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SkCom
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada229 Posts
June 12 2010 22:43 GMT
#41
they are pretty 1 dimensional, yes, but I still like them and don't find them boring
to each their own taste
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
June 12 2010 22:46 GMT
#42
Protoss aren't boring at all. Warpgate and Force Field alone make them more interesting than "make roaches and attack move" or "make marauders, or any other combination of units, and attack move".
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10011 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-12 22:47:53
June 12 2010 22:47 GMT
#43
waaat p is such a fun race, wat other race can worker rush?

that being said pvp is kinda boring because the mu is so 1 dimentional, blizz needs to think of a way of integrating dts back into pvp without messing up the balance in other mus
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RoboFerret
Profile Joined March 2010
United States70 Posts
June 12 2010 22:47 GMT
#44
You guys are silly, _____ is so boring because you just do _____ strat each time. Gawd it's awful. And then you have ____ race, which just sits there doing ______ while the _____ race has to do all this work. ______ races are just terrible. D:
shimpoe
Profile Joined May 2010
88 Posts
June 12 2010 22:51 GMT
#45
I don't understand what is so 1 dimensional about: immortal, colossus, HT, blink stalker, heavy gateway builds, having proxy pylons/warp prisms to do proxy warp-ins, DT, void ray, phoenix, the hilariousness of sentries. There's just a huge number of paths you can choose to go as Protoss. A lot of maps even allow fast expands to be reasonably safe.

iEchoic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1776 Posts
June 12 2010 22:52 GMT
#46
On June 13 2010 07:15 clickrush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2010 07:10 iEchoic wrote:
I think Protoss is the most fun, there's a lot of really fun abilities like Forcefield, Blink, and Pheonix's pickup (forgot name).

As a Terran player I find myself wishing I got to use small, skill-based things like Forcefield and Blink all the time.


youve got tons:
snipe, siege, concussive shells, viking transformation, emp, nukes, yamato, jetpacks etc.


Snipe: rarely used, ghosts are only really good in tvp and using energy on anything except EMP is usually stupid

Siege: not fun

Concussive shells: passive

Viking transformation: not fun

Emp: not fun

Nukes: not often used

Yamato: rarely used

Jetpacks: passive
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gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
June 12 2010 22:55 GMT
#47
On June 13 2010 07:08 zhul4nder wrote:
IMO, protoss are the hardest of the races microwise. macro it's pretty damn straight forward, waprgates...spam em. so, it's boring in the macro, but the micro involved balances it out alright.


I wouldn't say P micro is anymore difficult than T micro. I'd even argue the opposite.

Infact, P micro is mostly 1a ffffffffff except for like.. making sure your immos target armored units. With T you carefully have to position each unit group to be effective.
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Alou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States3748 Posts
June 12 2010 22:57 GMT
#48
I find Protoss fun. Plenty of options and plenty of units to mess around with. You just need to get creative.
Life is Good.
potatomash3r
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia417 Posts
June 12 2010 22:58 GMT
#49
Far from it, I think Protoss is drop-tastic.
Part of being mature is to accept your loss.
VelRa_G
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada304 Posts
June 12 2010 23:00 GMT
#50
If you're bored don't play. I don't know why you're playing if you're not having fun. No race is one-dimensional, and you never have to pigeon-hold to a single strategy and composition. Waste of time discussing it.
Nuda Veritas
nitdkim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1264 Posts
June 12 2010 23:08 GMT
#51
Lol, don't stay in your base for 10 minutes massing up an army then. Any race can be fun if you never stop doing something...

If you start winning with terran and zerg even though you've been playing toss all the time, I think you're style of play is more suited to other races than protoss.
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eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
June 12 2010 23:15 GMT
#52
Well, no race has gotten more exciting with SC2 -- that much is for certain.
Ahzz
Profile Joined May 2007
Finland780 Posts
June 12 2010 23:15 GMT
#53
even before opening this thread I could guess that op would have less than 100 posts
eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
June 12 2010 23:18 GMT
#54
On June 13 2010 08:15 Ahzz wrote:
even before opening this thread I could guess that op would have less than 100 posts


and this means anything?
NeonGenesis
Profile Joined September 2005
Norway260 Posts
June 12 2010 23:20 GMT
#55
Non-robo techs needs a lot of work to be viable paths.
Still the most awesome race though
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10011 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-12 23:41:00
June 12 2010 23:29 GMT
#56
On June 13 2010 07:51 shimpoe wrote:
I don't understand what is so 1 dimensional about: immortal, colossus, HT, blink stalker, heavy gateway builds, having proxy pylons/warp prisms to do proxy warp-ins, DT, void ray, phoenix, the hilariousness of sentries. There's just a huge number of paths you can choose to go as Protoss. A lot of maps even allow fast expands to be reasonably safe.



most pvp's only revolve around robo play or 4g/3g b.os, its impossible to dt because if u do and if it gets blocked(which it does 99% of the time, the only way dt rushs work is if u get lucky and ur oppo doesnt robo or if he robos late, this statement alone shows theres a flaw with the unit because in a game ur never supposed to rely on what your opponent does) your automaticly fucked because theres nothing to transition into, in sc1 pvp there were alot of follow ups u could do, players wouldnt necessarily dt to kill their opponents, if u did it was a plus but even if ur build was perfectly countered by your opponent it still wouldnt put you in such a huge disadvantage

in sc2 its impossible to follow up a dt rush without dying, if u go for a macro build ud end up getting overrun because u wouldnt have enought time to temp tech and the other alternative would be to allin(3g stalker blink/4g mass zeal + charge etc.)

its impossible to have an advantage after dt rushing.. p already has an ob out so he can see w/e transition u decide to do, ur basically dead because EVERY follow up to a dt rush is so easy to counter, i challenge anyone to come up with a perfect macro build that u can transition into after dt rushing (assuming your dt rush was blocked) that is safe vs every b.o
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perfectflaw72
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada94 Posts
June 12 2010 23:36 GMT
#57
well like you said you played 100s maybe you just got bored of the same shit just go random or try something else doesnt have to be league matches and i find zerg boring just because i find their missing a unit ( btw the ultra doesnt exist for me it sucks to much and i have never used it in a league match) but i feel like zerg is missing something maybe something tier 2.5 idk sc1 felt right even though it was just ling muta hydra and lurker but i feel like their something missing ( lurkers sucked.. they were chessy) but maybe it will come in one of the expansions and i will be fufilled.... or maybe its just because hydras were so easy to get before now you have to wait for pool gas lair hydra which takes a while before it was pool 25 gas hydra plus they were 1 supply so easy to mass
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Voodo0
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany25 Posts
June 12 2010 23:37 GMT
#58
I dont think that protoss is boring...

ive done my first steps in sc2 with protoss and ended up pretty much 4 gate or robo all inning. I switched to zerg, because i really thaught for a while that this were the actual style of playing protoss and it seemed boring to me.

But after i gained a certain amount of skill and was matched against better protoss oponents with my zerg, i got used to many variable protoss strategys...
Also, the pro scene arround the sc2 protoss evolved and showed many fancy ways to play with protoss...

So i decided to go back to them to test out some more stuff and there is plenty of variations to play with protoss...
just get some inspiration out there and try something new ... and dont throw ideas away only because it doesnt work on the first time.
Cheezy
Profile Joined May 2009
Sweden112 Posts
June 12 2010 23:38 GMT
#59
I haven't tested this much, but I always win with dts, even vs robo builds. Their damage is so incredibly high, they're worth having in your army no matter at what point in the game it is.
The only problem is forcefields. Good usage of that will hurt dts a lot.

DT rush quite nicely counters 4gate.

If your dt rush fails, you can still use the dts for harassing here and there for the rest of the game.
perfectflaw72
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada94 Posts
June 12 2010 23:38 GMT
#60
On June 13 2010 07:52 iEchoic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2010 07:15 clickrush wrote:
On June 13 2010 07:10 iEchoic wrote:
I think Protoss is the most fun, there's a lot of really fun abilities like Forcefield, Blink, and Pheonix's pickup (forgot name).

As a Terran player I find myself wishing I got to use small, skill-based things like Forcefield and Blink all the time.


youve got tons:
snipe, siege, concussive shells, viking transformation, emp, nukes, yamato, jetpacks etc.


Snipe: rarely used, ghosts are only really good in tvp and using energy on anything except EMP is usually stupid

Siege: not fun

Concussive shells: passive

Viking transformation: not fun

Emp: not fun

Nukes: not often used

Yamato: rarely used

Jetpacks: passive
Snipe would be fun because its so low energy but does no damage it has good uses but you requir 2-3 shots to kill something usefull and that equals 75 energy/ cloak which could have been used on emp 45 damage sucks maybe something like 90-120?

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