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archflames
Profile Joined September 2010
Mexico204 Posts
April 15 2011 20:21 GMT
#581
On April 16 2011 05:06 ahx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 04:38 naolin wrote:
On April 15 2011 00:48 meep wrote:
On April 15 2011 00:47 uberism wrote:
Nice to see two 17 year olds from Mexico at rank 1 and 2 of the ladder (Maker and sixjaxTerran).
Also congrats to the 17 year old xsixMkengyn who was top 5 yesterday. Lots of young players stepping it up on the ladder.


Spanishiwa as well ^^


didn't spanishiwa say in his day9 daily he was philipino

Yes, he specifically said he's 80% Philippine which makes him of Asian decent, not Mexican. Like it matters, just confirming your post.


i think he was just saying that spanishiwa is also 17 years old
Beware the rage of a patient man
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
April 15 2011 20:27 GMT
#582
On April 16 2011 03:39 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
This system is so retarded, ive been on a plane all day but im stuck laddering bcuz if i dont i can never m9kmae maasters.


Artosis: Stop logging into Frozenarbiter's account.
acie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States247 Posts
April 15 2011 20:37 GMT
#583
hopefully blizzard actually announces how to qualify for blizzcon this year rather than secretly inviting 2 players from NA server
Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
April 15 2011 20:48 GMT
#584
On April 16 2011 05:37 acie wrote:
hopefully blizzard actually announces how to qualify for blizzcon this year rather than secretly inviting 2 players from NA server



It would be funny though, to have like CombatEX and some other random ladder guy battle it out for thousands of $$

I'd watch.

And yea i think the system might have some flaws, i see alot of people who are probably top 50 not getting in, really strange.
If wishes were horses we'd be eating steak right now.
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 21:38:18
April 15 2011 21:00 GMT
#585
I have a guess of what happened.

Let's say that GM is top 10.

When a player finishes a game it looks at the ladder and says "Who are the top 10 players that are active by MMR". Is the current player among them? Yes, add to grandmasters.

Then as the grandmasters fills up, some players that were previously inactive suddenly become active. Let's say that 5 players suddenly become active and they fill some of the spots. Now the minimum MMR to get into grandmasters has suddenly jumped leaving some players in grandmasters with a lower MMR than players in masters.

The problem with the grandmasters is it isn't adding the top MMR people, it's adding the top MMR people who are active. If you were inactive near the end of the two weeks of last season, it might be affecting this.
Developer for http://mtgfiddle.com
sickduck
Profile Joined November 2010
United States53 Posts
April 15 2011 21:08 GMT
#586
i know there is a lot of combatEX hate on these forums and rightfully so, but lets face it the guy is pretty good at this game lol
Dance the night away because tomorrow we will look back and talk about good times now gone forever
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
April 15 2011 21:29 GMT
#587
With the korean top 200, let's say that there were 30 inactive players that suddenly become active, then at most there will be 30 players who have a lower MMR than 30 players not in GM.
Developer for http://mtgfiddle.com
Nemasyst.598
Profile Joined February 2011
United States285 Posts
April 15 2011 22:19 GMT
#588
How do these players with terrible w/l ratios get sooo many points? If they are GM or close to GM atleast, then they shouldn't be facing only favored people : /
We require additional young Masters....
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
April 15 2011 22:28 GMT
#589
It would be really neat to have a tool/site (sc2ranks, I'm looking your way) that'd keep track of who gets kicked out of GM league and who gets in. The way Blizzard designed GM, that shouldn't be too many players, right?
Jerax
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada189 Posts
April 15 2011 22:56 GMT
#590
So, lets say a GM player goes on a massive losing streak, he will still not be demoted from GM league? Since the OP says the only way to get demoted is to accumulate 270 bonus pool pts?
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12248 Posts
April 15 2011 22:58 GMT
#591
On April 16 2011 07:56 Jerax wrote:
So, lets say a GM player goes on a massive losing streak, he will still not be demoted from GM league? Since the OP says the only way to get demoted is to accumulate 270 bonus pool pts?


Right. And it's 180 bonus pool not 270 (this was either changed or I was misremembering). But of course, the lower in MMR you get, the harder it gets to earn a lot of points per win which means the harder it is to spend your bonus pool.
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Greenworld
Profile Joined March 2011
93 Posts
April 16 2011 00:45 GMT
#592
On April 16 2011 07:58 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 07:56 Jerax wrote:
So, lets say a GM player goes on a massive losing streak, he will still not be demoted from GM league? Since the OP says the only way to get demoted is to accumulate 270 bonus pool pts?


Right. And it's 180 bonus pool not 270 (this was either changed or I was misremembering). But of course, the lower in MMR you get, the harder it gets to earn a lot of points per win which means the harder it is to spend your bonus pool.



With enaugh playd games he will get the bonus pool spent ... like even if he loses 1000 games in a row he will still manage to win a few games to use the bonus pool
Shadowed
Profile Joined August 2010
United States679 Posts
April 16 2011 00:53 GMT
#593
On April 16 2011 07:28 Conti wrote:
It would be really neat to have a tool/site (sc2ranks, I'm looking your way) that'd keep track of who gets kicked out of GM league and who gets in. The way Blizzard designed GM, that shouldn't be too many players, right?


It's tracked that kind of data for a long time. Given there isn't any real GM league demotions right now, it's not really a priority, but will see in a week or two.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12248 Posts
April 16 2011 00:55 GMT
#594
On April 16 2011 09:45 Greenworld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 07:58 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On April 16 2011 07:56 Jerax wrote:
So, lets say a GM player goes on a massive losing streak, he will still not be demoted from GM league? Since the OP says the only way to get demoted is to accumulate 270 bonus pool pts?


Right. And it's 180 bonus pool not 270 (this was either changed or I was misremembering). But of course, the lower in MMR you get, the harder it gets to earn a lot of points per win which means the harder it is to spend your bonus pool.



With enaugh playd games he will get the bonus pool spent ... like even if he loses 1000 games in a row he will still manage to win a few games to use the bonus pool


It's still possible to win 0 points for a game though. I think if you lost 1000 games you would definitely fall into the "winning 0 points per game" category.
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korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
April 17 2011 12:18 GMT
#595
On April 13 2011 15:40 Rizell wrote:
I really dont understand or like the GM system. For example, how can some great players not make it, while MaryLand is number 11 on EU GM right now with almost 300 games played these past 2 weeks... last season he was a 2800 diamond player... somehow he inflated his MMR high enough to enter GM during these 2 weeks.



Interesting character to follow regarding MMR is Maryland in EU server: http://sc2ranks.com/team/7395738#alltime

He was a diamond player (was in diamond also the first two weeks during season 2), but suddenly in few days he was first promoted to masters and then to grand masters after having massive win streak. After this he has won only 7 in his last 45 1v1 matches. Due to this lose streak he has dropped to 0 points in EU grand masters league. One could suspect that somebody else than him played his character to grand masters. Hopefully this kind of (possible) abuse does not happen much in future ladder seasons, but I am afraid it may become more common, as people cannot be demoted from gm league if they are active.

Regarding Maryland it will be interesting to follow up how his opponent levels progress, if his performance still continues to decrease in the future.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-18 03:07:41
April 18 2011 03:06 GMT
#596
Theres 2 spots unfilled in Korea, am I understanding the OP correctly if I say this means theres 2 players with MMRs high enough to have slots reserved here, that are yet to play any games this season (or enough games), and that nobody has reached their MMR yet?

So, basically if the person with the highest MMR last season just didnt play, he could theoretically be blocking a GM spot until someone else gets that high MMR, someone else who isnt already GM...? Or am I not getting it?

Its kinda funny how many people arent making it into GM... Both LosirA and Ganzi are curently outside it (as am I).

Also everytime I see the two guys with <10 games played and yet still in GM, I want to kill myself.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
April 18 2011 03:16 GMT
#597
On April 18 2011 12:06 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
So, basically if the person with the highest MMR last season just didnt play, he could theoretically be blocking a GM spot until someone else gets that high MMR, someone else who isnt already GM...? Or am I not getting it?


They can block the spot until they hit 180 unused bonus points, at which point they will be immediately replaced by the next person on the list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
ChaseR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Norway1004 Posts
April 18 2011 03:20 GMT
#598
On April 18 2011 12:06 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Theres 2 spots unfilled in Korea, am I understanding the OP correctly if I say this means theres 2 players with MMRs high enough to have slots reserved here, that are yet to play any games this season (or enough games), and that nobody has reached their MMR yet?

So, basically if the person with the highest MMR last season just didnt play, he could theoretically be blocking a GM spot until someone else gets that high MMR, someone else who isnt already GM...? Or am I not getting it?

Its kinda funny how many people arent making it into GM... Both LosirA and Ganzi are curently outside it (as am I).

Also everytime I see the two guys with <10 games played and yet still in GM, I want to kill myself.
Aw poor Jinro I can understand your frustration, there's a guy with 7-1 in GM on EU and someone with 188-153 that went from 820 Master to 0 points GM in like 3 days xD (But he still will keep his spot as long as he spends his bonus pool.)

The system is so damn confusing, I think a way of looking at the ladder for professionals is as a place for free practice, the real competition is in tournaments.
Life is not Fucking Fair and Society is not Fucking Logical - "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
ChrysaliS_
Profile Joined January 2011
United States261 Posts
April 18 2011 04:13 GMT
#599
On April 18 2011 12:16 Lysenko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 12:06 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
So, basically if the person with the highest MMR last season just didnt play, he could theoretically be blocking a GM spot until someone else gets that high MMR, someone else who isnt already GM...? Or am I not getting it?


They can block the spot until they hit 180 unused bonus points, at which point they will be immediately replaced by the next person on the list.


Are you sure this is the case? How much bonus pool does ROOTKitty have? Keeping in mind that NA GM has all 200 slots filled..
Chrysalis.145
2v2SNAX
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada97 Posts
April 18 2011 04:22 GMT
#600
I don't understand why Grand Master allows for players to remain there a whole season. It seems like you should earn the right to keep your seat- so if your MMR falls below the top 300 you should be removed. The hundred separation MMR's will reduce the frequency of players around top 150+ from going on and off all the time.

This would at least give opportunity to master players who improve during a season and earn the right to get into Grandmaster.

I think the system should be changed.
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