EPTIf I found out that the GSL was rigged, I would stop giving them my money because currently I watch to see the best, highest level of competition. If that is not what we are getting, that is fraud to me.
Should "Deal Making" be illegal? - Page 3
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
If I found out that the GSL was rigged, I would stop giving them my money because currently I watch to see the best, highest level of competition. If that is not what we are getting, that is fraud to me. | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
On September 02 2011 07:40 GettingIt wrote: Either way both players will be trying their hardest to win the Finals for the glory and fame... You should read other threads, and you would know what the OP is talking about. He is talking about an incident that just happend which I won't link. | ||
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piknic
Canada59 Posts
I would go so far as to say this deal making is unfair to the tournaments and fans that are the ONLY reason they get to play starcraft 2 for a living. | ||
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leungwk01
United Kingdom1260 Posts
Same situation with select and MC @NASL. Select wins game 1 (He then advances) but just messes around in the remainder of the games which caused MC to advance. | ||
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ThatGuy89
United Kingdom1968 Posts
On September 02 2011 07:47 babylon wrote: For those not in the know: TT1 and Fenix made a deal that if they got 1st and 2nd at some tournament, they would split the prize winnings. In the finals, TT1 went 1-base carriers and got rolled. Fenix later reneged on the deal and "stole" $2500 from TT1. (Cue some drama about TT1 not wanting to have anything to do with Fenix and Fenix being released from Fnatic because of this entire business.) Another interesting scenario (though not the one that sparked this discussion) involved Sjow and MorroW a while back: if that bit about being able to win more if one of them won, that should be illegal. But 2 players going into a final where winner gets 2k and second place gets 1k if they say they winner will give $500 to the loser whoever wins then thats fine. There is NOTHING the law can do to stop that happening, Its their money they can do what the fuck they want with it | ||
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Looms
United States4624 Posts
On September 02 2011 07:45 ThatGuy89 wrote: how can you base an argument off this? what a player does with his/her winnings is upto them. If 2 players agree that if either of them win they'll half the winnings,then its fine, as long as it doesnt affect the games in anyway (ie match fixing but it shouldnt really,they both gotta fight to be in the finals together anyway) i dont see how on earth they can make this illegal - what law would it break? What if the final four of a tournament agrees to split evenly? Final eight? At what point does it get out of hand? What about giving Player1 $xxxx.xx more than the others during a split because he is the "best" and won't agree to a split otherwise? I don't see how this situation benefits tournament organizers, spectators, etc. | ||
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sh4w
United States713 Posts
Seriously though at first I was like 'not a big deal', but now that I think about it, it's kind of stupid. I would rather see 2 people competing their hardest to win rather than just taking it easy. But how can you stop this? You can''t really, so I fail to see where this discussion will lead. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
it is so standard to do that, grubby did that frequently so did many other pros, it doesn't need to be public knowledge if it's gonna make dumb spectators be mad about it | ||
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scorch-
United States816 Posts
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ThatGuy89
United Kingdom1968 Posts
On September 02 2011 07:51 leungwk01 wrote: Err, this has happened loads of times. Same situation with select and MC @NASL. Select wins game 1 (He then advances) but just messes around in the remainder of the games which caused MC to advance. wow thats nothing at all like this is it? | ||
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darkest44
United States1009 Posts
On September 02 2011 07:49 ReignFayth wrote: you can split any amount of money you like in any fucking thing as long as both agrees to play their best TT1 admitted he didn't play his best, he basically said he just threw it cause it didn't matter by going 1 base carriers. The fans don't watch esports and give the sponsors a reason to fund it to watch two guys just goof off/throw games in a finals and not care because the winnings are shared either way. It just shows a complete lack of respect for the fans and no appreciation that esports isn't just about you as a player getting paid, its about putting up your best effort for the fans so they keep watching. | ||
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laguu
Finland278 Posts
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Herculix
United States946 Posts
edit: that's not to say you can't split money with your teammates. however, it makes the entire competition pointless if at the culmination of the entire thing where the 2 best players are left to see who is truly the best that day, you basically make the finals a facade. and if you can't respect the rest of the competition and the fans that provide you with all of the things that allow you to do what you're doing to give the matches your best shot, then you shouldn't get any respect from anyone else. you definitely don't get it from me, i don't care what you did before and how impressive it was or how much i like you as a person. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that not caring about results is a bad thing, I mean White-Ra doesn't care all that much about winning or losing but to him it's about a good game. When you're doing it purely for the money, it's not wrong IMO but I'd still like to see an effort to win, although getting to the top 2 spots is really solid anyway. | ||
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zerglingsfolife
United States1694 Posts
On September 02 2011 07:54 darkest44 wrote: TT1 admitted he didn't play his best, he basically said he just threw it cause it didn't matter by going 1 base carriers. The fans don't watch esports and give the sponsors a reason to fund it to watch two guys just goof off/throw games in a finals and not care because the winnings are shared either way. It just shows a complete lack of respect for the fans and no appreciation that esports isn't just about you as a player getting paid, its about putting up your best effort for the fans so they keep watching. So did Huk throw his game against Select at MLG by mothership rushing? Because the fans loved that. | ||
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piknic
Canada59 Posts
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ToD
France222 Posts
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ThatGuy89
United Kingdom1968 Posts
On September 02 2011 07:53 Looms wrote: What if the final four of a tournament agrees to split evenly? Final eight? At what point does it get out of hand? What about giving Player1 $xxxx.xx more than the others during a split because he is the "best" and won't agree to a split otherwise? I don't see how this situation benefits tournament organizers, spectators, etc. fuck me. It has to be agreed with theplayers obviously. tournament organisers wont just announce that top 8 have to split.... are you serious or did i just get trolled cos i feel like no one can mean what you just said -_-# the argument ofthem not trying knowing they won win more cash is stupid. Pretty certain that coca woulda happily taken half or even a 3rd of the cash prize to take 1st instead of 2nd at mlg | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On September 02 2011 07:54 darkest44 wrote: TT1 admitted he didn't play his best, he basically said he just threw it cause it didn't matter by going 1 base carriers. The fans don't watch esports and give the sponsors a reason to fund it to watch two guys just goof off/throw games in a finals and not care because the winnings are shared either way. It just shows a complete lack of respect for the fans and no appreciation that esports isn't just about you as a player getting paid, its about putting up your best effort for the fans so they keep watching. yes TT1 throwing the game was definitely wrong but the whole idea of splitting the prize in finals is really standard and should not be viewed as wrong, even less illegal lol wtf | ||
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pksens
United Kingdom156 Posts
On September 02 2011 07:49 ReignFayth wrote: you can split any amount of money you like in any fucking thing as long as both agrees to play their best When the money given to you is directly tied into spectators WANTING to watch your game, I can't understand how selfish you sound right now. In any thing? How about a GSL finals? TSL3 finals? Both go 6pool vs 1base carrier? You shit on the people that tune in, pay money in the instances of Gom/NASL/MLG, just to watch a farce? Give me a break. You are on a pro team, I really hope this isn't something you all agree with over on in Reign. You riled me up, grats. | ||
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