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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On August 20 2011 17:01 Curu wrote: what the fuck u won a perfect score because we were all fucking retarded and lynched ace u liar Tone, gentlemen, tone. There's no need to use fuck twice in one sentence. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
I will be good Townie tmrw | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
To the guy above me, don't do post by post analysis of players. Noone reads them. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
Also, Im gonna say it again: QuickSilver7's posts are fucking awesome. I dont care if he thinks Im scummy. | ||
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QuickSilver7
Russian Federation69 Posts
On August 20 2011 17:04 Barundar wrote: A foolishness who isn't trolling day 1? What treachery is this? To the guy above me, don't do post by post analysis of players. Noone reads them. :/ clearly you didn't read it because that wasn't a post by post, that was simply illustrating different scummy posts made by different people with an emphasis on xtfftc who I think is scum. If I don't quote scummy posts people won't know what I'm refering to. Now go back and read it. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery" By the way, BrownBear is the person I want dead today. I'm not sure how to interpret what Foolishness is saying, but at least he's right. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
On August 20 2011 17:18 QuickSilver7 wrote: :/ clearly you didn't read it because that wasn't a post by post, that was simply illustrating different scummy posts made by different people with an emphasis on xtfftc who I think is scum. If I don't quote scummy posts people won't know what I'm refering to. Now go back and read it. Just pointing out a simple fact dude. I haven't seen anyone getting lynched over a PBP analysis in the time I've played here. I did read it, but the simple cases against Mig and DB sounds way more convincing to me, and I bet most others  . | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On August 20 2011 16:52 QuickSilver7 wrote: Hi everyone, here are some scummy posts and general observations. First up is Trotske: What this post says: “hey guys I wanna go with the current bandwagon but if my argument against foolishness gains any supporters I’ll be happy to jump ship.” Why is this scummy? Because you’re supposed to vote for the person you believe is most likely to be scum. His vote is on sevryn until he posts more but he says that foolishness needs to post more or he’ll vote him as well. He doesn’t seem to be voting for someone he feels is scum. If you don’t have a good read on someone then don’t vote them, this seems pretty basic. Next up is hiro protagonist: Here are his posts + Show Spoiler + On August 19 2011 13:51 hiro protagonist wrote: this game started all ready? Palmar is scum. See you in the morning! On August 19 2011 13:54 hiro protagonist wrote: QuickSilver7 gets my vote for best opening post. On August 19 2011 13:59 hiro protagonist wrote: your right, I was Trolling. I Was just joining in the fun that was the first few pages of this thread. Be sure that the rest of my posts will look like your first one did. Absolutely worthless if he’s town, great job lurking if he’s scum. I have a slightly scummy read on him atm but there is a better target as I’ll illustrate. Our scum dying today is xtfftc, he does the same thing that Trotske does. So lemme get this straight, he votes Palmar to try and get Palmar to convince him that DB or BB are scum? He doesn’t even think Palmar is scum but he’s fine killing him if it means “one less player who throws arbitrary accusations around” Townies throw accusations around not mafia, mafia want to lurk where they won’t be seen. He also picks DB and BB as people who he’d switch to if Palmar magically convinces him that one of them is scum. However he doesn’t give any reasons why he’d vote for these people other than a very vague reference to DB’s “behavior.” Look who’s throwing around arbitrary accusations now. Xtfftc is the scummiest person in my eyes so let’s look beyond this post. Here is another: Woa red flags going up all over the place, for context xtfftc was posting some troll crap at the beginning about democracy and random stuff which Curu called him out on. Firstly he says he has nothing to add, bad bad bad, as a townie you can always add to the discussion. For context, this post comes in the middle of a discussion about lynching lurkers and different lynch organization techniques. A townie should have lots to say on this subject, after the lynch is how we’re killing scum. Yet xtfftc doesn’t address any of this and skates by with a very neutral “as long as we're all active, all is good.” Then he drops the bomb “I'd just bear in mind that people don't want to die, even in a game” a townie would be happy to die, every townie that dies at night is a blue that didn’t get sniped (or a medic failure lolol  ). Townies should have no fear of death and be contributing as much as possible, any reticence towards posting indicates something to hide and that indicates scum.Anyway next post: The nested quotes here show the little exchange about democracy I was talking about earlier. Now I would have let that whole thing go as early game trolling and not taken anything he said seriously, but rather then say “oh hey nbd I was just trolling”, xtfftc chooses to defend his comments which means he meant them, if he mean them than GeyMist’s argument for xtfftc’s posts being scummy is suddenly relevant. Beyond the democracy exchange this post also rehashes stuff others have been saying about lurkers and town KP, adding nothing new to the table. The very definition of CWC. My vote is going on xtfftc. He’s made several scummy posts and contradictions and his lynch reasoning is truly appalling. The other people I mentioned earlier in this post are good secondary targets, FOS on all of them as I’ll be pushing for them tomorrow. Random closing thoughts I agree with Foolishness on Mig, I won’t repost his argument here. Currently facing modkill are: darkponcho, Barundar FOS BrownBear I doubt that Palmar, DB, or sevryn are scum. None of them have made a very glaring scum post yet. DB’s mayor thing is retarded but it’s really not something a scum would do. Things may change in later days but currently there are much better lynch candidates out there. perfect. I have nothing to add. My vote stays on xtfftc - and I want to encourage you all to filter him and make your own toughts about his posts. regarding the severyncase, someone called my "defense" wishywashy; First of all, I wasn't defending him, I just explained that I can understand his thoughprocess. What I wanted to point out with that summary of his thoughtprocess is, that I think this could have happened to everyone. His action could either be explained with him being town wanting to get something going or by him being scum wanting to look useful. However I'll be there for the lynch to make sure someone gets lynched. I am fine with sevryn, but i'd prefer xtfftc | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On August 20 2011 17:20 Palmar wrote: I think it's kinda scummy to call out Curu on using fuck twice in the same sentence while you have this in your signature... "life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery" By the way, BrownBear is the person I want dead today. I'm not sure how to interpret what Foolishness is saying, but at least he's right. woah, woah, woah... BrownBear? I thought you wanted DropBear dead? | ||
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Vain
Netherlands1115 Posts
On August 20 2011 19:26 Pyo wrote: woah, woah, woah... BrownBear? I thought you wanted DropBear dead? I think he just doesn't like bears:\ | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On August 20 2011 19:26 Pyo wrote: woah, woah, woah... BrownBear? I thought you wanted DropBear dead? yeah, I changed my mind. | ||
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Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 20 2011 11:11 Palmar wrote: Anyone who thinks I'm promoting pro-mafia atmosphere needs to have his head checked. I took this thread and turned it from discussing vague plans and policies to a full-out scumhunting festival. No Palmar, I do not want to blame you excusivly , but look at what this thread is looking like right now. You want either DB or BB dead depending on who is disagreeing with you more (and I do not think either of them are completely certainly Scum) Other then that , right now basicly everyone seems to have their target but I am actually getting a bit scared that we will not get our shit together until the first night is there. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
BrownBear So, I decided to try a new tactic this game. Most towns spend day one arguing casually about policies and then lynch a scummy lurker. This is sometimes effective, sometimes kind of weird. This game I decided to just tear up the thread with some super-awesome tunneling on the first scummy fucker I found, and read responses by other people. There are two people who stick out to me as scummy from their reactions to my tunneling. Namely Sevryn and BrownBear. I feel more confident BrownBear is the scum of the two. There are quite a few things in BrownBear's logic that really scare me. First off, let's take a look at the post that initially raised my suspicions of him: On August 20 2011 03:35 BrownBear wrote: Posts like this make me sad. Put some effort into the game. Palmar/DropBear, I'm starting to believe at least one of you isn't, however this could just as easily be two townies chest-pounding day 1, at which point mafia just sits back and watches the fireworks as one or both get lynched, town wastes time, and they don't have to do jack shit. Point being, Palmar, we know you want us to lynch DropBear. DropBear, we know you want us to not lynch you. Arguing about it just takes up space. So, DropBear, if you want us to not lynch you, name someone who you think would be a better lynch target, and why. If no better alternative presents itself, I'll vote for you over a no-lynch, and you're the only person really with votes currently on you, so I highly recommend giving us some reasons why your neck should be spared. And Palmar... you keep making statements like "nard's totally setting me up he's scum" or "dropbear's scum lets investigate by lynching him" without ANY backup. "Your first post was a question to mods ppl know YOU MUST BE COVERING YOUR TRACKS OMG MAFIA" does not constitute evidence. If DropBear's gonna be active and making plans, I'm inclined to NOT lynch him day 1, because it means one less inactive jackass dragging us down. Plus, the more active he is, the sooner he'll slip up if he actually is scum. Of course, lynching is preferable to no-lynching in 99.99% of cases, so I'll vote for him in the end if nobody else comes forth. But I want to see a better case from you regardless. Finally, DB's plan: in a perfect world, it'd be great, but I don't think an unofficial mayor will have the power necessary to break ties of more than one vote. Also, how do we know this mayor will be pro-town? How do we know you are pro-town? How do we know if ANYONE'S pro-town at this point? We don't really, so I think an unofficial "mayor" will just serve to clog the thread further, will draw med-protects away from people who really need them like blues, and will end up not benefitting town in any major way. I immediately called him out on the scum logic in his posts. I pointed out that one wouldn't have to make a big stretch to understand the bolded sentence as a free pass to anyone who was being active in the thread. Which conveniently enough also clears BB of any suspicion. He also mentions the possibility of two townies just shouting at each other. The reason this jumps so much out to me is that I used exactly the same logic as scum on day 1 in SNMMII as scum. I pointed out that two loudmouths were probably just townies shouting at each other and then I suggested that the real threat are the inactive people. Deflecting lynches onto inactives is mafia's favorite way of playing day 1. BrownBear's defense of this, is that I'm twisting his words. But can anyone honestly says he understands the bolded sentence in any other way than BrownBear wants to kill off inactive people over people who are active, because the active people will reveal themselves as scum at some point. Next post, after demanding contribution from me: On August 20 2011 06:52 BrownBear wrote: I asked for something of substance and this is what I got? Oh, you. Ok, something you've pulled out of my reasoning that really just wasn't there. You're saying I want to lynch someone inactive. Not necessarily true. Implied, maybe, but NOT what I said. Again, you really need to stop putting words in people's mouths. What I said there, and what anyone who took 5 seconds to think rationally got out of that sentence before you started spewing shit all over it, is that regardless of what I think about DropBear's alignment (and for the record, I think he's more green than not. Scummy, possibly, but not confirmed scum), I want to see people post more. We're on only 17 pages halfway through the first day, which is kind of sad. I want more content. DropBear's providing it. I'm for lynching any of the semi-actives - that is, the people who are just contributing one liners and sheeping along to do the bare minimum to fly under the radar. Inactives = people who haven't noticed the game's started yet, people in different time zones who are sleeping, or people who don't care about the game. No reason wasting a vote on them - modkills will get them soon enough. The real area where mafia are probably lurking are the semi-actives - the guys who have posted a few times to be able to say "hey, I was here", but haven't contributed anything of substance or worth to the discussion. That doesn't include DropBear right now. At the very least, he's provoking discussion both about his silly fake-mayor plan, and about whether or not he's red. He's defending himself and providing some alternate ideas. (Although, DropBear, "I will do so if it becomes necessary"? Really? That's not doing you any favors, bro). Right now, my list of semi-actives include: wherebugsgo, hiro protagonist, Foolishness, and JeeJee (when you read his posts, they don't contribute nearly as much as they do ask questions that go unanswered). I'm open to adding more to that list tho. So let's start talking about those guys! JeeJee is the most suspicious to me right now: He's posted the most, but I see not all that much in his posts... it looks to me as though he's trying to post while not adding anything of value to town discussion. Just a gut feeling, but I still feel a lot better about lynching him than I do DropBear. Anyway, long story short: You read things out of my post that didn't exist, those things are the entire basis of your case against me, your case against me sucks, gg, try harder. ##Vote: JeeJee The first sentence is interesting. He makes a point that he did not say what I called him out for, yet he implied it? What's the difference? The mindset he's working in is the same. I ask that everyone reads the post above carefully, and preferably often. Look at what he's saying. He's basically throwing a one-line accusation towards JeeJee in an attempt to divert the discussion off himself and DropBear. The bolded sentence is another one of interest. I don't actually understand how he's going to scumhunt if he actively states that "mafia is amongst the semi-actives". Well sherlock, if you tell us that you're going for semi-active people, won't the mafia just stop being semi-active? And note that he himself is definitely not amongst the semi-actives, so he cannot be mafia, by his theory. This case against JeeJee is basically just a throw-away case, BB knows well enough that JeeJee is not going to get lynched based on this case, and he's happy to look like he's not supporting a town lynch while throwing an off-vote on some random "semi-active". On August 20 2011 09:55 BrownBear wrote: It's cute that you tell everyone I'm wrong without explaining exactly why I'm wrong. lern2backupyouraccusations Interesting that he calls out for other people to back up their accusations, yet your entire case against JeeJee is: So let's start talking about those guys! JeeJee is the most suspicious to me right now: He's posted the most, but I see not all that much in his posts... it looks to me as though he's trying to post while not adding anything of value to town discussion. Just a gut feeling, but I still feel a lot better about lynching him than I do DropBear. Re-read his posts. Look at them from the point of view he is scum, understand what motivations he might have for posting like this if he's town. I think we have a great lynch candidate here town. BrownBear is scum ##Vote BrownBear | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On August 20 2011 22:05 Erandorr wrote: No Palmar, I do not want to blame you excusivly , but look at what this thread is looking like right now. You want either DB or BB dead depending on who is disagreeing with you more (and I do not think either of them are completely certainly Scum) Other then that , right now basicly everyone seems to have their target but I am actually getting a bit scared that we will not get our shit together until the first night is there. no worries, we will. If you think I'm scum, vote for me, if not, go hunt scum instead of posting passively about your concerns for town safety. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On August 20 2011 18:05 Barundar wrote: Palmar, what exactly make you go from DB is scum to Brown Bear is scum? Seems like someone just disagreed with you and you decided to give up your case for another player to argue with. Combined it doesn't make your cases believable. Anybody that disagrees with Palmar is scum. And I'm really hoping your advice to not do PBP was a joke. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On August 20 2011 22:05 Erandorr wrote: No Palmar, I do not want to blame you excusivly , but look at what this thread is looking like right now. You want either DB or BB dead depending on who is disagreeing with you more (and I do not think either of them are completely certainly Scum) Other then that , right now basicly everyone seems to have their target but I am actually getting a bit scared that we will not get our shit together until the first night is there. Lucidity ghrur is now Barundar Jackal58 xtfftc hiro protagonist Erandorr darkponcho Vain chaoser GreYMisT nard Sevryn Pyo Kurumi DropBear these guys haven't voted yet. Since not all of you can possibly be scum, I encourage you to vote in the next 2-3 hours, so we can see who the maintargets are. It has been said many times before in this thread: A no lynch would be very bad. In order to have enough time to sort things out and discuss our maintargets: Go to vote! | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On August 20 2011 22:38 Jackal58 wrote: Anybody that disagrees with Palmar is scum. And I'm really hoping your advice to not do PBP was a joke. it's so obvious, yet people keep disagreeing with me. | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
Trotske-2 game related posts Lucidity-2 Maybe kinda sorta game related posts Jackal58-1 maybe 2 game related posts (this suprised me, more on it later) Hiro Protagonist-1 game related post Munk-E-1 (large) game related post Darkponcho-NOTHING Vain-2 game related posts Kurumi-No posts for 36+ hours Now this isn't here to try to redirect the conversation we seem to be doing well enough on our own, but the big thing I want noted is I couldn't even start to look for semi-lurkers for the list because there are so many people hardcore lurking right now, this is exactly what I want to avoid because if we keep getting nothing out of 8 people, late game we won't have anything close to a read on them and that's big trouble. Back to the current discussion I am still very suspicious of Palmer but that lynch doesn't look like it will happen, I'm voting xtfftc because for now quicksilver has convinced me but I definitely will be back in time for the lynch and to get a better judgement myself which leads me to We need to decide who our 2 main candidates are soon, if we don't have 2 options in time for everyone to vote based on that then we may well see a no-lynch, that is not good. Last, to palmar, you're suspicious of Brownbear for trying to deflect a lynch, that would naturally imply that the person he's deflecting the lynch from would also be scum, are you still convinced that DB is scum? | ||
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