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SC2 Power Rank - July 2013 - Page 4

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hillman
Profile Joined February 2012
United States162 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-03 20:42:02
July 03 2013 20:35 GMT
#61
Naniwa hasn't done shit except a really solid finish at MLG - look at all his results before that. No way he is better than 'Phano, I'm sorry but I completely disagree. Jaedong is definitely a top 20 player (if the ranks went that high) - and Dear is great, but it feels like he is getting way too much cred. for a single good run at a tourney.

Edit: he did get second at DH Stockholm - my bad, too many tourneys. I still would have liked to see him place higher in WCS before I mention him at all...but I suppose two top 4 finishes is about equal to a top 2 finish in WCS Europe.

On another note - wouldn't it be fun to see a Teamliquid user tabulated power rank? Everyone lists their top 10 and we see who makes the most votes?
Hellbat
Profile Joined June 2013
223 Posts
July 03 2013 20:37 GMT
#62
On July 04 2013 05:24 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 05:20 digmouse wrote:
To all that thinks Life should be in the Top 10, one reason he is playing so bad atm is he plays a lot of LoL nowadays.
Is this true?

And if it were true - wtf, so you are at the top of the world when new expansion comes, you beat the best players with innovative style and... you just start playing another game? What in the flying fuck. Who does that.


Maybe league is more fun for him? He is his own person and can do what he wants you know.
Scville
Profile Joined May 2013
43 Posts
July 03 2013 20:37 GMT
#63
On July 04 2013 05:33 painkilla wrote:
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On July 04 2013 05:27 Entirety wrote:
My opinions obviously differ from Team Liquid's Power Rank, but I would like to give some clearly stated reasons to avoid turning this into the angry ranting of a fanboy.

Mvp should be ranked higher.

First of all, let's look at number 7, FanTaSy. FanTaSy is a great player, no doubt, and he sported a pretty good record this month. However, there is a glaring problem - his macro. Floating 1,000+ minerals when it's not a super lategame scenario is a pretty poor display of skill and suggests that he might have lost against better opponents (after all, Life is slumping hard). If you look at #10 (TaeJa) and #9 (Polt), the Power Rank clearly states that Polt is ahead of TaeJa due to the quality of play - TaeJa plays sloppily, while Polt demolishes his opponents. Now compare Mvp and FanTaSy and you will see that Mvp has superior macro and his playstyle is much less sloppy than FanTaSy.

Now, I admit that wouldn't exactly be enough to consider Mvp to be better than FanTaSy. What really puts him over the edge is FanTaSy's 0-2 loss to First. FanTaSy got outplayed hard in those games. First displayed beautiful PvT and in the process, FanTaSy looked mediocre or even bad - whether that is due to First's skill or FanTaSy's mistakes, I cannot tell. Given the way FanTaSy got outplayed hard by First (who is not even close to Top 10) and his obvious macro flaws, I ask you this: could FanTaSy have gone 2-3 against INnoVation in a close series?

It is harder to argue against JangBi, and I do think JangBi deserves a nice placement. However, I do not believe sOs merits such a high ranking. He got shut out by INnoVation (Mvp's 2-3 trumps sOs's 0-4), and beating his teammate isn't very significant because of how wonky the sOs vs. Soulkey series is - teamkills tend to do that. The Asian Indoors Martial Arts tournament had laughably easy competition (only other contender was the only other Korean, Flash).

Personally, I would rank the players like so:

10. TaeJa
9. Polt
8. FanTaSy
7. sOs
6. Mvp
5. JangBi
4. Flash
3. Rain
2. Soulkey
1. INnoVation

Anyway, both monk's Power Ranking and my own are merely opinions! Please don't be offended.


It's kinda sad that Mvp's fan is trying to use his loss against Innovation to justify his skill (I admit that if a few things went differently that series, Mvp could of won that ), but still , a loss is a loss. Just wait for him to win.


Man, everyone is saying that MVP should be higher than #8 not that he should be rank #1, and i don't think you need to beat the number 1 to be higher than #8.
prabhbhambra13
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom424 Posts
July 03 2013 20:38 GMT
#64
On July 04 2013 05:35 hillman wrote:
Naniwa hasn't done shit except a really solid finish at MLG - look at all his results before that. No way he is better than 'Phano, I'm sorry but I completely disagree. Jaedong is definitely a top 20 player (if the ranks went that high) - and Dear is great, but it feels like he is getting way too much cred. for a single good run at a tourney.

He got 2nd at DH Stockholm.
SECO SECO SECO
1handsomE
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States199 Posts
July 03 2013 20:41 GMT
#65
I'd put Rain a little lower. He would have 0 business on this list if it wasn't for his recent (bo1!!!) OSL results. Also... JangBi? Am I missing something?
MarineKing / Jaedong / DeMusliM / SeleCT / Maru hwaiting!
NovusRex
Profile Joined June 2013
Germany5 Posts
July 03 2013 20:42 GMT
#66
In Innovation we Terrans believe! In Innovation we Terrans trust! We live with Innovation every day
"Be Water, my Friend!" Bruce Lee
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
July 03 2013 20:42 GMT
#67
On July 04 2013 05:37 Scville wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 05:33 painkilla wrote:
On July 04 2013 05:27 Entirety wrote:
My opinions obviously differ from Team Liquid's Power Rank, but I would like to give some clearly stated reasons to avoid turning this into the angry ranting of a fanboy.

Mvp should be ranked higher.

First of all, let's look at number 7, FanTaSy. FanTaSy is a great player, no doubt, and he sported a pretty good record this month. However, there is a glaring problem - his macro. Floating 1,000+ minerals when it's not a super lategame scenario is a pretty poor display of skill and suggests that he might have lost against better opponents (after all, Life is slumping hard). If you look at #10 (TaeJa) and #9 (Polt), the Power Rank clearly states that Polt is ahead of TaeJa due to the quality of play - TaeJa plays sloppily, while Polt demolishes his opponents. Now compare Mvp and FanTaSy and you will see that Mvp has superior macro and his playstyle is much less sloppy than FanTaSy.

Now, I admit that wouldn't exactly be enough to consider Mvp to be better than FanTaSy. What really puts him over the edge is FanTaSy's 0-2 loss to First. FanTaSy got outplayed hard in those games. First displayed beautiful PvT and in the process, FanTaSy looked mediocre or even bad - whether that is due to First's skill or FanTaSy's mistakes, I cannot tell. Given the way FanTaSy got outplayed hard by First (who is not even close to Top 10) and his obvious macro flaws, I ask you this: could FanTaSy have gone 2-3 against INnoVation in a close series?

It is harder to argue against JangBi, and I do think JangBi deserves a nice placement. However, I do not believe sOs merits such a high ranking. He got shut out by INnoVation (Mvp's 2-3 trumps sOs's 0-4), and beating his teammate isn't very significant because of how wonky the sOs vs. Soulkey series is - teamkills tend to do that. The Asian Indoors Martial Arts tournament had laughably easy competition (only other contender was the only other Korean, Flash).

Personally, I would rank the players like so:

10. TaeJa
9. Polt
8. FanTaSy
7. sOs
6. Mvp
5. JangBi
4. Flash
3. Rain
2. Soulkey
1. INnoVation

Anyway, both monk's Power Ranking and my own are merely opinions! Please don't be offended.


It's kinda sad that Mvp's fan is trying to use his loss against Innovation to justify his skill (I admit that if a few things went differently that series, Mvp could of won that ), but still , a loss is a loss. Just wait for him to win.


Man, everyone is saying that MVP should be higher than #8 not that he should be rank #1, and i don't think you need to beat the number 1 to be higher than #8.


I use his loss to justify higher placement because his loss is the highest display of skill he has shown.

Here's the thing - if Mvp loses 2-3 but looks equally good as the #1 ranked player in the world, isn't that pretty significant by itself even if it's a loss?
IMMvp (정종현) | Fan Club: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211431
PonceDeLEGABE
Profile Joined March 2011
United States117 Posts
July 03 2013 20:43 GMT
#68
Nice write up monk very reasonable ranking.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
July 03 2013 20:44 GMT
#69
Feel that sOs should be 4th ahead of Rain but other than that seems spot on.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
prabhbhambra13
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom424 Posts
July 03 2013 20:46 GMT
#70
I personally think that Parting should have a spot rather than Taeja but i can see why someone would rank Taeja there.
SECO SECO SECO
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
July 03 2013 20:49 GMT
#71
I really don't think Rain should be that high but heh...
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
EFermi
Profile Joined May 2011
United States165 Posts
July 03 2013 20:50 GMT
#72
It's amazing how Life and Mvp fans try to invent all kinds of excuses to put their players higher.

Yeah, beating Tefel and elfi sure is a sign that you're a top 5 player.
GO herO, Bunny, JangBi, Savage, BaBy, Pigbaby, StarDust, RoRo, Flying and Soulkey
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
July 03 2013 20:51 GMT
#73
lol, the majority of Rain's section are excuses as to why his losses aren't THAT bad
hidetoaizen
Profile Joined January 2013
Norway460 Posts
July 03 2013 20:53 GMT
#74
On July 04 2013 04:54 Flossy wrote:
What is going on in that picture at the top?!
Nice write up aswell


it was probably to show that Innovation can show emotions :p
Nal_rA | Stork | MKP | ㅇㅅㅌㅅ | Shine | do your best whatever whenever wherever ! - LiquidHerO | I don't know about any other day, but today I'm the champion of the world - SouL_Dear
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
July 03 2013 20:54 GMT
#75
On July 04 2013 05:31 Scville wrote:
Azubu Symbol ''...In the OSL Ro32, though he eventually made it through, it was the same story as last month, as he only beat mediocre players in ZvZ to do so.''

''In the OSL Ro32, though he eventually made it through, it was the same story as last month, as he only beat mediocre players in ZvZ to do so.''

I'm pretty sure those mediocre code s players are better than TLO and Snute.

And why the fuck MVP is only rank 8? Seriously he almost defeated Innovation in a bo5 and Jangbi is rank6 because he won some bo1? Oh my god

And parting isn't in top 10 anymore because he lost a bo1 against Supernova? Jesus Christ.

And while Parting plays against 100x harder opponents and is still 6-4, Taeja is in top 10 because he barely won against TLO and Snute.

Such a joke.


You're taking this waaaaaaay to seriously lol

This has no effect on anything, it's just for fun. Stop freaking out and learn to accept the opinions of others~
Jo Byung Se #1 fan | CJ_Rush(reborn) fan | Liquid'Jinro(ret) fan | Liquid'Taeja fan | oGsTheSuperNada fan | Iris[gm](ret) fan |
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
July 03 2013 20:54 GMT
#76
Surprised to see Fantasy that high up. His series against First was just depressing, so I assume that wasn't included here.

Still, Flash will inevitably climb higher. Soon...
Flash | Mvp
Rhaegal
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States678 Posts
July 03 2013 20:56 GMT
#77
Glad Life's shield has finally cracked. I've been saying for the past 3 months he's not a top 10 player anymore. I'd also put Rain at #2, just for how amazing he has looked, but this power ranking seems to be soley result based, seeing as Taeja made the top 10 without beating a single KeSPA player. Also Seed needs honorable mention.
http://www.twitch.tv/agonysc
discator
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany639 Posts
July 03 2013 20:58 GMT
#78
gogo innovation!
;;
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-03 20:58:55
July 03 2013 20:58 GMT
#79
I disagree with Polt and Taeja. But you know exactly why. Stop taking my reasons to argue away in advance!
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
July 03 2013 20:58 GMT
#80
On July 04 2013 05:54 GTPGlitch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 05:31 Scville wrote:
Azubu Symbol ''...In the OSL Ro32, though he eventually made it through, it was the same story as last month, as he only beat mediocre players in ZvZ to do so.''

''In the OSL Ro32, though he eventually made it through, it was the same story as last month, as he only beat mediocre players in ZvZ to do so.''

I'm pretty sure those mediocre code s players are better than TLO and Snute.

And why the fuck MVP is only rank 8? Seriously he almost defeated Innovation in a bo5 and Jangbi is rank6 because he won some bo1? Oh my god

And parting isn't in top 10 anymore because he lost a bo1 against Supernova? Jesus Christ.

And while Parting plays against 100x harder opponents and is still 6-4, Taeja is in top 10 because he barely won against TLO and Snute.

Such a joke.


You're taking this waaaaaaay to seriously lol

This has no effect on anything, it's just for fun. Stop freaking out and learn to accept the opinions of others~


It should be obvious now that power rank is Proleague power rank with some consolation places for esf players. Not necessarily bad since PL is the only weekly thing. But the criteria should be clear : We put a lot of weights for matchs in PL in this power rank.
Supernova | TY | Polt | Innovation | forGG | Lucifron | Happy
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