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Ghost's response to sloosh's case on VE.
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Point 1) I totally agree with sloosh's point here. VE's idea that a JK would work against a claimed vig is just stupid, and one of the first things he said that made me think that he was scum.
Point 2) I thought his scumslip argument was stupid. Said that already.
Point 3) Yeah, I agree with that. VE avoided discussing most of his counterarguments.
Point 4) I agree with this.
Well, I'm sold. I'm happy with a VE lynch. VE today, Sentinel tomorrow?
BONUS: Hey! Sentinel decided to join us!
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On April 22 2012 10:00 Ottoxlol wrote:
slOosh defending me made him the number one of my suspects.
GFs dont have kp, only Goons have. You haven't read the rules or the thread
Is there not a QT or some way for GF's to contact goons? That wasn't mentioned in OP. Because the standard way of going about it is that they all discuss who to kill. Goons have the final say, but vigs can still be suggested. Your argument is moot.
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On April 22 2012 09:50 ghost_403 wrote:BIG POAST TIEM
or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Decided to Lynch Sentinel
3 posts really doesn't give you much to go on. + Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 11:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Just wondering, what's the chance gonzaw's not mafia but just making an extremely retarded point?
At any rate, what I don't get is number 6. If I was GF pretending to be vig, I'd shoot as many of the other vigs as I could. And if I was JK, I'd protect those vigs who I trust to be either town vigs or some other blues. I don't like this post. It reading this post out of context implies that everyone has already come to the conclusion that gonzaw is mafia, when that isn't at all what's happening in the thread. Up to this point, VE is the only person who's pushed this idea at all. IMO, this is him hedging his bets. I can see him allowing a gonzaw lynch, gonzaw flips green, and him saying "Called it! I'm townie!"
No, this is called "Disregard bandwagon, acquire opinions." I wanted my question answered, and thus I asked the question. Also I have a penchant for making acidic posts like that one. If you don't like it, I'm doing my job right.
In addition, this is not how you discuss another posters post. Just saying "I don't agree" is not the least bit helpful to the town. Show nested quote +
You actually came closer in your sentiments to "I don't agree" than I did. I addressed one of his things and showed why I don't agree with it as if I were scum.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2012 01:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm starting to think all of you people purposely post when I sleep
Let's do it like this - everyone just do whatever the fuck they want as long as it's beneficial in some way to town. If it's not beneficial in some way to town, then lynch them. If there's one thing I know, it's that voting/lynching/etc. plans always benefit mafia because they can pull them to their advantage (and also you get lynched when your plan especially sucks).
Keeping in mind with this train of thought, I will proceed to do whatever the fuck I want as long as it's beneficial in some way to town. When I get back, I'll read filters and try and put more on the table. "Hey guys, let's not work together at all!" Towns have to work together. Instead, he's encouraging anarchy, and giving himself a pass to do it.
Yes. I have a vote, and thus I must decide how to use that vote well. I'd rather have anarchy than offering up precious resources (vigilantes) onto the sacrificial table to find who's godfather and who isn't. Invisible Hand Principle - when people act in their self-interest, as long as they're not stupid about it, it benefits others as well. Individual ambition benefits society, or in this case the town.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2012 01:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 01:42 layabout wrote:How are you feeling VE? Any thoughts on marvellosity paqman or mattchew? we need Risen to rise and get posting we need ghost 403 to de-cloak we need St.Daniel to grace us with his presence we need Janaan to get out of bed we need slOosh to stop fapping to Beethoven *we need BroodkingEXE to execute som scum for us we need Bill Murray to get his head in the game we need Zephirrd to tell you guys to stop posting shit we need layabout to stop with the puns lead us to victory Shit, should've stayed AFK. I wanted a pun too  Worthless post, and it was posted 15 minutes after layabout's original post. I'm pretty sure Ver said something about lurkers posting exactly this way in his guide. Clearly, he's here. Clearly he's not doing anything. Show nested quote +
Has it ever occurred to you I'm doing homework and I'm refreshing this infrequently to check out how the thread's going and/or defend my life like I'm doing right now?
At this point, Sentinel has had plenty of time to contribute something, anything, to this town, and he has not. I believe that this is not because he is busy, but because he's scum. tl;dr - vote sentinel.
Then you are not familiar with Sentinel. He always plays like this.
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My last post - reverse quoted something. In the nested quote it should be unquoted and should read this:
"Has it ever occurred to you I'm doing homework and I'm refreshing this infrequently to check out how the thread's going and/or defend my life like I'm doing right now?"
Sorry for inconvenience 
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You stated GFs have KP, they dont. Goons have. So if GF fakeclaim vig and we track him. We talked about 10 pages about this issue and you have no idea.
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yo sentinel
On April 15 2012 04:29 iGrok wrote:
PMs
PMs are not allowed in this game.
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Oh. Yeah. Got a little carried away in my vitriol. Replace "GF" with "mafia" and my point still stands.
Also the fact that this thread updates like 5 pages when I'm asleep doesn't help.
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On April 22 2012 10:08 johnnywup wrote:yo sentinel
QT =/= PM.
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On April 22 2012 09:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 08:50 johnnywup wrote:
Make it better? I think the case was bad and I didn't have enough evidence to make it a good case. So get off me. I don't care what it makes me look like. If I have a bad case and I post it and people recognize that it's bad then that's worse. I'm being perfectly transparent that my case was bad. I don't have to post anything for you. Hell, I'll give you some points for honesty, but could you at least PM me the case? I'd like to know my charges. Let's see why Otto doesn't like me:
no, PMs=PMs.
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@sentinel
On April 22 2012 10:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 09:50 ghost_403 wrote:BIG POAST TIEM
or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Decided to Lynch Sentinel
3 posts really doesn't give you much to go on. + Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 11:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Just wondering, what's the chance gonzaw's not mafia but just making an extremely retarded point?
At any rate, what I don't get is number 6. If I was GF pretending to be vig, I'd shoot as many of the other vigs as I could. And if I was JK, I'd protect those vigs who I trust to be either town vigs or some other blues. I don't like this post. It reading this post out of context implies that everyone has already come to the conclusion that gonzaw is mafia, when that isn't at all what's happening in the thread. Up to this point, VE is the only person who's pushed this idea at all. IMO, this is him hedging his bets. I can see him allowing a gonzaw lynch, gonzaw flips green, and him saying "Called it! I'm townie!" No, this is called "Disregard bandwagon, acquire opinions." I wanted my question answered, and thus I asked the question. Also I have a penchant for making acidic posts like that one. If you don't like it, I'm doing my job right.
My problem is there wasn't a bandwagon. You make it sound like the entire town has gonzaw up on the gallows, when really it's just VE standing in the center of the town screaming that gonzaw is scum.
Also, that wasn't a question. This is you making a statement, trying to look like you're contributing. Tell me, did you get your quesiton answered?
Show nested quote +In addition, this is not how you discuss another posters post. Just saying "I don't agree" is not the least bit helpful to the town.
You actually came closer in your sentiments to "I don't agree" than I did. I addressed one of his things and showed why I don't agree with it as if I were scum.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2012 01:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm starting to think all of you people purposely post when I sleep
Let's do it like this - everyone just do whatever the fuck they want as long as it's beneficial in some way to town. If it's not beneficial in some way to town, then lynch them. If there's one thing I know, it's that voting/lynching/etc. plans always benefit mafia because they can pull them to their advantage (and also you get lynched when your plan especially sucks).
Keeping in mind with this train of thought, I will proceed to do whatever the fuck I want as long as it's beneficial in some way to town. When I get back, I'll read filters and try and put more on the table. "Hey guys, let's not work together at all!" Towns have to work together. Instead, he's encouraging anarchy, and giving himself a pass to do it. Yes. I have a vote, and thus I must decide how to use that vote well. I'd rather have anarchy than offering up precious resources (vigilantes) onto the sacrificial table to find who's godfather and who isn't. Invisible Hand Principle - when people act in their self-interest, as long as they're not stupid about it, it benefits others as well. Individual ambition benefits society, or in this case the town.
Just no. Towns work together or they lose.
Show nested quote ++ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2012 01:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 01:42 layabout wrote:How are you feeling VE? Any thoughts on marvellosity paqman or mattchew? we need Risen to rise and get posting we need ghost 403 to de-cloak we need St.Daniel to grace us with his presence we need Janaan to get out of bed we need slOosh to stop fapping to Beethoven *we need BroodkingEXE to execute som scum for us we need Bill Murray to get his head in the game we need Zephirrd to tell you guys to stop posting shit we need layabout to stop with the puns lead us to victory Shit, should've stayed AFK. I wanted a pun too Worthless post, and it was posted 15 minutes after layabout's original post. I'm pretty sure Ver said something about lurkers posting exactly this way in his guide. Clearly, he's here. Clearly he's not doing anything.
Has it ever occurred to you I'm doing homework and I'm refreshing this infrequently to check out how the thread's going and/or defend my life like I'm doing right now?
At this point, Sentinel has had plenty of time to contribute something, anything, to this town, and he has not. I believe that this is not because he is busy, but because he's scum. tl;dr - vote sentinel. Then you are not familiar with Sentinel. He always plays like this.
"It's my meta" is not a good counter to "I think you're useless." Stop being useless and find me some scum.
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On April 22 2012 10:10 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 09:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On April 22 2012 08:50 johnnywup wrote:
Make it better? I think the case was bad and I didn't have enough evidence to make it a good case. So get off me. I don't care what it makes me look like. If I have a bad case and I post it and people recognize that it's bad then that's worse. I'm being perfectly transparent that my case was bad. I don't have to post anything for you. Hell, I'll give you some points for honesty, but could you at least PM me the case? I'd like to know my charges. Let's see why Otto doesn't like me: no, PMs=PMs.
Oh. Shit. Ok you got me there. Scratch the case, I think either I already covered your potential points or someone else has already posted them. Proof that this isn't a scumslip - I didn't read OP before game started either. Check filter, it's like the second post there.
Anything else I did idiotically?
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Okay people, I'm going out so hopefully you guys start posting your thoughts about VE, and about Daniel as well (don't let him fly under the radar).
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Sentinel, you did not post your thoughts about VE, marv, St D. It would be well advised if you help us hunt for scum. Thats what townies do
(i think they had the best cases against them, personally i think marv is not a scum)
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Trimming down this thing for EZ posting.
On April 22 2012 10:12 ghost_403 wrote:
@sentinel
My problem is there wasn't a bandwagon. You make it sound like the entire town has gonzaw up on the gallows, when really it's just VE standing in the center of the town screaming that gonzaw is scum.
You quoted Ver, so I'll quote Incognito.
Small but vocal groups can be influential to turning lynches around.
Or in this case, lynching in the first place.
Also, that wasn't a question. This is you making a statement, trying to look like you're contributing. Tell me, did you get your quesiton answered?
I could make some scathing remark about grammar, but it's time to tone down the acidity, it's not good for my health. Yes, I did get my question answered reasonably. Does this answer your question?
Just no. Towns work together or they lose.
There's a difference between working together and sacrificing suspicious townies.
"It's my meta" is not a good counter to "I think you're useless." Stop being useless and find me some scum.
Hey didn't I make a comment about this earlier?
Strike three because another chunk, maybe 50%, can be summarized with "Shut the hell up and help me find scum." This to me looks more threatening than old Viscera did.
Oh. Yeah. There it is.
So now what I'm going to do is take a trip to the toilet and go calm down, and then I'll probably start with marv and work from there.
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Take me off the replacement list, I'm going to be busy.
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Hey paqman, if I talk about other people, will that be just directing the discussion away from myself?
do you actually think before you post? You have tried to call me out for not taking a stance, yet in this game I immediately took a stance on something I cared about, finding scum.
On April 22 2012 07:33 PaqMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 02:31 Mattchew wrote:
I don't think Gonzaw's plan is scummy, however I don't agree with scum being forced into acting the way he thinks they will.
Then what do you agree on? You're doing exactly what you accused me of, the "middle of the road opinion".
This is where I read you saying that I couldn't disagree with gonzaws plan and not call him scummy.
Its really simple, I don't care about his plan, I care about his alignment.
and just because you gave the excuse of me being scummy (with literally no support) doesn't mean I don't think you are tunneling me because I made a case on you. It happens to me like every fucking game that im town and its always jubjubs (most of the time scum jubjubs).
Stop being annoying and help us (including you! cause I honestly think you are annoyed with BH which IMO is a townie trait) find actual scum, like St. Daniel
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Marv, not counting his first 5-10 posts, hasn't actually done anything worth the lynch. I mean, if he was on the guillotine and I had to give ONE reason to lynch him, it would be fluffing. But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because it pales in comparison to:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 20:13 BlazingJitsu wrote:Marvellosity. Let me talk to you. No correction let me talk AT you. what are you doing this game? Let's look at your filter+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 09:05 marvellosity wrote:Mattchew, I thought we were gonna have a long, happy, and romp-filled relationship, then you make me click on multiple spoilers. On April 21 2012 10:23 marvellosity wrote:
I've tried to think of a bunch of different scenarios and I've not yet managed to picture one where mafia couldn't claim the same situation. The only way a vigi really clears himself is by shooting scum :/ On April 21 2012 10:33 marvellosity wrote:
Holy gonzaw post. Nice ^--- These posts are short and worthless. Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 10:04 marvellosity wrote:On April 21 2012 09:58 Mementoss wrote:
I agree with johnnywup I dont think this is productive or the time to talk about this hypothetical stuff. For all we know there is no vigs or trackers. Ya never know, could be 3 jailkeepers. You can't assume which roles are in the game. What? The vigilante-godfather-miller-weirdthing is the only strange mechanic in the game. Before things get properly rolling is absolutely the right time to talk about its implications. ^--- this post is actually correct, but interestingly, despite the fact that it's the right time to talk about the game mechanics... you never talk about the game mechanics. You ask some unhelpful questions and echo worthless obvious shit other people have said, but otherwise you're deadweight. Where's your contributions, Marv? Where's the discussion that it is "absolute the right time" to talk about? or do you only have inane questions? Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 10:29 marvellosity wrote:On April 21 2012 10:25 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 21 2012 10:23 marvellosity wrote:
I've tried to think of a bunch of different scenarios and I've not yet managed to picture one where mafia couldn't claim the same situation. The only way a vigi really clears himself is by shooting scum :/ Actually, a vigi only really clears himself by shooting a GOON. Hitting a GF will result in WIFOM about what happened to his shot (GFs are night-kill immune). Right, so scum could claim their shot was blocked on some random townie and WIFOM it up. Gotcha. So, are there in fact any GOOD circumstances to make a vig shot? ^=== HOLY SHIT this question is bad. holy shit. Of course there's good circumstances to make a vig shot! SHOOT A SCUM GUY. Christ. Even if you shoot a godfather, at least that's a data point (not quite a DT check's worth, because it might hasve been roleblock), and if you shoot a goon, hey, you shot a goon. Are you TRYING to be as unhelpful as possible? Are you TRYING to actively inhibit our blue roles? Surely if so it's through neither quality of prose nor persistence in communicating the ideas contained therein with your miniscule cumuluative post length. Typically this is where I say "you can do better, marv" but really, ANYONE could do better. You're shitting on the town and trying to build up a post count without saying ANYTHING. You're lurking in plain sight. ##vote: marvellosity.
-Blazinghand
Especially the part about a good time to make a vig shot. First off, the tone of BH's post is like sulfuric acid to my lemon juice. I've never, ever, seen him post like that before. Second, BH should have more of a problem with VE. Marv asked a stupid question? Big fucking whoop. We've all done it at one point or another, it's not a death sentence.
Are you TRYING to be as unhelpful as possible? Are you TRYING to actively inhibit our blue roles? Surely if so it's through neither quality of prose nor persistence in communicating the ideas contained therein with your miniscule cumuluative post length.
Unwarranted, this is.
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Visceraeyes is still looking scummy too. he needs to start making sense of his nonsense case or I will vote him to be lynched.
Gonzaw you've given a list of like 5 to lynch today, 2 of which I agree with VE and St Daniel, 1 of which I haven't read enough into (sent, I'm still on my phone and he's been posting a lot) and 2 which I dont agree with (myself, duh, and risen, cause of meta). You asked people to look into paqman's case on me which revolves around me not talking about your plan in the thread and then he calls me actively lurking less than like 24 hours into the game. do you actualy believe this crap?
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Um... St. Daniel has one post? How are we supposed to analyze this?
On April 22 2012 04:02 St.Daniel wrote:
It's so fucking hard to keep up with everything when you are at a camp with a crappy internet connection XD
I've read everything and I can't conclude anything with a confident, but I do have some ideas based on my observation so far. I'll post again as soon as I put some of pieces together.
And there is no need to be hostile at each this early in game, because thst's EXACTLY what they (scum) want. As long as we keep expressing ideas without trying to bite each other's head off. Remember, keep it simple and clear. <3 TL.
This is fluff. All of it. He posted seven hours ago, and I'm feeling a little generous so I'll wait till he posts again before making final judgment. But definitely flashing red to me.
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EBWOP:
On April 21 2012 23:17 BroodKingEXE wrote:
/confirm
Ok, here is my thought on the matter. Revealing the vig roles is a bad idea in my mind. This is because of the possible hits of vig's. We don't know how exciting this game is going to be; we very well could have bored townies due to the size of the game. If we have vig's having to aim at lurkers, as a town we gain no info as the vig could have made an honest mistake. Also what if the mafia choose to circumvent the situation and not fake-claim. The Mafia kills before the Millers we would have wasted our two shots. There is really no way for a vig to get a shot off and figure out the alignment of the player in question unless we target them on the lynch.
Brood has one post too (at least one with any substance). This is a little better than St. Dan because it actually talks about vig mechanics. But I don't see how that creates such a disparity that we barely talk about Brood but cast suspicion on St. Dan.
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