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[MLG] Providence - Finale - Page 20

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We have issued a clarification to this article after discussion with staff, read here - Heyoka
mikkeld
Profile Joined July 2011
27 Posts
November 29 2011 03:26 GMT
#381
On November 29 2011 11:48 BlueBoxSC wrote: I don't think that spending hundreds of thousands on that house (Yeah, AZ is that expensive) was worth it. Then again, we don't know the money.


They are renting.
ChiIIgetoutGG
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada101 Posts
November 29 2011 03:42 GMT
#382
Ubber nice article, highlighted the best topics at an MLG event + pictures are awesome. Great work TL!
"Seriously quit this business already, you are immature, not even good caster and TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOUR GENDER."
NipponBanzai
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada518 Posts
November 29 2011 03:51 GMT
#383
On November 29 2011 12:26 mikkeld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 11:48 BlueBoxSC wrote: I don't think that spending hundreds of thousands on that house (Yeah, AZ is that expensive) was worth it. Then again, we don't know the money.


They are renting.


I don't know why people think arizona is that expensive. I own a summer house in arizona and its bigger than my house in calgary and half as cheap.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
November 29 2011 03:56 GMT
#384
On November 29 2011 09:26 heyoka wrote:
After thought and discussion, I realize that section of the article was far too hasty. I've edited in a note to emphasize this is not the official opinion of TL, and that it is my fault as editor that it went out with a slant too heavy for a news piece. This should have been reviewed more carefully and been given a more fair look at the issue, this kind of cursory glance is certainly far from the kind of quality that I try to uphold when looking at events.

Gonna quote this and say that we added some words to clarify the EG part of the article.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Neeh
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway458 Posts
November 29 2011 04:00 GMT
#385
You know, this wouldn't have been a problem at all, if there was no team associated with teamliquid, or if TL had been hadn't been TL at all, but some other massive fansite..

It's kind of a shame you can't have anything official on TL without it gettin' a huge "TL's team" thoughts sticker on it.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 04:05:53
November 29 2011 04:02 GMT
#386
This EG/TL mini-controversy kind of reflects the dilemma that TL faces, as a team, community site and major news source (Kennigit spoke to it quite elegantly on the last SOTG).

It's rare in other sports for a team to shoulder the responsibility of marketing themselves AND generating content AND being the 'arbiters' of objective discourse. Actually it's less than rare. It doesn't happen.

While I can sympathize with EG's/InControl's annoyance, if you imagine that TL is just another sports media site (like ESPN) these kind of op-ed pieces are par for the course. People can and will say worses thing about EG.

darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
November 29 2011 04:34 GMT
#387
The whole EG team house point is ridiculous, they've posted better results and are getting better, surprise surprise incontrol didn't magically become Flash in 3 months! off with all of their heads.

Grow up and stop senseless bashing. this shit has pissed me off even more than the rest of my shitty day.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
LeapofFaith
Profile Joined November 2011
United States446 Posts
November 29 2011 04:45 GMT
#388
Thanks heyoka for (hopefully) clearing up the discrepancies about the EG article and clearing up that TL doesn't exactly agree with the opinions posted by its writers, though maybe they should have had that disclaimer in the beginning, considering confusedcrib himself realized that he was about to be flamed.

On the other hand, I really enjoyed the Leenoctopus and the photos ^^
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
November 29 2011 05:01 GMT
#389
How the heck is the The Great Bambino Milgie for Most Dominant Performance given to Naniwa in MLG Dallas 2011. Naniwa run through the open bracket to the finals was amazing but you forgotten to include that there was no Koreans in his path. The open bracket in Providence is way more stacked and tougher than in MLG Dallas 2011. Although Leenock did lose to DRG in the winners bracket, he crushes through Idra,Huk,MMA,MVP,Boxer,DRG and beat Naniwa in the finals which make him the only player coming out of the losers bracket to win the championship .To me that is way more impressive than Naniwa runs in MLG Dallas 2011.
Play your best
Checkm8
Profile Joined March 2011
Japan627 Posts
November 29 2011 05:06 GMT
#390
I didn't know IdrA flipped off Huk...all I knew was IdrA flipped off MC...
Regenerating brain cells, please wait - - -
Kharnage
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia920 Posts
November 29 2011 05:13 GMT
#391
Putting the drama aside the EG house point is really interesting.

I mean, 3 months is very early to expect results, especially since EG will be writing the rulebook for non-korean team houses. When they put the thing together I wasn't expecting good results until 2012 at the earliest. The improvement to Idra's mindset has been vastly beneficial which I think(?) can be attributed to the team house.

As someone pointed out, where is the coach?
Do they need one?
How much do they practise against each other vs watch each others play and suggest ways to improve?
We actually know very little about how they are running things and what kind of "team" they are. All I really know at this point is that they read a book.

I remember Idra commenting that he and demuslim don't play vs each other much since they run into each other in tournaments which seems kind of weird. I would think they would take a "we may run into each other, but lets try and both improve as much as we can and see what happens on the day" approach over a "but we may run into each other and then you'll know my supa gosu strat!" type thing.

As for people expecting incontrol to suddenly become gosu, how is that meant to happen? As far as I'm aware axslav is the only other protoss there to work with. Huk is in Korea most of the time, which means incontrol is left to his own devices when looking to improve his play.
yujinx
Profile Joined April 2011
10 Posts
November 29 2011 06:11 GMT
#392
Thank you for the pictures ^_^
Skrillex
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada48 Posts
November 29 2011 06:23 GMT
#393
IMpression of this MLG
(P)HerO Gaming face is epic, imposing, intimidating.
(Z)Sheth need to lose some weight ( Not being rude, but I support the idea of healty living helps out greatly performing at anything)
(T)SjoW forehead is getting, long
(T)TLO beard is Awesome
(P)HuK Love you canadian bro

Ya im the kind of guy who comments on pic and not the actual event...

GO (P)KiWiKaKi (Z)SLush

PS. Why do I have the feeling (P)HuK is very arrogant, I didnt see alot of his interviews but the 2-3 I saw showed an arrogant and "full of himself" huk
"Masked call = Hoody answer" -Jeff Lee "So Imma freak out but just a little bit" -iNcontroL
Aristotle7
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States120 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 06:33:24
November 29 2011 06:33 GMT
#394
It's too late, damage been done with the article. Teams really shouldn't be picking on other teams' houses.
Master Terran on NA
FirstGear
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia185 Posts
November 29 2011 06:53 GMT
#395
On November 28 2011 16:39 heyoka wrote:
Only Machine and Axslav's results are remotely explainable, with losses to Nestea, dde, Gatored, and Violet. Even with those two players though, losses to Gatored and dde when you live in a team house are hard to justify.

Who is GoSu.Gatored?


Perform well once, and it could be a fluke, do it twice, and you deserve recognition. At IEM New York, Gatored was able to take out Strelok, DongRaeGu, and oGsTop. At MLG Providence, Gatored took out Axslav and Ganzi, only losing to ViOlet and Leenock, two of the best players at the tournament. The guy is seriously becoming a PvT sniper, with his major tournament wins against Terran including Qxc, Strelok, Top, and now Ganzi. This guy is quickly gaining my attention for his results, and it would be a smart move to pay him more attention in the future.


My favourite part. I originally read this thread when it was much smaller and was pretty outraged at the bias in the article. Since then TL has distanced themselves from the opinion and it seems to have calmed down.

I still find it hilarious they criticise someone for losing to gatored and in the very next paragraph talk about how amazing gatored it.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25977 Posts
November 29 2011 06:56 GMT
#396
On November 29 2011 12:51 NipponBanzai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 12:26 mikkeld wrote:
On November 29 2011 11:48 BlueBoxSC wrote: I don't think that spending hundreds of thousands on that house (Yeah, AZ is that expensive) was worth it. Then again, we don't know the money.


They are renting.


I don't know why people think arizona is that expensive. I own a summer house in arizona and its bigger than my house in calgary and half as cheap.

You own a house in Arizona and Calgary? Er...
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Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
November 29 2011 07:04 GMT
#397
ive always wondered about buying cheap houses in the states and how that stuff all works.
Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
WhatIsHip
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
45 Posts
November 29 2011 07:08 GMT
#398
<3 love all of you. enjoy my pics.
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 07:52:22
November 29 2011 07:15 GMT
#399
Pretty pathetic idea to put in the piece about the EG team house...

They're the only team outside of Korea with a house so they have no model to work off and are testing it from scratch. If their players and team are happy with it then surely they alone can justify if it is worth it, I think it's important to note that EG make more money than other teams and therefore can afford this expenditure.

On top of this it allows them to give PuMa and HuK a place to stay while they are in the states, as an added extra LzGamer doesn't stay in the house and yet you bring his results in to question also?

Just.... poor journalism and completely out of place when considered with the theme of the overall article, would anyone have written this after Orlando where EG took 1st, 4th and 7th without having DeMusliM available.

Here's their team results, please show me any non Korean team that comes close...

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Evil_Geniuses/Results

What if I'd written a piece on DreamHack which half way through the article said "Finally a decent TL result" and went on to say utter crap that since Jinro won MLG Dallas nearly a year ago nobody currently a part of TL has done anything up to their level and multiple players of theirs have fallen off their peaks.

Would that get published?

It's all very well to put these editor and review notes as hindsight but if you state this is not the place for it, that it should be developed more than one paragraph and shouldn't have been put up in it's current form if it had been reviewed fully then why on earth have you not edited out the entire section?

EDIT: I've just gone and read over the last article you wrote (about the previous MLG) and in there you say the "winners" are EG and the "losers" every non-EG north american player. Have some consistency! Unless you fully expect EG to win every event where one of their players show up to you can't truthfully hold the opinions you do in both articles, can you?
@followMVT
Bart
Profile Joined November 2010
494 Posts
November 29 2011 07:29 GMT
#400
thank you for the articles. Awesome recap of the event.

gotta agree that MLG columbus was the best and left me with goosebumps.
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