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Balla24
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JonnyLaw
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Balla24
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sidesprang
Norway1033 Posts
##Vote theDragoon On January 07 2014 07:21 theDragoon wrote: /offtopic:Yea i get it. I just felt like a lot of people look into my posts too much thinking there's some sort of link or slip or whatever when in reality i just don't know WTF I'm doing. /ontopic: I'm gonna ##Unvote onlywonderboy and ##Vote theDragoon. There's no way to get out of this mess, you're all really looking at the wrong guy. I guess without me fucking things up for the town, you'd be better off but this is going to be 2 down for mafia after the first night. I have to head out, I'll be on later. I'll be catching up for a bit, if anyone have any questions feel free to ask I'll be around for a bit. But gonna use some time catching up as a lot have been posted. | ||
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Day_Walker
104 Posts
On January 07 2014 08:19 JonnyLaw wrote: That's what I'm thinking Balla but I don't want to even mess with bigdad until dragoon's handled. Right now it sounds like you have both BigDad and theDragoon pegged as scum. I read BigDad's filter, his first four content posts all point suspicion at theDragoon. Based on that, I have a hard time believing they are both scum. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
On January 06 2014 20:30 BigDad wrote: Day_Walker is a different story, he comes across as a narrator rather than a contributor. I read his filter out of context of the overall thread and it becomes apparent that his posts are very cautious. After re-reading Day_Walker's filter multiple times, I did come to the conclusion that his posts are really cautious.. But I'm not sure if I would say that anything is particularly scummy. I looked for past games to reference but it seems this is his first game. To DayWalker: Your filter is pretty short, and on the whole you seem to be agreeing with people a lot without posting your own suspicions. I definitely want to hear who you think is scum and why, the next time you're in the thread. BigDad: Before I left I asked BigDad to elaborate on Day_Walker and his response to me was: + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2014 07:46 BigDad wrote: @Suki Here's my analysis of Day_Walkers game so far which makes me mistrustful. He opens with a list of character reads (a common theme in this thread) which appears to contain a lot of content however if you strip out all the quoting he has done and put it in the context of his following posts it shows Day_Walker as a player who is appearing to contribute without saying too much. To back my doubt in Day_walker have a look here.. ..maybe im being an overly suspicious townie but I hate when people create an alibi for their style of play early in the game; it may be an attempt to misdirect any doubt on him. Also, scum tend to spend alot of time apologising for their actions and not trying to get anyones bad side. Suki, can you have a look at Day_Walkers feed and tell me if you can see where I am coming from? ##Vote Day_Walker I'd also like to hear JonnyLaws opinion on Day_Walker after the recent activity. Again, he's describing Day_Walker's cautious play, but I don't see it as particularly scummy. Also I don't agree that Day_Walker has been particularly apologetic. Jonny pointed out how BigDad has been asking towny people for their opinions, and yeah I got a weird vibe when I read 'Suki, can you have a look at Day_Walker's feed', as well as asking Jonny for his opinion. He explained that he was just trying to create conversation which is a meh answer for me. Next his comment on theDragoon: [B]On January 07 2014 08:58 BigDad wrote: @Balla24 I've already outlined several times that I think theDragoon is an easy scum pick. Look at his posts (and my previous posts on him). I'll state it again he tends to dodge questions and post fluff that we cannot use to hunt scum. His self-vote is confusing; it's either a desperate, last-ditch attempt by a scum player to make us doubt our actions. Or it's a newbie town that can't deal with the pressure on himself and he [b]needs to post more content to get the bandwagon off him. My position at the moment is that even a valiant fight on his behalf wont stop this bandwagon, this means that whatever he flips tomorrow we may be able to see his relationships with other players - unfortunately he seems to have given up the ghost and stopped posting. This means that should he flip Town he isn't helping us a whole bunch. Again with the wishy-washiness. He can't seem to decide if theDragoon is 'an easy scum slip' or 'a newbie town that can't deal with the pressure on himself'. I still don't get a really townie vibe from BigDad like some other people in the thread. He's just too much on the fence about things that he shouldn't be. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
On January 07 2014 10:56 Day_Walker wrote: @Jonny Right now it sounds like you have both BigDad and theDragoon pegged as scum. I read BigDad's filter, his first four content posts all point suspicion at theDragoon. Based on that, I have a hard time believing they are both scum. Hmm... That's a good point, although BigDad's initial reasoning on why theDragoon was suspicious was really weak. I'd hardly call it a bus. | ||
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Day_Walker
104 Posts
On January 07 2014 05:27 onlywonderboy wrote: Although now that I refresh the page I see that the discussion has sort of shifted away from Derrida. My main scum reads at the moment are Dragoon and Day_Walker. They seem to be interacting a decent amount, which isn't inherently scummy, but they go out of there way to distance themselves from each other. Dragoon says "For the record, I want to make it clear that I never said I completely trust Day_Walker," Then Day_Walker says: I understand wanting to get out ahead of these accusations, but that doesn't mean we should ignore it simply because he pushed Dragoon slightly. These just seem like they are trying to distance themselves early so if either if them go down we don't suspect them as a scum pair. BigDad's post here was (I believe) the first to bring up the possibility of a me + Dragoon scum pair. I respond with the post you quoted above, effectively defending Dragoon by pointing out a flaw in BigDad's Asuna town, Dragoon scum read, and preface it by acknowledging the scum pair read. That's not distancing. If I was scum wanting distance, it would have been so much easier and safer to say nothing and hope BigDad's comment got lost in the shuffle. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
dnyarri Ugghh his instant switch of target from TheChyz to theDragoon as soon as he was pressured is really really bad. Also I really don't like this comment he made: My opinions about suki are based on the simple reason that suki has suspected the same players as I have, TheChyz and TheDragoon. Suki also unvoted TheChyz, like I did. First, he didn't actually state what his opinion of my was, but I'm assuming it's positive because he just really seems like he's trying to buddy up with me. So he thinks I'm town just because we've voted on the same people? Derrida I have mixed feelings on his intro post. On the one hand, I don't agree with his reads and don't understand the reasoning behind them. On the other hand, I get the feeling he's trying to contribute. I can definitely tell that it's his first game, particularly the discussion around voting to punctuate one's reads. Balla's put him under a lot of pressure and he seems to be frank and open about his thoughts. I can't say whether he's overall town or scum. His suspicions are all over the place and it's hard to make a read, so I'm gonna put him at null right now and evaluate again when he's contributed more. - - - That's all I have for now. I'll be off and on for a few more hours. | ||
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Day_Walker
104 Posts
Here is my line of thinking on OBW: After day 1, his filter had three posts. One cautionary comment about reading Balla, one good point about the IC and a promise to be a good townie, and one question about policy debates and scum hunting. All fine things to post, and he gets some good feedback (e.g. my list). But these are also very safe posts, and that's all we get for the first 24 hours. I can read this as a scum thinking "great, said some things, got people to like me, now I can let them argue about Chyz for a day". This was the point at which I suggested OBW as a possible lynch target. His posting for the next day starts with the first big reaction to the me + Dragoon scum pair idea that BigDad brought up, and then he basically rides that idea for the rest of the day. So the meat of his contribution over the last two days is one read which I know (although Town doesn't) to be false, and it's a read that came served on a platter. From my perspective, OBW's actions makes a lot of sense as scum. | ||
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Day_Walker
104 Posts
On January 07 2014 08:14 JonnyLaw wrote: Fine, since balla addressed it briefly I'll bite. That post was bad. He's agreeing with me but I just want owb to show some interest in the game. Nothing he did up to that point really screamed scum other than he likes to lurk when playing scum. I assume DW didn't know this when he posted. I don't like his play but dragoon needs to do something spectacular to change my mind. Correct. | ||
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BigDad
67 Posts
Again with the wishy-washiness. He can't seem to decide if theDragoon is 'an easy scum slip' or 'a newbie town that can't deal with the pressure on himself'. I still don't get a really townie vibe from BigDad like some other people in the thread. He's just too much on the fence about things that he shouldn't be. I'm just going to re-iterate that I've already outlined several times that I think theDragoon is an easy scum pick. I'm not sure why you're still arguing that I'm sitting on the fence. Just because my vote lies with Day_Walker does not diminish my suspicion of theDragoon. In my opinion, Townies pressuring people they find suspicious isn't suspicious. There's a whole day to go and just because we think we definitely found a scum doesn't mean we have to stop analyzing and probing other players. (Sorry i bolded that i'm just tired of stating this same position so many times!!) my analysis for Balla24 is exactly that, analysis, I've stated my opinion - then stated some Obiter Dictum to try to nail his exact position. I'm not inclined to go through this again, but i'm happy to if you guys need it. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
The people who are still NOT voting for him: Why not? | ||
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probuLing
United States75 Posts
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sidesprang
Norway1033 Posts
Man this sucks so much. Rollplay fallen so far atm, no idea if It can ever pick up again :S | ||
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sidesprang
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BigDad
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TheChyz
Canada238 Posts
On January 07 2014 08:34 BigDad wrote: erm, where is TheChyz. He voted a lurker then went afk. What the? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434723&user=TheChyz On January 07 2014 03:39 TheChyz wrote: Ok so I only have an hour cause of break at school and then going to be gone for about 10 or so hours so I will try to do as much as I can in this hour. On January 07 2014 04:19 TheChyz wrote: Ok unfortunately I will be afk for 9-10 hours. But for the last time Derrida, can you answer me why I do not seem scummy to you more in-depth? Dunno if your just lazy or trying to stir up things, either way, bad sign for you. Since most of the voting seems to be regarding on Dragoon I will wait until he returns to add more to the argument (or maybe not, read ahead and you will see). I still don't want people to forget about dnyarri. To me it seems like typical scum play, ie do nothing first day, post a little and try to cause no commotion, go back into lurking until it is day 2. I will have a post again soon as I want to re-read filters and make sure I am not mistaking my argument due to just reading too quickly. | ||
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TheChyz
Canada238 Posts
##Unvote Unvoting because I think there could be better lynch targets but just going to wait on the dragoon response/something else drastic to happen. Also what are people's opinions on dnyarri? | ||
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theDragoon
Canada307 Posts
@JonnyLaw Thanks for putting that out of context. In that post, if you read it again, I go over the possibility of TheChyz being a townie and a mafia. I didn't call him a townie then voted for him. I ran through both scenarios in the post. If you want to use that as being contradictory, at least quote the whole post. I voted for him there because he caused confusion at that time. By that logic, you should vote for me for the confusion I have created. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434723¤tpage=16#313 I don't understand why he keeps contradicting himself in the same sentence. daywlker's bandwagoning but he likes it? I never said I liked his decision to jump on TheChyz bandwagon, I did myself. It was just a common thing we agreed with, and we weren't the only ones to jump on that bandwagon. Then talks about my pressure on Asuna and dismisses it completely without reason. I'm not familiar with this format so I didn't know you were just pressuring Asuna. To me it looked like you just decided to lynch him for reasons I did not agree with. Excuses, bandwagoning and self doubt in one line. I'm down to lynch Asuna or OWB at this point. From that, your reason to lynch Asuna was basically due to his inexperience. Not a good enough reason to warrant being lynched. It was also something I can relate with as I myself am prone to making excuses, bandwagoning and having self doubt, if I don't want to be lynched because I have those traits, I certainly don't want others to be as well. Fuck, this could all be bad play is my biggest issue with lynching dragoon. You're goddamn right. @Derrida Voting for me without any explanation? You flagged me as yellow earlier and even brought up the possibility of me being a bad player then going straight for me because everyone else is. I get trying to get rid of bad players but the goal of the game is to eliminate mafia through lynching or character powers. @BigDad You claim that I put trust in Day_Walker and that's how I got pretty high up on your suspicions list. But I've said many times already I never outright claimed that I trusted Day_Walker, I'm not going to repeat it again here. @Suki theDragoon's knee jerk reaction to vote OWB because of an incorrect timeline. - Attacking his attacker for a slight inconsistency. I reacted to that inconsistency because he was trying to frame his argument based on the fact that I "changed my mind" about Day_Walker. He said something along the lines of me saying I changed my mind THEN... Day_Walker mentioned something. The only reason why I even mentioned Day_Walker at all is because Balla24 asked me what I thought, then people started putting words in my mouth saying I trusted him. His flip-flopping on Derrida, first saying his suspicion is 'low' and then on his very next post saying Derrida is higher up. New information pops up, you reread things you change your opinions. How's that scummy at all? Suki to me sounds like a scum trying to take advantage of this situation, to get a townie a guaranteed lynch. there's no way he's not mafia here. Everyone watch out for Suki, her true nature as a scum will be revealed when I get flipped. @sidesprang I know you don't like self voting, but I felt like my vote doesn't matter given the amount of votes I had on me at the time. I was heading out to class at the time so I rushed my post a bit and I guess got a little hot headed at the votes turning to me. I only voted myself because I felt like my vote is useless, given how many votes I had on me. From the posts I read from when I was away, I'll have to warn the town about Suki, BigDad, Derrida and possibly Day_Walker (my so called scumbuddy). This is all I'll post for now I'm about to eat dinner and shower. I'll be back on an hour or so. Also, do I get a last word before I get lynched? | ||
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