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On November 17 2010 09:03 LSB wrote:
Either that or 13 is an elite soilder
???
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On November 17 2010 10:33 annul wrote:
8===D
is my country. get it? ;D
Haha, Yeah I laughed pretty hard once I read that.
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On November 17 2010 10:36 Hesmyrr wrote:???
I was wondering who attacked 14.
I thought (Wrongly) that 17 and 11 attacked 14.
However, 11 couldn't have attacked 14, so I thought 13 must have done it
Please explain how do you know that 13 was attacked. This is incredibly suspicious.
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On November 17 2010 10:35 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 10:32 Hesmyrr wrote:
Country claims
Pandain 10 ... New Aiur
annul 20 ... eight equals equals equals capital D
Hesmyrr 27 ... Sakura Gaibun
starting the list before more claims make things confusing. Also who attacked 13? WTF how do you know this? That someone attacked 13
Hesmyrr, was it ever said that someone attacked 13? I think it was assumed that no one had until that SIFZ intl report, so why did you think someone did BEFORE the intel came out?
Also, I posted this a page back:
On November 17 2010 03:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 03:33 Veldril wrote:On November 17 2010 03:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 17 2010 03:01 Veldril wrote:
OK, let's look at the Caller's day post.
19 attacked and conquered 17. What is interesting is what did 17 do. 17 could attack 4 provinces: 13, 14, 16 and 19. However, because 17 was end up being taken by 19 so he could not attack 19 and because 13 was not taken, therefore he could not attack 13. 14 remains free so 17 did not attack it either. That means the most likely action of 17 is defend, but he still ends up being conquered. This means that 19 and 16 is very very likely are in the same faction and attacked 17 together. Also note that 18 is still free so that should support my theory, or else it should be taken by one of them.
Well, this isn't necessarily true. 17 could have attacked any of the 5 provinces around it, except for 19 (unless 19 has some sort of special class that would override it). If 17 and someone else attacked 13, then 13 would not be taken over (assuming no team affiliation). 17 and 20 could have both attacked 14, and no one would have gotten it, which 19 just waltzed right in. Don't forget, if two factions that are not on the same team attack a province, their attacks will cancel out. This could not be true because if that is the case, 13 would be turn to neutral like 27. However, 13 remains intact so that means 17 could not attack 13. Ah, right. So, unless 13 was sent aid or has a double role (i.e. Elite Soldier), 17 couldn't have attacked 13. If 13 was sent aid, then 13 is on a team with someone.
So, either 13 is an Elite Soldier and used his double action on Night 1 (which I would find to be a waste of a potentially very useful role) or he received aid from someone. This leads me to believe that 13 is on a team with either 15 or 16, and one of the latter sent 13 aid.
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On November 17 2010 03:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 03:33 Veldril wrote:On November 17 2010 03:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 17 2010 03:01 Veldril wrote:
OK, let's look at the Caller's day post.
19 attacked and conquered 17. What is interesting is what did 17 do. 17 could attack 4 provinces: 13, 14, 16 and 19. However, because 17 was end up being taken by 19 so he could not attack 19 and because 13 was not taken, therefore he could not attack 13. 14 remains free so 17 did not attack it either. That means the most likely action of 17 is defend, but he still ends up being conquered. This means that 19 and 16 is very very likely are in the same faction and attacked 17 together. Also note that 18 is still free so that should support my theory, or else it should be taken by one of them.
Well, this isn't necessarily true. 17 could have attacked any of the 5 provinces around it, except for 19 (unless 19 has some sort of special class that would override it). If 17 and someone else attacked 13, then 13 would not be taken over (assuming no team affiliation). 17 and 20 could have both attacked 14, and no one would have gotten it, which 19 just waltzed right in. Don't forget, if two factions that are not on the same team attack a province, their attacks will cancel out. This could not be true because if that is the case, 13 would be turn to neutral like 27. However, 13 remains intact so that means 17 could not attack 13. Ah, right. So, unless 13 was sent aid or has a double role (i.e. Elite Soldier), 17 couldn't have attacked 13. If 13 was sent aid, then 13 is on a team with someone.
On November 17 2010 09:03 LSB wrote:
Either that or 13 is an elite soilder
Unless I am reading something wrong these two posts are saying that 13 was attacked, otherwise these people wouldn't be saying what they are saying?
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On November 17 2010 10:42 Hesmyrr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 03:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 17 2010 03:33 Veldril wrote:On November 17 2010 03:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 17 2010 03:01 Veldril wrote:
OK, let's look at the Caller's day post.
19 attacked and conquered 17. What is interesting is what did 17 do. 17 could attack 4 provinces: 13, 14, 16 and 19. However, because 17 was end up being taken by 19 so he could not attack 19 and because 13 was not taken, therefore he could not attack 13. 14 remains free so 17 did not attack it either. That means the most likely action of 17 is defend, but he still ends up being conquered. This means that 19 and 16 is very very likely are in the same faction and attacked 17 together. Also note that 18 is still free so that should support my theory, or else it should be taken by one of them.
Well, this isn't necessarily true. 17 could have attacked any of the 5 provinces around it, except for 19 (unless 19 has some sort of special class that would override it). If 17 and someone else attacked 13, then 13 would not be taken over (assuming no team affiliation). 17 and 20 could have both attacked 14, and no one would have gotten it, which 19 just waltzed right in. Don't forget, if two factions that are not on the same team attack a province, their attacks will cancel out. This could not be true because if that is the case, 13 would be turn to neutral like 27. However, 13 remains intact so that means 17 could not attack 13. Ah, right. So, unless 13 was sent aid or has a double role (i.e. Elite Soldier), 17 couldn't have attacked 13. If 13 was sent aid, then 13 is on a team with someone. Unless I am reading something wrong these two posts are saying that 13 was attacked, otherwise these people wouldn't be saying what they are saying?
They are clearly saying that 17 were attacking 14.
Don't try to say "I didn't understand the posts"
As they say.
Once is an accident (Contacting me about being attacked)
Twice is an accident (making up an 'excuse')
Three times is enemy action (Knowing that 13 was attacked)
I've voted you
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On November 17 2010 10:42 Hesmyrr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 03:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 17 2010 03:33 Veldril wrote:On November 17 2010 03:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 17 2010 03:01 Veldril wrote:
OK, let's look at the Caller's day post.
19 attacked and conquered 17. What is interesting is what did 17 do. 17 could attack 4 provinces: 13, 14, 16 and 19. However, because 17 was end up being taken by 19 so he could not attack 19 and because 13 was not taken, therefore he could not attack 13. 14 remains free so 17 did not attack it either. That means the most likely action of 17 is defend, but he still ends up being conquered. This means that 19 and 16 is very very likely are in the same faction and attacked 17 together. Also note that 18 is still free so that should support my theory, or else it should be taken by one of them.
Well, this isn't necessarily true. 17 could have attacked any of the 5 provinces around it, except for 19 (unless 19 has some sort of special class that would override it). If 17 and someone else attacked 13, then 13 would not be taken over (assuming no team affiliation). 17 and 20 could have both attacked 14, and no one would have gotten it, which 19 just waltzed right in. Don't forget, if two factions that are not on the same team attack a province, their attacks will cancel out. This could not be true because if that is the case, 13 would be turn to neutral like 27. However, 13 remains intact so that means 17 could not attack 13. Ah, right. So, unless 13 was sent aid or has a double role (i.e. Elite Soldier), 17 couldn't have attacked 13. If 13 was sent aid, then 13 is on a team with someone. Unless I am reading something wrong these two posts are saying that 13 was attacked, otherwise these people wouldn't be saying what they are saying?
My post was clarifying Veldril's post, and putting my thoughts on paper. I was saying that 13 was fine, assuming 17 did not attack him. However, there is this new information that 17 DID in fact attack 13 on Night 1, so I am concluding that 13 is an Elite Soldier (or, at least, was), or he was sent aid from an ally.
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On November 17 2010 10:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 10:42 Hesmyrr wrote:On November 17 2010 03:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 17 2010 03:33 Veldril wrote:On November 17 2010 03:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 17 2010 03:01 Veldril wrote:
OK, let's look at the Caller's day post.
19 attacked and conquered 17. What is interesting is what did 17 do. 17 could attack 4 provinces: 13, 14, 16 and 19. However, because 17 was end up being taken by 19 so he could not attack 19 and because 13 was not taken, therefore he could not attack 13. 14 remains free so 17 did not attack it either. That means the most likely action of 17 is defend, but he still ends up being conquered. This means that 19 and 16 is very very likely are in the same faction and attacked 17 together. Also note that 18 is still free so that should support my theory, or else it should be taken by one of them.
Well, this isn't necessarily true. 17 could have attacked any of the 5 provinces around it, except for 19 (unless 19 has some sort of special class that would override it). If 17 and someone else attacked 13, then 13 would not be taken over (assuming no team affiliation). 17 and 20 could have both attacked 14, and no one would have gotten it, which 19 just waltzed right in. Don't forget, if two factions that are not on the same team attack a province, their attacks will cancel out. This could not be true because if that is the case, 13 would be turn to neutral like 27. However, 13 remains intact so that means 17 could not attack 13. Ah, right. So, unless 13 was sent aid or has a double role (i.e. Elite Soldier), 17 couldn't have attacked 13. If 13 was sent aid, then 13 is on a team with someone. On November 17 2010 09:03 LSB wrote:
Either that or 13 is an elite soilder Unless I am reading something wrong these two posts are saying that 13 was attacked, otherwise these people wouldn't be saying what they are saying? My post was clarifying Veldril's post, and putting my thoughts on paper. I was saying that 13 was fine, assuming 17 did not attack him. However, there is this new information that 17 DID in fact attack 13 on Night 1, so I am concluding that 13 is an Elite Soldier (or, at least, was), or he was sent aid from an ally.
But then how would Hesmyrr know that 13 was attacked?
I'm pretty sure that Hesmyrr and 13 are mafia, and 13 was sent aid by a scumbuddy.
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On November 17 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 10:42 Hesmyrr wrote:On November 17 2010 03:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 17 2010 03:33 Veldril wrote:On November 17 2010 03:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 17 2010 03:01 Veldril wrote:
OK, let's look at the Caller's day post.
19 attacked and conquered 17. What is interesting is what did 17 do. 17 could attack 4 provinces: 13, 14, 16 and 19. However, because 17 was end up being taken by 19 so he could not attack 19 and because 13 was not taken, therefore he could not attack 13. 14 remains free so 17 did not attack it either. That means the most likely action of 17 is defend, but he still ends up being conquered. This means that 19 and 16 is very very likely are in the same faction and attacked 17 together. Also note that 18 is still free so that should support my theory, or else it should be taken by one of them.
Well, this isn't necessarily true. 17 could have attacked any of the 5 provinces around it, except for 19 (unless 19 has some sort of special class that would override it). If 17 and someone else attacked 13, then 13 would not be taken over (assuming no team affiliation). 17 and 20 could have both attacked 14, and no one would have gotten it, which 19 just waltzed right in. Don't forget, if two factions that are not on the same team attack a province, their attacks will cancel out. This could not be true because if that is the case, 13 would be turn to neutral like 27. However, 13 remains intact so that means 17 could not attack 13. Ah, right. So, unless 13 was sent aid or has a double role (i.e. Elite Soldier), 17 couldn't have attacked 13. If 13 was sent aid, then 13 is on a team with someone. On November 17 2010 09:03 LSB wrote:
Either that or 13 is an elite soilder Unless I am reading something wrong these two posts are saying that 13 was attacked, otherwise these people wouldn't be saying what they are saying? They are clearly saying that 17 were attacking 14. Don't try to say "I didn't understand the posts" As they say. Once is an accident (Contacting me about being attacked) Twice is an accident (making up an 'excuse') Three times is enemy action (Knowing that 13 was attacked) I've voted you
Read your post again. Your post about saying 13 is an elite soldier doesn't make sense at all unless 13 has been attacked, and there was prior talk about 13 possibly being Elite Soldier, which is why I asked who attacked 13. Also what excuse? (the second accident you mentioned)
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On November 17 2010 10:49 Hesmyrr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 10:42 Hesmyrr wrote:On November 17 2010 03:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 17 2010 03:33 Veldril wrote:On November 17 2010 03:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 17 2010 03:01 Veldril wrote:
OK, let's look at the Caller's day post.
19 attacked and conquered 17. What is interesting is what did 17 do. 17 could attack 4 provinces: 13, 14, 16 and 19. However, because 17 was end up being taken by 19 so he could not attack 19 and because 13 was not taken, therefore he could not attack 13. 14 remains free so 17 did not attack it either. That means the most likely action of 17 is defend, but he still ends up being conquered. This means that 19 and 16 is very very likely are in the same faction and attacked 17 together. Also note that 18 is still free so that should support my theory, or else it should be taken by one of them.
Well, this isn't necessarily true. 17 could have attacked any of the 5 provinces around it, except for 19 (unless 19 has some sort of special class that would override it). If 17 and someone else attacked 13, then 13 would not be taken over (assuming no team affiliation). 17 and 20 could have both attacked 14, and no one would have gotten it, which 19 just waltzed right in. Don't forget, if two factions that are not on the same team attack a province, their attacks will cancel out. This could not be true because if that is the case, 13 would be turn to neutral like 27. However, 13 remains intact so that means 17 could not attack 13. Ah, right. So, unless 13 was sent aid or has a double role (i.e. Elite Soldier), 17 couldn't have attacked 13. If 13 was sent aid, then 13 is on a team with someone. On November 17 2010 09:03 LSB wrote:
Either that or 13 is an elite soilder Unless I am reading something wrong these two posts are saying that 13 was attacked, otherwise these people wouldn't be saying what they are saying? They are clearly saying that 17 were attacking 14. Don't try to say "I didn't understand the posts" As they say. Once is an accident (Contacting me about being attacked) Twice is an accident (making up an 'excuse') Three times is enemy action (Knowing that 13 was attacked) I've voted you Read your post again. Your post about saying 13 is an elite soldier doesn't make sense at all unless 13 has been attacked, and there was prior talk about 13 possibly being Elite Soldier, which is why I asked who attacked 13. Also what excuse? (the second accident you mentioned)
No, I said that 13 probably attacked 14. I know what I said. I have no idea what your talking about.
Anyways, explain this PM from country 17
I have no idea where Hesmyrr has gotten his information from. I have not told anyone but you that I attacked 13 on Night 1. Why would he assume that 13 was attacked? This leads me to believe that he has a scum buddy (13) that told him he was attacked.
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Can you specifically address which part, because I do not understand "Either that or 13 is an elite soilder" could mean anything but that 13 was attacked and I will abide by that position unless you tell me what I am getting wrong. Also how am I supposed to explain a PM from someone I never had contact with?
Also lol at fishing attempt.
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I find it funny that LSB is once again, trying to push for a lynch on Hessmyr through selective reasoning and "a tip from territory 17".
So somehow you believe 17's tip is true?
Second of all if 17 fails an attack, and 13 succeeds + defends why is 17 complaining if this is all true? How does that make 17 innocent?
Secondly not every role is listed. Also Pandain what's up with the very fast vote?
I don't like SIFZ and I don't like the fact that a random tip from 17 if true and was dumb enough to reveal himself, ends up being taking as truthful so early in the game.
Remember people, there is a damn good possibility that there is more than one FACTION in the game. 17 could be part of another faction and is trying to get others to do the dirty work for him/her. Then again LSB, Pandain and kingjames fast prosecution style is pretty weird in itself.
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From me to Hesmyyr:
meesa Hopeful Traitor
if meesa guess correctly mafia, meesa get to become mafia!!!
if no, then me stay town
I hope me right.
me right?
Hesmyyr no responde. Yet he respond in thread twice after? And probably 5 minutes after or somethign? Meesa think he delaying, talking to mafia, pming host to find out.
MEESA SUSCIPCIOUS
Also Pandain what's up with the very fast vote?
meesa have ADHD.
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On November 17 2010 10:55 Hesmyrr wrote:
Can you specifically address which part, because I do not understand "Either that or 13 is an elite soilder" could mean anything but that 13 was attacked and I will abide by that position unless you tell me what I am getting wrong. Also how am I supposed to explain a PM from someone I never had contact with?
Also lol at fishing attempt.
We were clearly talking about who attacked 14.
Two people must have attacked 14 (We now know that this is not the case), so from process of elimination we narrowed it down to 17 and 13.
How in the world did you get 13 was attacked from that? I don't know what you are trying to explain away, but your just a thrashing scum.
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Also lol at fishing attempt.
One would have mafia will have replied to find out more -_-
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On November 17 2010 10:59 Hesmyrr wrote:One would have mafia will have replied to find out more -_-
...what?
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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On November 17 2010 10:56 Ace wrote:
I find it funny that LSB is once again, trying to push for a lynch on Hessmyr through selective reasoning and "a tip from territory 17".
So somehow you believe 17's tip is true?
Second of all if 17 fails an attack, and 13 succeeds + defends why is 17 complaining if this is all true? How does that make 17 innocent?
Secondly not every role is listed. Also Pandain what's up with the very fast vote?
I don't like SIFZ and I don't like the fact that a random tip from 17 if true and was dumb enough to reveal himself, ends up being taking as truthful so early in the game.
Remember people, there is a damn good possibility that there is more than one FACTION in the game. 17 could be part of another faction and is trying to get others to do the dirty work for him/her. Then again LSB, Pandain and kingjames fast prosecution style is pretty weird in itself.
I will put full faith into tip 17. If country 17 is here and did not give me the tip. Please Roleclaim
I will not say much about 17, but we will guarantee him anonymity. Sure, you could listen to the scummy Ace/Hesmyrr alliance. But anything with Hesmyrr in it's name is full of scum.
The SIFZ is a regional alliance. Not an alliance made because the role PM mentioned that Ace and Hesmyrr were scum buddies.
I like how you come to Hesmyrr's defense really fast too.
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On November 17 2010 10:58 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 10:55 Hesmyrr wrote:
Can you specifically address which part, because I do not understand "Either that or 13 is an elite soilder" could mean anything but that 13 was attacked and I will abide by that position unless you tell me what I am getting wrong. Also how am I supposed to explain a PM from someone I never had contact with?
Also lol at fishing attempt. We were clearly talking about who attacked 14. Two people must have attacked 14 (We now know that this is not the case), so from process of elimination we narrowed it down to 17 and 13. How in the world did you get 13 was attacked from that? I don't know what you are trying to explain away, but your just a thrashing scum.
So then why aren't you concerned about who attacked 18?
15 and 16 are both ya know, sitting right there.
I'm not buying this. You don't know 17's affiliation but yet trust his PM and somehow that leads to THIS GUY MUST BE SCUM!
Or is it that Hessmyrr figures that 13 must have been attacked and that means Hessmyrr is scum?
So let's say 13 and Hessmyrr are allied but are both town so Hessmyrr knows 13's role. Hessmyrr slips up and gives away information that he should not have known.
Considering almost everyone in here is talking through PMs (the thread is dead because of it) and I myself have had about 6 people try to rolefish me (lol) then how does this prove Hessmyrr is Scum?
Explain.
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On November 17 2010 11:03 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 10:56 Ace wrote:
I find it funny that LSB is once again, trying to push for a lynch on Hessmyr through selective reasoning and "a tip from territory 17".
So somehow you believe 17's tip is true?
Second of all if 17 fails an attack, and 13 succeeds + defends why is 17 complaining if this is all true? How does that make 17 innocent?
Secondly not every role is listed. Also Pandain what's up with the very fast vote?
I don't like SIFZ and I don't like the fact that a random tip from 17 if true and was dumb enough to reveal himself, ends up being taking as truthful so early in the game.
Remember people, there is a damn good possibility that there is more than one FACTION in the game. 17 could be part of another faction and is trying to get others to do the dirty work for him/her. Then again LSB, Pandain and kingjames fast prosecution style is pretty weird in itself.
I will put full faith into tip 17. If country 17 is here and did not give me the tip. Please RoleclaimI will not say much about 17, but we will guarantee him anonymity. Sure, you could listen to the scummy Ace/Hesmyrr alliance. But anything with Hesmyrr in it's name is full of scum. The SIFZ is a regional alliance. Not an alliance made because the role PM mentioned that Ace and Hesmyrr were scum buddies. I like how you come to Hesmyrr's defense really fast too.
I like the idea too. After the Day 1 "didn't understand the rules fiasco" with you and kingjames I think you're both Scum. You are smart enough to understand some simple rules so I don't believe you could have messed up that easily.
You still can't explain why 17 has to be telling the truth either. Also can't explain how Hessmyrr is linked to anyone that is surely scum.
Seems to me that SIFZ is trying to push an agenda of getting rid of Hessmyrr.
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Say what you will, but I think I have given sufficient ground for my misinterpretation. Besides the fact that even if I am mafia I have absolutely nothing to gain by publicly asking who attacked 13. Can't really see any reason why I should not be assuming that 13 had been attacked.
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