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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
July 03 2013 20:24 GMT
#41
On July 04 2013 05:20 digmouse wrote:
To all that thinks Life should be in the Top 10, one reason he is playing so bad atm is he plays a lot of LoL nowadays.
Is this true?

And if it were true - wtf, so you are at the top of the world when new expansion comes, you beat the best players with innovative style and... you just start playing another game? What in the flying fuck. Who does that.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
July 03 2013 20:25 GMT
#42
Innovation is the man!
"Elvis Presley" | Ret was looking at my post in the GSL video by Artosis. | MMA told me I look like Juanfran while we shared an elevator with Scarlett
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-03 20:37:13
July 03 2013 20:25 GMT
#43
Jaedong in June: Record: 31 wins - 11 losses (73.81%)

not even a mention? and I know they were mostly vs foreigners

I also noticed TLPD is missing Life's losses to TLO.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
July 03 2013 20:26 GMT
#44
On July 04 2013 05:25 rift wrote:
Jaedong in June: Record: 31 wins - 11 losses (73.81%)

not even a mention? and I know they were mostly vs foreigners


I'd say his ZvP weakness is too big to give him a spot on the list. He's a killer in the other 2 matchups though.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
ChaosArcher
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany956 Posts
July 03 2013 20:26 GMT
#45
On July 04 2013 05:20 digmouse wrote:
To all that thinks Life should be in the Top 10, one reason he is playing so bad atm is he plays a lot of LoL nowadays. No I'm not trolling or joking.




If this is true i will sit in my room crying for the next 3 days
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
July 03 2013 20:27 GMT
#46
My opinions obviously differ from Team Liquid's Power Rank, but I would like to give some clearly stated reasons to avoid turning this into the angry ranting of a fanboy.

Mvp should be ranked higher.

First of all, let's look at number 7, FanTaSy. FanTaSy is a great player, no doubt, and he sported a pretty good record this month. However, there is a glaring problem - his macro. Floating 1,000+ minerals when it's not a super lategame scenario is a pretty poor display of skill and suggests that he might have lost against better opponents (after all, Life is slumping hard). If you look at #10 (TaeJa) and #9 (Polt), the Power Rank clearly states that Polt is ahead of TaeJa due to the quality of play - TaeJa plays sloppily, while Polt demolishes his opponents. Now compare Mvp and FanTaSy and you will see that Mvp has superior macro and his playstyle is much less sloppy than FanTaSy.

Now, I admit that wouldn't exactly be enough to consider Mvp to be better than FanTaSy. What really puts him over the edge is FanTaSy's 0-2 loss to First. FanTaSy got outplayed hard in those games. First displayed beautiful PvT and in the process, FanTaSy looked mediocre or even bad - whether that is due to First's skill or FanTaSy's mistakes, I cannot tell. Given the way FanTaSy got outplayed hard by First (who is not even close to Top 10) and his obvious macro flaws, I ask you this: could FanTaSy have gone 2-3 against INnoVation in a close series?

It is harder to argue against JangBi, and I do think JangBi deserves a nice placement. However, I do not believe sOs merits such a high ranking. He got shut out by INnoVation (Mvp's 2-3 trumps sOs's 0-4), and beating his teammate isn't very significant because of how wonky the sOs vs. Soulkey series is - teamkills tend to do that. The Asian Indoors Martial Arts tournament had laughably easy competition (only other contender was the only other Korean, Flash).

Personally, I would rank the players like so:

10. TaeJa
9. Polt
8. FanTaSy
7. sOs
6. Mvp
5. JangBi
4. Flash
3. Rain
2. Soulkey
1. INnoVation

Anyway, both monk's Power Ranking and my own are merely opinions! Please don't be offended.
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Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
July 03 2013 20:27 GMT
#47
On July 04 2013 05:07 ThePhan2m wrote:
tbh, I don't think its fair to mix in players like Polt (maybe also Taeja) into a rank where he doesn't even play in Korea in PL or in GSTL. Winning against mostly foreign players doesn't exactly prove top10 position

this
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-03 20:31:55
July 03 2013 20:27 GMT
#48
On July 04 2013 05:24 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 05:20 digmouse wrote:
To all that thinks Life should be in the Top 10, one reason he is playing so bad atm is he plays a lot of LoL nowadays.
Is this true?

And if it were true - wtf, so you are at the top of the world when new expansion comes, you beat the best players with innovative style and... you just start playing another game? What in the flying fuck. Who does that.

Yes it's true, we at here originally planned to invite Life for a HotS China announcement event(which was unfortunately canceled) so there are certain connections to the team. Also he forfeited his Asian Indoor & Martial Arts Games Korean representative seed in favor of MLG Spring, where was him last weekend?
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
EFermi
Profile Joined May 2011
United States165 Posts
July 03 2013 20:28 GMT
#49
Fantasy was listed by Flash as the second best terran in the world (excluding himself).

I'm a bit surprised to see TaeJa up in the top 10.
GO herO, Bunny, JangBi, Savage, BaBy, Pigbaby, StarDust, RoRo, Flying and Soulkey
aristarchus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
July 03 2013 20:28 GMT
#50
It's weird. #2-#7 all seem like they're ranked too high - they don't seem to have been as successful in the last month as you'd expect for the 2nd (or whatever) best player in the world. On the other hand, I have no candidates for people I think have done any better... I think the problem is just that Koreans don't play enough games.
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
July 03 2013 20:30 GMT
#51
Hmmmmmmm. Last month I agreed with pretty much everything, not too sure this time!

Five losses are not enough for me to think that low of Life. I feel like that choice all came down to the loss to Sjow (who played the series of his life). The other three losses don't look nearly as bad without that loss there. I could be wrong and he might be getting into a big slump, but those games were not enough. That said, I'm not sure where I would put him.

Fantasy over Mvp feels off. Maybe this was written before First crushed him, but I'd feel the same way regardless.

I also don't think sOs is way too high. His PvT looked cool at first, but I just don't think he is solid enough at the matchup at all. Even looking past Innovation's 4-0, he's still 1-4 in PvT the past month. I'd put sOs below Jangbi for sure, and probably Fantasy and Mvp as well. Shit, he would maaaaaybe be the player I'd bump off for Life. Really hard to say though since I also think it is hard to place Taeja and Polt.

Alright let me try to put my jumbled thoughts together.

1. Innovation
2. Soulkey
3. Flash
4. Rain
5. Jangbi
6. Mvp
7. Fantasy
8. sOs
9. Life
10. Taeja/Polt/Symbol/Parting, goddamn they feel close

I guess. Man this is hard.
jackslater
Profile Joined November 2012
Russian Federation604 Posts
July 03 2013 20:30 GMT
#52
Innovation, Soulkey wow wow awesomness
Scville
Profile Joined May 2013
43 Posts
July 03 2013 20:31 GMT
#53
Azubu Symbol ''...In the OSL Ro32, though he eventually made it through, it was the same story as last month, as he only beat mediocre players in ZvZ to do so.''

''In the OSL Ro32, though he eventually made it through, it was the same story as last month, as he only beat mediocre players in ZvZ to do so.''

I'm pretty sure those mediocre code s players are better than TLO and Snute.

And why the fuck MVP is only rank 8? Seriously he almost defeated Innovation in a bo5 and Jangbi is rank6 because he won some bo1? Oh my god

And parting isn't in top 10 anymore because he lost a bo1 against Supernova? Jesus Christ.

And while Parting plays against 100x harder opponents and is still 6-4, Taeja is in top 10 because he barely won against TLO and Snute.

Such a joke.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
July 03 2013 20:31 GMT
#54
so Flash is number 3 for uh... a decent proleague record (5-3) and losses to Taiwanese player Fly and sOs in the "secret" asian indoor martial arts tournament?

or is he number 3 because he is Flash? he's certainly a good player, but top 3 in the world for close to no results seems a 'little' bit off.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
July 03 2013 20:33 GMT
#55
On July 04 2013 05:27 Entirety wrote:
My opinions obviously differ from Team Liquid's Power Rank, but I would like to give some clearly stated reasons to avoid turning this into the angry ranting of a fanboy.

Mvp should be ranked higher.

First of all, let's look at number 7, FanTaSy. FanTaSy is a great player, no doubt, and he sported a pretty good record this month. However, there is a glaring problem - his macro. Floating 1,000+ minerals when it's not a super lategame scenario is a pretty poor display of skill and suggests that he might have lost against better opponents (after all, Life is slumping hard). If you look at #10 (TaeJa) and #9 (Polt), the Power Rank clearly states that Polt is ahead of TaeJa due to the quality of play - TaeJa plays sloppily, while Polt demolishes his opponents. Now compare Mvp and FanTaSy and you will see that Mvp has superior macro and his playstyle is much less sloppy than FanTaSy.

Now, I admit that wouldn't exactly be enough to consider Mvp to be better than FanTaSy. What really puts him over the edge is FanTaSy's 0-2 loss to First. FanTaSy got outplayed hard in those games. First displayed beautiful PvT and in the process, FanTaSy looked mediocre or even bad - whether that is due to First's skill or FanTaSy's mistakes, I cannot tell. Given the way FanTaSy got outplayed hard by First (who is not even close to Top 10) and his obvious macro flaws, I ask you this: could FanTaSy have gone 2-3 against INnoVation in a close series?

It is harder to argue against JangBi, and I do think JangBi deserves a nice placement. However, I do not believe sOs merits such a high ranking. He got shut out by INnoVation (Mvp's 2-3 trumps sOs's 0-4), and beating his teammate isn't very significant because of how wonky the sOs vs. Soulkey series is - teamkills tend to do that. The Asian Indoors Martial Arts tournament had laughably easy competition (only other contender was the only other Korean, Flash).

Personally, I would rank the players like so:

10. TaeJa
9. Polt
8. FanTaSy
7. sOs
6. Mvp
5. JangBi
4. Flash
3. Rain
2. Soulkey
1. INnoVation

Anyway, both monk's Power Ranking and my own are merely opinions! Please don't be offended.


It's kinda sad that Mvp's fan is trying to use his loss against Innovation to justify his skill (I admit that if a few things went differently that series, Mvp could of won that ), but still , a loss is a loss. Just wait for him to win.
Supernova | TY | Polt | Innovation | forGG | Lucifron | Happy
painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-03 20:34:46
July 03 2013 20:34 GMT
#56
On July 04 2013 05:28 EFermi wrote:
Fantasy was listed by Flash as the second best terran in the world (excluding himself).

I'm a bit surprised to see TaeJa up in the top 10.

Well Flash was wrong.
Supernova | TY | Polt | Innovation | forGG | Lucifron | Happy
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12024 Posts
July 03 2013 20:34 GMT
#57
On July 04 2013 05:05 DifuntO wrote:
I totally agree with the top 5.

Some of the other choices are really weird though. Fantasy #7? Seriously? He shouldn't even be top 20.


You're kidding right? He had one bad performance against First. he's been pretty damn consistant in proleague.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
prabhbhambra13
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom424 Posts
July 03 2013 20:35 GMT
#58
In a few months Bisu will top that list and never leave
SECO SECO SECO
monsta
Profile Joined November 2012
172 Posts
July 03 2013 20:35 GMT
#59
i guess the thing with Life is that he only played bo1 and bo3 and everyone knows that Life is a Best of 5/7 player, but i can kinda understand why he is taken out by the top10
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
July 03 2013 20:35 GMT
#60
On July 04 2013 05:31 Schelim wrote:
so Flash is number 3 for uh... a decent proleague record (5-3) and losses to Taiwanese player Fly and sOs in the "secret" asian indoor martial arts tournament?

or is he number 3 because he is Flash? he's certainly a good player, but top 3 in the world for close to no results seems a 'little' bit off.


I agree, and imo, same thing with Rain: 2 - 5 in PL. Yes he won his OSL group. But so did players like First (who beat RorO, Leenock and Fantasy) and SuperNova( who beat PartinG, YongHwa and KangHo), and these players dont even get a mention. And they were both as solid as Rain in these games
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