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We lynch Prplhz today
Here's why:
On May 30 2012 23:16 prplhz wrote:
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It's very important for town that we know what role we give them today to eliminate any sort of confusion. If we don't know what role we give them, then they can just argue as if they had any role, and town will just argue along with them. While it's very hard, I think it's very very important that we get a majority+3 on their role so we are absolutely sure what they got. This is even more important than what they end up getting.
Tracker/Medic/Roleblocker combination sounds pretty good to me. What do you mean "without fear of the tracker caliming"?
@Radfield What do you mean "scum are going to lie about their votes anyway"?
I consider that mafia agenda. "It is very important for town that we know what role we give to eliminate confusion"? Yeah we eliminate mafia confusion by telling them what they'll get so they can counter pick,
On June 01 2012 04:15 prplhz wrote:
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What do you think about wherebugsgo, Navilus and risk.nuke? On June 01 2012 21:07 prplhz wrote:
I still want to lynch wherebugsgo.
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I still want to lynch wherebugsgo. On June 02 2012 03:04 prplhz wrote:
I'm okay with lynching Sbrubbles.
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On June 02 2012 08:01 prplhz wrote:
I'm up for Toadesstern since Sbrubbles isn't happening.
That's a lot of people he's willing to lynch without saying a thing about them except for wbg. The "case" on wbg was "WBG hasn't posted, therefore he has to be mafia because he doesn't care about the game" while at least half the players in this game had very few posts at that time. The rest is a bunch of mentions without actually saying why and I already said what I think about stuff like that:
Looks like people testing watertemperature with their toes to check out what can get momentum without doing something themselves.
Furthermore Navilus apparently was on his radar for not posting a lot, just like risk yet later on he says Nav not posting is a sign for townieness? Will come to that next but that's really odd.
On June 02 2012 05:27 prplhz wrote:
@wherebugsgo I don't think that Navilus is scum. First, the guy has never played scum before. Second, his only contributions on day1 so far has been a post saying what he voted, and him calling you out. It doesn't look like he's just trying to avoid mod kill and it very much doesn't look like he's scum trying to hide with only 2 paltry posts during the whole day. I don't think first time scum will not do anything during the day than pick on a town wherebugsgo (but then again, are you town?) Moreover, in the last game I played with him he was also unavailable for a part of the game. You say that he didn't comment on the lynch, one thing that all scum knows to do at all times is have some sort of opinion on the lynch. I'd very much like to keep him around for now.
How do you feel that Sbrubbles has argued in a way that's not scummy, but even townie?
Navilus defense #1
The reasoning here basicly is: "He never played mafia before. I think he would know better than to hide like that with only 2 posts."
I'd consider that a contradiction. Everyone knows people who play mafia for the first time and what's the most frequent mistake those people make? They're not posting because they're scared and trying to hide to hard. At least that's how I have seen most people play their first time game as mafia. This defense makes no sense from a townie point of view no matter who nav was talking about in his two posts.
On June 02 2012 05:42 prplhz wrote:
Read his town games, read his day0 play this game, first time scum mostly try not to stick out and he absolutely knows how to do this better than this. He is sticking out very much with his two measly posts and I very much doubt any scum would think that this would ever be enough not to get lynched. I expect him to get back and tell us why he's been playing so horribly on day1 but I don't think that he's scum right now.
I'm not saying he's new, I'm saying he's first time scum.
Navilus defense #2
Again. He says that first time scums mosty try not to stick out, as in they usually want to hide, yet he says "he absolutely knows how to do this better than this". How in the world do you know he can do better than this if he never played mafia before? How do you know he's not scared to post like most mafias are in their first game?
Again, this defense makes so sense from a town point of view.
On June 02 2012 05:44 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 04:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
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I disagree with a Sbrubbles lynch for now because I think the way he has discussed things is not scummy.
His tone seems more like a townie talking about setup mechanics than a scum.
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Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 05:27 prplhz wrote:
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How do you feel that Sbrubbles has argued in a way that's not scummy, but even townie? Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 05:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
As for your question on Sbrubbles I don't even know what that means I'm really just asking if you can clarify what you said.
Remember his posts from earlier? Sure wbg is not backing up a thing but he's giving his basic thoughts. Now look back a bit and check out the posts prplhz did when he wanted to hear oppinions / accused people. He said nothing, he simply mentioned the names except for the WBG "case".
That's as hypocritical as it can get.
On June 02 2012 09:02 prplhz wrote:
Blues always say stuff like "It's really not a good idea to lynch me." and "Trust me on this one." and "Town shouldn't lynch me."
I don't know how I manage to miss it all the time.
I'm most likely joining a Navilus lynch because I want a lynch Before, he was just being afk and his day0 actions didn't look too different from everybody else. I played with him before when he was town and afk, and when he came back he was really sorry about it (and wrote a huge post explaining exactly why he was afk). He doesn't look remorseful at all here, that post looks like he wants any sort of heat off of him and hopes that I'll just keep defending him 'cause that's what I did before.
Well I'm not gonna. I'm not all convinced about this but it's the best we can realistically achieve today I think.
##Unvote Sbrubbles
##Vote Navilus
Probably the weakest explanation for a vote I've ever seen. "sup guys. THAT GUY IS TOWN SHUT UP.... Oh, I guess he hasn't said he's sorry for being afk so long. Probably means he's mafia"
Fancy conclusion:
- Prplhz defending Nav was REALLY odd and I can't imagine someone making arguments like that from a town perspective. Yeah I know I used to use arguments like that as well. L comes to mind where I said something along the lines of "Palmar looks way to scummy to be scum, something's wrong here" but that's because the guy is called Palmar and not Nav. We're talking about some guy who never played mafia before and Prplhz defends him on the basis of "the guy would play better as mafia because he hasn't ever played mafia before"...
- Prplhz is testing grounds before saying something all the time. He keeps asking people "what do you think about X, Y or Z?" and never says something himself and something like 30 hours later he picks one guy he feels comfortable to push and votes him with 3 lines of explanation.
- The voteswitch is horrible. The reasoning, as already mentioning is the weakest I've ever seen and I'd say he did that because that way he can say "sup guys, I voted him to secure a lynch but didn't want to. Btw TOLD YA HE'S TOWN" for towncred.
Lynch Prplhz please, thanks.
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Day 2
"ZZZZZzzzzzZZZZzzzzZzZzZzZzZzZ"
"Sweepy Time?!?!!?"
"SWEEPY?!?!?!?!"
"LOL WTF! u still drunk bro?"
"asfjkasdgdfjsagkdha"
After dat sleepin!
"Urgh!"
"Aaaaah!"
"He-"
Someone died, GREAT! Men of the world nearly died laughing still crashing bars, pubs, and being bored while waiting for their pay :D
wherebugsgo the Vanilla Townie has been killed.
It is now Day 2, you have 48 hours till the next deadline, Option 1(Lynch locks once majority is reached) has been selected for day.
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Radfield
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going to bed now. See you tomorrow.
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Radfield
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Technically my post came before yours toad, so I guess that means I ninja'd you(even though we were talking about different things...  )
Zephirdd, why aren't you dead? Can anyone give me a reason Zephirdd shouldn't claim?
I don't particularly disagree with the prplhz assessment. I'm a bit thrown by his whole disqualified vote thing though. As that seems like a strange thing to come up with considering mafia didn't actually vote in the first place.
We need anyone who was roleblocked to claim ASAP. In fact perhaps we should wait to see if there are any roleblocks before Zeph claims.
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Radfield
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Oh yes, and 1 shot cop should claim obviously.
It's possible that this is a decent time for any innocent child to claim, but I'm not sure. There is an optimum time for the IC to claim though, and it's not necessarily only when they are on the ropes. Consider that an IC dying from a nightkill before they have claimed is a completely useless role. The strength comes from us having a confirmed townie for a while, and forcing mafia to shoot in a particular direction(shielding other strong players and the other power role).
Tracker should claim if he tracked mafia to a kill or a frame, though ideally you simply push and build a case first, and only claim if necessary. Standard stuff really.
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Radfield
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risk, toad, zeph, kurumi.
I have some filters to look through tomorrow
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I've just finished going through filters again with a fresh mind. Not much new stuff was there obviously but there are some things I missed when I first read through everyone.
Toad: I noticed that one of the points in your case on prplhz is that he made a push against WBG with weak reasoning. I agree with this. However, at a very similar time you yourself say that you want to lynch WBG. Please explain why why/when your suspicions on WBG dropped and why you believe that this is scummy behavior by prplhz when you yourself express similar thoughts.
On June 01 2012 21:07 prplhz wrote:
I still want to lynch wherebugsgo.
Look at his day1 contributions. It's literally been two posts where he says he wants to lynch Kurumi because Kurumi isn't posting TF2 videos, nevermind that Kurumi did post pictures of Sadam Hussein and that Kurumi has played more seriously as town in his last few games.
Also, we need to remember that we can't have people are majority-1, if someone is at majority-2 then you have to agree with somebody else to hammer them. This is because scum has a secret vote and will just hammer any majority-1 if they are town.
I'm around, shoot me some questions if you want. I don't want to comment on everybody but I'll comment on some if people want me to.
I still want to lynch wherebugsgo.
On June 01 2012 21:50 Toadesstern wrote:
I'd like to lynch into hiro or wbg at this point.
Hiro is basicly a claimed mafia who says "well yeah, but would a mafia claim mafia?" which just doesn't work for me anymore since PYP.
WBG is just plain ridiculous right now and he's way better as town than what we see here. Add that to what I mentioned earlier about him (not knowing the d0 cycle was only 24 hours, not posting) and I feel like wbg would be the best vet to lynch into if I can convince you to lynch into a vet :p
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Bntw posting from phone while drunkl. Hooray saturdays.
I liedm. I was trying to grab shots in my face. Radfield, idk where you took that -m blue, but ita fun how you instantly bring that I'm not dead. My post at night was a roleblocker/shot magnet. I was not roleblocked so I assume there is a framer out there.
toad, you tk a lot abou prp defending naviludd, but how does defending a town makes him scum?
akso I want to see more risk posts. He is posting too little imo.
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On June 03 2012 13:43 Zephirdd wrote:
Bntw posting from phone while drunkl. Hooray saturdays.
I liedm. I was trying to grab shots in my face. Radfield, idk where you took that -m blue, but ita fun how you instantly bring that I'm not dead. My post at night was a roleblocker/shot magnet. I was not roleblocked so I assume there is a framer out there.
toad, you tk a lot abou prp defending naviludd, but how does defending a town makes him scum?
akso I want to see more risk posts. He is posting too little imo.
I switched my vote for this?
Zeph - what exactly did you mean, if anything, when you initially wrote that "pushing me is the worst move atm" thing?
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On June 03 2012 11:13 Radfield wrote:
Oh yes, and 1 shot cop should claim obviously.
It's possible that this is a decent time for any innocent child to claim, but I'm not sure. There is an optimum time for the IC to claim though, and it's not necessarily only when they are on the ropes. Consider that an IC dying from a nightkill before they have claimed is a completely useless role. The strength comes from us having a confirmed townie for a while, and forcing mafia to shoot in a particular direction(shielding other strong players and the other power role).
Tracker should claim if he tracked mafia to a kill or a frame, though ideally you simply push and build a case first, and only claim if necessary. Standard stuff really.
If we have an innocent child I disagree with him claiming now (unless he's up for lynch). The optimal time would be when we have the mayoral election (presumably D3) so that we can elect a guaranteed townie.
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On June 03 2012 13:43 Zephirdd wrote:
Bntw posting from phone while drunkl. Hooray saturdays.
I liedm. I was trying to grab shots in my face. Radfield, idk where you took that -m blue, but ita fun how you instantly bring that I'm not dead. My post at night was a roleblocker/shot magnet. I was not roleblocked so I assume there is a framer out there.
toad, you tk a lot abou prp defending naviludd, but how does defending a town makes him scum?
akso I want to see more risk posts. He is posting too little imo.
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And I agree with talismania on IC. But I really doubt we have one.
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On June 03 2012 14:09 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 13:43 Zephirdd wrote:
Bntw posting from phone while drunkl. Hooray saturdays.
I liedm. I was trying to grab shots in my face. Radfield, idk where you took that -m blue, but ita fun how you instantly bring that I'm not dead. My post at night was a roleblocker/shot magnet. I was not roleblocked so I assume there is a framer out there.
toad, you tk a lot abou prp defending naviludd, but how does defending a town makes him scum?
akso I want to see more risk posts. He is posting too little imo. I switched my vote for this? Zeph - what exactly did you mean, if anything, when you initially wrote that "pushing me is the worst move atm" thing?
That i am town and it is bad to lynch town LOL.
anyways its 3am wtf gotta go to sleep cya and also I love the meme pic :D
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I expected to get rbed and killed and here I am untouched. Arghnice.
Prplhz is an excellent lynch candidate so I am voting him. Wishy-washy as heck without backing it up, clearly did not care about D1 lynch. Him being pretty confident in not getting shot is a tell too. He was quite active during the night.
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On June 03 2012 10:59 Toadesstern wrote:We lynch Prplhz today Here's why: Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 23:16 prplhz wrote:
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It's very important for town that we know what role we give them today to eliminate any sort of confusion. If we don't know what role we give them, then they can just argue as if they had any role, and town will just argue along with them. While it's very hard, I think it's very very important that we get a majority+3 on their role so we are absolutely sure what they got. This is even more important than what they end up getting.
Tracker/Medic/Roleblocker combination sounds pretty good to me. What do you mean "without fear of the tracker caliming"?
@Radfield What do you mean "scum are going to lie about their votes anyway"? I consider that mafia agenda. "It is very important for town that we know what role we give to eliminate confusion"? Yeah we eliminate mafia confusion by telling them what they'll get so they can counter pick, 1Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 04:15 prplhz wrote:
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What do you think about wherebugsgo, Navilus and risk.nuke? Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 21:07 prplhz wrote:
I still want to lynch wherebugsgo.
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I still want to lynch wherebugsgo. Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 08:01 prplhz wrote:
I'm up for Toadesstern since Sbrubbles isn't happening. That's a lot of people he's willing to lynch without saying a thing about them except for wbg. The "case" on wbg was "WBG hasn't posted, therefore he has to be mafia because he doesn't care about the game" while at least half the players in this game had very few posts at that time. The rest is a bunch of mentions without actually saying why and I already said what I think about stuff like that: 2Looks like people testing watertemperature with their toes to check out what can get momentum without doing something themselves. 3Furthermore Navilus apparently was on his radar for not posting a lot, just like risk yet later on he says Nav not posting is a sign for townieness? Will come to that next but that's really odd. 4Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 05:27 prplhz wrote:
@wherebugsgo I don't think that Navilus is scum. First, the guy has never played scum before. Second, his only contributions on day1 so far has been a post saying what he voted, and him calling you out. It doesn't look like he's just trying to avoid mod kill and it very much doesn't look like he's scum trying to hide with only 2 paltry posts during the whole day. I don't think first time scum will not do anything during the day than pick on a town wherebugsgo (but then again, are you town?) Moreover, in the last game I played with him he was also unavailable for a part of the game. You say that he didn't comment on the lynch, one thing that all scum knows to do at all times is have some sort of opinion on the lynch. I'd very much like to keep him around for now.
How do you feel that Sbrubbles has argued in a way that's not scummy, but even townie? Navilus defense #1The reasoning here basicly is: "He never played mafia before. I think he would know better than to hide like that with only 2 posts." 5I'd consider that a contradiction. Everyone knows people who play mafia for the first time and what's the most frequent mistake those people make? They're not posting because they're scared and trying to hide to hard. At least that's how I have seen most people play their first time game as mafia. This defense makes no sense from a townie point of view no matter who nav was talking about in his two posts. 6Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 05:42 prplhz wrote:
Read his town games, read his day0 play this game, first time scum mostly try not to stick out and he absolutely knows how to do this better than this. He is sticking out very much with his two measly posts and I very much doubt any scum would think that this would ever be enough not to get lynched. I expect him to get back and tell us why he's been playing so horribly on day1 but I don't think that he's scum right now.
I'm not saying he's new, I'm saying he's first time scum. Navilus defense #2Again. He says that first time scums mosty try not to stick out, as in they usually want to hide, yet he says "he absolutely knows how to do this better than this". How in the world do you know he can do better than this if he never played mafia before? How do you know he's not scared to post like most mafias are in their first game? Again, this defense makes so sense from a town point of view. 7Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 05:44 prplhz wrote:On June 02 2012 04:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
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I disagree with a Sbrubbles lynch for now because I think the way he has discussed things is not scummy.
His tone seems more like a townie talking about setup mechanics than a scum.
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On June 02 2012 05:27 prplhz wrote:
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How do you feel that Sbrubbles has argued in a way that's not scummy, but even townie? On June 02 2012 05:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
As for your question on Sbrubbles I don't even know what that means I'm really just asking if you can clarify what you said. Remember his posts from earlier? Sure wbg is not backing up a thing but he's giving his basic thoughts. Now look back a bit and check out the posts prplhz did when he wanted to hear oppinions / accused people. He said nothing, he simply mentioned the names except for the WBG "case". That's as hypocritical as it can get. 8Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 09:02 prplhz wrote:
Blues always say stuff like "It's really not a good idea to lynch me." and "Trust me on this one." and "Town shouldn't lynch me."
I don't know how I manage to miss it all the time.
I'm most likely joining a Navilus lynch because I want a lynch Before, he was just being afk and his day0 actions didn't look too different from everybody else. I played with him before when he was town and afk, and when he came back he was really sorry about it (and wrote a huge post explaining exactly why he was afk). He doesn't look remorseful at all here, that post looks like he wants any sort of heat off of him and hopes that I'll just keep defending him 'cause that's what I did before.
Well I'm not gonna. I'm not all convinced about this but it's the best we can realistically achieve today I think.
##Unvote Sbrubbles
##Vote Navilus Probably the weakest explanation for a vote I've ever seen. "sup guys. THAT GUY IS TOWN SHUT UP.... Oh, I guess he hasn't said he's sorry for being afk so long. Probably means he's mafia" 9
Fancy conclusion: - Prplhz defending Nav was REALLY odd and I can't imagine someone making arguments like that from a town perspective. Yeah I know I used to use arguments like that as well. L comes to mind where I said something along the lines of "Palmar looks way to scummy to be scum, something's wrong here" but that's because the guy is called Palmar and not Nav. We're talking about some guy who never played mafia before and Prplhz defends him on the basis of "the guy would play better as mafia because he hasn't ever played mafia before"...
- Prplhz is testing grounds before saying something all the time. He keeps asking people "what do you think about X, Y or Z?" and never says something himself and something like 30 hours later he picks one guy he feels comfortable to push and votes him with 3 lines of explanation.
- The voteswitch is horrible. The reasoning, as already mentioning is the weakest I've ever seen and I'd say he did that because that way he can say "sup guys, I voted him to secure a lynch but didn't want to. Btw TOLD YA HE'S TOWN" for towncred.
Lynch Prplhz please, thanks.
1: I don't consider that mafia agenda. I think it's better that we know what role mafia has and mafia know what role they have and what roles we have, than that we don't know any roles, and mafia knows all roles. Again, right now we can't know if scum has roleblocker or framer and that's a bad situation for us.
2: I didn't have a huge reasonable for voting wherebugsgo I agree with that but if you look at how the state of the thread was at the time, nothing was happening, so I made a case that doubled as pressure vote and something to discuss. I had more reasonable on Sbrubbles than what you are posting so you are really just misrepresenting me here. Wanting to lynch you was because nobody was hooked on anything else and I have a hard time reading you while other people were thinking that you were scum so it was an okay lynch. I also NEVER SAID that wherebugsgo HAS TO BE SCUM. You are misrepresenting me.
3: How does it look like that? I want you to answer this question 'cause it looks to me like you're just taking the current buzzword and then applying it to a situation for no reason. If you read my posts you will see that I pushed wherebugsgo and Sbrubbles a lot harder than you make it look like, I'm not testing any waters. What does testing waters even mean?
4: Yea, different things goes for different people. I played with Navilus in Resistance 2, go read that game. He was afk for a long period of time and he was really sorry about it when he came back. I expected something similar this game but he wasn't sorry when he came back so I decided that he would be an okay lynch.
5: My reasoning was that a guy who has played some mafia, but hasn't been scum before, wouldn't try to hide by blatantly only make two measly posts.
6: Show me a game where a first time scum has played day1 with only two posts. Only people with well established meta would ever attempt to do that. You say it's happening all the time but I'm saying that it's actually never happening. Show me a single game, 'cause I have never seen it. Do you seriously think that only making 2 posts is a very clear scum tell? Then why didn't you push Navilus at all? This sounds like something you are just making up to use in this analysis.
7: How do you know that he is? He wasn't afraid to posts because I saw him post quite a lot on day1. How is making only 2 measly posts hiding? And are you seriously asking me "How can anybody have any conception about how it is to play scum when they have never played scum before?" because I consider that a very silly question.
8: I honestly don't even know what the accusations is here. What I do notice is that wherebugsgo gets some credit here for "not backing anything up, but still providing basic thoughts". You're accusing me of being scum for that very same reason in argument 2, and in argument 4 you're accusing me of being scum for having double standards! Hilarious.
9: Yea, maybe stuff is a little weak, but it was on day1. If you read his filter in Resistance 2 then you'll see him being quite sorry for being afk and I was expecting the same here, except if he didn't feel sorry at all because he was scum. Maybe it's weak, I don't particularly think so for a day1 argument. I didn't say "probably means he's mafia", this is blatant misrepresentation. If you read my posts I give my very clear read of him in that situation and that is, and I quote, because you apparently lack the ability to do so properly: "I'm not all convinced about this but it's the best we can realistically achieve today I think." which translate to "null slightly leaning scum". I'm sure that you, in your fervor, can find something you consider scummy about that too, but can you please argue with what I said instead of this misrepresentation.
Your conclusion is pretty silly, but overall your analysis is so bullshit that I'm a little less worried about you now. Oh yeah, testing the waters? I think you did that too according to your definition about it, you make short mentions about me in your filter too, and then after Kurumi decides to mindlessly tunnel me for an entire night you jump on it and make a big case. Isn't that testing the waters? What does that even mean?
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so you wanted to lynch wbg whether he was town or scum?
that's a touching story
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in case prplhz wall of text is too long here is
tl;dr
I wanted to lynch anyone because I don't care
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On June 03 2012 19:51 Kurumi wrote:
so you wanted to lynch wbg whether he was town or scum?
that's a touching story
So you just claimed scum?
Awesome.
Hey, why is that "You" not capitalized?
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Kurumi appealing to the people not reading the thread. Sounds legit.
Anyway, since this is tunnel city, I'm leaving this thread. I'll spend my time reading instead of responding to no-effort no-brain one liners from Kurumi. inb4 "he thinks he's getting lynched because he feels inherently guilty because he's scum".
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On June 03 2012 19:53 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 19:51 Kurumi wrote:
so you wanted to lynch wbg whether he was town or scum?
that's a touching story So you just claimed scum? Awesome. Hey, why is that "You" not capitalized?
i dislike wasting time on scum
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