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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
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willz22912
United States255 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On March 14 2012 11:56 willz22912 wrote: Alright, final vote time. I know for myself I'm vanilla but wasn't sure of Mavericks role, now that he is vanilla town, then the only town role besides my vanilla is either a DT or a vigilante left, which Blubb has claimed. However, there is the case that DT wasn't even present in this game since vigilante wasn't present, we also had a miller/medic already as well. The rules state that not all roles are present, so this is really annoying now. So we have 3 options: Option 1: If your theory is correct DimmuKlok, then I would have to be the Mafia this whole time if Blubb is DT and you are vanilla townie. I think my actions to this date have given my alignment to be town, but even if this wasn't enough for you I refer you to this: I'm fairly sure that Maverick would have went along with my vote if I decided to push you DimmuKlok, in fact he even posted so. So I had the opportunity to win if I were Mafia, Maverick has flipped green, so why didn't I do it? Option 2: Blubbdavid is the Mafia, DimmuKlok isn't lying about being a vanilla town, and we have no DT at all. This option is a valid possibility to me and I weigh it's likelyhood at around 33%. Option 3: DimmuKlok is the Mafia godfather, Blubb is really the DT and that is why DimmuKlok returned as vanilla town in the check. The more probable possibility to me at 66%. We have 48 hours, so I'll try and find some time to look through the filters and really dig down. But for now, I propose myself as bait: I'm going to change my vote at the last hour of the deadline, but there is still a possibility that both of you decide to continue it and lynch me anyway. If you really think I'm Mafia, go ahead, but your decision here will have a great impact on what I decide. ##Vote: Willz22912 Can either of you see the glaring flaw in my last post that should have been called out immediately? I was hoping one of you would and it would sway my opinion but none of you have. Please comment on this suspicious behavior! | ||
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
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willz22912
United States255 Posts
The situation seems to be a 1-1 split between Blubb and DimmuKlok, with me as the swing vote, I was hoping to create a situation where I wouldn't have to be swing vote and was a valid target, but I don't think either of you think I'm Mafia right? Oh well, sorry for the confusion, we still have 27 hours so I'm still making my final decision. This is pretty stressful for a newbie in his first Mafia game ever ;p | ||
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
Pro Town: -Active poster -Sharp poster -Somewhat consistent Anti Town: -Questionable affair about Oto -Constantly apologizes about being a newb. Dimmu: Pro Town: -Active poster -Mistrust everyone, calls out -Helpful vote action last day Anti Town: -Fluffy posts -Is changing his suspicions everyday -Suffers from OMGUS syndrome -Questionable affair with Sufficiency I think you both know who I am suspecting more, and who I want to lynch. Now it looks like I have to spend the rest of the day convincing willz why it is a good idea to lynch Dimmu. Well, I think that staying on your suspicions we had since early will help us win the game. I don't think that the town will gain anything with risk by lynching me. Will obviously try to post more on why I think that Dimmu is scum, till then I will leave my vote on him (again). Or should I try to convince (both of) you that I am really town and DT? Oh, and in unlikely case that willz is the scum, I will leave a pre-emptive "wp" here. | ||
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
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willz22912
United States255 Posts
You came into this thread very strong with your analysis of our top suspects at the time, OtoshimonoU and Sufficiency. You chose to view OtoshimonoU as the more suspicious person at that time. As stated you bring up DT and PR's the most, showing you are more experienced than most in a newbie game. If you were an experienced town, wouldn't you want to assert your experience and try and drive inexperienced townies towards the right lynches (this inexperience being me and Mav who are both first time Mafia players on TL) You are being way too passive in trying to convince me against DimmuKlok, why should my opinion be as important as yours if you are the more experienced player? Regarding your claim as DT, your DT claims are consistent with your behavior, however I'd like to point out you never made a serious case against gunman in the open. Yes you could have had inside information based on your DT check, but you never elaborated on that, you only stayed on gunman because he made attacks on Rain who flipped green. When I made my counter-case against DimmuKlok at the same time you said you were going to stay on gunman but no elaboration on why except for "his fast push on Rainmaker seems suspicious" Do you have any response for this behavior except for "I did a check on him and that's why I knew he was Mafia?" Because yes, you personally could have known but if you didnt get enough people on the gunman vote then we would have lost this game since it was in ly-lo situation already. You also have just written your views on me and DimmuKlok, and you say that his "Mistrust everyone, calls out" is a pro-town move. It may be pro-town for him personally, but he's never going to be able to gain any credibility when he has been consistently wrong. In that case, this is actually bad for him personally because it makes him such a good target in a situation like this where either of you are the real Mafia, and a 3rd person has to be the one to weigh in and choose. You have ~4.5 hours to explain this behavior, hope you're around. | ||
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willz22912
United States255 Posts
I forgot to mention the part where you potentially screwed town over by not changing your vote from DimmuKlok to Sufficiency when you specifically asked which person we were going after, and we responded 20 minutes later. Why ask at all if you're going to disregard anything we're going to say? If DimmuKlok didn't switch, and Sufficiency actually came back in time to not get modkilled, that would have been game for town. Pretty inexcusable behavior. Adding on to that, that also throws your DT claim into question. There was really no need to throw in the DT claim at night when you knew you were not likely to be killed, it's verging on misinformation. The two main suspects that me and Maverick were debating between were you and DimmuKlok. If you were killed off during the night, the only suspect left would be the obvious one in DimmuKlok. Conversely DimmuKlok also would not have been killed off because then we would have focused on Blubbdavid, so neither of you dying was the only valid strategy a Mafia would have. | ||
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willz22912
United States255 Posts
Of the two of you, DimmuKlok has made numerous wrong calls on many people not including Otoshimono, Sufficiency, Maverick, and myself. While it is okay to be suspicious of everyone in the beginning until you can feel out who is really town, this constant claiming of Mafia has only been to his detriment, and hiding behind his godfather ability to return as green is the only good explanation. At least you Blubbdavid have been consistent about who you suspect, and your DT claim is believable, and you have been by far the better town player of the two of you. If you have been Mafia the whole time Blubbdavid, then gg wp. ##Vote: DimmuKlok. | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
I was blinded by my case on Mav. I was so sure I had gotten it right, I had to rethink things after he came up town. The reason I brought it up when I did was because I truly thought the Suff lynch would cost us the game, and had to speak up. I realize my posting style has made me the most suspicious target. As vanilla, my reads are the only things I can go on. I'm also not very important for the same reasons. I was trying to get as much information out there, as well as my reads out before I got killed off. I guess I always figured you didn't have to worry about looking suspicious as long as you really are innocent. I can see now that's not always the case. I'd love to do a detailed case on why Willz is mafia, and why I'm not. Problem is it's very hard from my point of view. I've dug myself this hole, and he's successfully went undetected until now. He played mafia how it should be played, and I didn't. Blubb looks innocent to me, so Willz got my vote. I'm sorry for my terrible play. | ||
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
To the gunman lynch: Yes, maybe I should have elaborated more, but seeing that there was a big bandwagon forming, I didn't see any reason to write more on him, it only could have caught attention from scum. To the DT claim: Why not? It was the last night, and I thought it would make it pretty sure that I am town, so town would win 100%. To the Suff lynch: I admit, I screwed up there and shouldn't have gone risky... Well, I guess it's ok now... And it was fun to play the game with you guys, I hope we can play together again someday. And don't worry Dimmu, noone hates you (though you are mafia). I may actually stay up till the deadline... | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Endgame It was time for the final showdown between DimmuKlok and willz22912. Lord Zed had infultrated the town and his identity remained a mystery. blubbdavid was left to decide the fate of the town and the Power Rangers. After a day of debate, blubbdavid had come to a decision. DimmuKlok would hang to avenge the deaths of the fallen Rangers. + Show Spoiler + But something was horribly wrong. An evil laughter was heard from the background. Before anyone could react, DimmuKlok the Blue Ranger (vanilla townia) had been lynched. Lord Zed approached the remaining Ranger. "You shall serve me for eternity", he announced. With one wave of his staff, willz22912 the Gold Ranger (vanilla townie) was turned into a serpent. The Power Rangers were finally defeated. blubbdavid the Lord Zed (mafia goon) is victorious. Mafia wins! scum quicktopic: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/PagUkBARGMMtF obs quicktopic: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/HGXRaMkVgtx6A Thanks to everyone for playing. Those who put in the required amount of time and effort are definitely appreciated. Special thanks to the replacements. Also, thanks to EchelonTee for co-hosting. I couldn't have done this without you and all your hard work. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
Though I'm not going to lie.. that last couple posts by you Blubb really made me second guess what you had written... be glad you killed me that last night :b As for Dim- I'm SO SORRY!!!! !!!!! !! !! ! ! ! ! @ Willz- I knew you were townie :D I have a general question- why in the world did everyone trust me so much?! I'll be honest- halfway through I was really wishing I was mafia.... | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
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willz22912
United States255 Posts
Oh well, was a fun learning experience, gl to those of you in the aperture science game as well, do us newbies proud~ | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Seriously, out of the 5 newbie games played here, only 1 of them had a town victory | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5260 Posts
On March 16 2012 11:44 gonzaw wrote: Another Newbie game where scum wins >_> Seriously, out of the 5 newbie games played here, only 1 of them had a town victory this one was so close though  even with the modkills for inactivity.good play from trackd00r. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5260 Posts
On March 16 2012 11:36 Sbrubbles wrote: Putting in a miller when there is no DT is dirty, though, kitaman. I was in a game with 2 millers, and a framer, yet no DT lmao | ||
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