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On February 07 2013 11:10 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 10:59 jaybrundage wrote:
@Oats my biggest scum read atm is Djo as i said so far. However as the day goes on ill be willing to consolidate if no one wants to lynch djo
I also think JX has been useless so far and wouldn't mind lynching him. @ jayI didn't disappear, I was just sleeping  Tell me what do you think of my latest post. Also don't you think that Palmar has also been useless so far ? Why don't you include him on your "to do lynch list" ?
I find you saying that your lynch was random bullshit. If you wanted random just go to a RNG and type in the numbers. You picked Oats. Don't act like it was a crazy random happenstance.
Palmar is a very strong town player. I have played a decent number of games with him. If he is town scum will want to try to kill him asap. But in this set up they can't unless they lead a mislynch on him. Whether it be via a normal day mislynch or a mislynch in a nomination day. I actually haven't played with scum palmar So maybe I don't really consider the possibility of him being scum. But I can judge palmar by his results if he doesnt lead the town to some good scum lynches ill be willing to lynch him. But given who he is I give him more leeway then I would others.
Djo the real question is why do you want to lynch palmar. Is it just cause hes lurking?
I foresaw you bringing up some convoluted plan to try to trap "scum." Which rarely ever works however the point stands that you could claim that as scum or town. Also you didn't address my point of you not using your RNG to create discussion for your self and instead kept trying to get other people to give thoughts on your RNG lynch. You didn't actually contribute anything.
Mocsta is someone i have yet to read completely yet. I would like you to expand on him. Also Sloosh if you don't wanna vote yamato whos next on your list?
Also JX dafaq?
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On February 07 2013 11:27 Djodref wrote:
Yes, I expected you to join my random lynch. I didn't understand why not at that time and I don't understand it more when I read the thread again. So I'm suspicious of you.
What is the point of saying that he is mimicking his scum post structure in this game if you don't think he is scum then ? What is the point of keeping shitting up the thread with him (not saying that you are the only responsible for it) when you have pegged him as town ? Why not take a break and wait for other players to post ?
Where did you see that I had Oats as scum ?
Well i already spelt it out, RNG is a non-commital lynch. Im not interested in it full stop. Regardless of the proposee. I also made this clear you, when I suggested you were my target from my RNG simulation.
At the start of Oats/Mocsta feud, I labelled him a as scummy-ish town player.The point of the post structure comment to inform him, I happen to interpret that structure scummy. I dont see a problem with that. It was not mentioned in a malicious way, and if you think it is, then you are obviously too sensitive when it suits your agenda; as comments he made were much more direct yet you dont take issue with it.
I didnt want to keep shitting the thread. I offered to stop when VE stepped in. I offered to stop when it kept going and I could see it being pointless. I offered to stop when others started saying again it was shittign up the thread. Each and everytime he threw it back in my face; and at points even called me scum. Of course I am goign to stand up for myself. Dont give me this shit about taking a break; I did, and as soon as people join into the thread, look at the first thing Oats "DEMANDS" of them. Feedback on the feud, hes the one who cant move on.
Your last comment is a misinterpretation:
What I wrote was reference to Mocsta/Palmar being scum (one of the two active participants = me out of mocsta/oats)
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On February 07 2013 11:22 slOosh wrote:
Mocsta, I think the stem of this yamato confusion (and it's something I took a while to pinpoint), is that he views you as scum which in turn influenced his other reads. It can seem hypocritical but really it's just making really strong assumptions. I do think there was clear effort made to understand where I was coming from and that he isn't the best lynch for today.
The point you raise is worth discussing, and if Yamato case read with conviction, I would completely agree with you.
Herein lies the problem
Yamato points for both Phagga and myself do not have conviction. They read lazy and the outcome changes and evolves as pressure is mounted. Insufficient reasoning is given for the change in outcome.
Are you honestly telling me, the points yamato made of me, read as if he is truly convinced, and udnertaking extreme confirmation bias?
That is the play Yamato is known for, and in my opinion, is not exhibited here.
Rather, it is wishy-washy in the middle stances, that he can adapt to either side of town/scum as required.
Yamato has not even addressed the points I raised; instead shoeing it off as "I misinterpret him".
Look at the difference, I said he is misinterpreting me, I provided rational. Where is his for the counter?
My vote is remaining;
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On February 07 2013 11:31 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 11:10 Djodref wrote:On February 07 2013 10:59 jaybrundage wrote:
@Oats my biggest scum read atm is Djo as i said so far. However as the day goes on ill be willing to consolidate if no one wants to lynch djo
I also think JX has been useless so far and wouldn't mind lynching him. @ jayI didn't disappear, I was just sleeping Tell me what do you think of my latest post. Also don't you think that Palmar has also been useless so far ? Why don't you include him on your "to do lynch list" ? I find you saying that your lynch was random bullshit. If you wanted random just go to a RNG and type in the numbers. You picked Oats. Don't act like it was a crazy random happenstance. Palmar is a very strong town player. I have played a decent number of games with him. If he is town scum will want to try to kill him asap. But in this set up they can't unless they lead a mislynch on him. Whether it be via a normal day mislynch or a mislynch in a nomination day. I actually haven't played with scum palmar So maybe I don't really consider the possibility of him being scum. But I can judge palmar by his results if he doesnt lead the town to some good scum lynches ill be willing to lynch him. But given who he is I give him more leeway then I would others. Djo the real question is why do you want to lynch palmar. Is it just cause hes lurking? I foresaw you bringing up some convoluted plan to try to trap "scum." Which rarely ever works however the point stands that you could claim that as scum or town. Also you didn't address my point of you not using your RNG to create discussion for your self and instead kept trying to get other people to give thoughts on your RNG lynch. You didn't actually contribute anything. Mocsta is someone i have yet to read completely yet. I would like you to expand on him. Also Sloosh if you don't wanna vote yamato whos next on your list? Also JX dafaq?
I thought to go to a RNG but how do you show that you didn't type numbers in again and again to get the lynch you want ?
I had absolutely no control over the number of posts the next person who was going to post had at that time. This was random in this way and also transparent for other players. Please explain me how I arbitrarily picked Oats.
About Palmar, does it look like town Palmar from Hero Mini Mafia where we were playing together ? I want him to step up if he is town, if not, we lynch him. This kind of player have to stand up by their standard. That's why I want to lynch Palmar. I don't want to see LVIII again and I don't want to give him leeway if he is scum.
Okay, I admit that I didn't contribute so much but I think it is mainly because my pick was bad. Honestly, I didn't believe in Oats lynch a few posts after my proposition but I didn't want to admit it at this point. I think I got an interesting reaction from Mocsta though
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Mmm ... I need to step back and reread to see what I've missed.
Jay, who I'd like to talk to is prplhz, as his opportunity to comment on phagga was lost / buried / whatever.
Mocsta: Honestly speaking I think I need to sleep on it before having another crack at it.
Which is what I'll be doing since I've procrastinated far too much work and need to get it done.
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On February 07 2013 11:39 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 11:27 Djodref wrote:
Yes, I expected you to join my random lynch. I didn't understand why not at that time and I don't understand it more when I read the thread again. So I'm suspicious of you.
What is the point of saying that he is mimicking his scum post structure in this game if you don't think he is scum then ? What is the point of keeping shitting up the thread with him (not saying that you are the only responsible for it) when you have pegged him as town ? Why not take a break and wait for other players to post ?
Where did you see that I had Oats as scum ?
Well i already spelt it out, RNG is a non-commital lynch. Im not interested in it full stop. Regardless of the proposee. I also made this clear you, when I suggested you were my target from my RNG simulation. At the start of Oats/Mocsta feud, I labelled him a as scummy-ish town player.The point of the post structure comment to inform him, I happen to interpret that structure scummy. I dont see a problem with that. It was not mentioned in a malicious way, and if you think it is, then you are obviously too sensitive when it suits your agenda; as comments he made were much more direct yet you dont take issue with it. I didnt want to keep shitting the thread. I offered to stop when VE stepped in. I offered to stop when it kept going and I could see it being pointless. I offered to stop when others started saying again it was shittign up the thread. Each and everytime he threw it back in my face; and at points even called me scum. Of course I am goign to stand up for myself. Dont give me this shit about taking a break; I did, and as soon as people join into the thread, look at the first thing Oats "DEMANDS" of them. Feedback on the feud, hes the one who cant move on. Your last comment is a misinterpretation: What I wrote was reference to Mocsta/Palmar being scum (one of the two active participants = me out of mocsta/oats)
What if I had picked up yamato ? Would you refuse to join me then ?
The fact that I picked Oats randomly only engages me, and if you join my lynch or not engages you. It's only non-committal for me, and I wouldn't even say it's fully non-committal. And it appeared that you had Oats as scum, even if you deny having him as scum, so I really suspect you to have wanted to paint him in red.
Anyway, you don't tell people what makes their post scummy, you don't tell them what is a scum tell for you. Town players doesn't do this, they push scum to make the mistake that is going to allow them to nail them.
So either you wanted to paint Oats in red (without joining his lynch), either you were trying to coach him the hard way. I don't see the town motivation for doing any of this.
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I dont care if Palmer is town actually at this point, he hasnt posted enough for ANYONE to get a read on him
Vets cannot let their reputation carry the game for them, especially since there are no nightkills in this game so its not like he is gonna die day 1 if he is really good.
This is a pure LURKER lynch.
Mr CC has contributed more than him and he replaced like 12+ hours later.
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmer.
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On February 07 2013 11:57 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 11:39 Mocsta wrote:On February 07 2013 11:27 Djodref wrote:
Yes, I expected you to join my random lynch. I didn't understand why not at that time and I don't understand it more when I read the thread again. So I'm suspicious of you.
What is the point of saying that he is mimicking his scum post structure in this game if you don't think he is scum then ? What is the point of keeping shitting up the thread with him (not saying that you are the only responsible for it) when you have pegged him as town ? Why not take a break and wait for other players to post ?
Where did you see that I had Oats as scum ?
Well i already spelt it out, RNG is a non-commital lynch. Im not interested in it full stop. Regardless of the proposee. I also made this clear you, when I suggested you were my target from my RNG simulation. At the start of Oats/Mocsta feud, I labelled him a as scummy-ish town player.The point of the post structure comment to inform him, I happen to interpret that structure scummy. I dont see a problem with that. It was not mentioned in a malicious way, and if you think it is, then you are obviously too sensitive when it suits your agenda; as comments he made were much more direct yet you dont take issue with it. I didnt want to keep shitting the thread. I offered to stop when VE stepped in. I offered to stop when it kept going and I could see it being pointless. I offered to stop when others started saying again it was shittign up the thread. Each and everytime he threw it back in my face; and at points even called me scum. Of course I am goign to stand up for myself. Dont give me this shit about taking a break; I did, and as soon as people join into the thread, look at the first thing Oats "DEMANDS" of them. Feedback on the feud, hes the one who cant move on. Your last comment is a misinterpretation: What I wrote was reference to Mocsta/Palmar being scum (one of the two active participants = me out of mocsta/oats) What if I had picked up yamato ? Would you refuse to join me then ? The fact that I picked Oats randomly only engages me, and if you join my lynch or not engages you. It's only non-committal for me, and I wouldn't even say it's fully non-committal. And it appeared that you had Oats as scum, even if you deny having him as scum, so I really suspect you to have wanted to paint him in red. Anyway, you don't tell people what makes their post scummy, you don't tell them what is a scum tell for you. Town players doesn't do this, they push scum to make the mistake that is going to allow them to nail them. So either you wanted to paint Oats in red (without joining his lynch), either you were trying to coach him the hard way. I don't see the town motivation for doing any of this.
Yes I would refuse to join you on RNG yamato,
(1) Because I wouldnt join you in a RNG at any point and on any one.
and
(2) Yamato hadnt entered the game yet. Im not voting for someone I cant get a read on.
Right, you seem to be the only person saying I had Oats as scum (aside from Oats). I have said I was defending myself, and guess what, other people commenting on the situation have also said I was defending myself and right to call him out. Your points are weak, and Im starting to think your intentionally shitting up the thread.
You are constantly pussy footing about my "reaction to RNG"; why dont you just be a man and make your case. At least Yamato had the stones to attempt a case.
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What a load of crap about keeping scum tells to yourself.
The whole point of making a case is identifying scum tells and providing reasoning behind the motive to why it is a tell.
This comment that we keep scum tells to ourselves has to be the stupidest comment I have read this entire game.
Why are you spewing so much bullshit Djo?
Are you trying to bury that Jay and me have issues with JX and his sole post?
Are you trying to bury my case against Yamato?
Perhaps your just trying to bury something else I have not noticed yet... either way, your contributions are still lacking.
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Oats, we are polar opposite in thought process so you are perhaps the best person to answer this question.
Yamato thinks I "seriously misinterpreted" his actions in my case. Do you agree with him?
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A wild Cheesecake has appeared!
Back from work y'all. I think a Djo lynch isn't good right yet. The lolrandomlynch is suicide, and such an easy (mis?)lynch target for scum to consider. Smileydjo be smileydjo. Albeit his suggestion is different from some earlier games I've had with him, idk what to make of it.
On February 07 2013 12:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont care if Palmer is town actually at this point, he hasnt posted enough for ANYONE to get a read on him
Vets cannot let their reputation carry the game for them, especially since there are no nightkills in this game so its not like he is gonna die day 1 if he is really good.
This is a pure LURKER lynch.
Mr CC has contributed more than him and he replaced like 12+ hours later.
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmer.
Interesting, but I want to see him reveal his grand master schematic to dismantle the scum armada. It's sure to be all Palmarified and stuff.
Reading the rest of these juicy postin's up now.
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On February 07 2013 12:11 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 11:57 Djodref wrote:On February 07 2013 11:39 Mocsta wrote:On February 07 2013 11:27 Djodref wrote:
Yes, I expected you to join my random lynch. I didn't understand why not at that time and I don't understand it more when I read the thread again. So I'm suspicious of you.
What is the point of saying that he is mimicking his scum post structure in this game if you don't think he is scum then ? What is the point of keeping shitting up the thread with him (not saying that you are the only responsible for it) when you have pegged him as town ? Why not take a break and wait for other players to post ?
Where did you see that I had Oats as scum ?
Well i already spelt it out, RNG is a non-commital lynch. Im not interested in it full stop. Regardless of the proposee. I also made this clear you, when I suggested you were my target from my RNG simulation. At the start of Oats/Mocsta feud, I labelled him a as scummy-ish town player.The point of the post structure comment to inform him, I happen to interpret that structure scummy. I dont see a problem with that. It was not mentioned in a malicious way, and if you think it is, then you are obviously too sensitive when it suits your agenda; as comments he made were much more direct yet you dont take issue with it. I didnt want to keep shitting the thread. I offered to stop when VE stepped in. I offered to stop when it kept going and I could see it being pointless. I offered to stop when others started saying again it was shittign up the thread. Each and everytime he threw it back in my face; and at points even called me scum. Of course I am goign to stand up for myself. Dont give me this shit about taking a break; I did, and as soon as people join into the thread, look at the first thing Oats "DEMANDS" of them. Feedback on the feud, hes the one who cant move on. Your last comment is a misinterpretation: What I wrote was reference to Mocsta/Palmar being scum (one of the two active participants = me out of mocsta/oats) What if I had picked up yamato ? Would you refuse to join me then ? The fact that I picked Oats randomly only engages me, and if you join my lynch or not engages you. It's only non-committal for me, and I wouldn't even say it's fully non-committal. And it appeared that you had Oats as scum, even if you deny having him as scum, so I really suspect you to have wanted to paint him in red. Anyway, you don't tell people what makes their post scummy, you don't tell them what is a scum tell for you. Town players doesn't do this, they push scum to make the mistake that is going to allow them to nail them. So either you wanted to paint Oats in red (without joining his lynch), either you were trying to coach him the hard way. I don't see the town motivation for doing any of this. Yes I would refuse to join you on RNG yamato, (1) Because I wouldnt join you in a RNG at any point and on any one. and (2) Yamato hadnt entered the game yet. Im not voting for someone I cant get a read on. Right, you seem to be the only person saying I had Oats as scum (aside from Oats). I have said I was defending myself, and guess what, other people commenting on the situation have also said I was defending myself and right to call him out. Your points are weak, and Im starting to think your intentionally shitting up the thread. You are constantly pussy footing about my "reaction to RNG"; why dont you just be a man and make your case. At least Yamato had the stones to attempt a case. & What a load of crap about keeping scum tells to yourself. The whole point of making a case is identifying scum tells and providing reasoning behind the motive to why it is a tell.This comment that we keep scum tells to ourselves has to be the stupidest comment I have read this entire game. Why are you spewing so much bullshit Djo? Are you trying to bury that Jay and me have issues with JX and his sole post? Are you trying to bury my case against Yamato? Perhaps your just trying to bury something else I have not noticed yet... either way, your contributions are still lacking.
Okay, let me explain to you clearly once again, because either you don't understand the case I'm trying to convey, either you are doing this on purpose.
Let's imagine that you are town and Oats is scum. You should never tell him, "oh, by the way, you are mimicking your scum post structure" if you don't attack him for this. What if Oats is scum ? He can correct himself without being really called for it. So either your early post concerning Oats were attacks against him that you don't want to take the responsibility for (what I'm thinking and that would be coming from scum Mocsta), either it was some way for you to start a flame war with Oats and make the thread unreadable (also coming from scum Mocsta) or either it is a very poor way of playing town.
And I'm not trying to divert anything from anything, my main concerns right now are Palmar and you.
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If we were really going to lynch someone lurky, I'd rather go with JX over Palmar.
Only thing he's done was an lolcase on Mocsta.
On February 07 2013 01:11 JieXian wrote:Mocsha soooo scummy!!!Clear evidence of lying and trolling up the thread since his first post: Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 10:03 Mocsta wrote:
Im pretty excited for the even day dynamics.
The risk/reward of putting 3 town for nomination, reminds me of the whole bodyguard speculation.
It can even go as wild as putting in 3 scum; to bus one and clear the other 2.
Either way, wont talk about this anymore till game starts. Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 11:02 Mocsta wrote:
Hey all
the usual stuff
Im +8 GMT
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nominating myself for mayor
o.0 Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 11:04 Mocsta wrote:ooo.. nominations referred to Even Days. *sigh* VE: Plan is still in action  Pretends to not know about the game when he already did speculate about the nomination mechanic... wtf is this?
That coupled with oats' meta read doesn't make it look too good for you mochsta
So like 2 lines of "analysis" and some quotes. In addition, it's on the only person ('sides Oats) with a considerable number of posts to go on. Seems convenient like "Hey I need some kinda case out here, pew pew get this guy" It's neither convincing nor substantial. I hate the term "appearing to be contributing" but it seems like he's certainly "feigning doing stuff" Reminds me of dat Oats case in our newbie where he did the same thing as scum and I shat all over him for it.
@Snarfs
What you think of Mr. Djodref here and all of his shenannies?
Trying to mull this Yamato stuff over in my head.
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Djo,
Seriously what were you thinking going for a random lynch? Was it your intention to actually random lynch some guy, generate discussion, draw out scum, yadda yadda? It irks me because I've never seen you (or anyone) have the balls to suggest doing it.
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I'm starting to come around to the idea of town Mocsta, actually. I believe he has a scum read on me, wrong or not. I'm not going to pick apart his case on me, because honestly it's too time consuming to do so, but rather, I'll say this: Reread what you've quoted with the idea that I'm town in your head, and you'll see what I've been doing this game. It does no good for you, as town, to continue to pursue me.
With that, I'd be behind a JX lynch. His one post is a "case" and vote on Mocsta. He was a QT spammer in our game together, and was far more active there than the thread, as opposed to his "carefree" town games like LIX. I'd be behind his lynch.
Palmar should also be on people's minds. No, you don't want to lynch Palmar D1 if he's town, but you don't exactly want him staying alive until tomorrow if mafia, either, so if he refuses to do anything for the rest of today I would say he should almost certainly be our lynch. A weak ass joke-vote on Prplhz is not meaningful contribution.
I don't like a Djodref lynch at the moment, but I need to reassess his posting from a more objective standpoint. I was giving him too much credit for his Mocsta read before. Still, I think he is perhaps not the best choice in front of people like JX/Palmar, so he's a backburner for me.
I don't know what's going on between VE/Snarfs, but I don't think people are cool with lynching VE so Snarfs needs some better contributions than a "case" on VE that I don't find to be good.
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Also,
##Unvote
##Vote JieXian
Or however you spell his name.
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Either Yamato is scum or bad.
I think bad is more likely
Sorry yamato
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On February 07 2013 13:00 Oatsmaster wrote:Either Yamato is scum or bad. I think bad is more likely Sorry yamato
Why do you think that?
Perhaps some of what I've done this game hasn't gone the way I intended it to, but hey, shit happens. What about the things I am doing make you think I'm bad? I think I have a good chunk of the game figured out already.
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On February 07 2013 12:38 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 12:11 Mocsta wrote:On February 07 2013 11:57 Djodref wrote:On February 07 2013 11:39 Mocsta wrote:On February 07 2013 11:27 Djodref wrote:
Yes, I expected you to join my random lynch. I didn't understand why not at that time and I don't understand it more when I read the thread again. So I'm suspicious of you.
What is the point of saying that he is mimicking his scum post structure in this game if you don't think he is scum then ? What is the point of keeping shitting up the thread with him (not saying that you are the only responsible for it) when you have pegged him as town ? Why not take a break and wait for other players to post ?
Where did you see that I had Oats as scum ?
Well i already spelt it out, RNG is a non-commital lynch. Im not interested in it full stop. Regardless of the proposee. I also made this clear you, when I suggested you were my target from my RNG simulation. At the start of Oats/Mocsta feud, I labelled him a as scummy-ish town player.The point of the post structure comment to inform him, I happen to interpret that structure scummy. I dont see a problem with that. It was not mentioned in a malicious way, and if you think it is, then you are obviously too sensitive when it suits your agenda; as comments he made were much more direct yet you dont take issue with it. I didnt want to keep shitting the thread. I offered to stop when VE stepped in. I offered to stop when it kept going and I could see it being pointless. I offered to stop when others started saying again it was shittign up the thread. Each and everytime he threw it back in my face; and at points even called me scum. Of course I am goign to stand up for myself. Dont give me this shit about taking a break; I did, and as soon as people join into the thread, look at the first thing Oats "DEMANDS" of them. Feedback on the feud, hes the one who cant move on. Your last comment is a misinterpretation: What I wrote was reference to Mocsta/Palmar being scum (one of the two active participants = me out of mocsta/oats) What if I had picked up yamato ? Would you refuse to join me then ? The fact that I picked Oats randomly only engages me, and if you join my lynch or not engages you. It's only non-committal for me, and I wouldn't even say it's fully non-committal. And it appeared that you had Oats as scum, even if you deny having him as scum, so I really suspect you to have wanted to paint him in red. Anyway, you don't tell people what makes their post scummy, you don't tell them what is a scum tell for you. Town players doesn't do this, they push scum to make the mistake that is going to allow them to nail them. So either you wanted to paint Oats in red (without joining his lynch), either you were trying to coach him the hard way. I don't see the town motivation for doing any of this. Yes I would refuse to join you on RNG yamato, (1) Because I wouldnt join you in a RNG at any point and on any one. and (2) Yamato hadnt entered the game yet. Im not voting for someone I cant get a read on. Right, you seem to be the only person saying I had Oats as scum (aside from Oats). I have said I was defending myself, and guess what, other people commenting on the situation have also said I was defending myself and right to call him out. Your points are weak, and Im starting to think your intentionally shitting up the thread. You are constantly pussy footing about my "reaction to RNG"; why dont you just be a man and make your case. At least Yamato had the stones to attempt a case. & What a load of crap about keeping scum tells to yourself. The whole point of making a case is identifying scum tells and providing reasoning behind the motive to why it is a tell.This comment that we keep scum tells to ourselves has to be the stupidest comment I have read this entire game. Why are you spewing so much bullshit Djo? Are you trying to bury that Jay and me have issues with JX and his sole post? Are you trying to bury my case against Yamato? Perhaps your just trying to bury something else I have not noticed yet... either way, your contributions are still lacking. Okay, let me explain to you clearly once again, because either you don't understand the case I'm trying to convey, either you are doing this on purpose. Let's imagine that you are town and Oats is scum. You should never tell him, "oh, by the way, you are mimicking your scum post structure" if you don't attack him for this. What if Oats is scum ? He can correct himself without being really called for it. So either your early post concerning Oats were attacks against him that you don't want to take the responsibility for (what I'm thinking and that would be coming from scum Mocsta), either it was some way for you to start a flame war with Oats and make the thread unreadable (also coming from scum Mocsta) or either it is a very poor way of playing town. And I'm not trying to divert anything from anything, my main concerns right now are Palmar and you.
Djodref, lets look at the situation holistically.
Oats town, Mocsta scum: This is the situation in Newbie 35; and is the meta argument both Oats and Yamato presented. This has been refuted by myself already, in addition to several others who (I assume) are not aware of my meta. It is clear my tone in addressing Oats is not with the intention to flame. This is refuted.
Oats scum, Mocsta town This is the situation in Mafia LIX; and I made meta comments to Oats regarding this game. I dont think this scenario applies either. Oats and I minimal had banter in LIX, but it did not manifest itself the way it is this game at all.
Oats was a lot more reserved as scum in LIX and at one point ignored my meta case on him all together. Hes not ignoring anything this game. I think this is refuted.
Oats scum, Mocsta scum I dont see this as viable. Yes bussing is a viable strategy; but I think the main reason Oats and I continued the feud is because nobody else interjected [enough]. Whether this is due to observers or timezone difference, who knows. It doesnt matter; if anyone thinks me and Oats simulated that "feud" we should get a mafia 2013 award. I think this is refuted.
The fact is, me n oats have personal differences in how we approach life in general. Whatever game we are in, we will be polar opposites, and lead to this type of situation. I tried to be the bigger man and walk away, but I was lured in each time. Thats my fault and I do take responsibility for it. But if you think I was not being antagonised to respond, I think your intentionally misreading the thread status quo.
Oats town, Mocsta town When you are town, you have nothing to lose and can push your tunneled bias without being intimidated. Sounds pretty much like what Oats and myself did.
Oats doesnt like my approach to the game; as I said before, he is more of a loner type player.
Guess what, I dont like Oats approach & I actually do believe in fostering a collaborative environment - even though I admit my actions have unfortunately not aided in this occurring. I think holisitically this is the most likely scenario of Oats and myself. The feud between us is due to personal differences, and both of us need to make more of an effort to accept that and not react so hastily.
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Djo, I think that you have rallied on about these perceptions now for several posts.
I am concerned because I think they have been addressed either directly to you (or others).
I think you are intentionally over-inflating matters, to keep me in the limelight.
Palmer is an easy choice to advocate for lynch; he has 2 or 3 posts which are completely trollish in nature.
Your choice on me is easy as well; the feud between oats/myself created a lot of heat, especially as most players chose to talk about it to me, and not oats.
The points you raise on me,conveniently have all been raised by others first; you are essentially summarising and producing no new content.
You are quickly elevating up my scum list and I am giving serious thought to swap my vote.
I want to see your opinions on something different in the thread, than what others have said.
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@Djodref
Considering JX and you have a commonality ( a vote interest on me)
What do you make of JX case on me. Do you agree with it?
Do you think this is the substantial contribution of a town player? If so, i would like to know what I am missing that you see clearly.
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On February 07 2013 12:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Djo,
Seriously what were you thinking going for a random lynch? Was it your intention to actually random lynch some guy, generate discussion, draw out scum, yadda yadda? It irks me because I've never seen you (or anyone) have the balls to suggest doing it.
@ Cheese
Did you see the statistic gathered by kitaman (clicky) regarding the average D1 scum lynch on TL ?
Here is the interesting part !
On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote:
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Mafia players are lynched 21.1% of the time on day one.
Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 24.6% of the time.
44% of players playing in a newbie game have returned to play in at least 1 other game.
There have been 931 distinct mafia players.
And finally my favorite stat...
VisceraEyes has survived until endgame twice out of 36 games (5.56%). The highest survival percentage is 60%.
Feel free to share any suggestions for improvements that you may have. Hope you all enjoy!
In this game, random lynching would have around 31% chance to hit mafia on day 1 !
From my point ow view, it is a good as one chance over three. It's far better than our expected chance to lynch mafia. That's why I thought that his game was good to experiment with random lynching. It turns out that I had bad luck with my randomization with Oats. The goal was to generate discussion, but it also kinda failed >.<
Anyway, what do you think on Mocsta ?
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Well Mocsta is playing DIFFERENTLY than in XXXV, so Im not saying that he isnt scum, Im saying that that is not the reason that he is scum if he actually is scum.
I would expect you to pick up on that as town, and intentionally misread him if you are scum. or you could be bad.
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