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On March 09 2012 06:45 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 06:34 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On March 09 2012 05:06 Mordiford wrote:On March 09 2012 04:41 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Mordiford, can you see why Jessica would be upset if Dragon lied about retiring (again) in order to leave the team? There must be something going on there; Golden left at the same time specifically to look for a foreign team, and she's had nothing but good things to say about him, and about Sleep, who also left and joined x6. So if Dragon had left citing a new opportunity, I doubt there would have been problems. It's the deception that's got her (understandably) pissed off.
Edit: I implore everyone, before you start making judgements about what happened, look at the chronology. Most of the theories here don't make any sense if you just look at the dates of the various statements. I already touched on that in an earlier post. Quite simply, I could understand if Dragon left to return to work, and then changed his mind very shortly afterwards. Also, I could understand why he would lie based on what I've seen of Jessica's behavior in the past, she's been involved in her fair share of drama and always comes off in the same overbearing and aggressive manner. If he wanted to leave SlayerS(a team he was getting little to nothing from aside from the name) and didn't want to have to go through Jessica(who honestly seems to be sort of a nightmare to me), I can understand why he would lie. I'm not saying it's right, but it's understandable. It's also important to note that Golden(I'm not sure about Sleep) was living in the SlayerS house for extended periods of time while Dragon was not. He seemed to be getting very little from SlayerS and they displayed no intention of investing more than they had in him. I don't see why Jessica is throwing such a colossal fit over a player that the team clearly never really considered an asset in the first place, even if he did lie. Dragon would also have to be a moron to think that leaving the team, returning to work and then a week later returning to looking for a team would not be conspicuous. It is quite possible that in this time frame he realized that he could possibly get from a foreign team, all that he was not getting from SlayerS. No matter how it goes though, this isn't the first time Jessica is at the center of a boat load of drama and I doubt it will be the last. She seems to have a penchant for histrionics and it does nothing but put me off her team. So you're saying that Dragon was justifid in lying to the management of his team because he didn't get to live in the house? We have absolutely no idea what his contract status was, how much if anything he was paid, how he interacted with people behind the scenes... Literally all we know about the guy is that he's a popular-ish streamer with a shady past. If Slayers didn't value him, then you have to think they wouldn't oppose him moving somewhere else. The team had much more invested in Sleep and Golden, and yet both players openly moved to other teams. Jessica's position has always been extremely positive about those moves. So if Dragon just wanted to leave, then he has no reason to lie. The only way that action makes sense is if he was under contract, quote-unquote retired to get out of that contract, and then was able to sign with a new team. That's entirely consistent with his behavior after his maphacking/stream cheating scandal; he publically apologized and promised to retire from pro gaming forever, only to break that promise little more than a month later. This is a tool he's used before. I mean, the most charitable interpretation you've offered is that Dragon was too cowardly to tell his management that he was leaving, despite other teammates moving along with nothing but well wishes from Jessica. That seems flimsy to me. I never said Dragon was justified, so no. I said I understand why he(or someone in general) would lie to get out of dealing with Jessica based on her aggressive and dramatic behavior in the past. I have little love for Dragon, I've barely watched his stream and don't consider him a particularly impressive player, apparently, neither did SlayerS since they never really use him for anything. Now, if he lied to get out of his contract then it's a dick move, I have yet to say otherwise so I'm not sure why you'd try and put words in my mouth. My response is in regards to Jessica's reaction which is absolutely ridiculous in regards to a player that SlayerS could not have considered much of an asset based on what I know of him. There is also the possibility(albeit unlikely) that he is just an indecisive person when it comes to gaming, immediately doubling back on decisions to quit. The point I'm making is in regards to the topic of Jessica's tweets and her overreaction in general. This isn't the first time she's had outbursts like this and it probably won't be the last. She comes across as hypocritical, abrasive and overdramatic.
If you only judge her based on the drama threads that sprout up on TL then yeah, but then you wouldn't be very smart would you. She has done a lot for the team and there is a lot more to her than just TL drama. Then again, if it doesn't hurt e-sports it doesn't get a 50 page thread on TL so...
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Maybe Dragon went about leaving the wrong way, but was he under contract? Shouldn't a contract have limitations on things like this?... I'm both a Dragon fan and a Slayers fan, that shouldn't matter, and its stupid alot of people on here are just trying to put one group vs the other. All I'm saying is if he isn't under contract, he can leave whenever right?... Mill came him a contract most likely, with a length of time and a set salary. If you had a better opportunity, and got more money you wouldn't bounce out of there either?
I think a buncha people on here is dwelling on the dumb shit, support him or don't why drag this out... Dragon fans just want to see him play, what does the opposition want to see? What if he could possibly be one of the best sc2 players right now(with practice and getting into form) you guys rather screw up his sc2 career? I really dont understand the goal, put yourself in his shoes... I would hate to have random internet people talk shit about me just cause they are bored and got nothing better do than keep threads like these going.
As far as Jessica's tweets, she sounds like she's just using twitter to take cheap shots at him. Takes me back to high school childish days...
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it's obvious that jessica wants his dick
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On March 09 2012 06:54 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 06:45 Mordiford wrote:On March 09 2012 06:34 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On March 09 2012 05:06 Mordiford wrote:On March 09 2012 04:41 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Mordiford, can you see why Jessica would be upset if Dragon lied about retiring (again) in order to leave the team? There must be something going on there; Golden left at the same time specifically to look for a foreign team, and she's had nothing but good things to say about him, and about Sleep, who also left and joined x6. So if Dragon had left citing a new opportunity, I doubt there would have been problems. It's the deception that's got her (understandably) pissed off.
Edit: I implore everyone, before you start making judgements about what happened, look at the chronology. Most of the theories here don't make any sense if you just look at the dates of the various statements. I already touched on that in an earlier post. Quite simply, I could understand if Dragon left to return to work, and then changed his mind very shortly afterwards. Also, I could understand why he would lie based on what I've seen of Jessica's behavior in the past, she's been involved in her fair share of drama and always comes off in the same overbearing and aggressive manner. If he wanted to leave SlayerS(a team he was getting little to nothing from aside from the name) and didn't want to have to go through Jessica(who honestly seems to be sort of a nightmare to me), I can understand why he would lie. I'm not saying it's right, but it's understandable. It's also important to note that Golden(I'm not sure about Sleep) was living in the SlayerS house for extended periods of time while Dragon was not. He seemed to be getting very little from SlayerS and they displayed no intention of investing more than they had in him. I don't see why Jessica is throwing such a colossal fit over a player that the team clearly never really considered an asset in the first place, even if he did lie. Dragon would also have to be a moron to think that leaving the team, returning to work and then a week later returning to looking for a team would not be conspicuous. It is quite possible that in this time frame he realized that he could possibly get from a foreign team, all that he was not getting from SlayerS. No matter how it goes though, this isn't the first time Jessica is at the center of a boat load of drama and I doubt it will be the last. She seems to have a penchant for histrionics and it does nothing but put me off her team. So you're saying that Dragon was justifid in lying to the management of his team because he didn't get to live in the house? We have absolutely no idea what his contract status was, how much if anything he was paid, how he interacted with people behind the scenes... Literally all we know about the guy is that he's a popular-ish streamer with a shady past. If Slayers didn't value him, then you have to think they wouldn't oppose him moving somewhere else. The team had much more invested in Sleep and Golden, and yet both players openly moved to other teams. Jessica's position has always been extremely positive about those moves. So if Dragon just wanted to leave, then he has no reason to lie. The only way that action makes sense is if he was under contract, quote-unquote retired to get out of that contract, and then was able to sign with a new team. That's entirely consistent with his behavior after his maphacking/stream cheating scandal; he publically apologized and promised to retire from pro gaming forever, only to break that promise little more than a month later. This is a tool he's used before. I mean, the most charitable interpretation you've offered is that Dragon was too cowardly to tell his management that he was leaving, despite other teammates moving along with nothing but well wishes from Jessica. That seems flimsy to me. I never said Dragon was justified, so no. I said I understand why he(or someone in general) would lie to get out of dealing with Jessica based on her aggressive and dramatic behavior in the past. I have little love for Dragon, I've barely watched his stream and don't consider him a particularly impressive player, apparently, neither did SlayerS since they never really use him for anything. Now, if he lied to get out of his contract then it's a dick move, I have yet to say otherwise so I'm not sure why you'd try and put words in my mouth. My response is in regards to Jessica's reaction which is absolutely ridiculous in regards to a player that SlayerS could not have considered much of an asset based on what I know of him. There is also the possibility(albeit unlikely) that he is just an indecisive person when it comes to gaming, immediately doubling back on decisions to quit. The point I'm making is in regards to the topic of Jessica's tweets and her overreaction in general. This isn't the first time she's had outbursts like this and it probably won't be the last. She comes across as hypocritical, abrasive and overdramatic. If you only judge her based on the drama threads that sprout up on TL then yeah, but then you wouldn't be very smart would you. She has done a lot for the team and there is a lot more to her than just TL drama. Then again, if it doesn't hurt e-sports it doesn't get a 50 page thread on TL so...
You can do positive things for your team internally and still be a drama queen. I'm not judging Jessica as a person at all, I'm forming my opinion of her public image as team manager based on what she does airs in public as team manager. She has a bad track record in this regard.
No doubt she does a bunch of great things for SlayerS. Being histrionic on twitter is not among them.
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I dont see a problem here... May be he wanted to go back to the job...then he started streaming, became good at the game...its not like he quit the team and joined new team on last day... and even so what difference does it make.????????
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On March 07 2012 20:49 -orb- wrote:
Jessica should take some courses on PR
Her business sense is amazing but holy shit does she handle these situations poorly
Oh, the irony...
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This is definitely an issue that couldn't be solved by email.
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On March 09 2012 07:25 achristes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:49 -orb- wrote:
Jessica should take some courses on PR
Her business sense is amazing but holy shit does she handle these situations poorly Oh, the irony...
haha, great find 
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SlayerS (all the Korean teams really, but they seem the one to be the most attracted by dramas, along with TSL) absolutely needs a korean-english-PR, like a Hwanni or a Reis to manage their relations.
None questions Jessica's attachment to the team but she's already proven to be very emotional about team-related stuff and often does not answer publicly in a considerate way, but rather she heats things up and makes the matter even worse.
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She posted these in Korean; if the Korean->English PR is poor, that's because this is something that wasn't for the English audience to read?
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On March 07 2012 20:49 -orb- wrote:
Jessica should take some courses on PR
Her business sense is amazing but holy shit does she handle these situations poorly
Can't agree more than this. Jessica lets her emotions get the best of her sometimes and she turns into a really dumb nagger.
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On March 09 2012 08:42 lannisport wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:49 -orb- wrote:
Jessica should take some courses on PR
Her business sense is amazing but holy shit does she handle these situations poorly Can't agree more than this. Jessica lets her emotions get the best of her sometimes and she turns into a really dumb nagger.
Not sure if that was a pun, but if so, smartly played
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On March 07 2012 20:49 -orb- wrote:
Jessica should take some courses on PR
Her business sense is amazing but holy shit does she handle these situations poorly
That post is too perfect.
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She's what, 40? One would think with enough experience in the spotlight, one would be able to maintain at least a little bit of tact in their reactions.
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On March 09 2012 00:27 Qiox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 00:23 LeSioN wrote:
Or maybe dragon was confronted by jessica about his rampant stream cheating, and he told her he was quiting anyways. She's just to classy to call him out after the fact. Just make shit up, believe it to be true and start insulting. That's your plan?
never said i believe it to be true. just speculating, like everyone else in this thread. also who did i insult? im pretty sure i did not resort to the blatant sexism being thrown around Jessica.
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On March 09 2012 08:42 lannisport wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:49 -orb- wrote:
Jessica should take some courses on PR
Her business sense is amazing but holy shit does she handle these situations poorly Can't agree more than this. Jessica lets her emotions get the best of her sometimes and she turns into a really dumb nagger.
LOL, nice.
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On March 07 2012 20:49 -orb- wrote:
Jessica should take some courses on PR
Her business sense is amazing but holy shit does she handle these situations poorly
Yes clearly you know a lot about this kind of things, your smart guy you!
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But Dragon didn't live in the slayers house... at all if I'm not mistaken, how can Jessica treat him like he owed SlayerS so much? He's simply an amazing talent that found a team that would give him money and a place to live. From what I got of the history, Slayers had him for the sake of convenience and imo underutilized an amazing talent.
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looks like jessica is suffering from the totalbiscuit twitter syndrome
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On March 09 2012 13:29 _Khandi_ wrote:
But Dragon didn't live in the slayers house... at all if I'm not mistaken, how can Jessica treat him like he owed SlayerS so much? He's simply an amazing talent that found a team that would give him money and a place to live. From what I got of the history, Slayers had him for the sake of convenience and imo underutilized an amazing talent.
As I understand the back story, Dragon was caught stream cheating during a tournament back in 2010. Kicked off of Werra for it / publicly apologized / claimed to retire as penance (not sure on the order of things exactly).
Then as a teamless player he qualifies for GSL Open 3, loses to Nestea in the Ro64. There's a huge outcry over him breaking his 'never competing again' promise. Mr Chae even has to make a statement about why they let him compete at all.
Fast forward, apparently he joins Slayers saying he's just playing for fun. He gets the competing itch again and tells Slayers, I'm leaving to focus on my job, while instead looking for a foreign team.
Of course he played for Slayers in IPL TAC and was on the actual team (not clan); so they knew he wasn't done competing, but still he didn't play much, so maybe they thought he was just semi-pro. Or maybe they were keeping him on a short leach like they did Coca after his scandal. Either way, they took a risk taking on someone that was 'damaged goods' and rehabilitating his rep (no controversies about his playing for Slayers I believe) and he doesn't even give them a straight answer for leaving.
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