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thats gotta be the stupidest claim ever
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On April 22 2012 13:37 johnnywup wrote:
paqman thats scummy of you. You spend all day saying why mattchew is scum and then you sheep him (note: i know its not completely sheeping). BM is definitely scummy but you spend all day saying why mattchew is scummy...why didn't you vote for him? ffs
And it's blatantly idiotic of you to not vote for a dude who's been lurking the entire game and suddenly makes an unannounced vote without no explanation whatsoever.
Have you not read my posts? I voted for Matt the second I started to think he's scummy.
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Okay johhny boy, tell me why you wouldn't vote for BM?
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lol (do i get to say told you so)
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ps paqman theres a thread for voting
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On April 22 2012 13:40 VisceraEyes wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2012 07:13 slOosh wrote:slOosh's "VisceraEyes is scum" case.First item: VE's rebuttal of Gonzaw's plan.. Notice how VE does not actually discuss the pros and cons of the plan itself, but instead chooses to only talk about how unfeasible it is based solely on the idea of a non-cooperative JK (which might not even exist). His point by point breakdown ,which he says is for "ease of comprehension", is actually an excuse to set up strawmen, as he avoids talking about the plan itself but rather nitpicks at each point on inconsequential points. Go read the post. If you can honestly see any of the points being valid discussion of gonzaw's plan, then let's discuss that. But all I see is "analysis" used as an excuse to paint gonzaw in a bad light. No actual valid points.
Second item: VE's "scumslip" catchIf you look at gonzaw's post in question, you will see that he consistently uses plural pronouns "we", and so it would be totally natural to use "our" to describe the plan. Yet VE chooses to vote after catching this "scumslip", rather than demonstrating to town how gonzaw is proposing an anti-town agenda in the giant "analysis" of his rebuttal.
Third item: VE's evasion when asked for clarificationThe post linked is the start of the evasion. Watch how Ottoxlol brings up how VE's rebuttal doesn't make much sense, and multiple times VE evades it without really wanting to flesh out his reasoning and discuss his stance. Townies aren't scared to discuss their stances - only mafia are scared of scrutiny as they fear their scum agenda being revealed. More prodding and VE gives this "explanation" Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 11:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because the whole plan hinges on JKs following the plan and I wouldn't in my LIFE follow a mass claim plan D1 giving scum information if I were a JK. To which Ottoxlol points out how illogical that is Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 11:49 Ottoxlol wrote:
I still find it amazing that VE missed the point about JKs and still not responding directly why wouldn't the JKs not follow the plan.
So we'll know who are the vigs, and later scum wont be able to fakeclaim. We already discussed why wouldn't scum fake-claim. Scum doesn't want to kill real vigs first, so the information we are giving up is negligible
Final item: VE's apathy, misrepresentation and fearmongering (no link as there are 2 quotes) Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 15:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm done talking about claiming plans. Anyone who has a role is free to speculate however they choose. You're giving scum all the information they need.
I've made my opinion known. I feel like it town wants to adopt this ridiculous claim plan, then JKs and Trackers are going to be forced to participate. I wouldn't advocate participating in the plan in the first place.
Anyway, my vote on gonzaw stands - especially now that he thinks I'm scum because I disagree with a mass-claim plan. Unbelievable. Note how VE clearly has a stance (thinks gonzaw's plan is ridiculous and terrible) but doesn't actually move to help explain and convince town why it is bad. Instead, it is like "you guys do what you want, I don't advise it, it is clearly pro scum, but you guys decide if you want to do it or not". Why wouldn't a townie be more vocal and start convincing people why it is bad if they truly believed it was pro scum agenda? Why would they be so apathetic? Fearmongering comes in the first line - it is true that this plan outs our vigs, but really - to say that it "gives scum all the information they need" is quite the exaggeration, and as discussed by others, the information isn't that valuable (cf. Ottoxlol's post in my third point). Misrepresentation is in the last line - gonzaw thinks that VE is scum because of his apathy and focus on irrelevant points and lack of proper scumhunting. ( here and here) Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 00:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
gonzaw's response to my vote was terribad. Everyone should be voting for him or explaining why he's town plz.
For anyone who's all like "Hey I don't think scum would stick their neck out with some plan", I say only "OH REALLY FOOL? You don't think scum would be willing to trade a modicum of suspicion on them for the identities of all of our vigs?"
He's pushing a scum agenda in trying to fish for claims, and I for one will NOT ALLOW IT! Again, he hasn't bothered to explain why this information is detrimental to town, and is instead misinterpreting it to make it seem like scum agenda. His whole beef is centered on how this plan outs our vigs, but he has never bothered explaining why that is bad, and intentionally does not acknowledge how it is different from other mass claims because it is actually 1) only making vigs claim, and 2) vigs have the death miller mechanic, which is the crux of gonzaw's plan.
Conclusion: VisceraEyes has displayed a lack of scumhunting, misrepresentation of facts, fearmongering, evasion, apathy to town agenda and illogical arguments. Therefore, he must be scum. ##Vote VisceraEyes I am a non-cooperative Jailkeeper. I'm reading through the thread now, but before you put any more thought into a case against me, my view on gonzaw's plan was skewed from the viewpoint of a non-cooperative JK because I am a non-cooperative JK. I don't want vigs to claim because I don't feel like surrendering my power for town's use. I just did that same thing in Space Station Mafia and I didn't want to do it this game. Now, I understand that claiming does has this exact same effect, so I guess we're at a stalemate. The good news is, I'm town and now that I'm back I intend to help find scum. ^^ /salute
WTF is this?
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On April 20 2012 12:44 Bill Murray wrote:I was wondering if this game was going to start 
On April 21 2012 10:15 Bill Murray wrote:
We're not going to be able to outguess the mod based upon the numbers we sent in
On April 22 2012 12:43 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 12:27 Mementoss wrote:
EBWOP Bill muraary more like fuck that guy, hes like im not even gunna try regarless or aliugnment,. its lieka kepnachi so yeah read into him tommorrow
not true at all
On April 22 2012 12:42 Bill Murray wrote:
##vote: VisceraEyes
Errr.....yeah.
##Unvote: gonzaw
##Vote: Bill Murray
That was easy.
Any bets on who else is scum on my wagon?
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VE why the hell would you claim.
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On April 22 2012 13:43 PaqMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 13:40 VisceraEyes wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2012 07:13 slOosh wrote:slOosh's "VisceraEyes is scum" case.First item: VE's rebuttal of Gonzaw's plan.. Notice how VE does not actually discuss the pros and cons of the plan itself, but instead chooses to only talk about how unfeasible it is based solely on the idea of a non-cooperative JK (which might not even exist). His point by point breakdown ,which he says is for "ease of comprehension", is actually an excuse to set up strawmen, as he avoids talking about the plan itself but rather nitpicks at each point on inconsequential points. Go read the post. If you can honestly see any of the points being valid discussion of gonzaw's plan, then let's discuss that. But all I see is "analysis" used as an excuse to paint gonzaw in a bad light. No actual valid points.
Second item: VE's "scumslip" catchIf you look at gonzaw's post in question, you will see that he consistently uses plural pronouns "we", and so it would be totally natural to use "our" to describe the plan. Yet VE chooses to vote after catching this "scumslip", rather than demonstrating to town how gonzaw is proposing an anti-town agenda in the giant "analysis" of his rebuttal.
Third item: VE's evasion when asked for clarificationThe post linked is the start of the evasion. Watch how Ottoxlol brings up how VE's rebuttal doesn't make much sense, and multiple times VE evades it without really wanting to flesh out his reasoning and discuss his stance. Townies aren't scared to discuss their stances - only mafia are scared of scrutiny as they fear their scum agenda being revealed. More prodding and VE gives this "explanation" Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 11:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because the whole plan hinges on JKs following the plan and I wouldn't in my LIFE follow a mass claim plan D1 giving scum information if I were a JK. To which Ottoxlol points out how illogical that is Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 11:49 Ottoxlol wrote:
I still find it amazing that VE missed the point about JKs and still not responding directly why wouldn't the JKs not follow the plan.
So we'll know who are the vigs, and later scum wont be able to fakeclaim. We already discussed why wouldn't scum fake-claim. Scum doesn't want to kill real vigs first, so the information we are giving up is negligible
Final item: VE's apathy, misrepresentation and fearmongering (no link as there are 2 quotes) Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 15:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm done talking about claiming plans. Anyone who has a role is free to speculate however they choose. You're giving scum all the information they need.
I've made my opinion known. I feel like it town wants to adopt this ridiculous claim plan, then JKs and Trackers are going to be forced to participate. I wouldn't advocate participating in the plan in the first place.
Anyway, my vote on gonzaw stands - especially now that he thinks I'm scum because I disagree with a mass-claim plan. Unbelievable. Note how VE clearly has a stance (thinks gonzaw's plan is ridiculous and terrible) but doesn't actually move to help explain and convince town why it is bad. Instead, it is like "you guys do what you want, I don't advise it, it is clearly pro scum, but you guys decide if you want to do it or not". Why wouldn't a townie be more vocal and start convincing people why it is bad if they truly believed it was pro scum agenda? Why would they be so apathetic? Fearmongering comes in the first line - it is true that this plan outs our vigs, but really - to say that it "gives scum all the information they need" is quite the exaggeration, and as discussed by others, the information isn't that valuable (cf. Ottoxlol's post in my third point). Misrepresentation is in the last line - gonzaw thinks that VE is scum because of his apathy and focus on irrelevant points and lack of proper scumhunting. ( here and here) Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 00:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
gonzaw's response to my vote was terribad. Everyone should be voting for him or explaining why he's town plz.
For anyone who's all like "Hey I don't think scum would stick their neck out with some plan", I say only "OH REALLY FOOL? You don't think scum would be willing to trade a modicum of suspicion on them for the identities of all of our vigs?"
He's pushing a scum agenda in trying to fish for claims, and I for one will NOT ALLOW IT! Again, he hasn't bothered to explain why this information is detrimental to town, and is instead misinterpreting it to make it seem like scum agenda. His whole beef is centered on how this plan outs our vigs, but he has never bothered explaining why that is bad, and intentionally does not acknowledge how it is different from other mass claims because it is actually 1) only making vigs claim, and 2) vigs have the death miller mechanic, which is the crux of gonzaw's plan.
Conclusion: VisceraEyes has displayed a lack of scumhunting, misrepresentation of facts, fearmongering, evasion, apathy to town agenda and illogical arguments. Therefore, he must be scum. ##Vote VisceraEyes I am a non-cooperative Jailkeeper. I'm reading through the thread now, but before you put any more thought into a case against me, my view on gonzaw's plan was skewed from the viewpoint of a non-cooperative JK because I am a non-cooperative JK. I don't want vigs to claim because I don't feel like surrendering my power for town's use. I just did that same thing in Space Station Mafia and I didn't want to do it this game. Now, I understand that claiming does has this exact same effect, so I guess we're at a stalemate. The good news is, I'm town and now that I'm back I intend to help find scum. ^^ /salute WTF is this?
Its VE becoming more evident, proving my I am null on VE, I am hoping that whatever he is doing will become more evident as the day goes on, cause right now he just looks like he is tunneling a little. statement correct
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On April 22 2012 13:47 PaqMan wrote:
VE why the hell would you claim.
So that you guys know that whatever vig claim you come up with doesn't have my support, as the Town Jailkeeper. It has nothing to do with any wagon on me or slOosh's case on me, or anything. It has everything to do with my disagreement with gonzaw's vig claim plan.
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On April 22 2012 13:47 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 13:43 PaqMan wrote:On April 22 2012 13:40 VisceraEyes wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2012 07:13 slOosh wrote:slOosh's "VisceraEyes is scum" case.First item: VE's rebuttal of Gonzaw's plan.. Notice how VE does not actually discuss the pros and cons of the plan itself, but instead chooses to only talk about how unfeasible it is based solely on the idea of a non-cooperative JK (which might not even exist). His point by point breakdown ,which he says is for "ease of comprehension", is actually an excuse to set up strawmen, as he avoids talking about the plan itself but rather nitpicks at each point on inconsequential points. Go read the post. If you can honestly see any of the points being valid discussion of gonzaw's plan, then let's discuss that. But all I see is "analysis" used as an excuse to paint gonzaw in a bad light. No actual valid points.
Second item: VE's "scumslip" catchIf you look at gonzaw's post in question, you will see that he consistently uses plural pronouns "we", and so it would be totally natural to use "our" to describe the plan. Yet VE chooses to vote after catching this "scumslip", rather than demonstrating to town how gonzaw is proposing an anti-town agenda in the giant "analysis" of his rebuttal.
Third item: VE's evasion when asked for clarificationThe post linked is the start of the evasion. Watch how Ottoxlol brings up how VE's rebuttal doesn't make much sense, and multiple times VE evades it without really wanting to flesh out his reasoning and discuss his stance. Townies aren't scared to discuss their stances - only mafia are scared of scrutiny as they fear their scum agenda being revealed. More prodding and VE gives this "explanation" Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 11:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because the whole plan hinges on JKs following the plan and I wouldn't in my LIFE follow a mass claim plan D1 giving scum information if I were a JK. To which Ottoxlol points out how illogical that is Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 11:49 Ottoxlol wrote:
I still find it amazing that VE missed the point about JKs and still not responding directly why wouldn't the JKs not follow the plan.
So we'll know who are the vigs, and later scum wont be able to fakeclaim. We already discussed why wouldn't scum fake-claim. Scum doesn't want to kill real vigs first, so the information we are giving up is negligible
Final item: VE's apathy, misrepresentation and fearmongering (no link as there are 2 quotes) Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 15:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm done talking about claiming plans. Anyone who has a role is free to speculate however they choose. You're giving scum all the information they need.
I've made my opinion known. I feel like it town wants to adopt this ridiculous claim plan, then JKs and Trackers are going to be forced to participate. I wouldn't advocate participating in the plan in the first place.
Anyway, my vote on gonzaw stands - especially now that he thinks I'm scum because I disagree with a mass-claim plan. Unbelievable. Note how VE clearly has a stance (thinks gonzaw's plan is ridiculous and terrible) but doesn't actually move to help explain and convince town why it is bad. Instead, it is like "you guys do what you want, I don't advise it, it is clearly pro scum, but you guys decide if you want to do it or not". Why wouldn't a townie be more vocal and start convincing people why it is bad if they truly believed it was pro scum agenda? Why would they be so apathetic? Fearmongering comes in the first line - it is true that this plan outs our vigs, but really - to say that it "gives scum all the information they need" is quite the exaggeration, and as discussed by others, the information isn't that valuable (cf. Ottoxlol's post in my third point). Misrepresentation is in the last line - gonzaw thinks that VE is scum because of his apathy and focus on irrelevant points and lack of proper scumhunting. ( here and here) Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 00:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
gonzaw's response to my vote was terribad. Everyone should be voting for him or explaining why he's town plz.
For anyone who's all like "Hey I don't think scum would stick their neck out with some plan", I say only "OH REALLY FOOL? You don't think scum would be willing to trade a modicum of suspicion on them for the identities of all of our vigs?"
He's pushing a scum agenda in trying to fish for claims, and I for one will NOT ALLOW IT! Again, he hasn't bothered to explain why this information is detrimental to town, and is instead misinterpreting it to make it seem like scum agenda. His whole beef is centered on how this plan outs our vigs, but he has never bothered explaining why that is bad, and intentionally does not acknowledge how it is different from other mass claims because it is actually 1) only making vigs claim, and 2) vigs have the death miller mechanic, which is the crux of gonzaw's plan.
Conclusion: VisceraEyes has displayed a lack of scumhunting, misrepresentation of facts, fearmongering, evasion, apathy to town agenda and illogical arguments. Therefore, he must be scum. ##Vote VisceraEyes I am a non-cooperative Jailkeeper. I'm reading through the thread now, but before you put any more thought into a case against me, my view on gonzaw's plan was skewed from the viewpoint of a non-cooperative JK because I am a non-cooperative JK. I don't want vigs to claim because I don't feel like surrendering my power for town's use. I just did that same thing in Space Station Mafia and I didn't want to do it this game. Now, I understand that claiming does has this exact same effect, so I guess we're at a stalemate. The good news is, I'm town and now that I'm back I intend to help find scum. ^^ /salute WTF is this? Its VE becoming more evident, proving my Show nested quote +I am null on VE, I am hoping that whatever he is doing will become more evident as the day goes on, cause right now he just looks like he is tunneling a little. statement correct
I don't buy that bullshit, you were wishy-washy about VE so that you could say "I TOLD YOU SO."
On April 22 2012 11:05 Mattchew wrote:
Visceraeyes is still looking scummy too. he needs to start making sense of his nonsense case or I will vote him to be lynched.
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Do we lynch BM or Mattchew?
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as said before, i gave him 9 hours and people (included yourself) wanted an opinion on him. I gave one. Sorry I was right?
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On April 22 2012 13:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Do we lynch BM or Mattchew?
Do we lynch scum or town?
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I gave reasoning for my vote, and I'm sorry you disagree with my reasoning. Surely he'll prove himself one way or the other. BM however, is lurking and ninja-voted me for the crime of disagreeing with a mass-claim plain. He's attempting to ride town sentiment and I think if we lynch him we'll hit scum.
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Just read through the thread:
As of now I see three names being bounced around as scum: Gonzaw, VE, and marvellosity.
In my eyes Gonzaw's bad viglante idea could very well have been an honest mistake. I would think it more scummy, if he tried to turn off that idea later, but he has stuck pretty hard to an already sinking ship. This makes Gonzaw less scummy in my eyes. If I was scum I would have got off that ship once I started racking up votes. VE is kind of the same in this sense he strongly disagrees with Gonzaw's point, pushing his own ideas about claiming. The problem I see with VE is that he hasn't added anything beyond that. If he thinks that Gonzaw is scum he needs more than just a possible scumslip and a bad gameplay proposition. Others have agreed with Gonzaw's OP, but he doesn't think anything of that.
My Scumread:
##Vote: Marvellosity
I've found something he has said particularly scummy. He proposes that he has offered more information than said lurkers(Post). The problem I have is that he didn't have anything to say besides unproductive one-liners. The idea that these posts help the town is very wrong. One-liners are a way to make us think that the poster has more stuff than they actually do. Confusing the town is worse than having a null read due to inactivity. We can't do anything about lurkers, at least not this many, lynching a lurker is pretty much a RNG lynch since we have no information to back it. As of now his only response to why he has yet to post a strong case is that he hasn't got any strong reads. This makes sense, but doesn't give him an excuse to not post. He can still look at accusations and comment on those, or he can scum hunt by pointing out mistakes and tunnel on those. To sum up I feel that Marvell is trying to mislead us into thinking he has the right to not post, which is scummy in my eyes.
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A vote to lynch Bill Murray is a vote for TOWN VICTORY!!
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Should I put my vote on this thread too?
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On April 22 2012 13:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
I gave reasoning for my vote, and I'm sorry you disagree with my reasoning. Surely he'll prove himself one way or the other. BM however, is lurking and ninja-voted me for the crime of disagreeing with a mass-claim plain. He's attempting to ride town sentiment and I think if we lynch him we'll hit scum.
who are you talking to
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