EPTTL Mafia XXXI - Page 28
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infinitestory
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~OpZ~
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BloodyC0bbler
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On October 07 2010 12:54 infinitestory wrote: Here's hoping blues (DT(s) especially) sent in their night actions, so we can get something more concrete to work with soon. all i have to say is ...... | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On October 06 2010 06:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This is a strong point. I don't really understand why you're being so aggressive kingjames especially this early in the game when we don't really have anything solid pointing to anyone being red or not. Our big goal with this day 1 lynch is to gain information on player connections while avoiding lynching a blue. It's easy to overanalyze and assure yourself someone is mafia based on their posting this early but 99 times out of 100 it ends up NOT being the case. This is a strong point that Drag_ Is most likely town too....I fear you DrH. Drag_ going at him hard, maybe he's new and mafia, but still...too much attention? | ||
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BrownBear
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Night 1: ![[image loading]](http://www.momguesthouse.com/photos/angkor-wat/angkor-temple-sunrise.jpg) And so the cock crowed, signaling the start of the second day of the rest of their lives. The Liquidian and refugee survivors all shuffled out of their half-ruined houses and shelters, shivering in the early morning cold. A quick headcount revealed that they were two short. It didn't take long to find Infundibulum, swinging limply in the very noose that had taken Protactinium's life just hours before. The second victim was harder to find, but the screams from the first Liquidian trying to draw water from the well alerted the town to bumatlarge's final resting place. Everything the survivors had feared had just been proven true. Reds were still operating within Liquidia, and they were indifferent as to who they killed, so long as the remaining Blues were dead. It just remained to be seen who could get who first. Infundibulum the Townie has been killed. bumatlarge the Townie has been killed. It is now Day 2. You have 48 hours to decide on a lynch target. The option to vote Double Lynch is also now open to you. Also, this time please remember to both post in the thread AND vote. If you think you aren't going to be back before the deadline, do both of these before you leave. Even if it's a junk vote that you plan to change later, it's still better than a modkill. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On October 07 2010 12:58 ~OpZ~ wrote: This is a strong point that Drag_ Is most likely town too....I fear you DrH. Drag_ going at him hard, maybe he's new and mafia, but still...too much attention? I'm agreeing with Drag_ here and I'd say he's most likely town aligned as well. I just was trying to diffuse a situation that could have been really distracting for the town | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
I looked at the day one votes and there were no votes for Infund. cSc voted for bumatlarge. Bumatlarge voted for protactinum. Infundibulum voted for Gruhr. I don't think there is much we can learn from the day 1 votes but it's best to keep it in mind, it's something. I'll go back over pages 15 onward. There was a lot of argumentation surrounding infundibulum so that needs to be looked at again. | ||
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~OpZ~
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On October 06 2010 11:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: infinitestory, you're throwing out some really dumb arguments here. you've posted nothing until people started throwing you under suspicion, it seems a bit like you may be cracking under pressure. on top of that you edited your post. i would vote for you but something gives me a hunch that you're the village idiot. Maybe I agree here. Seems like an okay lynch candidate. I would be willing to get behind this for his sudden appearance. But BB may have pm'd him, so I'll have to check the timings. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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Early on Pandain was bandwagoning infund for a lynch starting on page 15 with this post: On October 06 2010 05:50 Pandain wrote: Mmmm tough situation right now. While in this situation I would love to just RNG between the inactives, if everyone does that it gives too much room for mafia to manipulate that and get an inactive townie lynched instead. So one of my goals of pushing this "inactives to be lynched" concept is that we can also start to see whos posts because they realize they need to post more, and who posts just to get enough without really contributing anything. That leaves Dr. H and Infun, and unfortunately I can't really access H's posts from previous games to decide upon him. But Infun has only made this post, and it really adds no content of his own, while he "seems" to be contributing with roughly 2 decent paragraphs. Here's the post: His argument was that infund fit the profile of posting a lot of words with little content, a benchmark of mafia players attempting to appear as active townies. I argued that there were much better candidates for this position and I propositioned crisis as the best choice based on pandains logic. Our argument continued for a few pages and it should be read by everyone. On page 16 misder also called for a lynch of infundibulum. His argument was that infund had changed his playstyle. He then quickly changed his vote to OpZ on a "tiny suspicion". He never explained his reasoning. pandain later votes for SINiquity bumatlarge came into the thread saying his job as a townie would be to look out for the village idiot. ironically he himself voted for the village idiot, protactinum. on this same page I quoted cSc's vote for bumatlarge which he never once explained in the thread LSB softly accused bumatlarge of being mafia in this post: On October 07 2010 09:18 LSB wrote: Divinek is being pretty active Pandian is writing weird stories again. That probably means he's Red or Blue Bum says he's going on VI watch, that would be something Mafia would like to get recognized as Could someone tell me a bit more? Then again, DoctorH hasn't played for a while, so maybe his reentry means that he's willing to put in more effort As for the Newcomers, I haven't read much, but it should be pretty easy to tell if one of them is Green. Are any of them superactive? Lastly, Someone go Protect/Investigate Xelin. Brownbear just told us straight out that he's Red or Blue he also alluded to the fact that pandain might be red while pandain was the one who bandwagoned the now dead infund. on page 27 pandain lists bumatlarge as his second biggest suspect | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
For now my top suspects: 1. infinitestory - erratic arguments, edited posts, shows up once pressure is placed on him and suddenly becomes very active while it seems he was trying to stay quiet before. 2. misder- makes accusations but never backs them up. claims to have information that he never provides and has since been mostly MIA 3. SINiquity- only bothered to contribute by pointing out infinitestory's ridiculous VI argument and then spammed for a good 4-5 pages or so I don't feel extremely strong about any of these right now but on a quick reread these 3 stand out to me as the most suspicious. Hopefully this can spark our discussion on who to lynch day 2 the second thing we need to discuss is who should be rolechecked and who should be protected. pandain is a big rolecheck candidate along with Xelin. | ||
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bumatlarge
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Bill Murray
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Let me decide who is high tier enough to call the shots yet not hit a blue. 1. LSB 3. Bill Murray 4. Pandain 5. SouthRawrea 6. Amber[LighT] 7. Infundibulum 8. Divinek 9. Misder 10.SINiquity 11.XeliN 12.RebirthOfLegend 13.~OpZ~ 14.DoctorHelvetica 15.infinitestory 16.cSc ->17. 18.NukeTheBunnys 19.Crisis_ 20.drag_ 21.CynanMachae 22.meeple 23.kingjames01 24.ghrur Doing an iso on slot 17 On October 06 2010 14:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ok Medics, here is how the game should be played tonight. Make a list of people you think are innocent. Now, it has to be a list of a few people. ANALYZE them every day to make sure they don't change from town to scummy in your eyes, and prot them, non stop or until we have a better idea. If anyone who pushed for flamewheels lynch is on your list, slap yourself really hard and remake your list. As for the rest of the town. Take the time now to either look at the name above or below you in the list, and look over their posts and analyze them. Post that analysis in thread for debate. Lets get us some targets. Hell after this day there is a ton of crap to look through. I have viewed this post as gloating, and rolefishing. Why would BloodyC0bbler have reason to be fishing for a medic? Consider the fact that Happy.Fairytale was spouting babble about the DT, and I am very happy voting to lynch slot 17 which was Happy.Fairytale and is now BloodyC0bbler. Posts 234/235 by Happy.Fairytale were posts to fake being useful to the town Post 255 is him fishing for Detectives through number "analysis" Post 257 by Happy.Fairytale: Please read this+ Show Spoiler + On October 05 2010 23:19 Happy.fairytail wrote: Yeah, I'm pretty concerned that we could potentially have 8 mod deaths by the end of today. (Not worried about Bill Murray and Cynan, it seems they're around and will post in time) Also, in terms of accusations, I think we should start now. We only have 14 hours before the day ends, so we should give a few hours to accusations, a few hours to defending, a few hours to some townsperson deliberation, and a few hours to vote. So inactives, now is the time for you guys to start speaking up. I'm going to point out JeeJee just 'cuz he's at the top of the inactive list, and I know he's around because I just checked his post history and his last post was 10 hrs ago (13:09 TL time). So speak up man. This shows that he is just talking for the sake of talking. This makes the second time in a row he has posted right after his original post. If he was town, he would only need one really lengthy post, or a string of spam. I believe he is putting on a false face. I hope that you all will be convinced of Happy.Fairytale/BloodyC0bbler (remember, they're the same person as the slot) being scum. BC's play is a LOT weaker as scum based upon meta, and his play this game is so weak I wasn't even sure he was even IN the game. On October 06 2010 21:21 Happy.fairytail wrote: shoot, I didn't vote last night ... worked all night yesterday and fell asleep with the lights on and everything. am I mod killed? =T (gonna read the last 12 pages of posts now) On October 06 2010 21:56 Happy.fairytail wrote: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I had all this analysis done on this awesome spreadsheet, setting up profiles of every single person ... arghhhhhhhhhhhhfahsofuiaw8efu9anh7q23984nvpauilfjvo;uw3avn78o3nvr8oPA*OVRNA@NV These two things are nearly an open contradiction. "I haven't read 12 pages" followed immediately by 35 minutes and then "I had all this analysis done on this awesome spreadsheet". BULLSHIT. Lynch BloodyC0bbler. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On October 07 2010 13:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: basic summary of posts/arguments/conflicts concerning the deceased: Early on Pandain was bandwagoning infund for a lynch starting on page 15 with this post: His argument was that infund fit the profile of posting a lot of words with little content, a benchmark of mafia players attempting to appear as active townies. I argued that there were much better candidates for this position and I propositioned crisis as the best choice based on pandains logic. Our argument continued for a few pages and it should be read by everyone. On page 16 misder also called for a lynch of infundibulum. His argument was that infund had changed his playstyle. He then quickly changed his vote to OpZ on a "tiny suspicion". He never explained his reasoning. pandain later votes for SINiquity bumatlarge came into the thread saying his job as a townie would be to look out for the village idiot. ironically he himself voted for the village idiot, protactinum. on this same page I quoted cSc's vote for bumatlarge which he never once explained in the thread LSB softly accused bumatlarge of being mafia in this post: he also alluded to the fact that pandain might be red while pandain was the one who bandwagoned the now dead infund. on page 27 pandain lists bumatlarge as his second biggest suspect i would have edited this in but i need to add infunds second post here: On October 06 2010 10:37 Infundibulum wrote: The reason I haven't been posting is because I haven't been home since last night (>24h ago) when I made that first post. Thanks for getting my back while I was gone Dr H. Pandain, anybody can link to a website - but I'm the one who did. I don't think I've seen that guide before on TL at all, and frankly guides like that are something we could use more of on TL so that people can learn to play in non-PM games. You said it isn't superb though. So what would you add? Also Misder, I'm still waiting to see your list of suspects that you talked about before. he doesn't really make any strong accusations although he does point a very very soft finger toward Misder here | ||
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Bill Murray
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infinitestory
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His two posts: Given my schedule I'll be posting from about now till... well hopefully until the day ends. Seeing as how I'm new I guess this lynch the inactive's makes sense, and to avoid being one of the first ones to go, Here I am! If you don't have enough information to make an educated vote, is it better to go with the majority, or vote randomly? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 07 2010 13:38 Bill Murray wrote: @DoctorH why are you pushing easy mislynches? Well, I guess Misder is intermediate. You also say "these two people are town" in cSc and Pandain. I agree with doing that sometimes, but I do not see the point of it here. Why did you do that? becasue cSc and pandain were connected to the deaths of infund/bumatlarge through voting/argumentation i wanted to emphasize that I don't expect either of being scummy this is a game with a lot of new players who might just jump to the conclusion that whoever was most opposed to the deceased is the scum and I want to avoid people jumping to conclusions. i'm going to go read happy.fairytails first posts before i respond to your accusation of bloodyc0bbler although its certainly stronger than anything i've come up with for the time being. | ||
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Bill Murray
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You are now approaching a conundrum, a twilight zone if you will. Do you bus your partner if you are scum in this situation? "Sure, Bill, BC is scum" when you know he is to build townie cred? I don't put it past you, and perhaps I shouldn't fill you in on the ability to do that as it can be a viable tactic, but here at TeamLiquid players are usually very loyal to their scumbuddies. Watch out how you respond to someone else's case, DoctorH. If you have something bad to say, it is usually better to not say anything at all. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 07 2010 13:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: becasue cSc and pandain were connected to the deaths of infund/bumatlarge through voting/argumentation i wanted to emphasize that I don't expect either of being scummy this is a game with a lot of new players who might just jump to the conclusion that whoever was most opposed to the deceased is the scum and I want to avoid people jumping to conclusions. i'm going to go read happy.fairytails first posts before i respond to your accusation of bloodyc0bbler although its certainly stronger than anything i've come up with for the time being. I looked over his posts and see very little suspicious about his first three posts but his post about the analysis he had written strikes me as very strange. it's possible it was something he had been working on up until that point, although how good could it be if it was missing 12 pages of information? it seems happy.fairytale wanted to play the role of the "objective numbers guy" and he did exactly that. his second post with the statistics concerning cops seemed pretty neutral and didn't encourage cops to come forward until late in the game. if he's fishing for cops it's a pretty weak fish, especially considering there is an argument not too much later over whether detectives should roleclaim at all in which he doesn't participate is there something I'm missing here? you seem pretty certain and I'm not very familiar with BC's posting habits anyway so I don't have the same picture you do of him as an overall player although that end game contradiction is pretty strong, I'll give you that. Unfortunately happy.fairytale can't defend himself, although I'm not sure how he could | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On October 07 2010 13:43 Bill Murray wrote: If you don't agree, I'm probably going to label you as scum. You are now approaching a conundrum, a twilight zone if you will. Do you bus your partner if you are scum in this situation? "Sure, Bill, BC is scum" when you know he is to build townie cred? I don't put it past you, and perhaps I shouldn't fill you in on the ability to do that as it can be a viable tactic, but here at TeamLiquid players are usually very loyal to their scumbuddies. Watch out how you respond to someone else's case, DoctorH. If you have something bad to say, it is usually better to not say anything at all. i'm agreeing that you have a good point and a good case that needs to be discussed more i'm not ready to jump on your bandwagon yet for reasons i explained before | ||
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Bill Murray
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throw him under the bus, doctorh | ||
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