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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 03 2012 01:40 FourFace wrote: @strongandbig .. I'm sorry. @Solohan50 So where do we go from here? Did I go too far down the wifom rabbit hole? My main point was to answer kohbee's claim that we could go from the vote on him to such a small list of potential scum, and that it's a bit more complicated than he made it out to be. | ||
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Kohbee
United States155 Posts
On April 03 2012 02:17 FourFace wrote: Why do you make people think for you? Why can't you just say HiroPro is not a confirmed townie.. is it really that hard. It's so frustrating with you that I just want to win this game right away. I would like to wait for a time when everyone is active so we can discuss if we should all claim along with actions and everything and then lynch Kohbee. Think about the pros and cons and don't let mafia arguments derail what could be an imba maneuver. If you are town this is beyond stupid. all you will do is out a doc or jailor if there is one. Stop throwing out your easy-win plans. I want to know who solohan is refering to when he says On top of that, Kohbee spent the whole day trying to lynch a townie. Why can't he just answer? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 03 2012 02:23 Kohbee wrote: If you are town this is beyond stupid. all you will do is out a doc or jailor if there is one. Stop throwing out your easy-win plans. Also mafia can just counter-claim and then we're even more confused than before | ||
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Solohan50
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Kohbee
United States155 Posts
On April 03 2012 02:39 Solohan50 wrote: I think it was pretty apparent by my post who I was referring to, but I'll reiterate it just for you, Kohbee. You were pushing for Therapist to get lynched, and you got it by bandwagoning him with your roleclaim. I actually just called him scum and told him I didn't want to talk to him because I thought as much. I would like you to notice that I was open to many different lynch options including yourself. I don't know why you are choosing to lie to justify your vote. It seems rather... scummy. | ||
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Kohbee
United States155 Posts
On April 03 2012 02:39 Solohan50 wrote: I think it was pretty apparent by my post who I was referring to, but I'll reiterate it just for you, Kohbee. You were pushing for Therapist to get lynched, and you got it by bandwagoning him with your roleclaim. Btw the tone of this post screams scum. | ||
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omnomMuffins
United States255 Posts
I have Grubby talking on stream about my work hours for an alibi people that are refusing to believe that I actually wasn't doing the ONOG stuff (which I said I wouldn't be very active until today BEFORE roles were handed to remind you of that). Starting at the beginning of the thread in an in depth read and taking notes now  Sorry for the afkness, apparently running, producing, admining and caster wrangling a tournament by yourself actually take about all your time. | ||
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FourFace
701 Posts
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Kohbee
United States155 Posts
On April 03 2012 03:42 omnomMuffins wrote: Okay guys I'm finally up and awake. I have Grubby talking on stream about my work hours for an alibi people that are refusing to believe that I actually wasn't doing the ONOG stuff (which I said I wouldn't be very active until today BEFORE roles were handed to remind you of that). Starting at the beginning of the thread in an in depth read and taking notes now Sorry for the afkness, apparently running, producing, admining and caster wrangling a tournament by yourself actually take about all your time. what is the point of this. We know. every post is about you eventually posting... just do it. | ||
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FourFace
701 Posts
On April 03 2012 02:20 strongandbig wrote: Did I go too far down the wifom rabbit hole? My main point was to answer kohbee's claim that we could go from the vote on him to such a small list of potential scum, and that it's a bit more complicated than he made it out to be. No I'm actually saying it makes sense.. this part particularly On April 03 2012 01:33 Solohan50 wrote: A last minute vote-switch to the Therapist bandwagon would be the perfect place for scum to hide. It gives them all the credibility in the world, even if they have to miss out on the supposed "Cop". What better way to pretend you're not scum than to say "But I saved the Cop at the end?". It makes even more sense if you think the roleclaim is false and that Kohbee is actually scum. If he is indeed scum, I'm willing to bet that his scum buddy switched vote at the last minute when he realized that the lynch vote was going to take Kohbee out first day. On top of that, Kohbee spent the whole day trying to lynch a townie. But the very last sentence is something Kohbee doesn't understand. I've explained it to him but he's too .. uhmm.. idn occupied with his emotions to understand it. He was actually voting for HiroPro the whole day not Therapist, but if in your eyes HiroPro is a confirmed townie or something it makes sense from your point of view but not from his .. so he should ask if HiroPro is confirmed townie in your opinion. But he's just like a caveman demanding you to explain something that doesn't exist the way he understood it. Anyway. it's not wifom because it has an end, an ultimate argument but you kind of dropped it with that last sentence I quoted. And what does Kohbee do .. he dances around it all day without going in to your main consideration. I got a whole page with additional reasons all pointing out how idiotic his behaviour is but in the end.. there is no purpose to riding around on him all night. We should pick up on it on day2, something tells me he'll still be alive and one of us will be dead and it won't say anything about if Kohbee is scum or town. I just hate to think some scumbag is just lurking around all day and winning this by letting us cut eachother's throats. I'd cut marv's throat though.. why wouldn't he let me interrogate him further? On April 03 2012 01:14 marvellosity wrote: Anyway, can we move on to something a little more... productive? & On April 03 2012 01:18 marvellosity wrote: Let's start poking people! Could someone please put this guy in jail or something because he's superbad at this game if he's town and superscum if he's scum. I'm literally enumerating his scumness and he tells me to stop it beacuse he wants to poke people. Hasn't said anything since. Except of course: On April 03 2012 02:20 strongandbig wrote: Did I go too far down the wifom rabbit hole? My main point was to answer kohbee's claim that we could go from the vote on him to such a small list of potential scum, and that it's a bit more complicated than he made it out to be. No I'm actually saying it makes sense.. this part particularly On April 03 2012 01:33 Solohan50 wrote: A last minute vote-switch to the Therapist bandwagon would be the perfect place for scum to hide. It gives them all the credibility in the world, even if they have to miss out on the supposed "Cop". What better way to pretend you're not scum than to say "But I saved the Cop at the end?". It makes even more sense if you think the roleclaim is false and that Kohbee is actually scum. If he is indeed scum, I'm willing to bet that his scum buddy switched vote at the last minute when he realized that the lynch vote was going to take Kohbee out first day. On top of that, Kohbee spent the whole day trying to lynch a townie. But the very last sentence is something Kohbee doesn't understand. I've explained it to him but he's too .. uhmm.. idn occupied with his emotions to understand it. He was actually voting for HiroPro the whole day not Therapist, but if in your eyes HiroPro is a confirmed townie or something it makes sense from your point of view but not from his .. so he should ask if HiroPro is confirmed townie in your opinion. But he's just like a caveman demanding you to explain something that doesn't exist the way he understood it. Anyway. it's not wifom because it has an end, an ultimate argument but you kind of dropped it with that last sentence I quoted. And what does Kohbee do .. he dances around it all day without going in to your main consideration. I got a whole page with additional reasons all pointing out how idiotic his behaviour is but in the end.. there is no purpose to riding around on him all night. We should pick up on it on day2, something tells me he'll still be alive and one of us will be dead and it won't say anything about if Kohbee is scum or town. I just hate to think some scumbag is just lurking around all day and winning this by letting us cut eachother's throats. I'd cut marv's throat though.. why wouldn't he let me interrogate him further? On April 03 2012 01:14 marvellosity wrote: Anyway, can we move on to something a little more... productive? & On April 03 2012 01:18 marvellosity wrote: Let's start poking people! Could someone please put this guy in jail or something because he's superbad at this game if he's town and superscum if he's scum. I'm literally enumerating his scumness and he tells me to stop it beacuse he wants to poke people. Hasn't said anything since Except of course: [/QUOTE] Also mafia can just counter-claim and then we're even more confused than before [/QUOTE] which means he is active but can't figure out how to do something more productive than me pointing out a ton of scumness on my suspects and watching their reaction. Still doesn't like me doing it though. You figure it out. | ||
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FourFace
701 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Your plan with everyone claiming roles is literally the worst plan ever invented in TL Mafia. | ||
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Kohbee
United States155 Posts
Also, On April 03 2012 02:39 Solohan50 wrote: I think it was pretty apparent by my post who I was referring to, but I'll reiterate it just for you, Kohbee. You were pushing for Therapist to get lynched, and you got it by bandwagoning him with your roleclaim. makes everything you just said about me wrong | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On April 02 2012 21:57 FourFace wrote: 7-10 minutes before the lynch my brain worked out this genuinely true piece of information judging by the constellation of the votes: Kohbee&Solohan50 Kohbee&strongandbig Kohbee&Therapist .. can't possibly be THE scumpair. I agree with this. Mafia partners would not vote for each other on day 1 in a close vote. On April 02 2012 23:00 KharadBanar wrote: Can we please wait for the night to develop before we get deeper into analysis here? If there is a medic or jailkeeper, they will probably know what to do by now. When we have the additional information of who did or did not get nightkilled this may well be quite a bit easier to understand. Town has to talk. It is the only way we can find scum. Fourface - I don't like the mass claim idea. Scum can find out jailer/doctor, while town gains absolutely nothing, especially considering that we are not even sure of what roles exist. Marvelosity, you said that you had no idea who to vote for. I don't believe that at all. If you didn't know, there was no way you would have switched votes right when it mattered the most. What are your reads? Omnomnom is scummy as hell, but I think everyone knows that. And nothing that Kohbee and solohan have said today has made any sense. Kohbee ignores what other people say, while it doesn't look like solohan represented anything that happened the first day correctly. Both of them are possible scum (obviously only one of them can be scum for the reason that FourFace posted). | ||
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Kohbee
United States155 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
That kind of post isn't productive. It doesn't get us any closer to figuring out whether or not you are scum. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 03 2012 05:43 HiroPro wrote: Marvelosity, you said that you had no idea who to vote for. I don't believe that at all. If you didn't know, there was no way you would have switched votes right when it mattered the most. What are your reads? My vote history was Solohan (lurker) -> Fourface (protest) -> no-one -> Therapist So it wasn't the case of a last minute switch, it was a case that I had to choose between two options to lynch at the time. I also said at the time that I thought therapist was slightly townie, but he had slightly more of a chance of being mafia, which I now believe to be probably not true; at least from my perspective Kohbee claiming blue could have been a desperate scum claim (I appreciated this); what I did not appreciate until a little later was that claiming blue as the blue was not a good idea anyway. I don't like omnom's posting, if he spent half as much time making a real post as he has apologising for not doing so, we might have actually got SOMETHING from him by now. Maybe depending on the night's actions, I think there is possibly a case against kohbee. I don't think kohbee/therapist really had any case on each other, it started so early based on so little. Therapist was at least consistent and we know he didn't have adverse motives, but he suffered from a lack of posting (that is why I chose to vote therapist at the time). Fourface is either the ballsiest mafia ever but the much more likely read is that he's town. I think he has been too spammy (put-downs, pointless questions) and also his blue claim plan is just a terrible town play... but I don't think mafia could be as ballsy as to suggest it, so town. He's also going after me quite a bit which ironically makes him more town in my eyes - if he were mafia, I can't say he should be seeing me as a threat, as my play hasn't been great so far, so he'd have no reason to target me. There has been some confusing posting in the Night, but I'm not inclined to heavily sift through filters until we know the result of the Night actions. | ||
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Kohbee
United States155 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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