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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
Either way, Sufficiency was Dimmu, are your accusations against me some OMGUS or can you elaborate it more? Seems like Dimmu left everything behind what he wrote the past 48 hours and voted for Suff. Don't know how this are +points in your book Mav. On the other hand, he prevented a no-lynch. Wondered what happened if there was a stalemate next day. | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
So confused right now... | ||
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willz22912
United States255 Posts
Although DimmuKlok helped us continue the game with a successful lynch on a Mafia, he could have easily just bus'd his teammate (since he hasn't contributing anyway) to gain last second credibility for the final vote. Don't take this sudden cooperation blindly without looking for possible motives why. Blubbdavid made a post asking if he should switch to Dim or Sufficiency and we posted 20 minutes after that saying Sufficiency, but he never changed his mind. This could have potentially been a game-ender as with a no-lynch we would have lost a town for free this night and had insufficiency majority to keep going. He posted his reasoning, but still, risking a game loss because "I wasn't able to change my vote, neither did I want to do it" has to be suspicious at this point in the game. Maverick jumped onto Sufficiency with me even though I proposed an option to go after DimmuKlok immediately (using Blubbdavid's vote that he never changed) so we would still have had the 3 neccessary. He had the opportunity if he was Mafia to prosecute a potentially innocent town and win the game, so this clears him in my mind. And of course I know for myself I'm town, so that leaves DimmuKlok and Blubbdavid as my two likely suspects. However, I still think it's DimmuKlok and that he's the Mafia godfather because he has been too brazen with his posting for anything otherwise. Without fear from a DT check, he's pushed several cases on us without success and has had too many holes in his theories. Don't forget as well all of the town deaths have also benefited him in some way. Mementoss gave him credibility, Sbrubbles was one of his accusers and also defended me against his case, trackd00r was also in support of me and had suspicions against DimmuKlok. Out of the possible 3 Mafia, we've killed two goons, which means either it's only 3 goons, or there has been a godfather in play all along, and the only person thats left that fits the bill is DimmuKlok. I'm fairly confident of my read on DimmuKlok being Mafia, but even if you are truly town DimmuKlok, you've lost all credibility because you've attacked all 3 of us now in some way with little to no evidence. If you didn't point fingers so wildly, we might have been more sympathetic to your posts, but not anymore. Your actions aren't the actions of a "town who's solved the puzzle", your actions are of a Mafia trying to find some desperate way to stay alive. My fingers on you and I hope the town votes you next day. ##FOS: DimmuKlok with vote to follow if I don't get killed off. | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
That's the way to bus your comrade. | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
As for the kill in the night.. that will also be extremely interesting.... | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
My guess is blubb is the remaining mafia, based on what happened at the lynch. He kept his vote on me. If you guys would have switched, I would have came up green, and town would lose. I went with the one chance we had, me being wrong and Suff being mafia. Honestly, if I'm still considered mafia, then I don't know what I can say to prove anything to you guys. Putting all your effort into proving I'm the remaining mafia will be a waste of your time. You should use me being a confirmed town as information, if you're willing to take that leap of faith. I'll be doing some of my own detective work. | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
Like I said, busy day at work, but when I get home I'll make a post before the night ends in case I get killed, kind of outlining my remaining thoughts... I'll try to get a list together of what I think specific people deaths during this last night could represent and point out who I think is most suspicious! As for what would of happened if Dim didn't change his vote... we would of lost the game... Even if Dim was trying to bus his teammate, that is so risky when he literally could of WON. Right then and there. He could of stuck to a story of ME busing my own team mate, and using that as leverage to try to kill me and win the game... Another thing that is important for those of you looking through the filters... don't forget that some of the players are replacement players... so perhaps we could look at the things they said previously that could indicate an alignment now that we know the full story? Generally speaking- I want to point out that it appears Myself, Dim and Willz are the most 'active' of the remainders... Blubb- looking at you to try to put some stuff together here.... | ||
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
I am the Detective. Let’s continue with a short Q&A session: Q: Why did you claim so late? A: I didn’t have a reason till now. Q: So why are you NOW claiming, during night, is it some kind of knee-jerk reaction? A: Now there isn’t a big chance for me of getting killed, despite claiming. Why? Because this is the last round, I can use my ability only one last time. But I have already made up my mind about the situation. That’s why I want to share with you something, before I risk being killed. Q: Let’s check some facts, who did you investigate all the time? A: Well, in the first night there didn’t happen much because my beloved predecessor Beorn actually didn’t use his ability. Talk about bad luck. In the second night, I investigated, guess who, gunman. It was because of his hyperaggressive post against rainmaker in that night. Needlessly to say, I successfully initiated the lynch on gunman the next day. In the next night, I investigated the other guy I suspected, Dimmu. Well, and here was where I came into trouble: He returned as town to me. Now I had no one to suspect, except for Sufficiency. Q: Cool story bro A: I wasn’t thoroughly convinced that Dimmu was town. There was still the possibility of him being godfather. But I needed evidence. That’s why I waited with my claim during the last day. First, I wanted to challenge and observe Dimmu by leaving my vote on him. Second, I wanted to see what role Suff had. Now that I know that Suff is a normal goon, and gunman too, there is a high possibility of a Godfather left. Who could be very well Dimmu. That was the secret I wanted to share with you guys. Q: You don’t see willz and Mav as scum? A: Nope. I am pretty sure that they are town. Q: Why didn’t you investigate Suff the whole game through? A: Bitch, when there are so interesting targets like gunman and Dimmu, then why should I investigate Suff. Regardless, I really thought for a long time that Suff was a bad townie. Q: And if you are scum and this is all a trap? A: Don’t be silly. And that’s it guys, FOS DimmuKlok, in case I die this night. And here something interactive for all the guys who follow this game: Poll: Is blubbdavid really DT? I wet my bed at night (3) Yes (0) 3 total votes Your vote: Is blubbdavid really DT? | ||
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
Here is my read: @Gunman- I don't really like to do this kind of 'read' in general since I don't think it carries much weight, but I figured I may as well point it out.. Look at his beginning posts... This is WHO he is responding to... 1st: Dim- 2nd: sufficiency 3rd: Sufficiency 4th: No One 5th: Dim 6th: No one 7th: Targets one confirmed townie and Willz former life. 8th: Quotes Pablols, targets Willz and confirmed townie. Trails off here, but I just think I wanted to point that out... Bringing up Willz's character so early on and trying to make him a target could clear Willz as mafia...? He also defends me and stats I'm town (I don't want to leave this out so you guys will jump on me for it) but I think that was more of a move to establish credibility... @Sufficiency- Much less to be read in his posts.. Its difficult because he is so short with everyone that it doesn't give you any information... To be honest, my decision rests between Blubb and Dim.. both of them have very convincing stories/actions that make this extremely difficult to decide between.. Willz- if you are mafia.. congratulations.. you did an awesome job... I would be voting for Dim without a doubt if it wasn't for those most recent voting antics.. unless this really was a plan to just fool us.. I truly don't know... | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
Blubbs- you brought up DT a LOT.. which makes me think you're saying the right thing... Willz- you targeted the mafia and stuck with it... Dim- You're latest actions were great, but I can't help to think you may of just made a mistake and tried to get into the last round? | ||
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willz22912
United States255 Posts
Sufficiency was getting modkilled or lynched, he was gone one way or another. This is getting lucky for town, that Sufficiency was so inactive that he gets modkilled, but it was still going to let the game continue. Therefore DimmuKlok saving us for extra credibility is the only plausible explanation left. He could not have won by forcing a no-lynch if Sufficiency is modkilled anyway. I repeat, HE COULD NOT HAVE WON from not voting, so that claim is a last ditch effort to buy credibility. Even now he's being super arrogant in his behavior saying that he shouldn't be considered a suspect. Really dude? You made a giant post calling out Maverick and said you were "100% confident in your read." Then you said the two Mafia teammates left were me and Maverick, which now couldn't possible be true since I checked that during the vote. If i was Mafia and I made that post saying Sufficiency was likely to get modkilled and wanted to lynch an innocent town, I would have called for it and pushed your death DimmuKlok, same with Maverick. That clears both of us if we were Mafia, since we both had a way to "win the game" just like you did, except ours was 100% and yours was entirely dependent on if Sufficiency was afk. Honestly, I've made the posts against you DimmuKlok in my filter, you have now accused ALL of us in some way, is that somehow supposed to make us like you more as town? I've said it before, Mafia is a team game, and your behavior while possibly townlike is very very arrogant and makes us not like you. So if you were town all along, sorry but you gave us no choice. The last suspect left is Blubbdavid and he also warrants suspicion. The last thing DimmuKlok should have tried was claiming DT as well, to cause a he said/she said split and make us vote for who is more believable. In that situation though, I think he knows that he's on everyones suspect list and that claim wouldn't fly. So I'm inclined to believe Blubbdavid's claim that he is the real DT, but I have to point out as well that this is poor timing. He already had enough credibility with town and we were already pushing for his target DimmuKlok. There is no need in this case to actually make the claim. He actually removes himself as a target because if he gets killed tonight then we are completely on DimmuKlok, but if he really is a Mafia this is the perfect way to explain not being a target and reinforce our DimmuKlok lynch. It is highly plausible that Blubbdavid is the real Mafia, and that he wins the game with our mis-lynch on DimmuKlok. If he does, then it's very well played by him. But the overall history of this game to me has been DimmuKlok's behavior towards everyone else. It's going to be either Maverick or I who gets killed this night, and I think it'll be me just cause DimmuKlok likes me less  Any other person getting killed would leave only one plausible suspect left and be a terrible decision. In any case, ggs it was fun but time consuming, but I think I would have enjoyed this a lot more had I been in from the start instead of as a replacement. | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
I say whoever is mafia should just kill me off tonight and make things interesting. | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPyusIdkKWs&feature=related Day Five Maverick32x was placed under one of Rita's spell! (I allowed her to come back to life for the purpose of this day post). However, by thinking positive she was able to overcome her fear of heights. She then tripped and fell to her death. Maverick32x the yellow ranger (vanilla townie) has been killed. 48 hours remain in the day. Good luck! | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
GG guys, looking forward to post-game discussions~ | ||
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willz22912
United States255 Posts
I know for myself I'm vanilla but wasn't sure of Mavericks role, now that he is vanilla town, then the only town role besides my vanilla is either a DT or a vigilante left, which Blubb has claimed. However, there is the case that DT wasn't even present in this game since vigilante wasn't present, we also had a miller/medic already as well. The rules state that not all roles are present, so this is really annoying now. So we have 3 options: Option 1: If your theory is correct DimmuKlok, then I would have to be the Mafia this whole time if Blubb is DT and you are vanilla townie. I think my actions to this date have given my alignment to be town, but even if this wasn't enough for you I refer you to this: On March 14 2012 09:28 willz22912 wrote: I'm fairly sure that Maverick would have went along with my vote if I decided to push you DimmuKlok, in fact he even posted so. So I had the opportunity to win if I were Mafia, Maverick has flipped green, so why didn't I do it?If i was Mafia and I made that post saying Sufficiency was likely to get modkilled and wanted to lynch an innocent town, I would have called for it and pushed your death DimmuKlok, same with Maverick. That clears both of us if we were Mafia, since we both had a way to "win the game" just like you did, except ours was 100% and yours was entirely dependent on if Sufficiency was afk. Option 2: Blubbdavid is the Mafia, DimmuKlok isn't lying about being a vanilla town, and we have no DT at all. This option is a valid possibility to me and I weigh it's likelyhood at around 33%. Option 3: DimmuKlok is the Mafia godfather, Blubb is really the DT and that is why DimmuKlok returned as vanilla town in the check. The more probable possibility to me at 66%. We have 48 hours, so I'll try and find some time to look through the filters and really dig down. But for now, I propose myself as bait: I'm going to change my vote at the last hour of the deadline, but there is still a possibility that both of you decide to continue it and lynch me anyway. If you really think I'm Mafia, go ahead, but your decision here will have a great impact on what I decide. ##Vote: Willz22912 | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
I have to go through both of your filters again. | ||
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