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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On November 29 2011 16:29 Bart wrote: thank you for the articles. Awesome recap of the event. gotta agree that MLG columbus was the best and left me with goosebumps. Columbus crowd deserves to be the first stop for the 2012 season! | ||
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RenSC2
United States1100 Posts
On November 29 2011 14:01 FakeDeath wrote: How the heck is the The Great Bambino Milgie for Most Dominant Performance given to Naniwa in MLG Dallas 2011. Naniwa run through the open bracket to the finals was amazing but you forgotten to include that there was no Koreans in his path. The open bracket in Providence is way more stacked and tougher than in MLG Dallas 2011. Although Leenock did lose to DRG in the winners bracket, he crushes through Idra,Huk,MMA,MVP,Boxer,DRG and beat Naniwa in the finals which make him the only player coming out of the losers bracket to win the championship .To me that is way more impressive than Naniwa runs in MLG Dallas 2011. It's all about the definition of "dominant". Let's say that through some twist of fate, MVP ended up in a Bronze-only tournament. MVP would absolutely DOMINATE (<--notice that word) that tournament. Would it be impressive? Not really, a ton of people could do it. But it would be extremely dominant. Now let's say that MMA went through GSL Code S, dropped a game in the group stage, and went 2-1, 3-2, 3-1, and 4-1 with a lot of close games even in his wins to take the championship. Was it dominant? NO! Was it impressive, absolutely. The fictitious MVP run through a Bronze tournament would be more dominant than the MMA run through Code S. However, the MMA run through Code S was a lot more impressive. Likewise, the Naniwa run through Dallas was more dominant than Leenock who dropped a set and a few other games, but the Leenock run was more impressive because it was against much harder opponents. Hope that clears it up. | ||
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LastDance
New Zealand510 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/MLGProvidenceDay3/silverfire/Party/501_02456_t.jpg) Thanks for sharing your photos. | ||
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
How is DDE a no name? Ostojjiy (or however you spell his name  )? Gatored? Really? I think you're underrated the team ItsGosu.And I don't think that anyone thinks that Destiny should've won his series lol. | ||
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Ozcollo
United States154 Posts
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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Noispaxen
Poland150 Posts
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
However i do think its not 100% fault of players, but its just the lack of a full-time coach. It was the same for the house in Sweden which seemed to be more of a dorm then an actual pro-gamer house. Best thing which could come out of it is to motivate EG to prove everyone wrong by showing up with results (besides the usual Puma,Huk,Idra ones) | ||
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martstar
10 Posts
I can´t understand why commentators and news writer have to love every tournament, every player and every team. It`s not true and it`s dishonest. I don`t want flamewars and i am not talking about the fans i am talking about beeing honest and writing articles once in a while to criticize something that is worth criticizing. And don`t say or write something that is the lowest common denominator (sorry for my bad english hope u understand what I mean), that everybody can agree on like nestea is awesome. Criticizing something is not bad for SC2 or esports it will help it grow and that`s what commentators and news writers should do. Maybe they are not neutral enough. Commentators are involved with many tournaments and teams - TL news writer are member auf the SC2 Team. Maybe everybody is to close so nobody wants to upset anyone else. Do you guys really think that if there are disagreements on anything (other then one unit is too strong) the community would fall into pieces ? I don`t, but most officials do ? (tournament, commentators, teams, newswriters ... ) or just don`t want to be the "bad" one who breaks the "harmony".... that`s very sad and counterproductive... | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10979 Posts
The vibe that I get from EG's "not bought allready good" lineup is... There was never a true reason to pick any of them or I seem to have totally missed their "dominating play" during beta. Incontrol got the community guy thing and so on going for him and that alone is probably worth it... But the others? Liquid did it similar.. But starting off with a Teamhouse, even when it ended up as being a failure for most of them, gave them a kickstart to some decent/very good results early on and made every one of them competetive (at least at the top foreigner level). Not all of them have won tourneys, but they for sure looked better than their EG counterparts (at least I feel that way). So the actual question is: Can a Teamhouse make top tier pros out of low tier pros? At the moment the answer is? Can you create a "true" progamer out of an above average player? Can you overcome "talent" with "effort"? At the moment it seems like: No, you can't. Btw: The only guy that got "blind picked" by a truly big team, due to former success whiteout showing results in beta, that was "worth" it, was Ret. | ||
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Dakkon B
United States60 Posts
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1Lamb1Rice
United States435 Posts
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
I wish I could have been in that bar. Looks like good company. Great choice on all the awards. Thanks for reminding me of a few classics. | ||
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ewicexclamationpoint
United States4 Posts
Linky! | ||
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confusedcrib
United States1307 Posts
Evil Geniuses, specifically iNcontroL, Axslav, Strifecro, Idra, Huk, Puma, Machine, Demuslim, LZGamer and SirScoots for putting what was an unsubstantiated personal thought onto such a high pedestal as TeamLiquid news dde, Spanishiwa, State, Ostojiy, Syckness, Agh, HeavenOnearth, Binski, Ruff13, and Forbs for understating their level of skill in referring to them as "No Names," they are some of my favorite players, and I made extremely poor word choice. Haypro and Illusion for leaving out their amazing tournament runs Hot_Bid and Nazgul, for tarnishing TeamLiquid's name and calling the quality of our news into question Heyoka and WaxAngel, whose editing skills are what makes TL news as good as it is, and have the right to expect more from their writers All of the writers and mods for TeamLiquid, in producing poor quality content I brought a bad name to the amazing quality content that you all make our standard. Statement: Upon further reflection, I owe everyone here an apology. When I originally posted the article, I knew there was something wrong with it, and chose to ignore it over Thanksgiving weekend rather than giving it the extra time it needed.That article was not worthy of TeamLiquid's news, and did not have anywhere close to the amount of research behind it that it should have. I put everyone here in a terrible situation diplomatically and personally, inciting anger from both fans of TeamLiquid and other professionals in the industry. I'm especially sorry to Heyoka, for he should be able to trust the content coming out of writers to be good, and I fell vastly short of expectations. The article was clearly below the standards held by both TeamLiquid and myself, and I will do my best to insure that every article I write in the future gets the scrutiny and attention to detail that TeamLiquid precedents. I hope I have written enough good content in the past that my name as a writer was not completely destroyed by this incident; I did not intend to get my name in the community by screwing up so badly, I am truly sorry. | ||
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buzzkill568
Canada56 Posts
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ViperaViRuS
United States82 Posts
On November 30 2011 02:02 confusedcrib wrote: I would like to personally apologize to the following people: Evil Geniuses, specifically iNcontroL, Axslav, Strifecro, Idra, Huk, Puma, Machine, Demuslim, LZGamer and SirScoots for putting what was an unsubstantiated personal thought onto such a high pedestal as TeamLiquid news dde, Spanishiwa, State, Ostojiy, Syckness, Agh, HeavenOnearth, Binski, Ruff13, and Forbs for understating their level of skill in referring to them as "No Names," they are some of my favorite players, and I made extremely poor word choice. Haypro and Illusion for leaving out their amazing tournament runs Hot_Bid and Nazgul, for tarnishing TeamLiquid's name and calling the quality of our news into question Heyoka and WaxAngel, whose editing skills are what makes TL news as good as it is, and have the right to expect more from their writers All of the writers and mods for TeamLiquid, in producing poor quality content I brought a bad name to the amazing quality content that you all make our standard. Statement: Upon further reflection, I owe everyone here an apology. When I originally posted the article, I knew there was something wrong with it, and chose to ignore it over Thanksgiving weekend rather than giving it the extra time it needed.That article was not worthy of TeamLiquid's news, and did not have anywhere close to the amount of research behind it that it should have. I put everyone here in a terrible situation diplomatically and personally, inciting anger from both fans of TeamLiquid and other professionals in the industry. I'm especially sorry to Heyoka, for he should be able to trust the content coming out of writers to be good, and I fell vastly short of expectations. The article was clearly below the standards held by both TeamLiquid and myself, and I will do my best to insure that every article I write in the future gets the scrutiny and attention to detail that TeamLiquid precedents. I hope I have written enough good content in the past that my name as a writer was not completely destroyed by this incident; I did not intend to get my name in the community by screwing up so badly, I am truly sorry. I'm not going to lie, I was literally about to hop on the bandwagon of, "what the hell? How can you put opinion in for half of your article and allow that in the TL news article?" Then I noticed this post and I stopped and realized, you made a mistake, you're human, it happens. It was Thanksgiving break, no one ever wants to actually do work over the break and thus puts out what is necessary of them and may not in fact be their best work. I do thoroughly appreciate how you state the individual players you directly would apologize to. Cheers for at least realizing your mistake and owning up to it. If only more individuals in life could do the same thing. | ||
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Dakkon B
United States60 Posts
On November 30 2011 02:02 confusedcrib wrote: I would like to personally apologize to the following people: Evil Geniuses, specifically iNcontroL, Axslav, Strifecro, Idra, Huk, Puma, Machine, Demuslim, LZGamer and SirScoots for putting what was an unsubstantiated personal thought onto such a high pedestal as TeamLiquid news dde, Spanishiwa, State, Ostojiy, Syckness, Agh, HeavenOnearth, Binski, Ruff13, and Forbs for understating their level of skill in referring to them as "No Names," they are some of my favorite players, and I made extremely poor word choice. Haypro and Illusion for leaving out their amazing tournament runs Hot_Bid and Nazgul, for tarnishing TeamLiquid's name and calling the quality of our news into question Heyoka and WaxAngel, whose editing skills are what makes TL news as good as it is, and have the right to expect more from their writers All of the writers and mods for TeamLiquid, in producing poor quality content I brought a bad name to the amazing quality content that you all make our standard. Statement: Upon further reflection, I owe everyone here an apology. When I originally posted the article, I knew there was something wrong with it, and chose to ignore it over Thanksgiving weekend rather than giving it the extra time it needed.That article was not worthy of TeamLiquid's news, and did not have anywhere close to the amount of research behind it that it should have. I put everyone here in a terrible situation diplomatically and personally, inciting anger from both fans of TeamLiquid and other professionals in the industry. I'm especially sorry to Heyoka, for he should be able to trust the content coming out of writers to be good, and I fell vastly short of expectations. The article was clearly below the standards held by both TeamLiquid and myself, and I will do my best to insure that every article I write in the future gets the scrutiny and attention to detail that TeamLiquid precedents. I hope I have written enough good content in the past that my name as a writer was not completely destroyed by this incident; I did not intend to get my name in the community by screwing up so badly, I am truly sorry. Don't worry about it. Your human (or are you!?) You admitted you messed up then you manned up and apologized. Far as I'm concerned all is forgiven. Please keep up the work. | ||
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ArchDC
Malaysia1996 Posts
On November 30 2011 05:16 Dakkon B wrote: Don't worry about it. Your human (or are you!?) You admitted you messed up then you manned up and apologized. Far as I'm concerned all is forgiven. Please keep up the work. Amen. It was a learning experience, and TL as a site will only get better because of it. | ||
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legaton
France1763 Posts
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