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On September 20 2012 00:15 Palmar wrote: Get off my Hapa bro's case.
Wtf is this shit, prplhz is not scum look at his big post after he started caring.
why does that make him town?
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Can we get a vote count please?
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On September 19 2012 23:48 Palmar wrote: What about marv austinmcc? Why do you not want to lynch him?
I think this is the best thing you've written on marvOn September 19 2012 18:13 Palmar wrote: This is important: When I joined the game marv had made exactly one post worth reading. It was a long-winded post but it had very little substance to it, at least for someone I would consider a good player. He basically rehashed the reasons why a case against hapahauli was bad (duh) and then proceeded to vote for a lurker.
The point is marv was really, really not doing jack shit in the game until I actually came in and called him out on it. He seems to have really changed things up. He even changed his entire attitude to be more badass. If you don't believe me, read his filter before, and after this post:
It's absolutely true. But this isn't lynchable for me. The shitty reasoning there is "I can't very well get on someone's case for not being active D1 until they were called out, at least not this game." The better reasoning is that I don't see that as a scum-only action from marv. Whether he's town or scum, he should be putting in some effort, making some good posts. Yes, it may be beneficial to lurk as scum, more so than lurking as town, but it's not more beneficial to get active after being called out as scum than it is as town? Both factions would prefer to be active, visible, making quality posts. So the response is something I read as possible from either faction.
You really dislike how marv liked Hiro's point about you entering the thread with 3 fresh scumreads. I actually was right with marv, really found Hiro's point interesting at first. See my mementoss post, there's a spoiler with my thought process there. I disagree now that your entrance was scummy, but I had the same initial thought as Hiro, and so it was good to see someone else sharing that. Regardless of my feelings on your alignment, I found that post interesting, so I don't find it scummy that marv did as well.
Aside from discussin your reasoning, things that are specific to what marv has posted:On September 18 2012 22:19 marvellosity wrote:Shame goodkarma is replacing out. His first post was scummy as hell. Not the general wishywashyness/not voting, but the fact that he was willing to talk about policy/trolling. I'm going to be keeping a close eye on his replacement. Look at this: Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 07:17 goodkarma wrote:
However, that prplhlz's play doesn't generate any meaningful discussion is a valid point. This is definitely scummy behavior.
On Policy Discussion: As for how the game's started out: now for the last few games I've played in they start with trolling, which turns into hasty accusations, which then eventually turns into an actual game of scumhunting... We've already gone this direction again... I don't understand why policy has been so rarely brought up at the start of games (at least the games that I've played), as it is far more productive than trolling.
I'd like to briefly discuss policy here: If for whatever reason we can't find someone who we feel has a decent chance of flipping scum, I propose we lynch a lurker. Tbh, I don't believe we will have this problem. But we should have some kind of contingency plan to fall back on if discussion, for whatever reason, takes us nowhere. The thread has already generated a scumread for GK, but for some reason he's derailing into policy discussion. Look at what he says - policy discussion is far more productive than the direction this game has gone. But look at how this game has gone. This might be the most productive Day 1 I've ever seen. Why is he complaining about it? I agreed with this. For that exact reason. BH had just posted his prplhz case. GK responded to BH about the prplhz case, bringing up BH's claimed dislike of meta. Things were just about to take off. GK's comments about policy discussion felt odd at that point, like we had just had the jumping off post of the thread for activity (BH's case led into responses, those responses led into more posts - me trying to explain myself, hapa and mementoss sniping at eachother, etc.). GK wants to talk about policy in order to be more productive, when the thread is about to see the height of producivity for our D1. So I liked marv's thoughts there.
Those would be my reasons specific to you and marv. I'm not finding him scummy this game atm. Apart from your comment on his change in activity, I'm not in agreement with some of the things you find scummy about him. I don't LIKE that he didn't continue mulling over hiropro's comment, I don't LIKE that he kept bringing up your entrance as scummy, but oh well.
Anything else is ... minor ticky-tacky stuff. If I'm pretty inactive D1, marv likes to hop on my case. I haven't played with him in a game where he was scum when it's happened, so it's not a town-tell or anything, and it happened a little later than he got accusatory in bureaucracy and can't believe it's not themed, but still not scummy.
But the biggest reason is the simplest. I think mementoss is scum. I think mementoss has had scummy reactions. I want to lynch mementoss. marv is not mementoss. So why would I lynch marv?
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On September 20 2012 00:02 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 07:01 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 06:55 austinmcc wrote:On September 18 2012 06:50 Hapahauli wrote: If mafia would like to keep hypothetical townie-marv alive to the endgame because of my "policy lynch," then awesome! Mission accomplished! Though in all seriousness, I've read through quite a few of his recent games. He never lives as town past N3 (barring Mad Men Mafia where he was a replacement) in his recent games. If he's alive a long time, there's a very high chance (IMO basically guaranteed chance) of him flipping red.
<3 everyone at all, but you need to look further. He's generally not being killed off for supersexy scumhunting, but because he comes off as very townie and is generating a lot of discussion/activity from others. His early reads, although I haven't read recent games, are not generally a big threat to mafia.
On September 18 2012 06:50 Blazinghand wrote: Hey pudding-munchers stop arguing about that and read my case I don't know how anyone can munch on pudding. I DO kind of like that observation. It feels almost TOO obvious but...man it's kind of damning. TOO obvious, as in more obvious than Mattchew in LVII? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=14#261Nothing, can be TOO obvious. Thats like saying you don't think someone is scum, because there TOO scummy. Stop waffling, either you think its scummy or you think its not. Don't say things like "kind of like" and "TOO obvious but damning", your all over the place bro. Look at all the reactions to this post I made. Palmar thinks I'm scum just from the too obvious comment. Marv found it scummy. Hapa found it scummy. I think another one or two people did as well. But Mementoss's reaction to my comment felt different.
I don't read much into this. It's the kinda post I can see being made as either alignment.
On September 20 2012 00:02 austinmcc wrote:He mentions me later, after Bluelightz questions him a little: Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 23:14 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 22:57 Bluelightz wrote:On September 18 2012 22:40 Mementoss wrote: @Bluelightz case I understand you just went through all my filter, and basically resaid the things I posted. I don't see how it makes me scum, and adding SCUM! at the end doesn't make it make me scummy lol. In the future when making a case, you should outline how the quotes make the person scum and not re-iterate what the post says.
Can't say much more now since I'm at work. Why do you have to point fingers on everyone and your now pushing Hapa but voting prplhz? If you want to know my best scum read, check who I'm voting, that will be it. I'm not pushing Hapa, I'm asking him to explain his reasoning more. Don't purposely misinterpret me, don't you see how far that got Zephridd with his case on Hapa? I'm allowed to pressure other players while voting another player. There is more than 1 scum in this game ya know. I would say the only other person I remotely pressured so far would be austinmcc's scummy indecisiveness. I guess...I didn't feel pressured by his post. He doesn't call me scum. He doesn't call my scummy. He doesn't REALLY say anything about me above. This isn't a super-strong point, as indecisiveness usually ~ scumminess, but my problem with his initial reaction was that it wasn't strong, didn't call me out, didn't end in a vote, nothing. So I find his characterization of that post as being the only pressure he's put on a person other than prplhz this game to be off. It's not outright, flashing lights, scummy. But when it's a response to pressure and you're sort of...almost misrepresenting an earlier post, misrepresenting your play, it comes off scummy. It comes off like you don't have a good handle on the actions you've taken and are slightly scrambling to explain yourself to pressure.
The thing is, I think you're actually misrepresenting Mementoss somewhat here. He said "the only other person I remotely pressured" - the way this is phrased clearly indicates to me that he wasn't calling it significant pressure. "I remotely pressured" - as in, I kinda pressured a bit. But you're saying that he's misrepresenting it as proper pressure, when I don't think that's actually the case.
Some of the other parts of your case are stronger, though. The bits with the questioning on me/fuba without coming to an explanation. I think you also have a valid point that he voted prplhz early, but never updated his read on him despite all prplhz's other posting.
Why has it taken you so long to come into the thread and contribute something, austin?
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Cause he doesn't care about the game. Tbh I was hoping he'd be mod killed so we wouldn't have to deal with him.
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EBWOP: towards the end, "without coming to a conclusion."
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On September 20 2012 00:36 marvellosity wrote:austin: Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 00:02 austinmcc wrote:On September 18 2012 07:01 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 06:55 austinmcc wrote:On September 18 2012 06:50 Hapahauli wrote: If mafia would like to keep hypothetical townie-marv alive to the endgame because of my "policy lynch," then awesome! Mission accomplished! Though in all seriousness, I've read through quite a few of his recent games. He never lives as town past N3 (barring Mad Men Mafia where he was a replacement) in his recent games. If he's alive a long time, there's a very high chance (IMO basically guaranteed chance) of him flipping red.
<3 everyone at all, but you need to look further. He's generally not being killed off for supersexy scumhunting, but because he comes off as very townie and is generating a lot of discussion/activity from others. His early reads, although I haven't read recent games, are not generally a big threat to mafia.
On September 18 2012 06:50 Blazinghand wrote: Hey pudding-munchers stop arguing about that and read my case I don't know how anyone can munch on pudding. I DO kind of like that observation. It feels almost TOO obvious but...man it's kind of damning. TOO obvious, as in more obvious than Mattchew in LVII? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=14#261Nothing, can be TOO obvious. Thats like saying you don't think someone is scum, because there TOO scummy. Stop waffling, either you think its scummy or you think its not. Don't say things like "kind of like" and "TOO obvious but damning", your all over the place bro. Look at all the reactions to this post I made. Palmar thinks I'm scum just from the too obvious comment. Marv found it scummy. Hapa found it scummy. I think another one or two people did as well. But Mementoss's reaction to my comment felt different. I don't read much into this. It's the kinda post I can see being made as either alignment. Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 00:02 austinmcc wrote:He mentions me later, after Bluelightz questions him a little: On September 18 2012 23:14 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 22:57 Bluelightz wrote:On September 18 2012 22:40 Mementoss wrote: @Bluelightz case I understand you just went through all my filter, and basically resaid the things I posted. I don't see how it makes me scum, and adding SCUM! at the end doesn't make it make me scummy lol. In the future when making a case, you should outline how the quotes make the person scum and not re-iterate what the post says.
Can't say much more now since I'm at work. Why do you have to point fingers on everyone and your now pushing Hapa but voting prplhz? If you want to know my best scum read, check who I'm voting, that will be it. I'm not pushing Hapa, I'm asking him to explain his reasoning more. Don't purposely misinterpret me, don't you see how far that got Zephridd with his case on Hapa? I'm allowed to pressure other players while voting another player. There is more than 1 scum in this game ya know. I would say the only other person I remotely pressured so far would be austinmcc's scummy indecisiveness. I guess...I didn't feel pressured by his post. He doesn't call me scum. He doesn't call my scummy. He doesn't REALLY say anything about me above. This isn't a super-strong point, as indecisiveness usually ~ scumminess, but my problem with his initial reaction was that it wasn't strong, didn't call me out, didn't end in a vote, nothing. So I find his characterization of that post as being the only pressure he's put on a person other than prplhz this game to be off. It's not outright, flashing lights, scummy. But when it's a response to pressure and you're sort of...almost misrepresenting an earlier post, misrepresenting your play, it comes off scummy. It comes off like you don't have a good handle on the actions you've taken and are slightly scrambling to explain yourself to pressure. The thing is, I think you're actually misrepresenting Mementoss somewhat here. He said "the only other person I remotely pressured" - the way this is phrased clearly indicates to me that he wasn't calling it significant pressure. "I remotely pressured" - as in, I kinda pressured a bit. But you're saying that he's misrepresenting it as proper pressure, when I don't think that's actually the case.
Some of the other parts of your case are stronger, though. The bits with the questioning on me/fuba without coming to an explanation. I think you also have a valid point that he voted prplhz early, but never updated his read on him despite all prplhz's other posting. Why has it taken you so long to come into the thread and contribute something, austin? Any answer I give could come from any alignment. It's part laziness, part busyness (although I've had time where I could have gotten active), part...nothing catching my eye? It tends to take something to get me rolling.
Afaik, I'm not the most active D1 poster. Can't believe mini I got active about talis, spouted nonsense, but didn't do much else. Bureaucracy mini I was inactive until sandroba claimed messenger. LVII I was inactive until BM started questioning me, and until I latched onto Z-BosoN.
While I had a stretch with NO activity here, which is abnormal, and contributed less than usual, I'm not generally the largest contributor on D1.
I agree that mementoss's post could have come from either alignment. It's one reason I didn't jump on it when it was made, it didn't trigger the same reaction. It took seeing OTHER responses, and noticing how different they were, before mementoss's reaction looked worse.
I...hmmm, I agree with you about my representation of his "remotely pressured" comment. There's something that just doesn't feel right to me there though, and it's that uneasiness that leaked into how I represented his comment. It never felt like pressure. Heck, you and hapa called me scum and voted me I think but it didn't feel like pressure, because it was still so early and I no longer freak out if I get called scum. It just doesn't feel like he's actually put pressure on anyone all game, and instead of responding to Bluelightz with "I haven't put pressure on anyone" he gives the response that he did.
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On September 20 2012 00:38 Blazinghand wrote: Cause he doesn't care about the game. Tbh I was hoping he'd be mod killed so we wouldn't have to deal with him. So cruel. But so true for most of my D1 performance.
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On September 20 2012 00:49 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 00:38 Blazinghand wrote: Cause he doesn't care about the game. Tbh I was hoping he'd be mod killed so we wouldn't have to deal with him. So cruel. But so true for most of my D1 performance.
What gets me though is that there has been so much to talk about in between where you went silent and this case. It bugs me tremendously that you say there was "nothing that caught your eye" or in other words nothing that made you want to get involved. It shows spectacular apathy even for your 'traditional' Day 1s.
Gonna have to cogitate on it :/
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##Vote mementoss
I'll re-iterate what I said before. Mementoss voted for prplhz early in the game. He never once questioned prplhz, and hasn't mentioned him for well over 24 hours while having his vote on him. This makes no sense from a townie perspective.
As for prplhz, I have a townie read on him. Too many people are sheeping his case. Things are coming together too easily. Finally, I don't agree with Ange's case. Ange reads his posts as "useless fluff", and therefore he's scum. I read his posts completely differently, and see a townie who's being open with his suspicions.
For example, look how he voted marv, and explicitly stated he had reservations about it. That's not scum behavior. Voting for someone you don't believe is scum = scum behavior. Voting someone while expressing reservations is a cautious townie. What's the point of including that reservations line as scum? It's just as easy to sheep and tunnel marv without any reservations.
To me, his "reservations" say that he's open about his reads and mentality. I believe prplhz is town.
Please take a look at mementoss's filter. There's nothing townie about it. He seemingly forgot about his suspicions prplhz and has been trying to point fingers since. Like read his filter, he never has a definite scumread and has been fanning the flames of several cases made through the day; astinmcc, mkfuba, and most recently marv.
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Hapa, could you give me your current read on austin, please?
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also while I'm at it, Palmar, what do you make of Mementoss?
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On September 20 2012 01:08 marvellosity wrote: Hapa, could you give me your current read on austin, please?
My read last night gave him a few townie points, and his recent posting seems well-reasoned enough. He's also voting for my top scumread, so that always helps. Townie for now, but will re-evaluate based on flips of course.
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On September 20 2012 00:02 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 23:29 Hapahauli wrote: Voting prplhz is a bad idea, and I'm going to switch into hard-defending mode.
Have you seen some of the reasoning that people are voting him?
Austin sheeped him apathetically. Bluelights sheeped him a looooing time ago. Blazhinghand thinks he's the scummiest player, but has voted for marv and mkfuba in the interim for questionable reasons. MMtoss voted him on Day 1, has discussed several other cases and has barely mentioned prplhz at all since.
Ange is the only person who has something resembling reasonable suspicion on prplhz, and even then I highly disagree with it. I'll get to this more after class, but we should really be looking at some of the people on the prplhz wagon.
Especially MMtoss.
##unvote ##vote prplhzbluelightz sheeps any player who he feels to be townblazinghand had his view changed but decided prplhz to be better after all Mementoss has stated that his top scum read is the one guy he is voting, and most of his posts are somehow connected to prplhz's case or people who aren't on his case austin looks bad, I don't disagree with it I've posted my reasons earlier and IMP is clearly not happening Ange is legit as well like you said
Bluelightz sheeps players who he feels are TOWN and you're voting for prplhz? Mementoss has never mentioned or even attempted to question his top scumread. Seems legit.
I've recently posted my thoughts on Ange's case, take a look.
and finally, there is way too much resistance on prplhz. resistance in form of a marvellosity lynch that I find to be unjustified, in form of a mementoss lynch that is coming out of fucking nowhere, in form of terrible posts from iamperfection, in form of terrible posts from hiropro.
Of course a mementoss lynch is "coming out of fucking nowhere." Several people find him scummy. That's not a reason to dismiss a case. In fact, you seem more critical about town than you actually care about scumhunting.
You're not town, are you?
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On September 20 2012 00:02 austinmcc wrote:*snip* So here's the thing. I don't get the feeling like mementoss is scumhunting. Not in the way that people should be getting that feeling about me, or others that have lurked. I get the feeling like he's been trying to show that he's scumhunting, but that his reactions are entirely wrong for someone who is doing so. - His reaction to my TOO obvious post was to tell me not to be wishy-washy. When everyone else's reaction was "austinmcc scum." He then later notes that he applied pressure with his comments.
- He pokes at mkfuba, but when mkfuba responds with a nothingpost, mementoss doesn't care at all.
- He engages marv in discussion, after something weird, but seems to draw no conclusion from the discussion, ending at his starting point
- He voted prplhz based partially on BH's case (fine) and partially on prplhz asking who mkfuba was (not a scummy contradiction, NOT fine)
I know that it's shitty to be gone, throw out someone new, vote them, try to switch votes, blah blah. But mementoss is the most scummy person to me. I'd rather vote someone scummy than sheep, although prplhz isn't a pure sheep, he doesn't look great and I was really worried about something Zephirdd mentioned, that mini where he got pinned on D1, claimed cop, and then just sat back all game. Still...mementoss scummier. ##Unvote##Vote: Mementoss
Hapa, you had previous concerns over mementoss. They seem to still be around. How do you feel about his reactions to my TOO obvious post and mkfuba's weird post? marv and palmar, you guys both found me SCUMMY based on that TOO obvious post. How do you feel about mementoss's reaction? Was he just calmer about it, or does it actually feel like he responded in an entirely different way than a town mindset player would? Other folks. Has mementoss done a thing you're happy with? Contributed something you're happy with?
I have a little time, should I guess I should address your main points:
- I was the first person that I recall pointing out how awkward that first post was, I didn't specifically say it was scummy, but said everything that indicated I thought so. I was looking for another response post from you to see what I could get from there. It eventually came, but it was far later and I didn't get to follow up because I was defending myself at the time. As marv mentioned I didn't say I super pressured you, just applied some to get something out of you.
-MKfuba I couldn't care less about what excuse he has for his shitty first post. He could literally post anything, it wouldn't do anything to change my mind or do anything at all. So I wanted him to scum hunt, to see if it was going to be genuine or just a forced sheep attempt. Don't have time to elaborate more on this/him atm.
- As I noted, in that post, I didn't really have a conclusion I was just bringing it up while it was in my mind, as it may be useful later, and I'm just gunna post what I see. I don't have an overarching masterplan I just post what I see when I see it.
- I voted based on the fact that my gut feeling on prplhz first post was scummy after I found his lie, and just the way it was worded. BH brought more supplemental evidence to show that prplhz meta matched. As the game wore on prplhz has been posting and has had scummy posts, since a majority of the early discussion was on him anyways, I was happy to read/respond/discuss what was going on in the thread so that day 1 wouldn't be a tunnel fest. I'm not going to harp on one player all game when I am already voting him. I think Ange summed up the more recent prplhz scummy posts, and as a whole the scumminess this game. I agree with what she said.
It seems like your just trying to make non-scummy things and force them to look scummy.
While I got your attention, why don't you answer this... How do you go from voting Prplhz, to saying I would like BL to be lynched to making a case on me within an hour.
On September 19 2012 22:41 austinmcc wrote: I have been absent. I am getting this vote into thread because the deadline is coming. I like it better than the other options that MIGHT be legitimate at this point, which seem to be ... just marv?
##Vote: prplhz
I think I'd much rather lynch bluelightz, unless there's been any action on that front, but I don't believe that's going to happen.
Its not just that you'd rather lynch bluelightz youd MUCH rather. Yet you don't even explain why you think he's scummy or attempt to convince anyone he is scum. Then you spend time making a case on me. What happened to BL, if you'd much rather lynch him why was there no case on him? This time-line makes no sense to me, it makes it seem like your just making up targets as you go, and you don't really care who gets lynched. On that note, where the fuck is bluelightz anyways, or perfection, or HiroPro.
Also, why do people keep saying they think prphlz is town without explaining it? All they say is, look big post, big post = cares, cares=town. It makes no sense. And the fact that several people have been doing it, is very strange. The way this prphlz lynch has been going down all day, makes me think he is scum for sure.
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On September 20 2012 01:06 Hapahauli wrote: ##Vote mementoss
I'll re-iterate what I said before. Mementoss voted for prplhz early in the game. He never once questioned prplhz, and hasn't mentioned him for well over 24 hours while having his vote on him. This makes no sense from a townie perspective.
As for prplhz, I have a townie read on him. Too many people are sheeping his case. Things are coming together too easily. Finally, I don't agree with Ange's case. Ange reads his posts as "useless fluff", and therefore he's scum. I read his posts completely differently, and see a townie who's being open with his suspicions.
For example, look how he voted marv, and explicitly stated he had reservations about it. That's not scum behavior. Voting for someone you don't believe is scum = scum behavior. Voting someone while expressing reservations is a cautious townie. What's the point of including that reservations line as scum? It's just as easy to sheep and tunnel marv without any reservations.
To me, his "reservations" say that he's open about his reads and mentality. I believe prplhz is town.
Please take a look at mementoss's filter. There's nothing townie about it. He seemingly forgot about his suspicions prplhz and has been trying to point fingers since. Like read his filter, he never has a definite scumread and has been fanning the flames of several cases made through the day; astinmcc, mkfuba, and most recently marv.
And by too many people are sheeping his case you mean he never reached majority so was never in danger of actually being lynched right?
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EBWOP: @ Hapa if you read my last post before my defence post, I mention that I still maintain that I think prphlz is scum and the way the lynch is going makes me think he is scum even more.
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Aight, Here and gonna form a case to complete why I'm voting prplhz. (Also ask questions if you guys want me to answer some / clear up some stuff)
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On September 20 2012 01:20 Mementoss wrote:While I got your attention, why don't you answer this... How do you go from voting Prplhz, to saying I would like BL to be lynched to making a case on me within an hour. Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 22:41 austinmcc wrote: I have been absent. I am getting this vote into thread because the deadline is coming. I like it better than the other options that MIGHT be legitimate at this point, which seem to be ... just marv?
##Vote: prplhz
I think I'd much rather lynch bluelightz, unless there's been any action on that front, but I don't believe that's going to happen. Its not just that you'd rather lynch bluelightz youd MUCH rather. Yet you don't even explain why you think he's scummy or attempt to convince anyone he is scum. Then you spend time making a case on me. What happened to BL, if you'd much rather lynch him why was there no case on him? This time-line makes no sense to me, it makes it seem like your just making up targets as you go, and you don't really care who gets lynched. On that note, where the fuck is bluelightz anyways, or perfection, or HiroPro. Also, why do people keep saying they think prphlz is town without explaining it? All they say is, look big post, big post = cares, cares=town. It makes no sense. And the fact that several people have been doing it, is very strange. The way this prphlz lynch has been going down all day, makes me think he is scum for sure. As to prplhz. He hasn't been particularly townie. A lot of my vote stems from...maybe bad reasoning, that Zephirdd brought up as well, concerning this game. prplhz gets called out D1, on not the exact same stuff but some similar activity concerns iirc, doesn't get lynched in part due to a cop claim, survives til endgame. I remembered that exact scenario, and it caused my to be ... a little jumpy in voting him? I'd prefer if that scenario doesn't play out again.
I wanted to lynch bluelightz at that point because (1) bluelightz had done very little that I remembered, (2) what bluelightz had done, as far as I could recall, was talk briefly about 2 or so people that I wasn't concerned with, then dip out. The case on bluelightz is "WHERE IS BLUELIGHTZ?" more so than "Here's bluelightz bein' scummy!"
But I did go look at bluelightz after making my stupid vote. I wanted to see if he'd done anything further. Nope. However, it got me looking at you, among other people. I'd still prefer a more active bluelightz. I'd still prefer to hear from him concerning people other than the few he's mentioned. But his inactivity gets trumped by your scumminess.
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On September 20 2012 01:22 Mementoss wrote: EBWOP: @ Hapa if you read my last post before my defence post, I mention that I still maintain that I think prphlz is scum and the way the lynch is going makes me think he is scum even more.
Where's this? You certainly haven't recently stated that you think prplhz is scum unless I'm missing something.
Also, you never perused your read on your top scumread until I pointed it out to you.
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