT "Because 5 other had voted". Period.
I've never changed my stance about allinson. He appears scummy to me because of his meek and apologetic attitude. I wanted to see how that was in other games to find out how much weight I should put on this info. When he (still wrong) meta came of different the case had more merit. No place have I gone all out bananas calling him 100% scum and being my top target. I have just agreed that the points have merit and more such because of the (wrong) meta. This was however not enough for me to vote him and I didn't.
And yes 2 out of 5 people voting on him without reason had an influence and also the fact that the 5 votes on him came relativly fast after eachother. I wanted to see how it progressed without me adding my vote to the wagon.
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United Kingdom3482 Posts
Well I have to go out and I'm not sure if I will be back before the deadline. I've tried to defend myself as best as I can. As for who I think is scum, I'd go for either Dirk or hopeless just from bad/weird posting that strikes me as scummy (Dirk for wagons and I'm still not convinced of his mistake. Hopeless because of the ninja voting and not providing a good reason for it). Out of the two I still think Dirk is the more suspicious and vote for him.
##Vote: Dirkzor
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On August 22 2012 00:47 Dirkzor wrote:
VE you can't just deduce my sentence so they make the point you want. "...because 5 others had already voted 2 of which had done so with no reason at all." Was the sentence. That means "I didn't vote because 5 had already voted 2 of which had done so with no reason at all". NOT "Because 5 other had voted". Period.
I've never changed my stance about allinson. He appears scummy to me because of his meek and apologetic attitude. I wanted to see how that was in other games to find out how much weight I should put on this info. When he (still wrong) meta came of different the case had more merit. No place have I gone all out bananas calling him 100% scum and being my top target. I have just agreed that the points have merit and more such because of the (wrong) meta. This was however not enough for me to vote him and I didn't.
And yes 2 out of 5 people voting on him without reason had an influence and also the fact that the 5 votes on him came relativly fast after eachother. I wanted to see how it progressed without me adding my vote to the wagon.
But the case has merit or it doesn't - that's my point. You said the case had merit, verily even MORE merit given your (wrong) meta yet you STILL weren't convinced enough to vote?
But, conversely, Wiggles' prod for me to get scumhunting and SnB's confirmation bias because I called his Draz case shitty was enough for you to vote me?
Naaaah bro, that's not how we do things. I have a pretty firm grasp on what NOT to do, because I do it so very often. This is a textbook case of how we do NOT do things.
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##Vote: Dirkzor
Unless Zeph picks up steam. Somehow I doubt it considering no one is even MENTIONING my case.
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On August 22 2012 00:40 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 00:34 Mattchew wrote:
VE what do you think of bugs and allinson Bugs is confusing. Like, okay...my grush lynch wasn't well-received. I expected it, sure...but the fact that he's completely ignoring everything else I do or say is a little suspicious I guess. Not a good lynch today. AllIn I'm definitely NOT convinced of right now. It's being presented as a "solid" case, but honestly I'm not seeing it. I see more of a case to be made against Draz or Dirk or Zeph than I do allin. I can consolidate on allin, but it will be strictly for the purpose of securing a lynch for town...NOT because I believe in the case.
I think this and your post on Zeph are your most substantive post in the game thus far and makes me want to lynch you less.
However another problem with your play to me is you haven't tried to confirm any other "vet" as town to work with. You know that you and bugs/bc/toad/whoever could really become a benefit to town yet you refuse to work with just about anyone.
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##vote dirkzor
I like this wagon
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I want to trust BC but he's SO SCARY AS SCUM 
It helps that he sees what I'm seeing in Dirk, but I don't know if I'm suspicious of Dirk because of BC or if I'm trusting BC because of how scummy Dirk seems now...
Ugh, no more all-nighters.
I could feasibly work with Toad, but he tends to disagree with just about anything I say seemingly because it's me saying it. Not anything from this game in particular, just something I've noticed when we're in games together (it's one of the reasons our LI shenannies were so believable, actually).
Bugs never works with me. Ever.
I tried to prod Wiggles, but all that earned me was a vote.
Bum is suspicious to me givin the way he was posting earlier....not so much his opposition of the grush wagon because that's understandable - more the way he was seemingly trying to argue with me about it without like...arguing with me...if that makes any sense.
I'm trying guy.
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yeah i actually noticed when making that list that there was way less vets in this game then i thought
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No, there are quite a few actually. Depending on your standards, the game is almost half "vets".
It's just that I've been ostracized because of my Policy Lynch talk. It's like I've got damned leprosy.
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On August 21 2012 23:53 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 23:36 strongandbig wrote:On August 21 2012 22:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay so I'm wasting my time here. Neat.
Next time I have an unconventional problem I'll come up with a more conventional means of handling it. Lesson learned.
You guys enjoy the rest of the game! For the record, I didn't do my pokemon justice - I wasn't feeling very creative when I made it and was depending on the rest of you guys to come up with the good stuff. Judging from my role, you didn't disappoint. what the crap is this man... Are you saying you're ragequitting like bugs did last game? Or are you claiming your role has some kind of restriction or condition that makes you die somehow, like drazerk did in holy roman mafia? seriously, what's with this post? It was me giving up trying to discuss anything with you because your mind is made up. Now I have to flip before you'll shut up about it, and I'm saying that I'm aware of that and concede that nothing I can say is going to convince you otherwise. So good job Big. You caught a townie. Hopefully your aim improves if you're town.
MMkay as long as you're not ragequitting the whole game.
So VE you're still on my "maybe scum" list but I want to go for a lynch that will hit scum this time around, and I'm starting to feel better about imallinson. A few things:
On August 21 2012 22:19 imallinson wrote:
The other thing I noticed about what Dirk said about my previous games is that he seems to agree fairly strongly with my being scum, even adding his own argument against me (the meta stuff) but doesn't actually back it up with a vote. This looks a lot like someone trying to push the vote onto an easy target but not actually committing to it himself.
Essentially parroting VE in his argument with dirkzor.
+ Show Spoiler [an aside] +IMO the argument that "you thought someone was scum but didn't vote for them yet" is pretty terrible. The threshold for voting changes as you get closer to deadline, and it's also tactical, and it's also pressure. Just because you find someone convincing doesn't mean they're scum.
On August 21 2012 23:55 imallinson wrote:
I know my case against SaB isn't great and at this point I think I'm just going to drop it. At the moment I'm trying to figure Dirk out because I'm still not convinced that it was an honest mistake and in general he is acting quite scummy. As for hopelessder I agree that the ninja vote is suspicious but until he actually is here and can defend it nothing can be done to further that cause.
I don't like this one bit, the bolded part.
On August 22 2012 00:47 imallinson wrote:
Well I have to go out and I'm not sure if I will be back before the deadline. I've tried to defend myself as best as I can. As for who I think is scum, I'd go for either Dirk or hopeless just from bad/weird posting that strikes me as scummy (Dirk for wagons and I'm still not convinced of his mistake. Hopeless because of the ninja voting and not providing a good reason for it). Out of the two I still think Dirk is the more suspicious and vote for him.
##Vote: Dirkzor
"defend myself as best I can" = like one sentence, then making a case on me, then jumping in on VE's argument with dirkzor. okay.
##unvote: VE
##vote: imallinson
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So do you disagree with my case on Zeph SnB? Because you haven't even mentioned it as existing, in spite of your read of me lightening. I've posted it twice to try and get our fucking attention with it, and you still haven't even acknowledged it.
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Meowth used payday on VisceraEyes!
Ouch that hurt!
(colors are not reflective of alignment)
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Cool well I've taken damage. It wasn't very effecitve.
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On August 21 2012 16:47 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I might have missed it, but are we allowed to divulge information about the roles we created? Can we claim what we made or reveal role mechanics? Thanks.
Yes, as soon as one Pokemon has been killed and flipped.
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On August 22 2012 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
So do you disagree with my case on Zeph SnB? Because you haven't even mentioned it as existing, in spite of your read of me lightening. I've posted it twice to try and get our fucking attention with it, and you still haven't even acknowledged it.
i only have like one minute before i have to leave to catch the bus
i agree that his medic claim was retarded and i like that you brought it up
the fact that he stuck with it later seems to indicate it wasn't just doing shit for the sake of doing it
but I'm not sure why you conclude he's scum and not trying to draw nk's
idk, i could see him being scum but i'd rather lynch imallinson or drazerk
i was just thinking about drazerk, he's said in this game "don't claim type" and then claimed type, and he's said 'i always justify my actions" but iirc he hasn't justified claiming type yet.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Bah I had forgotten that the deadlines this game were so early. I should have caught up with the thread this morning, rather than saving it for my 20 minute lunch. Unforutnately I won't be back by the deadline.
Something I meant to mention earlier is that we should strongly consider taking role claims once a lynch is almost certainly decided. Unlike normal games, fake claims are much less likely due to the fact that someone else has submitted it. A role claim may allow a scum player to live an extra night, if we aren't careful, but if a town aligned player about to be lynched is offering up a confirmable role that shows they have the town's best interest in mind, we should consider following through with it.
The post bugs had pointed out about imallinson being wishy-washy was something that I had noticed as well. Hopefully bugs isn't taking advantage of a poorly constructed newbie post, but I don't have someone better to put forward right now. I wish I had more time to look into people who aren't attracting much attention like bum, mattchew or chezinu, but unfortunately I don't. Also, I'm concerned that draz has dropped off activity.
VE is still a head case (<3).
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On August 22 2012 00:58 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 00:47 Dirkzor wrote:
VE you can't just deduce my sentence so they make the point you want. "...because 5 others had already voted 2 of which had done so with no reason at all." Was the sentence. That means "I didn't vote because 5 had already voted 2 of which had done so with no reason at all". NOT "Because 5 other had voted". Period.
I've never changed my stance about allinson. He appears scummy to me because of his meek and apologetic attitude. I wanted to see how that was in other games to find out how much weight I should put on this info. When he (still wrong) meta came of different the case had more merit. No place have I gone all out bananas calling him 100% scum and being my top target. I have just agreed that the points have merit and more such because of the (wrong) meta. This was however not enough for me to vote him and I didn't.
And yes 2 out of 5 people voting on him without reason had an influence and also the fact that the 5 votes on him came relativly fast after eachother. I wanted to see how it progressed without me adding my vote to the wagon. But the case has merit or it doesn't - that's my point. You said the case had merit, verily even MORE merit given your (wrong) meta yet you STILL weren't convinced enough to vote? But, conversely, Wiggles' prod for me to get scumhunting and SnB's confirmation bias because I called his Draz case shitty was enough for you to vote me? Naaaah bro, that's not how we do things. I have a pretty firm grasp on what NOT to do, because I do it so very often. This is a textbook case of how we do NOT do things.
I've never said the case doesn't had merits. It can be a case with good points and still be weak. And it IS weak. Thats why I didn't vote (and for you to not call me out for changing my mind i have to add and the fact that the wagon was forming so fast also mede me hesitant.
And yes the cases on you and your "why not focus on someone else then me" part made it enough for me to vote you. And if the case wasn't on you, you might have been able to see that the cases on you have more power then the one on allinson.
All that being said you are starting to lose the redness.
I really think we should look somewhere else then the current targets for scum tbh. A lot of people are awefull quite these last 12h and that makes we wonder that we are all town yelling at eachother.
On August 22 2012 01:13 Mattchew wrote:
##vote dirkzor
I like this wagon
Wtf is this?
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If no one claims that shot within the next 5 minutes, I'm going to treat it as a scum shot, and Meowth becomes an instant lynch/shot.
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On August 22 2012 01:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Cool well I've taken damage. It wasn't very effecitve.
Cool, so you just claimed you're a rocktype because the attack (Pay Day according to Greymist) is a normal attack right?
About how dead are you? :p
Still considering who to blast away myself.
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On August 22 2012 02:13 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
If no one claims that shot within the next 5 minutes, I'm going to treat it as a scum shot, and Meowth becomes an instant lynch/shot.
You trying to hunt KP roles?
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