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We have issued a clarification to this article after discussion with staff, read here - Heyoka |
On November 30 2011 02:02 confusedcrib wrote:
I would like to personally apologize to the following people:
Evil Geniuses, specifically iNcontroL, Axslav, Strifecro, Idra, Huk, Puma, Machine, Demuslim, LZGamer and SirScoots for putting what was an unsubstantiated personal thought onto such a high pedestal as TeamLiquid news
dde, Spanishiwa, State, Ostojiy, Syckness, Agh, HeavenOnearth, Binski, Ruff13, and Forbs for understating their level of skill in referring to them as "No Names," they are some of my favorite players, and I made extremely poor word choice.
Haypro and Illusion for leaving out their amazing tournament runs
Hot_Bid and Nazgul, for tarnishing TeamLiquid's name and calling the quality of our news into question
Heyoka and WaxAngel, whose editing skills are what makes TL news as good as it is, and have the right to expect more from their writers
All of the writers and mods for TeamLiquid, in producing poor quality content I brought a bad name to the amazing quality content that you all make our standard.
Statement:
Upon further reflection, I owe everyone here an apology. When I originally posted the article, I knew there was something wrong with it, and chose to ignore it over Thanksgiving weekend rather than giving it the extra time it needed.That article was not worthy of TeamLiquid's news, and did not have anywhere close to the amount of research behind it that it should have. I put everyone here in a terrible situation diplomatically and personally, inciting anger from both fans of TeamLiquid and other professionals in the industry. I'm especially sorry to Heyoka, for he should be able to trust the content coming out of writers to be good, and I fell vastly short of expectations. The article was clearly below the standards held by both TeamLiquid and myself, and I will do my best to insure that every article I write in the future gets the scrutiny and attention to detail that TeamLiquid precedents. I hope I have written enough good content in the past that my name as a writer was not completely destroyed by this incident; I did not intend to get my name in the community by screwing up so badly, I am truly sorry.
You know what, it bothers me that you feel like you have to apologize for having an opinion. There's a place for 'objective' journalism, but there is also a place for informed opinion pieces.
I personally did not consider your article malicious or 'controversial' at all, and if it provokes discussion on a discussion board then it's done it's job.
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My problem with it is that it singled out EG without addressing other under-performing players on other teams. Where's the criticism of Liquid's players and practices?
Anyway, the writer apologized and hopefully, future articles would at least be more encompassing if it wants to address issues like this one.
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Apology accepted  not everyone is perfect, just learn from it and move on
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The OP's "news" posting rights should be removed, he/she is right in their groveling apology that bashing post was so bad its not even funny, there really is no place for stuff like that.
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i had nothing wrong with his opinions in the first place. Nothing wrong with asking hard questions like that.
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I love your images, they make me all happy every time I read a new article <3
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I love images, very well taken & we can see nice ambiant
I hope I will know that's an day :|
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There is nothing wrong with asking those kinda of questions but this is not the forum for it. Nor should it be done by a member of TL. It should be done by someone not affiliated with a team. Heck Day9 could do it. Again nothing wrong with this discussion just not here and not by TL on other teams results.
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Great write up and analyze and review, was really interesting reading and I think you had a lot of interesting points!
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While the author, confusedcrib, has apologized for the content of the "Should Team Evil Geniuses Have Established a North American Team House?" and the "Rise of the "No Names"" sections, the rest of his write-up contains equally poor writing.
In the "Are Mvp and Nestea Still the Best Players in the World?" section the author makes a point to refer to these players as Gods with an uppercase 'G' and attempts to construct a pun around this. Yet one sentence earlier he referred to them as gods with a lowercase 'g':
But the two gods showed their vulnerability at Providence.
I knew that the big - "g" Gods may actually be lower case ones ...
He then ends this section with a terrible picture of Artosis that seems out of place given the wonderful illustration at the beginning of the article and the beautiful photographs at the end of the article.
The unintentional humour due to the juxtaposition of the "Who is GoSu.Gatored?" section with the EG section has been pointed out here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=289749¤tpage=20#395
The "Hero or Huk?" section contains this gem:
If there is one thing I know, it's that there may now be a Hero Huk rivalry in affect.
This reads as: "The one thing I know is nonsense." This is because the author didn't take the time to proofread his sentence and confuses the word "affect" for "effect."
The "The Big Upsets" section has been heavily criticized throughout this thread and I won't repeat any of those points here.
Compare this piece by confusedcrib to the "[SPL] Proleague 2011 - 2012 Season Preview" published three days earlier in the TL featured news section. The Proleague preview is both gorgeous and very well-written. It looks and reads better than most magazines that you can buy at the newsstand. In contrast, confusedcrib's section contains a blurry picture of Artosis and content that the author himself has apologized for. Given all of the above and the fact that in his apology the author has stated that the "article was not worthy of TeamLiquid's news" I see no reason why the section by confusedcrib shouldn't be removed from the Providence write-up.
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Confusedcrib would you say providence.....confused you?
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Since when are ostojiy, state, and dde no names?
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I got banned for posting an image macro day 2 of mlg dallas 
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Personally I prefer a diversity of opinions than the illusion of "false objectivity."
Let's get real, all journalism and reporting is, to a certain extent, biased and selective. If an opinion is reasoned and informed, why not publish it, even if does ruffle a few feathers?
It's not like TL doesn't give us all ample opportunity to debate the validity of someone's opinion.
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2 EG players in the top 10 of the most competitive tournament to date as of this article having been written.
EG house was a bad idea?
what?
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On November 29 2011 09:52 mikkeld wrote:
Some people don't seem to understand the effects sitting next to your teammates has, even if all their are doing is ladder, (which I don't think is true). There is a huge difference in motivation that goes on by being physically near your teammates and seeing all the practicing they are doing. It is much much easier to slack off if you are on your own but if you are slacking off in a team house you know all those eyes are on you.
There is also a degree of motivation to put out results based on the investment into the house by your team so you don't want that investment to be wasted.
I also think some people are over emphasizing the benefit of a coach. They are essentially players, and not even the best players due to how little they can practice in comparison, who help other players. This is something that teammates can do to each other. Probably the main benefit to a coach is that it is their job to do that helping so the players can spend a bit more time practicing rather than playing mini coach. For the number of people who live in the EG house I don't think a coach is that necessary.
thanks for repeating a quote from idra, real original
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This feels like a kind of censorship, in my opinion. Everything you say against the progress of eSports will be muted. Fact is; the way the EG house was hyped, after this it didn't deliver the steps forward you would think it would provide in any of the EG players. It is questionable EG.HuK and EG.PuMa did benefit from the EG house. The most improved player after living in the EG house must be EG.IdrA, who stated his better play mostly came from a conversation he had with one of the EG managers about his mannerisms and attitude towards the game(?) Another player who did improve was EG.DeMusliM, but i believe he was always a prodigy for SC2 and he would've been at his level recovering from his arm injury no matter what kind of practice environment he had during his recovery.
I don't see what's wrong with confusedcrib's opinion on the EG house, which i think is shared by a lot of teamliquid.net readers and members. Sure it might ruffle some feathers here and there and sure it might be against iNcontrol who was vouching for being all-out-positive towards companies sponsoring eSports teams and players in his blog. I do think the EG house is a big step forward for eSport in Europe and American societies, but for now it has few to none results to show for and i totally back confusedcrib on his opinion and i don't think he has anything to make an apology for.
Just let me post another example: If somebody stated in upcoming article on DH that Grubby's stint in Korea didn't bring him the promissing results everybody expected from one of the best Warcraft 3 players ever in Starcraft 2 with Korean-alike practice. Would anybody really fall over it and practically force the writer to apologize afterwards?
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I don't agree that an apology was necessary at all....
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On November 30 2011 08:27 Aberu wrote:
2 EG players in the top 10 of the most competitive tournament to date as of this article having been written.
EG house was a bad idea?
what?
Ok they are good but you honestly should have used a better arguement. Getting giving a spot and dodging the brutal code A qualifiers is not exactly an achievement.
Should have used MLG results tbh.
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